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Match Discussion: Braintree Town (H)
By Deadly Submarine
December 3 2015
A place for fans of both Tranmere Rovers and Braintree Town to discuss Saturday afternoon's upcoming match at Prenton Park......
Following last weekend's 0-0 draw away at Boreham Wood in the National League, our match discussion thread returns once again as Rovers prepare to host Braintree Town on Saturday for the first time ever. Tranmere are going into the game looking to make it back-to-back home wins following the 2-1 victory over Guiseley a fortnight ago.
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Nothing less than a good win will satisfy the fans. No more excuses about spoiling tactics and "parking the bus". We should have had sufficient experience by now to be able to get the better of these teams. Despite the phrophets of doom and despair We are 6 points from a play-off position with 23 games to go. Let's get behind the team from the off.
If any of our fans start getting on the backs of the players during the game, please bear in mind that's exactly what Braintree will want, so you will play straight into their hands.
Here's to a good victory.
If any of our fans start getting on the backs of the players during the game, please bear in mind that's exactly what Braintree will want, so you will play straight into their hands.
Here's to a good victory.
3-0 win with support very vocal from the beginning right to the end! No abuse please.
I can assure you both Coltran and Eric that unfortunately how ever well or badly we play there will be abuse hurled at both players and management within minutes of kick off from a section of 'supporters' in the Town End. I lose the will to live sitting there having to put up with there moronic comments!!!
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It's annoying as the first few months of the season we had a positive vibe about the place seems it's all gone back to miserable Prenton again. Think with a couple of back to back wins at home we can get that feeling back ! Got to win on sat, just got to!
A good one for the treble chance. A good opportunity to take 3 points off a team above us in the league. We can't afford to lose this one. If Jake Kirby is in the starting line-up and is on form it could be the shot in the arm we need. I'll be worried if Jay Harris isn't playing though.
Seems Brabin thinking it's going to tough game on Saturday,they been working all week on the training ground they have gone back to basic's to be ready for Braintree. Good job Braintree are part timer's and not full time or Brabin would be talking this game up.
Sad ain't it hard game's we're once playing West Ham in the league not Braintree shows how will have fallen even so we should be better than these teams.
Sad ain't it hard game's we're once playing West Ham in the league not Braintree shows how will have fallen even so we should be better than these teams.
What the hell is going back to basics, trying to put the round thing into the net thingy
Game will be off weather warning issued for Saturday gale force winds forecast for afternoon.
I'm hoping it's going to be called off. I'd rather spend a weekend without football and then go to a rearanged midweek game than watch one of those farces where it's so windy one of the the keepers can't even get the goal kicks out of his area while the other one can't keep them on the pitch!
I hope its not called off because if it is we're am I going to get my 1 hour 45 minutes of frustration fix from
Looking positive 2-0 for Tranmere we have a good squad we just need a bit of luck with our many goal attempts.
lose and they are 6 points ahead of us with a game in hand, im going for 1 1
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lose and they are 6 points ahead of us with a game in hand, im going for 1 1
That's ambitious. 11 goals for Tranmere, I like your style.
Admittedly I realise that was not your sentiment.
I'll be happy with a 1-0. You only need 1-0 to get 3 points, so as far as I'm concerned if they could even manage a couple of 1-0's and a draw from the next 3, they'd be getting a bit of form going.
Although if they feel like finding some 4 goal in a match scoring ability like they have done this season, I wouldn't be unhappy if they did.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
Agree with the need for the crowd to be supportive. Leave the whining / whingeing till later if you feel the need to be "constructive"
Ready made windy excuse for Brabin, against the second best defence in NL this season, 10 clean sheets and 18 goals conceded in 22, coupled with our outstanding record of scoring lately. Hopefully Mangan and Norwood upfront with GTF out.
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Happy with that team really. Pin them back with a 4-4-2 formation.
Come on boys!
Come on boys!
Rubbish first half again. Let's hope for a better second half.
Every ball is a white ball............TRFC
Every ball is a white ball............TRFC
Hopefully Argyle taxis have a pick up at 4.45 from PP going one way thru the tunnel !!!
