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if we all get sucked in by how awesome barca played then we shouldn't consider the points you made..but looking at it over and over again without bias, i have come to the point that what you pointed out was probably wengers plan until the ref's decided to become the talking point.

the fact that they got no card after abidal grabbed rvp's throat is sickening..charging nasri & wenger is the most hypocritical thing i've ever heard and confirms what we all knew;THE SUN SHINES OUT OF BARCA BUTT FOR UEFA..THEY CERTAINLY DIDN'T WANT ANY TEAM TO SPOIL THEIR APPLE CART ESPECIALLY WHEN ARSENAL STUNNED THEN AT THE EMIRATES.

but we should have won our group to avoid this..

all your points are valid and i'm sure thats why wenger is incensed by that decision

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I agree with you Padre.

While there is no doubt that Barca were very impressive and played "better" than us, the fact is that the sending off changed the game and made our task impossible, just at the moment that the momentum had turned our way with an equaliser and our first breakaway attack.

We will never know if we would have won or not with 11 men, but we had a chance to do the same as in the first leg and "win ugly" despite the possession stats - what everyone keeps saying we need to do. Remember in the first half Barca had just two shots on target.

The referee was appalling throughout - actually he should have awarded Barca a penalty in the first half after Diaby's foul, in addition to failing to award any cards against Barca players for some of their cynical fouls.

Maybe, just maybe, if the psychological damage is not too severe, this will turn out to be a blessing in disguise as we face one not two games a week for the final 9 weeks of the campaign. But I fear it may demoralise the players and out season peter out again.

spot on mate.it made me die how barcelona huffed and puffed for an hour only scoring once through a mistake by us and are lauded.yet when we do it at home 'we cant break the opposition down'

It will be interesting to see how the team respond during our remaining games. Even if it goes belly up in the FAC on Saturday, we will have a golden chance with only the PL remaining. For once I hope they get a grip, keep their heads up and grasp a fantastic opportunity. I appreciate that we are a confidence team, but AW now has the chance to earn his big wages and show everyone that he really can manage this team. Otherwise the pressure will be immense after he foolishly stated that we were going for all 4 trophies. Wish he would just keep quiet sometimes..

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if we all get sucked in by how awesome barca played then we shouldn't consider the points you made..but looking at it over and over again without bias, i have come to the point that what you pointed out was probably wengers plan until the ref's decided to become the talking point.
the fact that they got no card after abidal grabbed rvp's throat is sickening..charging nasri & wenger is the most hypocritical thing i've ever heard and confirms what we all knew;THE SUN SHINES OUT OF BARCA BUTT FOR UEFA..THEY CERTAINLY DIDN'T WANT ANY TEAM TO SPOIL THEIR APPLE CART ESPECIALLY WHEN ARSENAL STUNNED THEN AT THE EMIRATES.

but we should have won our group to avoid this..

all your points are valid and i'm sure thats why wenger is incensed by that decision

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but we should have won our group to avoid this..

thats assuming all the other scores go the same way...I always say this..if you change our outcome so does everything else..butterfly effect

and what difference does it make when we meet Barca..quarters,semis all the same to me


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Busacca should have put on the Barca shirt. Should blend in perfectly.

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but we should have won our group to avoid this..

thats assuming all the other scores go the same way...I always say this..if you change our outcome so does everything else..butterfly effect

and what difference does it make when we meet Barca..quarters,semis all the same to me

Erm, if we'd met them in the final we'd only have played 90 minutes against them - which as we've all seen, is winnable!!

"Just when the momentum was swinging our way" - what a patronizing comment. Everything arsenal did in that game was well-planned. We were in absolute control of the situation and was ahead most of the game. Momentum wasnt SWINGING our way, we made our own momentum - we were beginning to carryout our plan b before the redcard. The organization at the back in the first half was the best i've ever seen frm an arsenal team. I'm proud of our performance.

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"Just when the momentum was swinging our way" - what a patronizing comment. Everything arsenal did in that game was well-planned. We were in absolute control of the situation and was ahead most of the game. Momentum wasnt SWINGING our way, we made our own momentum - we were beginning to carryout our plan b before the redcard. The organization at the back in the first half was the best i've ever seen frm an arsenal team. I'm proud of our performance.

Seriously De Times you ought to go watch tiddley-winks, you'd understand it better.

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Yeah, he didn't hear both whistles! While other players did!

Just like he didn't hear Busaccas and the other players did!

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"Just when the momentum was swinging our way" - what a patronizing comment. Everything arsenal did in that game was well-planned. We were in absolute control of the situation and was ahead most of the game. Momentum wasnt SWINGING our way, we made our own momentum - we were beginning to carryout our plan b before the redcard. The organization at the back in the first half was the best i've ever seen frm an arsenal team. I'm proud of our performance.

I disagree, the momentum did go our way a bit, who the f@ck wants to give Barca a lot of the ball. Even if the plan was to defend first it wasn't to soak up that much pressure.

Theodore roosevelt - In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

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Yeah, he didn't hear both whistles! While other players did!

Just like he didn't hear Busaccas and the other players did!

still not worth a yellow as the World cup ref showed clearly.

Theodore roosevelt - In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

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Yeah, he didn't hear both whistles! While other players did!

