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Time for Wenger To Call It a Day ? PART 2


But I enjoyed the chances

By Celine Dion
November 10 2010

And for those of you that can’t stomach a dig at the board of directors, because some of you seem to think of them as your dad, or at the very least a dear, trusted relative,  they aren’t some plucky small time co-operative somehow rallying against the forces of multinational capitalism. They are DIAMOND traders, among other things. And if they gave a f*Ck about you, then they wouldn’t have built a great big football ground with more expensive seats than cheap ones.

They have tamed the crowd

Clever f**kers too. And let me tell you why. Directly or indirectly these people have manoeuvred the club and the fans exactly where they want them. Firstly they have practically re-engineered the entire demographic of Arsenal fans inside the ground. As I mention, the polite mild mannered persona of Arsenal fans on the radio phone-ins is not an accident, it is a design.

Under the fortuitous umbrella of the Taylor report, the Premiership’s boom in popularity, the PC drive for ‘family football’ and London’s status as a boom city, that’s what your average Emirates going fan is nowadays. A middle manager, at the very least. Someone who can take the rough with the smooth, can see the ‘bigger financial picture’. Or a well off mother with children. Or someone slightly poorer who has gone there for a special treat, and is prepared to swallow whatever sh*te is put in front of them, because they don’t know any better, and have livened up their day with a £150 bag of polyester merchandise.

The old North Bank wouldn’t have stood for defeats against West Brom and Newcastle. The old North Bank spent six months absolutely LAYING INTO Lee Dixon when we had just won the championship having only conceded 18 goals in a season. It’s no co-incidence that the only song the modern fans will ever sing is the one that goes ‘There’s’ one Arsene Wenger’.

 I often ask myself how bad things would have to get before a group of supporters dared speak out against Wenger. With a song, or something. And what would happen if they did. I think they would get lynched, personally. But I tell you what, if you see a fat bald man getting lynched in the Clock End lower any time soon, you will know I tried it.

 I’m sorry to say, but large pockets of the Emirates are full of Wenger-drones. Because the Emirates, is of course, the holy temple of Arsene Wenger. He built it practically with his bare hands, like he built a CHURCH in the BIBLE or something.  It’s all rather a clever plan isn’t it, if you are the board of directors of a large football club who doesn’t particularly want to spend a lot of money on players.

Establish a ‘Wenger brand’, and sustain it for as long as you possibly can spin it out, knowing the man will provide the illusion of building some messiah-like master plan just long enough to keep people coming into the ground. Like some mad Granddad inventor who has been building something in the garage for the past five years, with lots of hammering and banging. Only one day, when you stick your head through the door, there’s absolutely f*ck all in there.

And anyway against the backdrop of crazy Russians and mad Arabs, which you should make sure you mention at every turn, what’s the point of a board spending much anyway? Arsenal are the club that does things the DECENT way. Like charging fans 50 pound to watch a night game in the lower tier against Manchester City. Paper over the cracks by BOMBARDING the fans with imagery of Thierry Henry and Bergkamp every time they so much as go for a p*ss in one of the luxury toilets. Subconsciously, the drones will remain content in the certainty that Bendnter is only a year or two away from becoming the next Bergkamp, and Vela the next Henry.

Finally, establish a surreptitious code whereby to criticise Wenger is to criticise the very fabric of Arsenal itself. And hey presto sit back and continue to light cigars with rolled up fifty pound notes. I don’t know how they’ve done it, but f*ck me, they’ve done it. This isn’t football any more, its bl**dy ‘’Nineteen Eighty Four”.

I don’t even know if I can be bothered to go through Arsenals’ deficiencies nowadays, because we all know them. Again, the Wenger brand is still powerful enough to persuade plenty of people that Koscielny is the next Franz Beckenbauer. We are desperate to excuse the shortcomings of Wengers’ purchases – Chamakh is a great ‘hold up player’.

Never mind that he appears unlikely to score more than about 10 goals all season. Who needs goals, when you’ve got fast, incisive football! Wenger still continues to give interviews on the potential of Robin Van Shergar with an entirely straight face. Suddenly Jack Wilshere is indispensable to the team and there’s people saying ‘if only we had six Wilsheres’. Now don’t get me wrong Wilshere is a good player, or he will be, but he is also eighteen years old, and likely to get dominated by a great many premier league midfielders of lesser skill. As is to be expected, when he’s only just out of the boy scouts.

And the keepers, oh Jesus, the keepers. Fabianski has three half decent games and suddenly Wenger was right all along, he never needed another keeper after all. Never mind the fact he actually tried to buy one two months ago. Honestly, the bloke can just come out with any old sh*te nowadays, however contradictory it may be. People still lap it up for some reason. He must go to bed at night laughing his head off.

Look, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it’s probably a duck. Therefore if Carlos Vela appears incapable of troubling any premier league defence in any game he plays, it is because he isn’t very good, not because he’s playing football on some higher aesthetic level. If Koscielny keeps getting caught out of position, then it’s because he’s not that good a defender.

 I still maintain that there is no essential difference between Bendnter and Lee Chapman, except that the club would tell us there was. Signing Campbell and Silvestre wasn’t some masterstroke. It’s because Wenger is a CHEAPSKATE. If your defence and your goalkeeper can’t organise themselves to clear a ball out of the penalty box, year upon year, then you will LOSE GAMES.

All Wenger’s magnificent eccentricities wouldn’t matter at all, if we won something. But we don’t. EVER. How many more years will this be allowed to go on for, dining out on the legacy of the ‘invincibles’, Ten, Twenty?

Fifty pound a game to hear the same b*llocks trotted out year after year. This, my friends, is, lazy, sh*te management, in anyone’s language. It’s not ‘transition’. It’s not ‘managing on a shoestring’, it’s sh*t management. If you lose to West Brom and Newcastle at home in the space of a month you are a BAD FOOTBALL TEAM.

I tell you what blows Wenger’s cover. He’s trying to win the league cup. Despite all his bluster over the years about using it as a competition to develop the youth. Despite us all feeling wonderfully smug at the Spurs fans a couple of years back when they beat us 5-1. ‘It’s not a real competition’ we all said. Well it is now, to Wenger, apparently, and that tells you the game is up.