Sick of being miserable at Prenton! Something needs changing and fast !
More ashamed of the morons in the kop then the game, get lost and go wear your red shirts in pub tomorrow. Complete idiots.
I wouldnt bother playing in front of that, they arent real supporters and i dont care if you been watching since 1950 or say paid to watch that was embrassing to hear . Do us a favour and dont come to watch.
I wouldnt bother playing in front of that, they arent real supporters and i dont care if you been watching since 1950 or say paid to watch that was embrassing to hear . Do us a favour and dont come to watch.
I joined in the your not fit to wear the shirt chant. Moment of madness maybe. I've stuck with it but today sent me over the edge. It's not working and is getting worse
Quote:Yup it makes a @#$%& situation worse.ming05
More ashamed of the morons in the kop then the game, get lost and go wear your red shirts in pub tomorrow. Complete idiots.
I wouldnt bother playing in front of that, they arent real supporters and i dont care if you been watching since 1950 or say paid to watch that was embrassing to hear . Do us a favour and dont come to watch.
These results are too depressing for words! At this rate we are going to end up in a fight to stay in this league as opposed to trying to get out of it.
Quote:ArmaghwhiteQuote:Yup it makes a @#$%& situation worse.ming05
More ashamed of the morons in the kop then the game, get lost and go wear your red shirts in pub tomorrow. Complete idiots.
I wouldnt bother playing in front of that, they arent real supporters and i dont care if you been watching since 1950 or say paid to watch that was embrassing to hear . Do us a favour and dont come to watch.
But it's only a symptom of the problem and not the cause.
Quote:Or maybe they are part of the problem!Kenny_CronsQuote:ArmaghwhiteQuote:Yup it makes a @#$%& situation worse.ming05
More ashamed of the morons in the kop then the game, get lost and go wear your red shirts in pub tomorrow. Complete idiots.
I wouldnt bother playing in front of that, they arent real supporters and i dont care if you been watching since 1950 or say paid to watch that was embrassing to hear . Do us a favour and dont come to watch.
But it's only a symptom of the problem and not the cause.
Quote:ArmaghwhiteQuote:Or maybe they are part of the problem!Kenny_CronsQuote:ArmaghwhiteQuote:Yup it makes a @#$%& situation worse.ming05
More ashamed of the morons in the kop then the game, get lost and go wear your red shirts in pub tomorrow. Complete idiots.
I wouldnt bother playing in front of that, they arent real supporters and i dont care if you been watching since 1950 or say paid to watch that was embrassing to hear . Do us a favour and dont come to watch.
But it's only a symptom of the problem and not the cause.
Not from what I have seen this season.
Fans complain when things aren't going well and things are clearly not going well. Then comments get made about the atmosphere being toxic but it's because of results.
We have been mostly rubbish this season against inferior opposition and whilst I don't vent too much at the game, some people do.
Quote:ArmaghwhiteQuote:Or maybe they are part of the problem!Kenny_CronsQuote:ArmaghwhiteQuote:Yup it makes a @#$%& situation worse.ming05
More ashamed of the morons in the kop then the game, get lost and go wear your red shirts in pub tomorrow. Complete idiots.
I wouldnt bother playing in front of that, they arent real supporters and i dont care if you been watching since 1950 or say paid to watch that was embrassing to hear . Do us a favour and dont come to watch.
But it's only a symptom of the problem and not the cause.
Think most fans are just depressed with life at Prenton , most sit quietly and take it. Others like to get on their backs . if we were winning games at home on a regular basis, the fan experience would be a different world than currently . I was looking around the faces in the crowd today and my god there's some sour faces on the terraces. The most entertaining moment was when the ball went out of play and our fan kicked the ball in the air to a raptous clap from the main stand....
Quote:TranmereFanQuote:ArmaghwhiteQuote:Or maybe they are part of the problem!Kenny_CronsQuote:ArmaghwhiteQuote:Yup it makes a @#$%& situation worse.ming05
More ashamed of the morons in the kop then the game, get lost and go wear your red shirts in pub tomorrow. Complete idiots.
