By Tyne-Talk
January 31 2009

Sunderland go to Newcastle tomorrow hoping to build on their midweek win against Fulham and the gap between 13th where they currently sit just 3 points short of the drop zone. Newcastle however hosts the 130th Tyne-Wear league derby with numerous injuries as well as contending with the ever present threat of a relegation battle. With just 3 points and 4 places separating the two sides, tomorrows match couldn't be more important.

Joe Kinnear will be keeping his fingers crossed that new signing Kevin Nolan will be available to bolster the midfield, however he may have wait before debuting the former Bolton player as the transfer is yet to be fully completed. He will also struggle to find strikers fit enough to play 90minutes.

Andy Carroll is likely to start upfront with Jonas Gutierrez after Michael Owen was ruled out for at least 6 weeks against Manchester City in midweek with an ankle injury. Barton will also be unavailable after picking up a metatarsal injury he too will be out for a minimum of 6 weeks and Steve Harper will replaced Shay Given in goal.

Kinnear has the following injury problems;

Kinnear will also be without Charles N'Zogbia as he is in the process of offloading the Frenchman to Wigan.

Newcastle have won none of their last 6 games, and have drawn just 1, whilst Sunderland have won 2 and drawn 2.

Sunderland will be without defender Paul McShane who has a hamstring injury and midfielder Teemu Tainio is also a doubt after picking up a knee injury midweek.

Kieron Richardson is ready to return after recovering from an ankle injury and George McCarthy is likely to feature.

Match Preview/Thread/Stats: Newcastle v Sunderland

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31/01/2009 17:09

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DaraghL
31/01/2009 17:29

my guess 2-1 tot the toon i really hope we win this 1 if we dont were in trouble

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nathan robinson
31/01/2009 17:33

Bolton 3-2 Tottenham
Fulham 3-1 Portsmouth
Hull 2-2 West Brom
Middlesbrough 0-0 Blackburn
Stoke 1-0 Man City

Could have done with these 5 games all ending in draws but we're not that lucky, though at least still out of the bottom 3. We must win tomorrow to take us up to 13th and then beat West Brom next weekend too, with Man United, Arsenal and Chelsea all coming to St James' in the next 8 games we really need wins in the next 4 fixtures which is definitely possible.

Think we should play a 4-2-3-1 tomorrow

Harper

Taylor Colo Bassong Enrique

Geremi Butt

Jonas Nolan Lovenkrands

Carroll

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MissC
31/01/2009 17:38

Not sure if nolan is available.

Mention that the paperwork isnt quite complete

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nathan robinson
31/01/2009 17:40

Would suck if he isn't available, but if not Lovenkrands in his place and Duff on the left of the 3 instead. Looks like there'll be a few youngsters on the bench again or some not 100% players.

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annie
31/01/2009 18:07

We have to win this game or we really are in trouble. How we are going to do this with all those injuries I don't know.
I'm hoping for a win, 1-0 to us.
C'mon th Toon.

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nathan robinson
31/01/2009 18:10

Newcastle 3 - 2 Sunderland is what I'm going for.

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ToonBart
31/01/2009 20:54

Heart wants a win, Head says with the personell avaialable were going to be chasing shadows all afternoon.

No Pace
No Heart
No Skill

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tunyc
31/01/2009 22:06

2-1 to the Toon, hoping Kinnear picks a young squad and an adrenaline-fueled performance nicks a win.

But Jonas up top? He'll run his socks off but the boy can barely finish his lunch. If Nolan is available we should play with one striker and our new boy just behind him.

Harper

Taylor Colo Bassong Enrique

Jonas Butt Duff Lovenkrandts

Nolan

Carroll

or something like that, or maybe 4-3-3.

And what's this I'm reading about Guthrie having a hamstring injury that may keep him out for the rest of the season?

In any event, HOWAY THE LADS!!