And the game is up, and it’s time for the man to go. The mighty can fall. Eras pass and Empires crumble. Brian Clough took Forest down stubbornly adhering to very similar principles.

 Who wants to sing a song with me at the next home game?

**Disclaimer. No Arsenal fans were harmed in the writing of this article. I fully recognise Wenger is a genius who is responsible for the emergence of Arsenal as a proper football club. I admire and I am eternally grateful for the free flowing football I am lucky to see every Saturday. I realise that Wenger is the last vestige of civilisation in an increasingly barbaric footballing world and that to replace him with David Moyes or similar would cast us into an abyss from which we may never return. Carlos Vela is the next Pele and Fabregas has just got a touch of indigestion.

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Time for Wenger To Call It a Day ? PART 2
Arsenal Times (IP Logged)
10/11/2010 18:47
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010:11:14:18:53:04 by Padre Pio.

 
Re: Time for Wenger To Call It a Day ? PART 2
PKGooner (IP Logged)
10/11/2010 18:59
Very good

Ive not sang his name (or Fabregas') all season

He's stubborn and seemingly blind. Most said that if he dont change anything in the summer - BUY A KEEPER! And get decent defenders in - he could go.

He didnt do either and we're still conceding and losing games as a result. Only the other day on here we were talking about paying £80+ and a £100+ for the up coming yid game, not to mention the hundreds people spent elsewhere in the groud every other week to watch the same old sh1te and same mistakes every single time. If its still the same by the end of the season - which it appears it will be - then there needs to be some serious re-evaluating.

Wont even go into the whole way the club treats the fans as we've all gone over it hundreds of times and nothings going to change, we all know what's what.

We might go ahead and beat Wolves by 10 now but it wouldnt change f*ck all. The same flaws will remain and cost us in the upcoming weeks

 
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Bergmars (IP Logged)
10/11/2010 18:59
Vintage stuff Celine,love it,you forgot Romford Pele,and can yous till get Fray Bentos.Great read and very true.



DB10,the best.

 
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Ballistix (IP Logged)
10/11/2010 19:36
Gritty stuff, some has rung true but we are fools to believe that football is the fodder of the working classes any more. My grandfather was a sargeant major in the royal engineers and he was a lifelong fan. He was born in 1888 following his retirement from the army in 1924 he had a Market stall in Woolwich and spent all his middle ages following the gunners and saw what chapman brought to the club with his gym players bank etc. Football was tough and fans were fickle then as well as now. He and my old man took me to highbury when I was five 1976. I have followed Arsenal ever since. Moving on Wenger brought something new to Arsenal and the football was a joy to behold, leaving Highbury was sad but the new stadium is great. Yes there are a lot of families but they like I was are future fans and yes their good old days won't be my good old days but that is the nature of perception of history. Standing on the terraces at west brom as a 10 year old watching Arsenal and being hit with a mince beef pie and watching the old man go loopy will always warm the cockles of my heart but it is in the past and we all have Rose tinted spectacles to wear. I was apathetic in the 80,s football has changed so much since the inception of the prem but in many ways it's the same. I still give players stick and slag them off but no one likes a whinger.

 
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djarse (IP Logged)
10/11/2010 22:03
In answer to the title question: No

We are one point behind ManU and 5 behind Chelski after less than one third of the season. I wouldn't bet my mortgage on us winning the League this season but it's not impossible. The league is much harder for everyone than in previous years. We will probably win something this year. The team is much better than last year. And as the youngest of the top 5 clubs will be even better next year,

And by the way, Chamakh ("appears unlikely to score more than 10 goals in a season") is now on 8 after less than a third of the season.

I was disappointed by the WBA and Newcastle defeats but the over-reaction to them by some supporters is way over the top.

Where I agree is that football, like society as a whole, is becoming more and more dominated by big business and finance capital. I'm all for overthrowing them but I think blaming Wenger and the team for it is to miss the point.

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
10/11/2010 22:46
Forget last gameitis, Arsenal played poorly at home to Birmingham, West Ham, as well as against Newcastle and WBA.
Peformances at Liverpool and Sunderland. Nor was tonight anything special, but a wins a win.
At present Arsenal are on target 72 points, no great shakes



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
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Merlion96 (IP Logged)
11/11/2010 00:20
(Sm6)(Sm6)..great read, expressing all my frustration since last season..thumbs down

This season, after that Tatar Affair, I started to detest this Snake-Oil Salesman...as it shattered my iamge of him being a dignified, savve and urbane man who will put familyf rist and will never sloop so low as to put hsi brain where his balls are.

I wouldn't be surprised he will voluntarily leave in summer 2011, not due to football reason, but due to his personal and family problem over Tatar Affair....

And of course increasing vitriols and "disclosures" from British tabliods and rival fans due to all his whingeings and almost daily utterances as if he got something to hide and desperately trying to divert attention away from his shortcomings as a family man..and as a 21st Century Arsenal manager.

Wneger/Tatar Affiar = Purfomo/Keller Affair which brought down a British Government?

 
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boobyb (IP Logged)
11/11/2010 00:42
Sorry amigo but your article is a joke. And when you talk about Wenger what he changed (or what he didn't change) then you realise what the English team is missing and why England never wins the World Cup or the Euros (if qualified) - with JT and all the others doing what they want to do (eating, drinking, partying). I think you should be the next manager knowing everything about the Velas, Fabianskis and Koscielnys and I'm sure you will win us the Champions League [:wor kid:]

 
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Merlion96 (IP Logged)
11/11/2010 01:26
That is an ad hominem fallacy.

 
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seanski (IP Logged)
11/11/2010 06:20
I now know why I never bother to visit this sight these daze. Even the editorial has become a boring anti wenger rant , if you can't beat 'em, right pardre?. Banging their thick heads against the wall with every poor performance, then creaming their pants when the team get it together. And they don't seem to notice that when the team get it together, it's sublime, we are truely that close..

Blaming wenger because the ugly face of capitalism is also evident at the great arsenal. For fxxxs sake!