I wouldnt bother playing in front of that, they arent real supporters and i dont care if you been watching since 1950 or say paid to watch that was embrassing to hear . Do us a favour and dont come to watch.
But it's only a symptom of the problem and not the cause.
Think most fans are just depressed with life at Prenton , most sit quietly and take it. Others like to get on their backs . if we were winning games at home on a regular basis, the fan experience would be a different world than currently . I was looking around the faces in the crowd today and my god there's some sour faces on the terraces. The most entertaining moment was when the ball went out of play and our fan kicked the ball in the air to a raptous clap from the main stand....
Spot on
For 88 mins I am afraid we were 100% outclassed, outplayed, outfought, out thought, outpassed and the outlook on current form is the Conference North. No motivation, no tactics, no shape, no movement, no leadership, no second ball winners and the outlook no hope.
I don't need to do my post its just been done by Grahamp......
Every ball is a white ball............TRFC
Every ball is a white ball............TRFC
The biggest cheer was when the ball boy managed to pass it straight to davies from the cow shed stand which sums it up for me some people didn't even get up off there seats when the wind scored😂
We are, sadly, clueless. We switch off defensively far too often and concede poor goals, we are second to every ball, too many can't pass to another white shirt and others overly complicate things, we're throwing high balls up to forwards who can't hold the ball up and hitting deep crosses that defenders gobble up for breakfast. As far as goal scoring goes we seem to switch between trying to walk the ball in and aimless long shots with little in between.
There's no drive, little thought and no desire to impose ourselves on the opposition. I'm not sure theres a plan B, hell, I'm not certain theres a plan A. The only positive I can thing of is that we are fairly well organised as a unit.
But make no mistake we are still better than Braintree. If, and it is a big if, we can sort ourselves out and get things going in the right direction we will fly through this league. Not this year though.
Having got the lucky early goal I thought, at last, that's the break we need, but then gift the opposition a goal and the momentum straight back. Something is clearly majorly wrong. Whether or not he deserves the blame (I put today squarely on the players), maybe it is time for someone else to have a go.
The players deserved every bit of booing at half and full time, but not the abuse hurled at some during the game.
It was obvious how much playing at PP meant to a tin-pot outfit like Braintree, its about time the same amount effort was shown by our players.
There's no drive, little thought and no desire to impose ourselves on the opposition. I'm not sure theres a plan B, hell, I'm not certain theres a plan A. The only positive I can thing of is that we are fairly well organised as a unit.
But make no mistake we are still better than Braintree. If, and it is a big if, we can sort ourselves out and get things going in the right direction we will fly through this league. Not this year though.
Having got the lucky early goal I thought, at last, that's the break we need, but then gift the opposition a goal and the momentum straight back. Something is clearly majorly wrong. Whether or not he deserves the blame (I put today squarely on the players), maybe it is time for someone else to have a go.
The players deserved every bit of booing at half and full time, but not the abuse hurled at some during the game.
It was obvious how much playing at PP meant to a tin-pot outfit like Braintree, its about time the same amount effort was shown by our players.
Quote:in a nutshellGrahamp516
For 88 mins I am afraid we were 100% outclassed, outplayed, outfought, out thought, outpassed and the outlook on current form is the Conference North. No motivation, no tactics, no shape, no movement, no leadership, no second ball winners and the outlook no hope.
we have some moronic fans but that does not remotely explain the way in which the season is going from bad to worse.I have not favoured the manager must go approach and I expected us to take time to gel and hence did not expect promotion this year. But there really is a pressing need to turn form around. We have a big cushion in terms of relegation but the way we are playing it will be needed.