Just like he didn't hear Busaccas and the other players did!

still not worth a yellow as the World cup ref showed clearly.

We all know Howard Web's peformance in that game was awful! Howard Web was a bottler in that match! He bottled sending off De Jong for his karate kick! He bottled giving RVP his second yellow card for shooting after he clearly heard both whistles!

A stricter referee would have sent off De Jong and RVP. A stricter Ref DID send off a petulant RVP in Camp Nou!



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Yeah, he didn't hear both whistles! While other players did!

Just like he didn't hear Busaccas and the other players did!

still not worth a yellow as the World cup ref showed clearly.

We all know Howard Web's peformance in that game was awful! Howard Web was a bottler in that match! He bottled sending off De Jong for his karate kick! He bottled giving RVP his second yellow card for shooting after he clearly heard both whistles!

A stricter referee would have sent off De Jong and RVP. A stricter Ref DID send off a petulant RVP in Camp Nou!

but not abidal

Theodore roosevelt - In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

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Yeah, he didn't hear both whistles! While other players did!

Just like he didn't hear Busaccas and the other players did!

still not worth a yellow as the World cup ref showed clearly.

We all know Howard Web's peformance in that game was awful! Howard Web was a bottler in that match! He bottled sending off De Jong for his karate kick! He bottled giving RVP his second yellow card for shooting after he clearly heard both whistles!

A stricter referee would have sent off De Jong and RVP. A stricter Ref DID send off a petulant RVP in Camp Nou!

but not abidal

Abidal should have been booked and could very well have been sent off! I'm not hiding from that fact! Besides we don't know what RVP said/did to wind him up so much that he grabbed him in the first place, and RVP was already on the referees last nerve for b!tch slapping alves in the face, which could easily have been a red and also deliberatley trying to injure Messi! Not to mention the time wasting that the referee had noticed was going on from Arsenal previous to the Red Card. I'm not hiding from the fact Abidal was lucky not to be booked! But you should also not hide from the facts that I have mentioned! Do they all fit into your Pro-Barcelona, anti-arsenal bias of the referee?

2 penalties not given to Barca in 1st leg, djouro/arshavin handballs

Messi legitimate goal was disallowed 1st leg

Alex Song should have been sent off and given his 2nd yellow twice in the first leg

Stonewall penalty not given in 2nd leg

Koscielny not given 2nd yellow

RVP not booked for disgustingly trying to injure Messi

Wilshere not booked for disgusting challenge with his studs up on Iniesta!

And also the fact that in the WC final, RVP has done the exact same thing after whistle was blown! Blown twice no less, and he was already on a yellow card! He did it thinking i'm already on a yellow, the ref won't dare give me a 2nd for such a thing. Especially after what De Jong got a way with under Howard Webbs watch!



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This from a supporter of the club that has a convicted thug in its team.

Andy cole, since you have time to dig out RVP videos of kicking the ball away, why don't you dig out videos of Barca play acting, feigning injuries and those fouls they got away with.

zombies never mind andy looking up barca clips, why not barton clips, that would fill a vault with all his dirty nasty antics over the years

That would be good too.

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Yeah, he didn't hear both whistles! While other players did!

Just like he didn't hear Busaccas and the other players did!

still not worth a yellow as the World cup ref showed clearly.

We all know Howard Web's peformance in that game was awful! Howard Web was a bottler in that match! He bottled sending off De Jong for his karate kick! He bottled giving RVP his second yellow card for shooting after he clearly heard both whistles!

A stricter referee would have sent off De Jong and RVP. A stricter Ref DID send off a petulant RVP in Camp Nou!

but not abidal

Abidal should have been booked and could very well have been sent off! I'm not hiding from that fact!

So shuddupaya face

Besides we don't know what RVP said/did to wind him up so much that he grabbed him in the first place, and RVP was already on the referees last nerve for b!tch slapping alves in the face, which could easily have been a red and also deliberatley trying to injure Messi! Not to mention the time wasting that the referee had noticed was going on from Arsenal previous to the Red Card. I'm not hiding from the fact Abidal was lucky not to be booked! But you should also not hide from the facts that I have mentioned! Do they all fit into your Pro-Barcelona, anti-arsenal bias of the referee?

2 penalties not given to Barca in 1st leg, djouro/arshavin handballs

Messi legitimate goal was disallowed 1st leg

Alex Song should have been sent off and given his 2nd yellow twice in the first leg

Stonewall penalty not given in 2nd leg

Koscielny not given 2nd yellow

RVP not booked for disgustingly trying to injure Messi

Wilshere not booked for disgusting challenge with his studs up on Iniesta!

And also the fact that in the WC final, RVP has done the exact same thing after whistle was blown! Blown twice no less, and he was already on a yellow card! He did it thinking i'm already on a yellow, the ref won't dare give me a 2nd for such a thing. Especially after what De Jong got a way with under Howard Webbs watch!

everything else you've put, who gives a f&ck, they won, the game's over, let not go through every tackle.freekick, throw in, corner, header, Arsenal or Barca should have had, we just wanted to finish the game with 11 on the pitch for a reason better than a shot after the whistle at 60mins, they made a better account of themselves on a whole and deserved to win.You seem to think having RvP on would have guaranteed the win and it would've been an injustice if we finished with all our players

Theodore roosevelt - In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.