The team stands on the edge of being exactly the team wenger has promised for some years now, yet the impatience of the glory hunters is all we hear like static in our ears

 
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Bergmars (IP Logged)
11/11/2010 06:39
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djarse
In answer to the title question: No
We are one point behind ManU and 5 behind Chelski after less than one third of the season. I wouldn't bet my mortgage on us winning the League this season but it's not impossible. The league is much harder for everyone than in previous years. We will probably win something this year. The team is much better than last year. And as the youngest of the top 5 clubs will be even better next year,

And by the way, Chamakh ("appears unlikely to score more than 10 goals in a season") is now on 8 after less than a third of the season.

I was disappointed by the WBA and Newcastle defeats but the over-reaction to them by some supporters is way over the top.

Where I agree is that football, like society as a whole, is becoming more and more dominated by big business and finance capital. I'm all for overthrowing them but I think blaming Wenger and the team for it is to miss the point.


These are not reactions to the last few games,rather the last five years,your entitled to your opinions but Wenger is not never has been and never will be bigger than the club,as some would have us beleive.
I would go so far as to say I cannot see us winning the EPL for some time,let alone the CL.Chamakh is a decent player but I dont see him being a prolific scorer.

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
11/11/2010 08:47
What kind of football fan doesnt get excited when their team wins? What kind of fan doesnt get pi$$ed off when they lose?
Thats what being a fan is all about.

Is it the case that if you believe Wenger can take this team no further you must wear sack cloth and ashes and not enjoy the wins.

Sometimes you have to accept the evidence of your eyes, I hate to take anyones dummy away, but this squad is one of the weakest Wenger has ever assembled. Apart from Fabregas who is world class? Are these players better than Lehmann, Gilberto, Vieira, Bergkamp, Henry, Pires, Campbell, Ljungberg etc To ask the question is to answer it.

Do these players show consistency every week? Do they fight for the cause? Do you have to be an expert to notice they are not consistent. Do you really expect this team to win the league? I have made it clear from the beginning of the season that top four is the most I can hope for.

This team will not win any major trophy, even if they have a few big wins along the way. Why because they cant win important games. They crumble when the pressure is really on, when the stakes are high they collapse.

Enfeebled in Wengers comfy hot house, la la land where nothing nasty ever happens.

I didnt write the article above, its not an editorial
But I do believe that it is a serious appraisal of where we have got to. If other want to write the opposite they are welcome Arsenal Times is open to all views, there is not an editorial line.

Yes Wenger did invent Capitalism, and the club was well on its way by the 1920s, but Football in general it has become even more obscene.

FIFA robbed Africa of 2 billion for the WC and left the place still suffering. Arsenal has become more and more alienated from working class fans, the same at Manchester UNited, and most other clubs.

You dont have to be an expert to have a view on Vela, and either way you are entitled to it. I dont sneer at people who think he is good, not that I have met any.
Has he ever scored an important goal? Can he change games? Is he super sub? Thats what fans discuss, or perhaps we shouldnt, in that case we can shut down discussion boards.



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
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djarse (IP Logged)
11/11/2010 10:19
I'm disappointed too after 5 years of winning nothing though we have been very, very close a few times. And no, the squad does not have the same array of proven world stars as the Vieira, Bergkamp Henry era. I have been critical on this site before of Wenger's stubborn refusal to buy a world class goalkeeper or central defender. It still may be the difference between wining and losing a major competition this season so it is frustrating.

But we do have other world class players than Fabregas - I think RvP, Arshavin and Song fall into that category. Very possibly over the next year Vermaelen, Walcott, Nasri and Wilshere will become so too. Sometimes we don't realise how good our own players are - if you ask people supporting other clubs or experts from other countries they have a much higher opinion of many of our players than we do. We tend to focus on their failures/bad games - every player has them.

I think there is a greater spread of the best world class players across Europe and the Premiership now than before. I don;t think ManU have as many world class players as they have generally done over the past 20 years.

I am genuinely perplexed by the hostility to Chamakh - his first season and he already has 8 goals (our top scorer) less than one third into the season. He is likely to get over 20 by the end - pretty good for a striker in their first year at the club, who was never intended to be our first choice central striker.

But is it time for Wenger for leave and move on ? I still think not. Is it time for him to admit we need one more world class central defender and a world class keeper - yes.

 
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AJ The Gunner (IP Logged)
11/11/2010 14:52
Thanks for having the guts to say out loud and clear....fantastic read.. your articles are by far my fav...

he spins it..he thinks he has sold it to all..i don't know the breed of fans who still coo after wenger like a drunken bird that has lost its feathers but you got this whole thing spot on....(Sm152)

wengers holy temple where he breeds aliens that can't win a @#$%&(Sm132)...geez how right you are...i'm sick of the whole wenger fiasco



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Jonny Bravo (IP Logged)
11/11/2010 15:28
For me its about progression from one season to the next. Putting into practice what was learned the year before, ironing out inconsistancies etc. Since 07/08 when we lead the league for most the seaon this team has gone backwards, you can blame injuries players leaving whatever but thats part in parcel of football.
I dont expect us to win everything every year, Iam not old enough to remember the bad times in the 80's but I do remember when Arsene Wenger teams were feared up and down the land.Not anymore we never know now what team is going to turn up.
Maul teams in the Cl lose to WBA, hammer city lose to Newcastle.
Arsene Wenger is woven deep into the fabric of our club and while we have benefited from many of his excellent attributes were suffering from his worst, his stubborness. The board should have had the balls to say "No contract for you untill we see if your project comes to fruition" but alas no.
As a club we have everything going for us, modern stadium, good training facilites great supporters regardless of their viewpoints and were debt free (apart from the stadium). On the playing side we have players for the most part who havnt fufilled their potential.For me its a mixtures of two things A) their not good enough or cool smiley the manger cant motivate them or is not ruthless enough with them.
At the end of the day its the playing side of things thats letting this club down and Arsene Wenger has carte blanche to make whatever changes he likes in order to recifify our shortcomings. Iam not writing this season off yet and will stick by our players and AW until the end of the season. However if there no success and I mean challanging for the league all the way cup finals etc I think the club should find someone who can take this team the final step of the way to becoming a great team.