For me the optimism at the start of the season was because I looked forward to a season when we would not have to struggle. Regardless of whether we are threatened by relegation this is descending into as joyless a season as those of recent years. It is difficult to put it down to injuries when we struggle against teams with smaller a squads. The last six weeks have been so bad that it is tempting to speculate about the unity of the dressing room. The ope was that the experience of Fletcher Taylor and McNulty would add a touch of know how but that is far from the case. This is not a squad of novices finding their feet and for that reason I begin to fear that this is as good as it is going to be
For me the optimism at the start of the season was because I looked forward to a season when we would not have to struggle. Regardless of whether we are threatened by relegation this is descending into as joyless a season as those of recent years. It is difficult to put it down to injuries when we struggle against teams with smaller a squads. The last six weeks have been so bad that it is tempting to speculate about the unity of the dressing room. The ope was that the experience of Fletcher Taylor and McNulty would add a touch of know how but that is far from the case. This is not a squad of novices finding their feet and for that reason I begin to fear that this is as good as it is going to be
Better than Branitree? how exactly it was 2-1 to them! game plan was spot on! Their no.10 run rings around us, and most even clapped him off including me!
Im sick of hearing we are better than this team better than that team better than that team, we didnt deserve to loose, they did this, the ref did tha, its a new team, well Cheltenham have a new team and its not stopping them, We are pants the manager has no plan unless his plan is to have no plan. You get what you deserve in football and He must go and im fed up pwying to watch rot.
Quote:absolutely spot on. Ok their game plan was excellent and they carried it out exceptionally to a man. But this notion I keep seeing that we have some kind of national league all star squad is ridiculous. I see not one jot of evidence that supports this common myth that we have the best players in this league it's just complete and utter garbageTranmereFan
Better than Branitree? how exactly it was 2-1 to them! game plan was spot on! Their no.10 run rings around us, and most even clapped him off including me!
Quote:in a nutshellHiggosboots
Im sick of hearing we are better than this team better than that team better than that team, we didnt deserve to loose, they did this, the ref did tha, its a new team, well Cheltenham have a new team and its not stopping them, We are pants the manager has no plan unless his plan is to have no plan. You get what you deserve in football and He must go and im fed up pwying to watch rot.
Quote:Wozza
The biggest cheer was when the ball boy managed to pass it straight to davies from the cow shed stand
was hoping that the match sponsors might have picked him today as MofM,maybe Deadly could include him in our vote.
Quote:TranmereFan
Sick of being miserable at Prenton! Something needs changing and fast !
We've got new doors on the exit door from the Bunny Ball bar .
Quote:Grahamp516
For 88 mins I am afraid we were 100% outclassed, outplayed, outfought, out thought, outpassed and the outlook on current form is the Conference North. No motivation, no tactics, no shape, no movement, no leadership, no second ball winners and the outlook no hope.
And they gave us a one goal start with the early own goal. They were the better team from start to finish and should have won by three or four goals.That's why they were applauded off by a sizeable number of fans and we deservedly were not.
Quote:InflatableboneQuote:Wozza
The biggest cheer was when the ball boy managed to pass it straight to davies from the cow shed stand
was hoping that the match sponsors might have picked him today as MofM,maybe Deadly could include him in our vote.
Their choice was bizarre.
Quote:Doogie'sGhost
We are, sadly, clueless. We switch off defensively far too often and concede poor goals, we are second to every ball, too many can't pass to another white shirt and others overly complicate things, we're throwing high balls up to forwards who can't hold the ball up and hitting deep crosses that defenders gobble up for breakfast. As far as goal scoring goes we seem to switch between trying to walk the ball in and aimless long shots with little in between.
There's no drive, little thought and no desire to impose ourselves on the opposition. I'm not sure theres a plan B, hell, I'm not certain theres a plan A. The only positive I can thing of is that we are fairly well organised as a unit.
But make no mistake we are still better than Braintree. If, and it is a big if, we can sort ourselves out and get things going in the right direction we will fly through this league. Not this year though.
Having got the lucky early goal I thought, at last, that's the break we need, but then gift the opposition a goal and the momentum straight back. Something is clearly majorly wrong. Whether or not he deserves the blame (I put today squarely on the players), maybe it is time for someone else to have a go.
