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Hughton & Clark Give Their Views on NUFC v HTFC
By Tyne-Talk
August 27 2009
Newcastle United caretaker manager and Lee Clark, Huddersfield manager have both given their views on last night's 2nd round Carling Cup game, which saw Newcastle go through to the 3rd round in a 4-3 thriller.
Hughton told The Northern Echo;
"You aren't to read anything into the fact that I rested Steven and Fabricio. Absolutely not. Both will be available for Monday's game, for sure, There is never a dull moment.
The neutrals will have thoroughly enjoyed tonight and the Newcastle supporters even more because we were able to come out on top in the end.
It goes down as a typical cup tie but I was pleased that we came out winners because I thought we were worthy of the victory."
He gave credit to Huddersfield;
"Testament to Huddersfield, they pushed us to the limit and we didn't expect anything else. They gave us a tough game and we felt that if we were going to beat them we had to bring on that little bit of experience and quality.
But it does emphasise that we have a good squad but if we are to have any injuries then we are stretched.
We are hopeful the lads who've picked up knocks are going to be OK. Shola has turned his ankle and to be fair to him he came straight off the pitch when he felt it so hopefully that has minimised any damage.
Jonas felt his hamstring again but we're hopeful that it is not a pull. We will assess them in the morning.
The extra couple of days we have to prepare for our next game will help because we need all of the players fit.
We played some of the younger lads like Kadar, LuaLua and Ranger and I asked Danny Simpson to slot in at centre-half which isn't his normal position.
So at least those lads have gained more experience which will stand them in good stead for the rest of the season because we need them and they were key to us getting the win tonight."
Huddersfield Town manager Lee Clark, felt that Shola Ameobi's appearance in the 2nd half changed the game, he said;
"I thought we were the better side in the first half and until Shola came on I felt it was going to be our night, But he added something to their attack that had been lacking - a more physical presence and, with Gutirrerez on the wing, they looked a different prospect.
But you could see in the first half with some of the young lads that Chris doesn't have too many numbers to call on and they just can't afford to let any more leave the club."
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Agreed and I hope this points out to some fans that unfortunatly we cannot count on just youth players all season we need to hang on to some of our more expensive and higher earners to have any chance of promotion back to the prem which should be our goal.
We should not be happy or accepting that anyone on over 20k a week is no good for the club as it is these types of players who if play to their potential give us NUFC the potential of an instant return to the prem which would in turn be better for our club.
If anyone feels that a season in the championship, selling all the players, playing the youth team, then looking at promotion next season round is going to be any better than they are wrong. Everything would be ten times worse if we didnt get promotion this year.
That has to be our goal, otherwise we will be in serious danger of doing a Leeds Utd.
Rant over.
We should not be happy or accepting that anyone on over 20k a week is no good for the club as it is these types of players who if play to their potential give us NUFC the potential of an instant return to the prem which would in turn be better for our club.
If anyone feels that a season in the championship, selling all the players, playing the youth team, then looking at promotion next season round is going to be any better than they are wrong. Everything would be ten times worse if we didnt get promotion this year.
That has to be our goal, otherwise we will be in serious danger of doing a Leeds Utd.
Rant over.
I agree with you completely Andrewthemag - its all very well clearing debt for a new owner but clearing debt at the expense of a shot at promotion isn't sensible business.
is a shot at promotion worth risking administration? not for me. long term thinking is required, something we have missed forever it seems.
get the club out of immediate danger, then plan for the future. if that means more than one year in this division, so be it. for sure, we need to avoid another relegation, but the long term future comes before promotion this year
get the club out of immediate danger, then plan for the future. if that means more than one year in this division, so be it. for sure, we need to avoid another relegation, but the long term future comes before promotion this year
dont agree lmk we need to go straight back up with are wage bill and debt its make more sense to get back in the top flight and get back that top flight tv money if we stay here for another season all the big players will be long gone leaving us a squad not capable of the playoffs unless we made 6 or 7 great players and got them all to gel and settle in their first year and its only a massive slice of luck that would make that happen
i think that is the kind of reasoning that got leeds further into trouble. chasing losses, rather than stripping down and rebuilding the whole business model. great if it works, but a recipe for disaster if we continue to outspend our income and stay down here. thta is clearly what barclays are concerned about, hence the endless delays.
i'm all for an assault on the promotion race, but if its half-hearted its too dangerous. one loan signing is at best half hearted.
i'm all for an assault on the promotion race, but if its half-hearted its too dangerous. one loan signing is at best half hearted.