Ps This might not be the best example but the Irish Rugby team for instance had the best players for a generation, they huffed and puffed but were never consistent enough to win anything.It took a new manger with new ideas and outsiders prospective to correct the frailites and bang they won the 6 Nations in his first season.

 
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Bergmars (IP Logged)
11/11/2010 15:45
I can only comment on what I see,and what I have seen is a slow erosion of quality in our squad.If you have pretensions of winning the EPL or the CL.I asssume we do,you do not do it with suspect temperaments in goal or journeymen CBs and an attack who,by enlarge,need ten chances to score.
Last night at Wolves we could have had three goals in twenty minutes,putting to bed the game,we converted one of three routine chances,and then struggled for the rest of the game to hold the lead.It was largely thanks to flappy that we did,he owed us that,but we should never have been in that position.If you cannot defend,and we plainly cannot,then the chances need a good rate of conversion.To me this team is weak mentally and do not have the bottle to go on and win a trophy,and surely that is what we pay good money to all our staff to do.



DB10,the best.

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
11/11/2010 19:33
On world class players I agree RvP might be world class, but he is injured for half of every season.

Arshavin was World Class, but he seems to be going through a bad patch, cant score. I like Song, but he is not world class.



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
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celine dion (IP Logged)
11/11/2010 20:38
hmm i expected more of a shafting for this article really, all pretty mild mannered really.

Some of the retorts a bit childish arent they. Why would I want to be the next Arsenal manager, Im an OFFICE manager. Theres a great many actual football managers who could do a better job than me. And thats the point of the article actually, that people seem unable to accept that there might be another option out there. And seem to adopt this sort of irrationality, like you find in religious fanatics in fact. Or kids.

And as for the accusation 'glory hunter'. Come on seanski, you can do better than that. Every football fan is a glory hunter to a certain extent, and I think its pretty clear to anyone on this site that I've been going to Arsenal since the mid 1980's.

As for the stuff about Chamakh, I quite like him actually, and his two goals last night certainly doesn't do him any harm. My point about Chamakh is that he doesnt strike me as a big game striker, who'll get that crucial 89th minute goal in a champions league semi. I think he's another midfielder cum striker who'se footballing ability in all other areas of the pitch is superior to his predatory powers. My reasons for thinking this is watching him against Chelsea and Man City really. But I am quite happy to have my opinion changed. The thing about Wenger is that he values pure footballing ability at the expense of everything else. So our defenders can bomb up and down the pitch and tread wonderful through balls but cant actually DEFEND, and our strikers pass when they need to shoot, its in their nature. If Wenger could only bring himself to sacrifice 10% of our pure technical prowess at the expense of 10% greater efficiency in either penalty box, I think we would be in a better place.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback, I was expecting a better row that this to be honest.

 
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Thetruthisback (IP Logged)
11/11/2010 21:20
Mein gott, Rog, you is really smokin' today (boyo as we say in Ireland). I'm behind you. We need a f.uckin' change. I was in my mid 20's when Le Professor took over, for God's sake.

 
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karsene16 (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 00:07
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And if they gave a f*Ck about you, then they wouldn’t have built a great big football ground with more expensive seats than cheap ones.
Quote of the season.

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boobyb
Sorry amigo but your article is a joke. And when you talk about Wenger what he changed (or what he didn't change) then you realise what the English team is missing and why England never wins the World Cup or the Euros (if qualified) - with JT and all the others doing what they want to do (eating, drinking, partying). I think you should be the next manager knowing everything about the Velas, Fabianskis and Koscielnys and I'm sure you will win us the Champions League [:wor kid:]

JT's out partying and drinking and still makes it to the party that is Drogba's thrashing of Arsenal and picks up domestic medals.

England don't win anything because the players are too famous to drop and overrated. Basically the team is picked by the media and maybe, just maybe, they might be @#$%&.

Same could be said for this lot, this time 2007 we had 9 cleansheets in EPL and CL and conceded 10 goals, this season we can only manage 4 cleansheets and have conceded 15 goals and to think at the end of that season we wanted to strengthen our defence.



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SandyB (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 03:19
Well..well Celine, Padre and all the friends here..Sandy is in Rio and enjoying the beach after a long time..I can't be negative at the moment even if I wanted to...but I must whatever you say..nothing going to change as long as Wenger manages to finish in top 4. And I must say I read the intention of the club very well that they wanna win Carling cup this season to put a trophy on the show case and wouldn't be surprised a massive propaganda campaign if happen to win the coveted CC.
Well, I don't have anything against Wenger and I know it for sure(and must say I'm saying this for ages) nothing will change even if Wenger leaves but I dislike Wenger coz of the fact that he has achieved the status of Arsenal god coz of the fans and it is the fans he has stopped siding but chosen to have a pact with the devils. I dislike that..but other than that he isn't doing any bad job.

 
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seanski (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 05:13
Padre, you say this is not an editorial but it's under the banner of Arsenal Times,there was no 'note fron the ed. the editorial board can't have their cake and eat it, right? What are you going to do when we win either the prem or champion's league?

The very small number of posters here who are obsessed with getting rid of arsen wenger are a rather isolated bunch of (sorry) muppets. Go to the other sites, there you will, of course, see criticism of wenger when it's needed, but NO ONE is calling for his exit, on the contrary, the disapointment at some results is tempered by an excitment at what we all see is a real possibility of concrete achievements this year. There is also a recognition that wenger keeping us in the top four for the last few difficult years while not having the budget to buy big is also something NO OTHER manager could have pulled off.

So yes celine, you finally "said it" but you won't get a shafting on this site because it's become an irrelevence, no body cares what you say, they're to focused on surrorting our team and our manager who is still the best fxxking manager in the world.

 
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Bergmars (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 07:18
[quote seanski]Padre, you say this is not an editorial but it's under the banner of Arsenal Times,there was no 'note fron the ed. the editorial board can't have their cake and eat it, right? What are you going to do when we win either the prem or champion's league?