The players deserved every bit of booing at half and full time, but not the abuse hurled at some during the game.
It was obvious how much playing at PP meant to a tin-pot outfit like Braintree, its about time the same amount effort was shown by our players.
Sorry but that's deeply insulting to Braintree who were streets ahead of us in all departments today[from manager downwards-in fact include their chairman for spending lots of time pre match talking amiably with a number of our fans]
At half time Shaun Garnett came out and asked Kirby and Dawson to come to the dressing room. So we assumed two subs. Dawson came on but Kirby disappeared and Brabin never showed any indication or inclination that he was going to use a second or third sub. Braintree used all three of theirs-did Brabin really think that we were playing so well that the same eleven should stay on for the second half?
His treatment of Kirby-baffling. Will do wonders for Jakes confidence-not.
His treatment of Kirby-baffling. Will do wonders for Jakes confidence-not.
Its good to see all is well though big issues addressed on the website, like fanzone & Christmas Signing day, all the important issues covered their then.
Quote:Michaael Ihiekwe must be feeling good too called up for England c injured and Mcnulty signed in his positionHoots Mon
At half time Shaun Garnett came out and asked Kirby and Dawson to come to the dressing room. So we assumed two subs. Dawson came on but Kirby disappeared and Brabin never showed any indication or inclination that he was going to use a second or third sub. Braintree used all three of theirs-did Brabin really think that we were playing so well that the same eleven should stay on for the second half?
His treatment of Kirby-baffling. Will do wonders for Jakes confidence-not.
For me, the number 30 and 10 were the best players on the park today. The first ran the midfield, and outgunned us in all departments especially midfield were we got overrun far too many times. And the thing for me we did nothing about stopping it!
Glad Dawson is back and I would have played the front four by choice of Dawson, Mekki, Norwood and Mangan! But we lost the game because we were just not good enough as a team around the park.
We didn't half miss Harris, Hogan and Riley!
Something has to change, especially the midfield two!
Glad Dawson is back and I would have played the front four by choice of Dawson, Mekki, Norwood and Mangan! But we lost the game because we were just not good enough as a team around the park.
We didn't half miss Harris, Hogan and Riley!
Something has to change, especially the midfield two!
The bottom line is when you are managing a club getting 4000+ in the conference the pressure is going to be on. Any player coming in thinking they will get a gentle 'do better if we lose' pat on the back is deluded - stick from the fans is inevitable unfortunately.
The current problem may well be poor tactics/man management but it started with 'sweety shop' signings in the summer. More specifically, starting the season with no right back and one unproven wide player was ridiculous. This mess started then, the squad was clearly unbalanced, and I was surprised that MP allowed the recruitment of players to pan out like this.
The current problem may well be poor tactics/man management but it started with 'sweety shop' signings in the summer. More specifically, starting the season with no right back and one unproven wide player was ridiculous. This mess started then, the squad was clearly unbalanced, and I was surprised that MP allowed the recruitment of players to pan out like this.
Wel well well, still no managers interview comments....read into that what you will...
Hoots, that tin pot outfit are 6 points ahead of us with a game in hand so what the hell does that make us.
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Hoots, that tin pot outfit are 6 points ahead of us with a game in hand so what the hell does that make us.
I thought they were anything but a tin pot outfit.They were rightly applauded off the pitch by our fans.
The last two comments on Total Tranmere twitter appear to be made by somebody who was at a different game to me.
Quote:TranmereFan
Wel well well, still no managers interview comments....read into that what you will...
See tonight's Liverpool Echo(web pages)Brabin day's he's the man for the job and will get it right,some players we're told by him some of the might not be here in January,so look's like Brabin going no where.
Yeah just recently read that, hes signed pretty much all the squad we have currently. So he better get it right in Jan. Or i can see sub 4k gates next year!
