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Match Preview/Stats/Thread: Newcastle Utd v Derby County
By Tyne-Talk
December 27 2009
Newcastle United host Derby County tomorrow evening in their last game of 2009. The hosts, currently 10 points clear at the top of the table take on 18th place Derby with 25 points separating the two teams. Chris Hughton's players have 4 wins and 2, 2-2 draws from their last 6 games whilst Nigel Clough's side have lost their last 2, drawn 2 and won 2 from their last 6.
Alan Smith is expected to return to the starting eleven after being sidelined for yesterday's draw with Sheffield Wednesday with an ankle injury. Chris Hughton has no other injury worries other then the long term absence of Joey Barton (foot).
Shola Ameobi is expected to start after scoring four goals in his last four games, whilst Andy Carroll is chasing for a start after replacing Shola for 20minutes during yesterday's match.
Derby County are without Dean Moxey as he serves a 1 match suspension for being sent off after receiving 2 yellow cards on Boxing Day, but Clough will be hoping either, Shaun Barker (thigh), Miles Addison (foot) or Dean Leacock (knee) will be fit to play.
Jake Livermore will play his last game for Derby before ending his loan spell and returning to Tottenham Hotspur, whilst midfielder Paul Green could return having recovered from the flu.
Fact: Newcastle United have lost the last game of their last 6 calendar years, their last win on their last game of the year came in 2002 when they beat Tottenham Hotspur.
Fact: Newcastle United haven't lost at home against Derby County in 9 league games, having won 5 and drawn 4. Their last clash at St James' Park ended in a 2-2 draw on 23rd December 2007.
Newcastle United |
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23 | Played | 23 |
50 | Points | 25 |
15 | Won | 7 |
5 | Drawn | 4 |
3 | Lost | 12 |
39 | Goals Scored | 24 |
14 | Goals Conceded | 35 |
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Great! another game I can watch.
Derby have only won one away match so I'm going for a win for us.
Hopefully Ranger will get a run out.
Derby have only won one away match so I'm going for a win for us.
Hopefully Ranger will get a run out.
Okay, I'm stuck at work and will rely on y'all for updates and commentary! Keep 'em coming! Thx, CM
Hi I thought I was on my own.
Good start, the lads taking every opportunity to get behind the Derby defence.
Good start, the lads taking every opportunity to get behind the Derby defence.
What's the line up? I assume Smith in, and same back 4--who else in the mid and who's up front?
does this text commentary link work colarado? better than nothing. try iraqgoals as well if you can watch a stream at work
whoops, why is the forum blocking my right mouse button? no linking? carys?
whoops, why is the forum blocking my right mouse button? no linking? carys?
Lovenkrandts and Carroll up front.
R. Taylor, Guiterrez, Nolan, Smith in midfield
R. Taylor, Guiterrez, Nolan, Smith in midfield
same back four, then raylor, smith, nolan, jonas, carroll lovenkrands
few being rested having played two days ago by the look of it. shola must be one of them, and guthrie and butt
few being rested having played two days ago by the look of it. shola must be one of them, and guthrie and butt
just type the url and I'll cut and paste, thanks for the text commentary
search sky sports centre mate. find the coca cola champs, then our match, bingo
i cant even cut and paste colarado, will you try cutting any old text, and tell me what you get? i get a window telling me right click has been disabled on this page?
wow, raylor should have scored just then. sent clear, the keeper stopped his shot low down. should have done better
cheers annie. havent had a problem before. a lot of sites have cracked down on linking to live streams at sky's request, but not by stopping any linking or cutting at all!
anyway, we are playing very well, and you have to think we'll score sooner rather than later
anyway, we are playing very well, and you have to think we'll score sooner rather than later
Yeah Derby are definitely getting more of the ball. I'd be a lot less nervous if we get the first goal sooner rather than later.
a lot of cynical tackling by derby players. the ref is at least booking one or two of them now. still going forward well, just need a breakthrough
Ok, I'm back and the Toon have my attention 100% now. Too bad we choked our early chances--a team like this would have been crushed by and early goal and the onslaught would have begun....the longer before we score, the more confidence they'll gain.
Thanks for the sky game center tip. Found it. This will help. Work won't allow the streaming of the game so I cannot watch it. Sky + y'alls commentary will more than suffice!
I like Lovenkrands up front. Gives us speed. I wonder if he's sharp though given his family issues.
In Colorado today: Sunny, cold (high in the 30's). Snow on the ground from our Christmas Eve snow.