The very small number of posters here who are obsessed with getting rid of arsen wenger are a rather isolated bunch of (sorry) muppets. Go to the other sites, there you will, of course, see criticism of wenger when it's needed, but NO ONE is calling for his exit, on the contrary, the disapointment at some results is tempered by an excitment at what we all see is a real possibility of concrete achievements this year. There is also a recognition that wenger keeping us in the top four for the last few difficult years while not having the budget to buy big is also something NO OTHER manager could have pulled off.

So yes celine, you finally "said it" but you won't get a shafting on this site because it's become an irrelevence, no body cares what you say, they're to focused on surrorting our team and our manager who is still

Yes you keep on beleiving it whilst the Chavs and the mancs keep on winning the trophies,I think you will find more than a few Arsenal followers that are pretty miffed with the goings on of recent years.Again someone dares question Wengerso they are muppets,as I posted I know what I see,as the saying goes you can fool some of the people...........

 
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Merlion96 (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 08:14
WOnder who are those muppets that dared to question Wenegr during last year stockholder meeting?

or those that dared to boo Arsene and his team at Emirates?

Arene Wenger can fool some Arsenal fans all the time, all Arsenal fans some of the time, but not all Arsenal fans all the time.

Yup, IWWT and WKNB muppets like Seanski are drunk on snake-oil. Kudos to Arsene Wenger, a superb snake-oil salesman..

I wonder why he bothered to waste so much time on such an irrevelant blog like Arsenal Times instead of spending 'em at "Untold Arsenal" or those Top-10 Arsenal blogs.

 
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celine dion (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 10:40
Quote:
seanski
Padre, you say this is not an editorial but it's under the banner of Arsenal Times,there was no 'note fron the ed. the editorial board can't have their cake and eat it, right? What are you going to do when we win either the prem or champion's league?
The very small number of posters here who are obsessed with getting rid of arsen wenger are a rather isolated bunch of (sorry) muppets. Go to the other sites, there you will, of course, see criticism of wenger when it's needed, but NO ONE is calling for his exit, on the contrary, the disapointment at some results is tempered by an excitment at what we all see is a real possibility of concrete achievements this year. There is also a recognition that wenger keeping us in the top four for the last few difficult years while not having the budget to buy big is also something NO OTHER manager could have pulled off.

So yes celine, you finally "said it" but you won't get a shafting on this site because it's become an irrelevence, no body cares what you say, they're to focused on surrorting our team and our manager who is still the best fxxking manager in the world.

this sites always been ahead of the game mate. and 1,200 readers for something I knocked up in an hour cant be bad.

By the way I didnt realise we were definitely going to win the Champions league or the league. Wenger tell you that did he, - can you tell me exactly when this will be mate so I can make sure I get down William Hills.

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 11:08
Seanski,
You want to put your viewpoint up? I will feature it for you.
Arsenal Times is open to all views. My editorial policy is non partisan, a broad church.

The article was signed Celine Dion, Boris Mellor is the Editor and the only articles that carry editorial authority are his.
But I am not hiding behind that, I agree 98% with Celine.
Nor is it true that everyone here is anti wenger, Eduardo is clearly not, and he is not only one.

However what unites is we are Arsenal supporters, I have been one for over 50 years, I have seen managers come and go. I even campaigned to get rid of Billy Wright, who probably ran the best youth scheme ever, providing the core of the 1971 double team. Bertie Mee got the glory and then hit the doldrums. We stayed loyal as he had won double. We should have got rid as he laid the ground for another 17 years of misery.

I never supported a manager, always the team.
Now I might be wrong, and I would love to be wrong, because i prefer trophies to being proved right, but this team will not win a major trophy this year, by that I mean EPL, CL or FA cup, not the Carling.

What will i do if I am wrong? I will donate £100 to charity nominated by you Seanski.

What will you do if I am right?



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
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12/11/2010 11:35
spot on celine.haha good call padre

 
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Rockstaar (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 19:57
most of that article was ridiculous to be fair...reality is that very few people could do what Arsene has done and finish top 4 consistently in the type of transition Arsenal had

you may think its no big deal..but every club in the premiership is trying to accomplish that feat in the very least..some its their top priority

and he's managed to do this with all supposed sub par and rubbish players...and while we are at it..let us totally forget the horrible injuries we've had or the close seasons

And of course they changed the brand of Arsenal..its called keeping up with the times

maybe we should be beating up John Terry's dad like the f.ckhead yids..that would go over well in extending our worldwide brand..oh yeah..I forgot Arsenal is only for Londonites..who cares about the global brand right

as long as we can pay £10 a game then all is well...because of course £10 matches would pay for everything..even the great players we all want

I believe Arsene should be held accountable for results and that only at Arsenal would he be in a job this long...but we run a totally different ship over here, so its makes perfect sense when you think about it

 
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celine dion (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 20:56
Quote:
Rockstaar
most of that article was ridiculous to be fair...reality is that very few people could do what Arsene has done and finish top 4 consistently in the type of transition Arsenal had
you may think its no big deal..but every club in the premiership is trying to accomplish that feat in the very least..some its their top priority

and he's managed to do this with all supposed sub par and rubbish players...and while we are at it..let us totally forget the horrible injuries we've had or the close seasons

And of course they changed the brand of Arsenal..its called keeping up with the times

maybe we should be beating up John Terry's dad like the f.ckhead yids..that would go over well in extending our worldwide brand..oh yeah..I forgot Arsenal is only for Londonites..who cares about the global brand right

as long as we can pay £10 a game then all is well...because of course £10 matches would pay for everything..even the great players we all want

I believe Arsene should be held accountable for results and that only at Arsenal would he be in a job this long...but we run a totally different ship over here, so its makes perfect sense when you think about it

we didnt used to run a different ship mate. we used to run the same ship as everyone else. its only the current arsenal board who decided people should pay £50 a seat to watch a £20 performance, just because something great might happen 'next year'. thats £50 hard earned pounds that I should probably be spending on my kids.

fact is, when a seat at the football costs 10 or 20 quid then you cant argue about the team thats put in front of you because its in keeping with every other team in the league. But a club that charges 50-100 pound for a game against wigan, well, that had better put something special on the pitch. And it doesnt, does it.

mate, if you dont go to games, which you dont, then it isnt going to bother you is it. You can stand aside and see it purely from the outside.

and anyway, you're the one who said, if Wenger didn't win anything last year, then he should have to worry about his job. So whats changed?