I am very disappointed with the way our form has nose dived and the fact that none of the players are panicking enough (reference Vaughan interview last week that there are plenty of games to go etc.).Although it maybe a confidence thing now getting beaten toe to toe by Braintree seems to say we are mismanaged ,team selection is wrong or none of the players are listening or care enough about getting beaten especially at home.I don't think we will get relegated but losing on a regular basis might force Palios's hand to act while the season can be saved.Unless Brabin can start a run to bring us back up the table and beat Wrexham next week he needs to step aside
D day has to be next week.
D day has to be next week.
I don't understand why people would possibly be having a go at the fans in the kop for their choice of chant on the final whistle! These fans pay money week in week out and from where i sit in the Jonny king these chants of your not fit to wear the shirt were not heard until the final whistle!!! We've seen our club in free fall for years being in the conference is bad enough but sliding down the conference is unacceptable! Brabin has has over half the season and have we really improved since our first game of the season? Not that I can see!!!!
Totally agree Davis887. We live in a democracy where freedom of speech should be applauded and encouraged. If others don't like supporters expressing their opinions go live in a country with no freedom of speech. To call them idiots and morons is pure ignorance. If others don't want these fans turning up then be content in the knowledge we will have equivalent home crowds to Braintree (the chants were also coming from the paddock and main stand). Don't shed any tears for cotton wool wrapped footballers who don't put in a shift. We were beaten by a team that gave 100 per cent effort, had excellent team spirit (including the coaching staff) and scored two well-taken goals on the day; three attributes we were sadly lacking. I was one of those left to applaud Braintrre off in recognition of their honest endeavour on the day and their deserved win. We could learn many lessons from these so-called "tin-pot outfits" who have put us to shame on numerous occasions this season. Let's stop pretending we're better than our position in the league at the moment; we have earned the right to be where we are. The push begins next week, or is it the week after! It had better be soon. I live in hope rather than expectation.
I wasn't at the match, but noticed that brabin had lost the team at Woking, so should have gone then.
However, having seen the goals, basic mistakes!!!!!!! Not picking up the free man from the throw in, then our midfield (from his run, it would have been the centre pair) not going with the runner who scored the first. For the second, Maynard had two opportunities to clear the ball, both times he rushed it and made a poor clearance, when the defence should have told him he had time and space to bring the ball under control.
Both goals are from lack of communication, you need a leader at the back (meant to be McNulty) and a leader in midfield (meant to be Jennings). Neither are doing their jobs of organising the players around them, as its brabin who put them there, he needs to deal with it.
Absolutely pefetic. I noticed the attendance was 4200 yesterday. If this continues, then we will be sub 4000 by Christmas, and a poor season will see us at about 3500 by the end of the season, might as well close a few stands .
However, having seen the goals, basic mistakes!!!!!!! Not picking up the free man from the throw in, then our midfield (from his run, it would have been the centre pair) not going with the runner who scored the first. For the second, Maynard had two opportunities to clear the ball, both times he rushed it and made a poor clearance, when the defence should have told him he had time and space to bring the ball under control.
Both goals are from lack of communication, you need a leader at the back (meant to be McNulty) and a leader in midfield (meant to be Jennings). Neither are doing their jobs of organising the players around them, as its brabin who put them there, he needs to deal with it.
Absolutely pefetic. I noticed the attendance was 4200 yesterday. If this continues, then we will be sub 4000 by Christmas, and a poor season will see us at about 3500 by the end of the season, might as well close a few stands .
I can understand people saying "Oh next year we can push on, I never expected promotion". But it's tortured hope, we're not a steady established mid table in the division side, we are sinking fast and have been for years. I'm sorry but if we finish outside the top 3 this year we will push on no where. Our performances aside other teams now see us as finished, we are the bedraggled former world heavy weight champ. He's still a big impressive looking guy but underneath he's athritic and has lost his punch. We are a joke to other teams in this league now and however big we perceive ourselves, we will recruit no decent players in the summer because who wants to emabark a jettisoned torpedoless submarine. We have managed to get a few decent names in this year on the come back stronger theme, but you have to say We couldn't even get the first choice for the managers role, he obviously spotted the huge hole in our portside in the summer. What will next years slogan be.....Marooned longer!