I like Lovenkrands up front. Gives us speed. I wonder if he's sharp though given his family issues.
In Colorado today: Sunny, cold (high in the 30's). Snow on the ground from our Christmas Eve snow.
Boxing Day and today are why I'm worried sick about promotion. Not whether we get promoted, but what do we do once we are. Without upgrads and depth across the XI we are in for more relegation battles and bottom half living. I hope MA spends once we are promoted.
Starting 2nd half well though from the looks of it.
Starting 2nd half well though from the looks of it.
Great Waffles, did you see Taylor's header? sky says he should have scored easily...agree?
Funny: Sky commentator says he just saw Rob Lee ask Alan Shearer for an autograph. "Bizarre."
Great, lostmekeys and our impetus...
a sub to regain our impetus, could be in the cards.
a sub to regain our impetus, could be in the cards.
raylor had a decent first half. somehow needs to be accommodated i think. he really should have scored when put through though
So are they packing it in the defensive half and going for the draw as of now?
ranger for loven. another who has been left out, loven looked decent for periods today. good to know we have some back up
howay nile though!
howay nile though!
Notice Harewood wasn't on the bench. Guess we'll not be extending his loan spell...
How tall is Addison? Why can't we contain him? Sounds like he's getting to every one of our crosses...
we looked like steamrollering them early on. needed to score when we were so far on top, second half has been scrappy all round
savage has taken the heat out of it, lying on the pitch while his team take a breather. hope we can get going, not long left now
From 10 points clear down to 6....can't be happy with 2 points out of the last 2 games. Two games we should have won if not playing down to the competition. Granted, great play by Bywater and Addison, but . . . those ties hurt.
We sorely lacked that killer pass from midfield. Why wasnt Guthrie playing today? He has better deliveries than Ryan Taylor.
We'd better start turning this around or we will start losing some of these type of games. We must keep with the momentum.
Happy New Year to everyone and back to the Premiership for 2010.
We'd better start turning this around or we will start losing some of these type of games. We must keep with the momentum.
Happy New Year to everyone and back to the Premiership for 2010.
I couldn't be more annoyed, why is it when we are playing teams we should thrash we're f@cking useless.
chin up colarado! over 6 games we have 4 wins and two draws. none of the top half can beat that, not forest (same record), not cardiff, or west brom.
our very recent rise to such a postition was down to us winning when our rivals wobbled. we havent lost in how many games now? hard for any team to catch that kind of form, so long as we keep throwing a few wins in too
our very recent rise to such a postition was down to us winning when our rivals wobbled. we havent lost in how many games now? hard for any team to catch that kind of form, so long as we keep throwing a few wins in too
$hit performance again!
Sick of colo & enrique trying to beat players from the back to bring the ball out, just f*cking hoof it,
poor deliveries cant even beat the first man, guess Geremi took set piece training this week!
Sick of colo & enrique trying to beat players from the back to bring the ball out, just f*cking hoof it,
poor deliveries cant even beat the first man, guess Geremi took set piece training this week!
howay mighty, cant win them all. you know fine well we havent played much better than that when we were winning, and it will be enough to win us a few more games yet
we could easily have won it too, both taylors had great chances, as did one or two others, though less clear cut. across the match i cant remember us creating as many well worked chances. got to be happy on that level.
someeone is gonna get thrashed at st james soon i reckon
someeone is gonna get thrashed at st james soon i reckon
Aye after all the clarting today, 6 points against Plymouth & Reading, then we can settle down for the big one WBA live on sky ![[:wor kid:]](/phorum-5.1.15/mods/smileys/images/13.gif "[:wor kid:]")
just realised the form table i was quoting was for the 6 games before today.
so i take it all back, we'll surely be relegated!
so i take it all back, we'll surely be relegated!
Not all is lost, and I could give a @#$%& less about finishing 1st or 2nd, but only 8 points up on the playoff spots is reason for worry. Not panic, but the results need to be better.
The last two matches highlight two things:
1. We do not have any individual threats of note. Even Nolan has relied on good service. We have no one who can pick up the ball in the opposition half and make a goal himself.
2. Our manager does not have a very deep bag of tricks, tactically speaking. More and more clubs are going to look to park the bus in front of goal. CH & Co. need to find ways to open them up.
The last two matches highlight two things:
1. We do not have any individual threats of note. Even Nolan has relied on good service. We have no one who can pick up the ball in the opposition half and make a goal himself.