 
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Bergmars (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 21:36
Carry on Arsene,mark my words until fans voice their dissatisfaction and frustration,we will get more of the same.



DB10,the best.

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 21:40
Will they start painting "4th 2007" "3rd 2010" around the stadium?



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
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celine dion (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 21:44
Quote:
Padre Pio
Will they start painting "4th 2007" "3rd 2010" around the stadium?

they would if they thought they could get away with it.

 
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karsene16 (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 22:13
Quote:
Padre, you say this is not an editorial but it's under the banner of Arsenal Times,there was no 'note fron the ed. the editorial board can't have their cake and eat it, right? What are you going to do when we win either the prem or champion's league?

smiling smiley

Don't even know what to say to that.



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Rockstaar (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 22:19
Quote:
fact is, when a seat at the football costs 10 or 20 quid then you cant argue about the team thats put in front of you because its in keeping with every other team in the league. But a club that charges 50-100 pound for a game against wigan, well, that had better put something special on the pitch. And it doesnt, does it.

the club is charging to see Arsenal..not Wigan..thats the way it is anywhere in the world

every club is having a tough time winning games..our supporters are never satisfied..win a hard match against wolves and its luck etc

Quote:
mate, if you dont go to games, which you dont, then it isnt going to bother you is it. You can stand aside and see it purely from the outside.

Haven't been to a match in years and it was quite different at Highbury (cost)..but I go to sporting events here in states..I was just at the Miami Heat / Boston Celtics match last night and I would want to tell what we ended up spending

I don't bang on about the price for the tickets..because I don't 'have' to go...and I understand that if you have a hot commodity then you should maximize that

now the Heat went and brought this dream team but they keep getting their asses handed to them..but they are still a top draw...same with Arsenal..they are still a top draw whether you like it or not...don't go and someone will replace you..gladly

Quote:
and anyway, you're the one who said, if Wenger didn't win anything last year, then he should have to worry about his job. So whats changed?

yes, celine and I still feel that way...I just disagree with disregarding his accomplishments and acting like he's total rubbish

 
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celine dion (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 22:23
Quote:
Rockstaar
Quote:
fact is, when a seat at the football costs 10 or 20 quid then you cant argue about the team thats put in front of you because its in keeping with every other team in the league. But a club that charges 50-100 pound for a game against wigan, well, that had better put something special on the pitch. And it doesnt, does it.

the club is charging to see Arsenal..not Wigan..thats the way it is anywhere in the world

every club is having a tough time winning games..our supporters are never satisfied..win a hard match against wolves and its luck etc

Quote:
mate, if you dont go to games, which you dont, then it isnt going to bother you is it. You can stand aside and see it purely from the outside.

Haven't been to a match in years and it was quite different at Highbury (cost)..but I go to sporting events here in states..I was just at the Miami Heat / Boston Celtics match last night and I would want to tell what we ended up spending

I don't bang on about the price for the tickets..because I don't 'have' to go...and I understand that if you have a hot commodity then you should maximize that

now the Heat went and brought this dream team but they keep getting their asses handed to them..but they are still a top draw...same with Arsenal..they are still a top draw whether you like it or not...don't go and someone will replace you..gladly

Quote:
and anyway, you're the one who said, if Wenger didn't win anything last year, then he should have to worry about his job. So whats changed?

yes, celine and I still feel that way...I just disagree with disregarding his accomplishments and acting like he's total rubbish

maybe i come across too strong, because when you write an article you have to make it a bit exciting dont you. I dont hate wenger, how could i when we had that team a while back with Dennis Henry Pires etc. I just think he' become a bit of a p*sstaker thats all. in a nice way.

 
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Bergmars (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 22:24
Rockie I dont think there are many if any Arsenal fans who would rubbish Arsene or his acheivments.



DB10,the best.

 
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Rockstaar (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 22:38
Quote:
Rockie I dont think there are many if any Arsenal fans who would rubbish Arsene or his acheivments.

I just felt the tone of Celine's post had those sentiments exactly

 
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Flava (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 23:18
We pay Harrods prices, shop in Primark but get a product that's Marks & Spencer.

I'm going to regret posting that drivel in the morning, that's the power of Stella my friends.

 
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celine dion (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 23:29
i think thats a very profound judgment mr flava. do not be ashamed of your excessive drinking.

 
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Flava (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 23:31
I'm not ashamed of my drinking, it's one of the only things in the world I'm competant at.

 
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Flava (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 23:32
Nice write up by the way mate.

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
12/11/2010 23:33
I'll drink to that



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
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Bergmars (IP Logged)
13/11/2010 09:15
Champagne socialist eh Padre(Sm128)(Joking)



DB10,the best.

 
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seanski (IP Logged)
13/11/2010 12:36
what's facinating looking at the thread is that so many of the posts are anti-wenger, although they don't amount to many people. My question padre is what you gonna say if we now go on the thunderous run we all so yearn for so much? Are you still gonna call for his head? Or are you gonna say that maybe you and the others got it badly wrong,Because it's one thing to demand a change of tactics or slag off players,who can then come good and all's forgiven. It's another to publically declare on an arsenal times editorial that wenger must go

And by the way you say you don't support the manager. Are you really talking about arsen wenger? He will always be a legend at arsenal, he deserves nothing but our respect, yet....I feel this seething hatred just below the surface on this thread. You, of all people used to call these people 'glory hunters', and now? You're lost patience, right? Well all comes to those who have the wisdom to wait, and maybe, just maybe our time really is coming.

PS That's a fine offer, but you say 'what will I do if you're right" What will it be if you're right?

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
13/11/2010 17:07
Seanski
I am not calling for Wengers head, and AT is not campaigning for Wenger's head. As I have said its a broad church - why dont you produce an article on why he is still right for Arsenal.
We are asking whether Wenger has gone as far as he can. I diont care how good managers are, I never supported Graham either, I support the team.
When managers move on I dont follow them.
I probably didnt even know the name of the manager for my first game.I had a red white scarf, not a rosette with george Swindin on it.