What happens if we keep the players we have, bring in a couple of loan players that are needed and we don't get promoted, we are totally f@ck#d. It is great chasing the dream but it is not always the big teams that can get out of this division. I am in full agreement with LMK lets get the club as financally sound as we can and if we miss out then fair enough but you never know we might still stand a chance. If we missed out this season then next year we will be relegated unless we got taken over by somebody that had sh@t loads. Play safe and keep the club going, if not we are going to be like Leeds
There's a compromise to be reached, guys, I really think there is. It's a tightrope walk, to be sure, but some more players will have to go (S. Taylor? Nolan? Jonas? Enrique?), and we'll have to hope from good performances from journeymen (R. Taylor, Shola, Guthrie), kids (Ranger, Lua Lua), cheap loans (Simpson, hopefully more to come...) and hopefully a couple of free agent signings. I do think that if we don't get out of the CCC this season we'll be here for a while, which will dictate a complete reset of the clubs finances, structure and ambitions-but not the sort of rebuilding we're hoping to see.
Oh, and I wish I could read something into Colo's being rested...
Oh, and I wish I could read something into Colo's being rested...
the drop in income due to being in this div is huge. similarly huge is the drop in expenditure between the way the club was run over the last few years (mainly due to ffs, but not well enough remedied by fma) and the way the club could properly be run. we were spending stoopid amounts on wages, if we run those deals down and sell what we can, that will change. we then spend what we can afford, instead. that will allow us to be one of the richest clubs in the championship, on fanbase and interest in the club. that would become our edge, and we could rebuild from there. maybe...
yes it does make sense but how long are we wanting to stay in the ccc ? all i mean is we have waited for long enough for a trophy a major 1 that is. i don't see one coming in the ccc and we need to be in the top flight to bring in players good enough to win things a league cup would do!!! and i would like this to happen sometime in the next 5 years cos if not i aint sure my heart could take much more misery
aye, senyab, but we need a safety net, cos we are already in trouble. that shouldnt mean a long wait, just running down the expensive deals, paying for the mistakes/ambition* of the last few years, then starting fresh. going gung-ho right now, spending all we can beg borrow and steal, is too risky mate
(*delete according to opinion)
(*delete according to opinion)
Fanbase and interest in the club will decline with each season in the CCC. Hate to admit it, but it's true. The international branding will certainly dry up when a few seasons pass in which supporters in the North and Latin America and Asia can't watch the games on TV. Plus, when those contracts run down, we'll have to replace them either from within-not a realistic option at the moment-or we'll have to try to draw them in despite our deflated appeal.
At the moment despite all the sales of players we have £0 to spend thats how I see it until a new owner with a decent head and a decent wedge behind them come in. Loan signings are fine however they still cost cash and at the end of it you dont have a saleable asset. Free transfers are an option but seriously 36/38 whatever age over the hill mercinarys are no good and would drag us down further ie sol, lovenkrands is someone I WOULD sign so there is a balancing act and some very careful scouting to be done. If we dont get promotion this season we will get trapped in this division for a long time, which would increase the pressure on the clubs debt even more.
Now Iam not saying release 5Million or somthing to spend on transfers or loans etc. Use this money to keep the squad as complete as possible to give us the maximum chance of gain promotion, yes one or two more may have to go but only one or two we cant afford to lose anymore. Players like Nolan, Gutierez, Guthrie, S Taylor, R Taylor, Ameobi, Enrique all need to be kept to have any chance of promotion look how well these players are currently playing. The team on the pitch is playing some decent stuff so lets keep hold of the positve things in the club. Yes their on good wages but its now their time to reallly work for it and show they are worth it.
Now Iam not saying release 5Million or somthing to spend on transfers or loans etc. Use this money to keep the squad as complete as possible to give us the maximum chance of gain promotion, yes one or two more may have to go but only one or two we cant afford to lose anymore. Players like Nolan, Gutierez, Guthrie, S Taylor, R Taylor, Ameobi, Enrique all need to be kept to have any chance of promotion look how well these players are currently playing. The team on the pitch is playing some decent stuff so lets keep hold of the positve things in the club. Yes their on good wages but its now their time to reallly work for it and show they are worth it.
what i'm getting at is levelling the playing field. we are competing with cardiff, west brom, whichever other names you choose to mention in this div. none of them could compare given an even start, but we are fighting with two arms and one leg tied behind our back! get the debt sorted, get the expenses in line, then see who wants to play for who!
couldnt disagree more that we will fall away tunyc, we werent conjured out of the north sea fog in 1992, we have been and always will be one of the biggest POTENTIAL draws in the english game. the match day crowd may ebb and flow with performance, but not as much as you may think, and an extra year or two wont make any odds. our previously half empty 36000 capacity ground had lock outs within months of almost going out of business when we started punching our weight, that can and will be restarted when the club shakes off the weights hanging from its neck. those crowds didnt prompt the regrowth, they quickly responded to it. would happen again.