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Omar_786
31/01/2009 23:21

we are gonna win this one ... minimum will be a draw

if bassong can keep cisse quiet were in hope


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ToonBart
01/02/2009 00:07

Think the team will be;

Harper

Taylor Colochini Bassong Enrique

Jonas Butt Nolan Lovehandles

Caroll Duff

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ToonBart
01/02/2009 00:20

Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray the Lord my soul to keep
If I should die before I wake
I pray the toon, three points to take

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Jaryd
01/02/2009 01:23

Harper
Taylor - Coloccini - Bassong - Enrique
Jonas - Butt - Nolan - Duff
Carrol - Lovenkrands

SUBS:
Forster
Tozer
Geremi
LuaLua
Ranger
Smith
Edgar

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Omar_786
01/02/2009 01:35

cmon you dirty makems i cant wait for this match to start


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nathan robinson
01/02/2009 12:54

NEWCASTLE v SUNDERLAND LINE-UPS
Newcastle: Harper, Taylor, Bassong, Coloccini, Jose Enrique, Gutierrez, Butt, Nolan, Duff, Carroll, Ameobi.Subs: Krul, Xisco, Geremi, Lovenkrands, Edgar, LuaLua, Donaldson.

Sunderland: Fulop, Bardsley, Ferdinand, Collins, McCartney, Edwards, Whitehead, Richardson, Malbranque, Cisse, Jones. Subs: Colgan, Murphy, Chopra, Leadbitter, Yorke, Reid, Healy.

Referee: Howard Webb (S Yorkshire)

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i!
01/02/2009 14:06

@#$%&


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annie
01/02/2009 14:06

FFS

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DaraghL
01/02/2009 14:21

rnique has seriously stepped up his game hes been fantastic carroll has done well ameobi has been s***

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cappen
01/02/2009 14:26

Jonas and Enrique been linking up well but the crossing has been poor. Duff has done nothing, get Lovenkrandts onr someone else on.

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6 - 4 - f
01/02/2009 14:26

1 - 0 half time

we lost as long as we got ameobi on the pitch ...some of the chances we had through him .. he is sooooooooooo slow .... how old is he 40 .

long ball ater long ball ....... bring on loveonkrands for ameobi ...or we lost this .

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shotgun723
01/02/2009 14:36

can anyone explain to me why JoKe decided to play both Duff and Jonas on the wing opposite their natural foot? seems to me both men have only been moving to the middle clogging business up!

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annie
01/02/2009 14:37

No 6 - 4 - f, Shola's only about 27 /28 he only runs about as if he's 40.

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i!
01/02/2009 14:59

YEAH!


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faheemusa
01/02/2009 14:59

SHOLA!

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annie
01/02/2009 14:59

Fantastic! 50th goal for Shola.

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shotgun723
01/02/2009 15:01

credit to the full backs today....taylor and enrique have been giving sunderland much more trouble than either winger

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annie
01/02/2009 15:27

1-1

Our passing and crossing was DISGRACEFUL!

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OnTheLevee
01/02/2009 15:29

Not a bad performance.. But we really need to start getting more than a draw with these performances.. We need to start winning games especially at home.. Lets be honest we will get relegated if we can't win these games..

If only Enrique and Jonas could start finding that killer ball they could be two of the most dangerous left sided players in the prem..

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CNDShearerFan16
01/02/2009 15:31

Quote:

OnTheLevee
Not a bad performance.. But we really need to start getting more than a draw with these performances.. We need to start winning games especially at home.. Lets be honest we will get relegated if we can't win these games..
If only Enrique and Jonas could start finding that killer ball they could be two of the most dangerous left sided players in the prem..

Couldn't agree more. Enrique and Jonas need to learn when and how to pass!

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Tweek
01/02/2009 15:33

Woeful, We are lucky that Cisse got injured. Second half was an improvement but were gunna get murdered against decent opposition.

Bassong looked strong and the full backs worked hard. But Shola "barn door" ameobi was useless.

Hopefully Lovenkrandts will start soon and give us some much needed pace.

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cappen
01/02/2009 15:38

From the few minutes Lovenkrandts (sp) was on, he seems to be able to cross the ball... get him to teach the rest of our team...