What will what be if I am right? not sure I understand your qestion - what will you do? Eat your hat? Send money to charity.

Ive plenty of patience, always have, we have had long barren spells before. Wenger stays or goes I will still stay. Whilst I am waiting I will continue to give my opinion as everyone else does, and my opinion is that he is a busted flush, a man whose mojo has gone. Yes he did a wonderful job and achieved wonderful things, but that doesnt have to mean that therefore he will be winning trophies in the future.



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
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karsene16 (IP Logged)
13/11/2010 17:22
Padre the whole post was a joke...

Quote:
seanski
what's facinating looking at the thread is that so many of the posts are anti-wenger, although they don't amount to many people.
Very true, of the thousands that have read it, some thought it wasn't worth answering, some saw the big fat question mark in the title, some agreed, some disagreed. But I don't know who would class themselves as anti-wenger, when things are at a stand still at political parties they want a new leader, I don't think anyone wouldn't want Wenger taking a role in the club likes he might do in France.

My question padre is what you gonna say if we now go on the thunderous run we all so yearn for so much? Are you still gonna call for his head? Or are you gonna say that maybe you and the others got it badly wrong,

probably say he and others got it wrong.

Because it's one thing to demand a change of tactics or slag off players,who can then come good and all's forgiven. It's another to publically declare on an arsenal times editorial that wenger must go

It's kind of the same. It's like saying to board should go, it's quite normal views amongst a small minority of fans, maybe it's time they were heard.

And by the way you say you don't support the manager. Are you really talking about arsen wenger? He will always be a legend at arsenal, he deserves nothing but our respect,

and he will be respected for his time at the club.


yet....I feel this seething hatred just below the surface on this thread. You, of all people used to call these people 'glory hunters', and now? You're lost patience, right? Well all comes to those who have the wisdom to wait, and maybe, just maybe our time really is coming.

What f*cking hatred? I thought Eduardo had nothing left to offer the team, I don't hate him.

and the 'glory hunter' nonsense is nonsense, Bolton supporters want glory and didn't like Megson at their club and booed him at games, that's disrespect which Arsenal supporters would never do to Wenger but now they're current 7th under new management.

PS That's a fine offer, but you say 'what will I do if you're right" What will it be if you're right?

I'm sure no one will shoot their brains out over this.





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celine dion (IP Logged)
13/11/2010 19:44
Quote:
seanski
what's facinating looking at the thread is that so many of the posts are anti-wenger, although they don't amount to many people.

Weve already established that nobody comes on here anyway mate so I dont know why you are so surprised.


My question padre is what you gonna say if we now go on the thunderous run we all so yearn for so much?

Nothing, we'll probably go and have a cup of tea or something. And anyway, what the f*ck. So you're not allowed to suggest getting rid of a football manager 'in case you go on a long unbeaten run'. Yeah, I reckon Liverpool fans are having the same conversation right about now.

Are you still gonna call for his head? Or are you gonna say that maybe you and the others got it badly wrong,Because it's one thing to demand a change of tactics or slag off players,who can then come good and all's forgiven. It's another to publically declare on an arsenal times editorial that wenger must go

I think PP might have already pointed out that this isnt the editorial, its my article. On a pretty irrelevant website, apparently.


And by the way you say you don't support the manager. Are you really talking about arsen wenger? He will always be a legend at arsenal, he deserves nothing but our respect, yet....I feel this seething hatred just below the surface on this thread.

What hatred? you really are a case aren't you. What pompous sh*te. I dont hate anyone except Tony Blair. Wengers did a good job, now he isnt, time to jack it in. No hard feelings. Is this so really difficult to get through your skull?


You, of all people used to call these people 'glory hunters', and now? You're lost patience, right? Well all comes to those who have the wisdom to wait, and maybe, just maybe our time really is coming.

'Glory Hunters'. thats what people call kids at school. Its childish. Anyone doing 20 games a season year in year out can hardly be called a glory hunter. Although, yes it would be nice to have a bit of glory for my 2 grand. Still, lets give it another 10 years eh.

PS That's a fine offer, but you say 'what will I do if you're right" What will it be if you're right?


you know, this guys proving my point. Theres this sort of moral superiority about the Wenger brigade. words like 'wisdom' and 'seething hatred', all a bit strong. Blokes a football manager, not the POPE. And this is EXACTLY why the club thinks it can do what it likes.

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
13/11/2010 20:18
Karsene and Celine have said it all for me.
I am looking forward to this run, I have been waiting for it for 5 years now. In the 1950s I waited until 1971 for a thunderous run, and I enjoyed it.

Not that this team has a run in it, but I keep saying it - I would love to see a good run. I didnt leave the Newcastle game feeling great. I felt sick listening to Geordies going Ole at my home ground. I am no glory hunter, but I do expect my team to fight for the club.



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
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Flava (IP Logged)
13/11/2010 20:29
You wouldn't want this team playing for your life, that's for sure.

1-11 or 47 (or whatever it is) is a good side. If we could put that side out every week I think only Chelsea has better. Unfortunately I can't remember the last time we put out our strongest XI, or 10 if you discount our plethoria of (ahem) keepers.

 
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Merlion96 (IP Logged)
14/11/2010 05:12
Perhaps I should write soem fantasy as to why that snake-oil salesman needs another 5-Year Transitory Period till the current crop of yougnsters are in their 22-27 year old by 2014/15 season where Arsenal wil dominate BPL and Europe.

Hmmm...I think "Team Arsenal Mark XIX" will do nicely....with a bloated Sugar Daddy guzzling beer in the director's box...and Daivd Dein as Chairman..



Supporting Arsenal Times is Spornosexuality which involves a significant amount of work, time and constant labour but offers very little reward, but the pleasures yielded are only fleeting. Spornosexuality has eroded young men's traditional support of values so they have become increasingly reliant on their delusional disorder and whingeings as a means of feeling valuable. (Sm3)

 
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HappyGööner (IP Logged)
14/11/2010 18:17
It's time for this thread to be Taken Down!