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couldnt disagree more that we will fall away tunyc, we werent conjured out of the north sea fog in 1992, we have been and always will be one of the biggest POTENTIAL draws in the english game. the match day crowd may ebb and flow with performance, but not as much as you may think, and an extra year or two wont make any odds. our previously half empty 36000 capacity ground had lock outs within months of almost going out of business when we started punching our weight, that can and will be restarted when the club shakes off the weights hanging from its neck. those crowds didnt prompt the regrowth, they quickly responded to it. would happen again.
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couldnt disagree more that we will fall away tunyc, we werent conjured out of the north sea fog in 1992, we have been and always will be one of the biggest POTENTIAL draws in the english game. the match day crowd may ebb and flow with performance, but not as much as you may think, and an extra year or two wont make any odds. our previously half empty 36000 capacity ground had lock outs within months of almost going out of business when we started punching our weight, that can and will be restarted when the club shakes off the weights hanging from its neck. those crowds didnt prompt the regrowth, they quickly responded to it. would happen again.
LMK, you're taking Tunyc's point about falling away from a local person's point of view. Tunyc, Becks, Wasim, I, and many others are not even living in the same country. Without the television exposure offered by the Premiere League the only foreign fans Newcastle will have left are the ones that were already exposed in the mid 1990s or early 2000s. We don't even get internet videos Championship highlights stateside because BBC and Sky aren't allowed to distribute them outside of the UK. I'm forced to go track down things on Youtube which get deleted within an hour of uploading.
and, respectfully, you arent as important as the far flung fans of man utd or liverpool et al, who have a financial input to those clubs through megamarket themed shops in 5 continents. in our clubs position, it is a good thing to have the potential to exploit global markets, but if everyone is relying on youtube (and in the main fake merch) there is no actual gain for the club, is there?
we have no broadcast tv channel to gather revenue, and the clubs own website is completely amateur, so there is no harvest in this rich field of potential income.
i sincerely hope you dont have the impression that charlton athletic, or whoever, could replace newcastle united waffles, as that simply isnt the case. without newcastle, some other club will assume our league position, but they will have their own identity and their own potential.
i hope this doesnt sound dismissive, i'm only suggesting that nufc have so far failed to tap a market that could be important, not that it isnt important to begin with.
there will be some level of setback if we spend a longer period outside of the global gaze, but you can surely tell from the amount of media content generated by our club in the bad times that we would quickly be restored to a high profile once we were able to compete on the pitch again.
we have no broadcast tv channel to gather revenue, and the clubs own website is completely amateur, so there is no harvest in this rich field of potential income.
i sincerely hope you dont have the impression that charlton athletic, or whoever, could replace newcastle united waffles, as that simply isnt the case. without newcastle, some other club will assume our league position, but they will have their own identity and their own potential.
i hope this doesnt sound dismissive, i'm only suggesting that nufc have so far failed to tap a market that could be important, not that it isnt important to begin with.
there will be some level of setback if we spend a longer period outside of the global gaze, but you can surely tell from the amount of media content generated by our club in the bad times that we would quickly be restored to a high profile once we were able to compete on the pitch again.
Your point is legitimate, the local fans will always be the most important; however, I think you underestimate the foreign market's contribution. No, Wolverhampton is not going to overtake Newcastle in the foreign market in just one year, but a prolonged stay out of the Premier League means that you have completely lost any Foreign Market as Fox Sports/ESPN will not cover the lower leagues. USA, Australia, South Africa, China, Japan, Korea all look at the Premier League first.
At the very least, we provide another source to buy replica kits, of which Newcastle is probably the 5th largest seller in the United States. There's a large Newcastle contingent in the United States right now because of 16 years in the Premiere League and various spurts of European football. Aston Villa and Everton will slowly take hold of the favorite non-big four market, which Newcastle had cornered, as the sport constantly rises in popularity here.
Do we need to go back up this year? No, I would be okay with a stay of a year or two to get the entire organization into shape. Financially, it's important that Newcastle holds onto as many foreign fans as they can. In order to do that, the time Championship cannot last more than two to three years, because the gap between the top 4 teams in England and the rest of the clubs is constantly widening. Even the divide between the 5-8 teams and the rest is slowly becoming more and more pronounced.
At the very least, we provide another source to buy replica kits, of which Newcastle is probably the 5th largest seller in the United States. There's a large Newcastle contingent in the United States right now because of 16 years in the Premiere League and various spurts of European football. Aston Villa and Everton will slowly take hold of the favorite non-big four market, which Newcastle had cornered, as the sport constantly rises in popularity here.
Do we need to go back up this year? No, I would be okay with a stay of a year or two to get the entire organization into shape. Financially, it's important that Newcastle holds onto as many foreign fans as they can. In order to do that, the time Championship cannot last more than two to three years, because the gap between the top 4 teams in England and the rest of the clubs is constantly widening. Even the divide between the 5-8 teams and the rest is slowly becoming more and more pronounced.