2. Our manager does not have a very deep bag of tricks, tactically speaking. More and more clubs are going to look to park the bus in front of goal. CH & Co. need to find ways to open them up.
lest try raylor at right back again, with guthrie ahead. these two make more chances for others than anyone else. i also liked lovenkrands, so maybe he should start with shola now that harewood has gone?
Agreed lmk thought lovenkrands played well and he adds a bit pace to our team. Much needed pace may i add.
Quote:tunyc
1. We do not have any individual threats of note. Even Nolan has relied on good service. We have no one who can pick up the ball in the opposition half and make a goal himself.
I think Danny Guthrie is the only player this season who has made a run with the ball that ended with a cracking shot. But with him on the flank, he doesn't get the chance to cut down the middle enough. He looks uncomfortable on the wing despite putting in some stellar crosses his last couple games. I wish we could push him to the middle again.
Honestly, Nolan isn't getting forward these last few matches. He has 3 goals in November and December (played in 8.5 matches). By contrast, he scored 7 in the previous 14 games.
Quote:lostmekeys
lest try raylor at right back again, with guthrie ahead. these two make more chances for others than anyone else. i also liked lovenkrands, so maybe he should start with shola now that harewood has gone?
Raylor and Guthrie are the only two players with the ability to cross the ball and the only two players with the ability to strike a dead ball.
I don't like Raylor at Right Back as he tends to get caught out of position way more often than he should. However, I thought his set pieces today were quite effective and I always feel we're missing that threat from corners and free kicks when he's not on the pitch.
Getting Raylor and Guthrie onto the pitch at the same time with a 4-4-2 is difficult. It forces Raylor to play at Right back, which is the problem. In a reversion to the 4-4-1-1 it's doable as Raylor can play the Right Flank, Guthrie in the middle, and Nolan as CF, but Ameobi and Carroll have had decent form recently, Lovenkrands is our only real pace on t and we had trouble scoring in that formation during October.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:12:29:05:14:29 by waffles.
Agree with you waffles and just posted something similar about Nolan and the midfield. Its hard for me to say the things as we have been doing so well and better than I could ever have thought, but..... this has been coming for a good few games now and like LMK said the other day we havnt been steam rolling teams week in week out.
With our defence we can afford to be more attacking, espec when we have either Smith or Butt sitting.
Sitting back has never been our style.
With our defence we can afford to be more attacking, espec when we have either Smith or Butt sitting.
Sitting back has never been our style.
so lets play ryan at right back, we can cope so long as the other three defenders are fit and well. what we lose as a defender we more than gain as a force going forward and at set peices
The choice between Raylor and Simpson can be made on a game-by-game basis. There are sides in this division whose LW don't pose enough of a threat to preclude Raylor playing in the back four. I wouldn't mind him starting on the wing, either, with Guthrie in the middle with Smith, Jonas on the left, Shola up top and Nolan right off of him: 4-4-1-1.
My god...it's almost like there's a selection crisis...not based on injuries...right here at NUFC!!!
My god...it's almost like there's a selection crisis...not based on injuries...right here at NUFC!!!
yeah, what a nice problem to have. remember the selection problems we had in early november?
Quote:tunyc
The choice between Raylor and Simpson can be made on a game-by-game basis. There are sides in this division whose LW don't pose enough of a threat to preclude Raylor playing in the back four. I wouldn't mind him starting on the wing, either, with Guthrie in the middle with Smith, Jonas on the left, Shola up top and Nolan right off of him: 4-4-1-1.
My god...it's almost like there's a selection crisis...not based on injuries...right here at NUFC!!!
Quote:lostmekeys
yeah, what a nice problem to have. remember the selection problems we had in early november?
We have depth in the midfield. Newcastle United has depth in the midfield. Think about that statement for a moment. Do it. Your head will begin to hurt after 20 seconds or so.
Last season we couldn't decide who to put in the midfield because every option sucked.
Yes, half our midfielders won't cut it in the PL, but for the time being, we have 6-8 viable healthy options at the moment: Jonas, Smith, Nolan, Guthrie, Raylor, Pancrate, Lovenkrands (though he's been playing up top all year), Butt. Barton comes back in a couple weeks.
Hell, we can't even decide who to start up front. Carroll, Ranger, Lovenkrands, and Ameobi.
Ameobi is scoring goals. Foluwashola Ameobi is scoring goals! Think about that one for a moment. It'll hurt your head after 10 seconds.
By a distance we have the best team in the league, midfield we have loads of options and unless we get a creative midfielder then R.Taylor needs to plays in midfield, as he becomes unstuck in defence. If we get stuck then stick him back but I would look at the kids first
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