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
14/11/2010 18:52
Threads are taken down when new articles go up, not before



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
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celine dion (IP Logged)
14/11/2010 19:48
lastgameitis.

 
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eduardo (IP Logged)
14/11/2010 20:18
so celine are you trying to claim you would have written your article if Arsenal had beaten Newcastle, lastgameitis works both ways

 
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karsene16 (IP Logged)
14/11/2010 21:01
That was beatenbynewlypromotedteamsathomeitis.



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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
14/11/2010 21:28
If you read Celine's article he stated even if by the time of posting Arsenal beat wolves 10 nil he still stood by it.

Its based on the last six years not the last 5 matches.

The prizes are awarded in may not November.
3 seasons a go Arsenal had best start ever, then they drew at Birmingham and eduardo was injured.

Some people had said Wenger should have strengthened the squad at Xmas, he didnt and we won nothing. There is a long way to go. I would love to win league lets not get ahead of ourselves.



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
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Merlion96 (IP Logged)
14/11/2010 23:44
yes, I was that one that said we should have bought Woodgate and Anelka even it is for duration of 2007/08 season.

 
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seanski (IP Logged)
15/11/2010 08:41
the run begins here, maybe....and by the way celion, great the way you answered all the points with your cutting logic, pathetically adding that you did insert a question mark, but then set about 'saying it'

Sorry If I touched a raw nerve, let's end this thread, right? And maybe focus on the fact that we now have chelski in your sights..

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
15/11/2010 08:47
So if you write a state of the season article you should change it after every match, it could be like traffic lights. Still waiting for your article Seanski, and try not to go missing when we lose a few. Celine is here win or lose.



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
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seanski (IP Logged)
15/11/2010 09:37
Okay, if you try not to start ranting if we lose one! Anyway, always had a lot of time for you padre. The plot thickens, right?

 
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Bergmars (IP Logged)
15/11/2010 10:28
What part of "this is not in response to one game"do you not get,its the last few seasons.......... got it?



DB10,the best.

 
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Thetruthisback (IP Logged)
15/11/2010 11:51
My anti-Wenger mind ray machine is complete! Serioulsy, that's spot on; the directors show utter contempt to the fans. As for Wenger, he is so deluded he reminds me of Hitler refusing to acknoledge IVAN was on the outskirts of East Berlin.

It's great beating Everton away and the odd decent result like that but inevitably one knows that woeful defence and lack f midfield strength will make sure no trophies arrive again this season.

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
15/11/2010 13:56
Thanks Seanski, but it wasnt reaction to one game, its a reaction to five seasons and four lousy games at home. Even Arsene admits last four games at home were poor.

But we cant keep this up whilst season is being played, we can all make our judgements at the end.

by the way I have visited clublevel(not during a game) and they have spent a fortune upgrading it. I would rather the money was spent on players, or the ordinary fans.

Their target is gourmet punters, not diehards. clublevel kills the ground, yes it makes money, but so would have 80,000 at 30 each. They decided where the priorities are



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: Time for Wenger To Call It a Day ? PART 2
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
20/11/2010 14:51
Where is seanski?

 
Re: Time for Wenger To Call It a Day ? PART 2
Optimistic Gunner (IP Logged)
20/11/2010 14:55
You know what, after today, if we don't end up winning a trophy this season (higly doubtful) then I would happy to see Wenger f.uck off from Arsenal.



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Re: Time for Wenger To Call It a Day ? PART 2
BIGSNOOP (IP Logged)
20/11/2010 15:04
Defended Arsene for the most part but no longer after today. Clearly can't motivate the players anymore. Would make a great geenral manager though alla Franck Arnesne.

 
Re: Time for Wenger To Call It a Day ? PART 2
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
20/11/2010 15:04
OG, you gave him too much time.

 
Re: Time for Wenger To Call It a Day ? PART 2
Blaine (IP Logged)
20/11/2010 15:06
Quote:
Optimistic Gunner
You know what, after today, if we don't end up winning a trophy this season (higly doubtful) then I would happy to see Wenger f.uck off from Arsenal.

He's on his last straw for me.

 
Re: Time for Wenger To Call It a Day ? PART 2
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
20/11/2010 15:24
Guess he will cry on Tatar's bosom this weekend..grasping your last straw.

 
Re: Time for Wenger To Call It a Day ? PART 2
Thetruthisback (IP Logged)
20/11/2010 15:33
The sad fact is WENGER will never, ever leave. The directors are coining in a fortune with his stewardship.

I've given up moaning, I've accepted we're never going to win a trophy again while he is in charge - peroid. No point complaining about it.

Iof he didn't see the club needs a good strong midfielder and a defensive coach and decent defenders 4 seasons back - he ain't gonna see it now, people.

Best we can hope for is a top 4 finish. Pathetic really for a club our size.

 
Re: Time for Wenger To Call It a Day ? PART 2
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
20/11/2010 16:40
Non.

He wil leave as he got somebody waiting for him at Gay Paree.....

Like Henry deciding to leave after signing a new 3-year contract.

See the symmetry afetr signing a new 3-year contract?

 
Re: Time for Wenger To Call It a Day ? PART 2
holzini (IP Logged)
16/04/2017 18:36
Oh lord... Im so spechless....

 
Re: Time for Wenger To Call It a Day ? PART 2
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
16/04/2017 18:45
CHrissake .. I predicted he will leave in 2011!

 
Re: Time for Wenger To Call It a Day ? PART 2
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
16/04/2017 19:56
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Padre Pio
Thanks Seanski, but it wasnt reaction to one game, its a reaction to five seasons and four lousy games at home. Even Arsene admits last four games at home were poor.
But we cant keep this up whilst season is being played, we can all make our judgements at the end.

by the way I have visited clublevel(not during a game) and they have spent a fortune upgrading it. I would rather the money was spent on players, or the ordinary fans.

Their target is gourmet punters, not diehards. clublevel kills the ground, yes it makes money, but so would have 80,000 at 30 each. They decided where the priorities are
Same old same old



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

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