If Newcastle were serious about being successful long term, then they need to sort out the finanaces first, get rid of the big money players and get in replacements to still challange this year, but us to be in a position where if we didn't go up we can plan properly next year as financially we are sound.
The global market is massive, and if anybody thinks when it comes to shirt sales that just going locally is the answer, there wrong. Look at Man U, 95% of there fans have never been to Old Tafford, how much do they get financially of the foriegn market, sh@t loads. Why do you think that clubs like Man U, Chelsea, City and the others go on big tours during pre-season to these other countries, it may be a for a bit match practice but firstly because of the cash.
We need to get into this position, but the club needs to be sorted out first, getting the club money sorted, bringing in people behind the scenes to fully explore this, getting on tours around in different countries once back in the premiership.
The view that Senyab had about winning something within 5 years is taking on the instant success view and throwing cash at things, I want to win things but lets not go down that road, it been proven over the years with us by trying we have still failed to deliver. Lets say we go for it, fail and stay in this league next season, we can't keep running the club, we will go in administration. It will take more than 5 years to win the league cup then. For once play a bit safe and build for the long term
The global market is massive, and if anybody thinks when it comes to shirt sales that just going locally is the answer, there wrong. Look at Man U, 95% of there fans have never been to Old Tafford, how much do they get financially of the foriegn market, sh@t loads. Why do you think that clubs like Man U, Chelsea, City and the others go on big tours during pre-season to these other countries, it may be a for a bit match practice but firstly because of the cash.
We need to get into this position, but the club needs to be sorted out first, getting the club money sorted, bringing in people behind the scenes to fully explore this, getting on tours around in different countries once back in the premiership.
The view that Senyab had about winning something within 5 years is taking on the instant success view and throwing cash at things, I want to win things but lets not go down that road, it been proven over the years with us by trying we have still failed to deliver. Lets say we go for it, fail and stay in this league next season, we can't keep running the club, we will go in administration. It will take more than 5 years to win the league cup then. For once play a bit safe and build for the long term
i dont think we'll ever compete with man utd as a global attraction, not by a long way. that club transcends football and make money through celebrity worldwide. when/if our clubs are ever allowed to charge for internet streaming rights for their own matches man utd will make ten times as much as the second placed team. that should be the goal though, to see how far we can go, aiming for the stars and all that.
the global market will come to us if we get it right at home (but that sounds effing crazy as i right it, we are so far away and headed in the wrong direction!). an important factor would be the ex-pats, who would provide a foothold and a visible presence wherever premier league football is popular. far better to return to the prem fit and healthy, ready to make a splash, than still suffering our current hangover caused by binge buying of overrated @#$%&
the global market will come to us if we get it right at home (but that sounds effing crazy as i right it, we are so far away and headed in the wrong direction!). an important factor would be the ex-pats, who would provide a foothold and a visible presence wherever premier league football is popular. far better to return to the prem fit and healthy, ready to make a splash, than still suffering our current hangover caused by binge buying of overrated @#$%&
Each season spent in the CCC limits the club's longterm ambitions-in terms of global and even domestic/European branding and that will limit the club's ability to make money and that will dictate that we don't compete on the pitch with the Liverpools and Manchester Uniteds of the league. That's the reality; we've already seen it with Leeds, Forest, Southampton, Palace, etc.-all formerly influential, competitive top flight clubs. Do you think any of them will compete for honors any time soon?
Your right that we are never going to compete with Man U for global success, but what I was pointing out the money they make from non Manchester born supporters, we should be going down this line. I fully agree every season spent in the championship is going to effect this but going hell for leather over spending to get yourself up and fail will defo turn us into Leeds. If the club could get the wage bill sorted and at a level we could afford then if we didn't come up then financially it is not the end of the world and we would have less chance of turning into leeds
there is no point being promoted if we havent sorted the problems which got us relegated in the first place. if we go up before we are ready, and go down again, it will be more damaging as we will be seen as at best a yoyo outfit, and any of the young kids we have so much hope invested in would be whipped away by the big boys if they showed any class in our NEXT relegation season
LMK is right we have to sort out the problems that got us in this mess, a lot were there before Ashley came, even though he has added sh@t loads more. Build the squad so we can compete, as we are never going to have the finances to compete with Chelsea, Man U and City when it comes to trasfers
If we spend more than two seasons in this division, we'll permanently be a yo-yo club. Or worse.
i dont see it that way. we arent going to have a crack at the prem title any time soon without unrealsitic investment. if we go up without getting out of debt, or close to it, we'll be going up to make up the numbers. if we are to make the most of what we have, and give ouirselves a chance to build, we will need to be able to survive tough times in the prem, which means being financially resilient. it would all fall apart again if we went up without the money to push on.
LMK is right unless we get taken over by somebody like the City board, who will pay the debt off, buy all the players with their cash rather than lend of the bank and I don't think it will happen
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