Quote:Phil65
Totally agree Davis887. We live in a democracy where freedom of speech should be applauded and encouraged. If others don't like supporters expressing their opinions go live in a country with no freedom of speech. To call them idiots and morons is pure ignorance. If others don't want these fans turning up then be content in the knowledge we will have equivalent home crowds to Braintree (the chants were also coming from the paddock and main stand). Don't shed any tears for cotton wool wrapped footballers who don't put in a shift. We were beaten by a team that gave 100 per cent effort, had excellent team spirit (including the coaching staff) and scored two well-taken goals on the day; three attributes we were sadly lacking. I was one of those left to applaud Braintrre off in recognition of their honest endeavour on the day and their deserved win. We could learn many lessons from these so-called "tin-pot outfits" who have put us to shame on numerous occasions this season. Let's stop pretending we're better than our position in the league at the moment; we have earned the right to be where we are. The push begins next week, or is it the week after! It had better be soon. I live in hope rather than expectation.
+1
The problem with having a go at the players en masses is that the better ones, the likes of Norwood and Harris will be the first to look somewhere else and will no doubt get snapped up.
I think Norwood is a proud man and was visibly upset near the end of the game when an effort didn't go in. After the game just before he went down the tunnel you could see he was gutted.
We have been in free fall for three years, five managers, hundreds of players but the same pattern.
Max Power was getting dog's abuse after a dip in form last year, just before our real slump. Now he's shining in league one. Have any of the 'I pay my money so I can say what I want' brigade given it a thought that barracking and getting on players back makes the problem worse? Probably not they'll say the player didn't care about his home town team but does about Wigan.
Or maybe they are so frustrated they've just got to let it out.
Our club has got something wrong at the core and it's not the players or managers. They're just the symptom.
I think Norwood is a proud man and was visibly upset near the end of the game when an effort didn't go in. After the game just before he went down the tunnel you could see he was gutted.
We have been in free fall for three years, five managers, hundreds of players but the same pattern.
Max Power was getting dog's abuse after a dip in form last year, just before our real slump. Now he's shining in league one. Have any of the 'I pay my money so I can say what I want' brigade given it a thought that barracking and getting on players back makes the problem worse? Probably not they'll say the player didn't care about his home town team but does about Wigan.
Or maybe they are so frustrated they've just got to let it out.
Our club has got something wrong at the core and it's not the players or managers. They're just the symptom.
If the players don't want to play for the club, then they should be playing for their own self pride surely?
They are supposed to be a hand picked group of specialists t this level aren't they?
The way thy are performing, I wouldn't put them up to stud chickens!
They are supposed to be professionals, and they are being out fought by part timers week in week out. Not acceptable sorry!
If I applied myself in the same manner I'd be sacked.
People are getting on their backs because they desrve it, simple as that.
Getting behind the team will have little or no impact at all.
They all need to be put up for transfer in January, and a new manager brought in to reassemble the team while there's enough games left to try and accomplish something.
Sounds harsh, but if they don't want to play for the club then they are no use to Tranmere Rovers!
They are supposed to be a hand picked group of specialists t this level aren't they?
The way thy are performing, I wouldn't put them up to stud chickens!
They are supposed to be professionals, and they are being out fought by part timers week in week out. Not acceptable sorry!
If I applied myself in the same manner I'd be sacked.
People are getting on their backs because they desrve it, simple as that.
Getting behind the team will have little or no impact at all.
They all need to be put up for transfer in January, and a new manager brought in to reassemble the team while there's enough games left to try and accomplish something.
Sounds harsh, but if they don't want to play for the club then they are no use to Tranmere Rovers!
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If the players don't want to play for the club, then they should be playing for their own self pride surely?
They are supposed to be a hand picked group of specialists t this level aren't they?
The way thy are performing, I wouldn't put them up to stud chickens!
They are supposed to be professionals, and they are being out fought by part timers week in week out. Not acceptable sorry!
If I applied myself in the same manner I'd be sacked.
People are getting on their backs because they desrve it, simple as that.
Getting behind the team will have little or no impact at all.
