Arsenal gain 5th point out of 30 against top five


By Boris Mellor
April 28 2013

Arsène Wenger believes it can be misleading to judge teams on the gap in points between them, well he would say that wouldn’t he as his team managed only it’s 5th point in top five of league games for the whole season on drawing with Man Utd. No doubt this dropping of 25 points against top opposition explains why the Gunners are limping towards the finishing line of the 4th place trophy.

No doubt Wenger believes that this gap in the points tally is hiding the real strength of his team, and that Podolski and Giroud do add up to a decent striker between them and that Gervinho is a great option to bring on to terrorise championship winning teams when the score is at 1-1.

All is deception

No doubt points totals also gives a deceptive impression of a full back that appears to have packed his suitcase already. No doubt the points tally made it appear that United barely broke into a sweat because they had the league in the bag, whilst the reality was that this was a real clash of titans with Arsenal boldly challenging the Manchester side.

The points tally also hides that it is Wenger who is the greatest manager in the league with his 3 league wins, not a man who has 13 titles, but has cheated by insisting on buying quality players when his club is in debt.

 Surely fans prefer watching mediocre journeymen who will never win anything rather than not see a healthy balance sheet. That 13 titles, numerous cups, and two CL trophies is not what counts, but 4th place and Financial Fair Play is what it’s all about.

Meanwhile down the pub we were discussing is it really worth renewing our season tickets to watch ground hog day again next season.

Battle of the balls

Syd the cabbie and me had a real change down at the greasy spoon, with Chicken Escalope on the specials. As we devoured our meal we both looked into our crystal balls, Syd saw them scoring first and the Arsenal scoring the next two. I saw Arsenal scoring first and chucking the lead away, but I thought I had blown it when it was 1-1 by half time, I couldn’t see it staying that way, but it did. United were looking worse for wear, and did not seem that bothered by a draw.

I was surprised at the number of club level seats unfilled as they usually fill up for “big games” but maybe the thought of watching the guard of honour was too much for some fans. The response to that was fair enough, some fans jeered, some clapped, and most just chanted Arsenal. There was no Poznan.

A minority sang the “She Said No Robin” song which was embarrassing, but I was told it didn’t happen down the Clock End, Rooney was serenaded by the fat granny lover song, which is probably fair comment. I am pleased to say that Rio was not singled out for any special treatment, except jeers for one or two industrial tackles.

Some fans were outraged that RvP didn’t celebrate his goal, but they would probably have been more outraged if he did. Then he outraged even more by applauding us at full-time.

Personally I am saving my outrage for an owner that has let his club degenerate to being out of contention for the league by November two years running, and that the field is left clear for the city of Manchester to take all our best players. “Stanley Kroenke he sells when he wants”.

Positives

Great tackle by Gibbs, steady match by Mertesacker and Koscielny, and a great save by Woj.

Negatives

Walcott made no impact after his goal, Podolski struggled up front, and Gervinho and Jack made no impact.

 

Arsenal 1 Manchester United 1

Walcott 2 minutes.  RvP penalty 44 minutes

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013:05:05:00:34:46 by Padre Pio.

PKGooner
28/04/2013 22:49
Quote:
I am pleased to say that Rio was not singled out for any special treatment


Why was he going to get singled out by us?

Gunners R Us
28/04/2013 22:58
whenever you heard the "she said no" chant it would only last for 3 seconds then it wiped out by "ARS-ENAL, ARS-ENAL"

Merlion96
29/04/2013 15:21
Let’s compare our performance against the Top-6 team after 35 no. league games played on Apr 27, 2013:
Arsenal 0 0 Everton
5pud2….. 3 1 Abu Dhabi City
Liverpool 2 2 Chelski
Arsenal 1 1 ManU

W … D … L ….. F ….. A … +/- __ Points
6 ….. 2 … 3 … 19 … 15 … 04 … … 20 … Manchester United
4 ….. 4 … 3 … 17 … 16 … 01 … … 17 … Abu Dhabi City
4 ….. 3 … 2 … 15 … 13 … 02 … … 15 … Chelski
4 ….. 2 … 5 … 21 … 24 … -3 … … 14 … 5pud2
4 ….. 5 … 2 … 14 … 12 … 02 … … 13 … Everton
2 ….. 5 … 5 … 16 … 17 … -1 … … 11 … Arsenal
1 ….. 6 … 4 … 17 … 20 … -3 … … 08 … Liverpool

Our dreadful results against Top-6 Team is one of the primary reasons why we are still out of Top-4 status. We only won TWO matches against Top-6!!!