Nolan had a solid debut..cleared off the line in the first half..Ryan Taylor hopefully to sign today to tomorrow.

Then we still need a striker and another midfielder.

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faheemusa
01/02/2009 16:21

Taylor will be a huge addition as far as dead balls are concerned. Butt did manage to get a couple over the first man but out of how many? Do we not make players practice these situations?

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ToonBart
01/02/2009 17:22

Team Performance

Harper ok did fine
Taylor Very good, outshone duff and defended well.
Colochini Very good.
Bassong Very Good
Enrique Very Good, should have more confidence and shoot
Duff Disgrace to the shirt, please get rid.
Butt Not the worst but past it.
Nolan Very very average, but early days
Jonas Ran socks off, but headless chicken most of the time.
Carrol Worked hard but shouldnt be near the first team yet.
Ameobi Disgrace to the shirt, I will get very drunk and dance like a fairy the day Newcastle is rid of this player.

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Joe
01/02/2009 17:35

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Jonas Ran socks off, but headless chicken most of the time.

Are you for real???

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ToonBart
01/02/2009 17:46

Yes

Your point is what exactly?

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6 - 4 - f
01/02/2009 18:52

what game were you watching mate...coloccini very good?....he almost cost us the match and was always beaten very easilly .....

jonas headless chickejn most of the time?...... he was easilly the best tackler (probably even more then the defenders at times) and he was also the one that ran at the defence of sunderland at every opportunity and never gave them a moment of piece...

duff disgrace ? ....i know he wasnt as effective as usual ...but his workrate is also praise worthy and also his loyalty . he works hard then most ( unlike enrique who loses his man and the ball ends uop in the back of our net)

bassong is something special .... and not long b4 arsrnal or somebody will notice him.

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ToonBart
01/02/2009 19:00

Some fans need to get real. We are 1 point off automatic relegation and have only won five games all season.

Overall we have a really@#$%&team with a few potentially decent players. Note the word potential.

I love Martins like a lot of fans, but the scorer of great goals and not a great goal scorer is a very true statement.

More importantly with jonas and duff. What have they done. Like Dyer, but to a lesser extent, they run and run and run and run but virtually never ever ever produce a killer ball. This is one of the reasons we are 1 POINT OFF RELEGATION.

How many times do they run into the corner area and play triangular passes with team mates before NOT managing to cross the ball or at best hitting the first man.

This is not a conspiracy, they are just not good enough, at present. Duff is finished where as Jonas is one of those players who needs to be brought on and learn to pass. Dont think he will learn that at Newcastle.

Just wish people would get real. We're@#$%&and we're sick of it.

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Joe
01/02/2009 19:16

I'm quite aware that we are one point off relegation sherlock but we are talking about the performances from todays game. Jonas was a thorn in Sunderlands side for most of the game...most of our creative play came from him and as well as this he also made numerous crucial tackles and won us several set pieces. Its good to see such a creative player put the work in and track back when needed. All of this on the left too when he prefers to play on the right.

If this makes him a headless chicken then we better start cutting cause I'd like a few more.

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shotgun723
01/02/2009 19:44

Joe, while I do agree that Jonas gave mackems more trouble than Ashley gives a buffet, there is no question his final ball left much to be desired throughout the match, although I think that can be attributed more to joe placing him on the wrong wing. Colo is another story, he was shockingly dreadful today, including keeping cisse onside by being half a mile deep of the rest of the back line, I'm not really sure what has happened to the Argentine we saw earlier in the campaign.

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i!
01/02/2009 19:46

He is right though, we have two wingers who simply do not have the ability to cross a ball, what use is someone like Andy Carroll when we don't have that?


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ToonBart
01/02/2009 19:47

I have no problem with his work rate or his tackling or his attacking, just his final ball. Does all the hard work not the simple work. Pass it Jonas.

A goal would be nice too.