A comparison of the Top-6 team against Bottom-13 teams with 34/35 games played on Apr 27, 2013:
Abu Dhabi City 2 1 WHU
Everton 1 0 Fulham
Newcastle 0 6 Liverpool
Wigan 2 2 5pud2
Chelski 2 0 Swansea

W … D … L ….. F ….. A … +/- __ Points
22 … 2 … 1 … 64 … 21 … 43 … … 70 … Manchester United
17 … 3 … 2 … 41 … 13 … 28 … … 54 … Abu Dhabi City
16 … 5 … 2 … 50 … 19 … 31 … … 53 … Arsenal
16 … 5 … 5 … 54 … 21 … 33 … … 53 … Chelski
14 … 6 … 3 … 39 … 19 … 20 … … 48 … 5pud2
14 … 6 … 4 … 53 … 18 … 35 … … 48 … Liverpool

ManU won the title on April 22, 2013 by beating Aston Villa 3-0 with a Van Persie hattrick.

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This is my latets computation:

We gain 11 points out of 36 points against the tradiitonal Top-6 in ManU, Abu Dhabi City, Chelski, 5pud2, Liverpool and Everton.

We beat only Liverpool and 10-man 5pud2 with special thanks to Adebayor.

Why we are Top-4 is that Chelski, 5pud2 and Liverpool are inconsistent and gone through managerial upheaval whereas we gone stagnant under Arsene Wenger without any improvement from 011/12 season.

We are Top-4, not because we deserve it but simply Chelski, Liverpool, 5pud2 and even Everton are inconsistent, and we got plenty of assists from Lady Luck.

Pity, as we are just short of 1 or 2 quality signings in a striker and goalie during last summer to snatch 2nd spot from an underwhelmed and inconsistent ABu DHabi City.

SImply that Szczesny costed us some valuable points thru' his inconsistency and slump after Eruo2012.

COntrast to Szczesny past few months horrendous performance to that of his last 2 games where we saw a potential worldclass goalie.

hippogunner
30/04/2013 09:35
Which top 5? We're in the top five so how did we defeat ourselves? The maths seem odd.

Padre Pio
30/04/2013 14:32
well if you include Everton the number of points increases to 7 out of 30 which is still s.hite.
I took the figures from Sky so should have checked them, but it really doesnt make much difference it is a very poor state of affairs

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Merlion96
02/05/2013 00:30
It is always best to base on the traditional Top-4, plus intense local derbies like Arsenal vs 5pud2, Liverpool vs Everton and ManU vs ManC.

Hence, my table of Top-7 like:
1 - ManU
2 - Abu Dhabi City
3 - Chelski
4 - Arsenal
5 - 5pud2
6 - Everton
7 - Liverpool

From my Tables, you can see that Everton is on-par with Top-4, garnering 4 wins in contrast to Arsenal 2 wins and Liverpool 1 wins (or at best 2 wins if they beat Everton).

weedz
03/05/2013 11:06
Interestenly, of the points gained in the London derbies, so far this season, we are 2nd, with 16 points, 1 point behind Chelski.

QPR are last on the list, with just 9.

I was going to write `so far.` at the end of that last sentence, but phuck that.

Since the end of WW1, 1919, when the FA restarted its 4 tier football league, with Arsenal fc in the 1st div, there’s only ever been one club to have never been relegated from Div 1/ EPL.

Arsenal fc

Let’s keep making history

Padre Pio
03/05/2013 11:30
yes and chelsea beat us twice and spurs once.

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

eduardo
03/05/2013 15:52
chelsea only team to do double over Arsenal this season

*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

RadioFreeArsenal
03/05/2013 20:24
True Eddy but do those draws matter if they mean you finish 20 points off the pace.

Draws largely don't have much more effect than defeats to top teams. Like in 2002 at Old Trafford. The moment Sylvain Wiltord scored it was all over because they weren't going to get two goals and one goal for them after that was meaningless other than as a matter of pride maybe.

I have never sat back and relaxed on a one-goal lead aginst theose c***s like I did and could that night. Don't get me wrong I desperately wanted the win to drive the spear deeper into their hearts but I knew that if we didn't get it it meant nothing to finish 1-1 but that we were Champions anyway.

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