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ToonBart
01/02/2009 19:49

I think Colochini is just shot. Its been a tough welcome to the premiership and if im not mistaken, he's played every game.

First season in the epl is hard enough without the added pressure of playing in our ramshackle side this year.

Overall tho I think he has been a positive in the side.

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shotgun723
01/02/2009 19:53

I'm pretty sure I have about as much a nose for goal as Jonas. We need to teach the lad to cross and pass, and then find targets for him in the middle.Not every team needs CRonaldo at the wing, doing everything, but when all of his runs end with either a wild kick off the first man or a free kick earned also, surprise, off the first man, then it makes his speed and ball skills worthless.

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i!
01/02/2009 19:54

Probably give Bassong and Taylor the centre back spots next week if we get the other Taylor in tomorrow.

Having 2 Taylor's could prove a bit confusing.


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shotgun723
01/02/2009 20:00

good point bart....Colo is very deserving of a break, and luckily we seem to be able to afford that on the back line, if not anywhere else. Though Taylor seemed shaky at center back after Edgar came on, I still feel confident he can take care of business, though we will miss the push he gave us today from full back (christ that is sad!)

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ToonBart
01/02/2009 20:14

Yea, it is sad but its true. He was one of our best attacking players today, pushing on down the line where walkabout Duff should have been.

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lostmekeys
01/02/2009 22:31

no-one else embarrassed for taylor AGAIN today? he started off great, best i have seen from him at right back, but that pen was a shocker, and he went to bits afterwards, pulling pushing falling and flailing.
total liability. if he could cut the nonsense he'd do well, bit the fact is he's nailed on to have a rush of blood every week.

colo, should have put the ball out once or twice when he chose to shepperd the forward instead...only to be brushed aside at the crucial moment. luckily for him the sunlun forwards messed up a few chances he gifted them.

jonas, fantastic, he held the ball, ran with it, all effort and heart, but did he hurt them? all his best work was too far wide, or too deep. no-one came short to help, and it was clear he couldnt cross with his left. maybe one of the strikers could have come short once or twice instead of going behind 6 defenders to the far post...

got to mention enrique, particularly when things werent going well in the first half he showed great technique to halt attacks and get us going forward. one swallow may not make a summer, but maybe we saw what he is all about. close control, sharp passing and good vision on the ball, hard to beat in defence. we still need a left back, but maybe he'll take something from today into future games.

we didnt lose. shamefully, thats enough today

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annie
01/02/2009 23:16

I have to agree with ToonBart about Duff and Jonas passing the ball in small triangles - I almost lost my voices shouting at the telly. Why didn't they kick the ball in to the box where there were other lads waiting.

Jonas made many good tackles but his passes and crosses like most of the team were @#$%& DISGRACEFUL.
As for Duff, he's rightly named.

I was ashamed of Taylor, draw or no draw, I don't want to see such blatant diving from our team.

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ToonBart
02/02/2009 00:56

Just been watching torres first goal for liverpool on motd.

Its so easy isnt it. Good ball out to the winger, good first time cross and a good header. Lovely.

Got to put a little mention in as well for Lovehandles who I thought livened us up when he came on.

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Omar_786
02/02/2009 01:11

having quality on the pitch matters ...when you got shola n caroll up front you cant expect miracles

if we had the makems front pairing we would be scoring goals for fun

we need oba, owen, viduka on the pitch at the same time for atleast 5 games is that too hard to ask for


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senyabtoon
02/02/2009 09:50

I was ashamed of Taylor, draw or no draw, I don't want to see such blatant diving from our team. (Annie)

Would normally agree but in derby games players with local roots i expect them to do whatever it takes and its not like Taylor is know for going down easily so i think its fair to say he let the game get to him a bit as his performance showed

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ToonBart
02/02/2009 09:57

Alwats has me in fits when they show that clip of Taylor doing the dying swan on MOTD.

Anyway, rather it was Tayls winninging a penalty than K JONES.

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senyabtoon
02/02/2009 10:02

hehehehe forgotten about that it is funny as f**k that is

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