They all need to be put up for transfer in January, and a new manager brought in to reassemble the team while there's enough games left to try and accomplish something.
Sounds harsh, but if they don't want to play for the club then they are no use to Tranmere Rovers!
Some very valid points made in my opinion. However bad we may be at the moment, it seems uncanny that we are only 6 points away from a play-off position with half the season still to go.
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Some very valid points made in my opinion. However bad we may be at the moment, it seems uncanny that we are only 6 points away from a play-off position with half the season still to go.
16 points off the top spot though, where we should be fighting for!
Yeah I loved Max couldn't understand the abuse. Striker narrowly missing and showing his frustration near the end of the second half great. The reason strikers are having a hard time is lack of service from mid field they're too closely marked because of lack of creativity. Don't worry about drunken rant Im on leave tomorrow
Haha freedom of speech, in that case i can call people whatever i wish. My opinion is that the chants at the end of game was moronic . Thats my freedom of speech.
All agreed then - it's a@#$%&side just because of a few 'experienced players' have totally B*ll*cked the team. Brabin's selections have NOT worked, McN, T-F, Rideo & Jenno need to go, YOUNGER, faster players who will tackle rather than watch - and pass to a white shirt are needed. Take a thrill pill Mr Brabin, time to change the team NOW and try a different approach (only one sub used, poor tactics - Kirby should have played, where's the reserve forward he seems up for a place as he appears to be able to score constantly - and don't use the age thing Dean's debut was at 16). And what exactly does happen on the training ground because it doesn't show on the pitch. Injuries do not help - but as the manager you find replacements. I do not agree all the vocals at the end of the Brainless match were aimed at all players, I repeat - a few 'experienced players' have totally B*ll*cked the team.
I can't believe no-one has mentioned Maynard having a nightmare,he did @#$%& all apart from a few flicks,why didn't he put Kirby on? He's young ,hungry,on form & has a point to prove.
We had enough chances to at least draw that game,but our strikers need 10 shots to score a goal. Get rid of the players who aren't cutting it.Real Madrid had the Galacticos & won @#$%& all,just because you have the best players doesn't mean they will be good together
We had enough chances to at least draw that game,but our strikers need 10 shots to score a goal. Get rid of the players who aren't cutting it.Real Madrid had the Galacticos & won @#$%& all,just because you have the best players doesn't mean they will be good together
Our midfield is horribly unbalanced. There's no combination of two out of the three that works. Jennings and Harris are too similar and Maynard just isn't someone that can play in the two-man midfield. I can see how he could be effective in a three-man midfield but he just doesn't have good enough ball control for our current formation.
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Our midfield is horribly unbalanced. There's no combination of two out of the three that works. Jennings and Harris are too similar and Maynard just isn't someone that can play in the two-man midfield. I can see how he could be effective in a three-man midfield but he just doesn't have good enough ball control for our current formation.
Bromley at home and Wrexham away (until Jennings was brought on) say different.
Harris and Maynard in central midfield in both of those games.
Jennings is the problem.
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Haha freedom of speech, in that case i can call people whatever i wish. My opinion is that the chants at the end of game was moronic . Thats my freedom of speech.
Ah! Blind faith, this primitive instinct still exists. Let's banish all those who dare to insult our faith!
On the subject of moronic I think you meant "the chants at the end of the game were moronic". Good luck to you and your opinions, keeps a balance to the debate and the forum is healthier for it. In my experience it is those who voice their distaste at the end of matches who are also the most vociferous in supporting the team during the game. Conversely, those who have blind faith sit there meekly and quietly through 90 minutes with little or no passion (shall we sing a song for you). All of this just my experience with a splash of opinion to flavour.
Must be nice living in your wotld of thinking you are better than others and if they disagree with you then they are wrong.
Take stock ming05 and look at your own posts and the tone of what you started then apply your latest statement to yourself and see if you can spot the connection. Rather than thinking I am better than others I enjoy a healthy debate around facts. Look at the majority of the posts and do the maths. Thanks for keeping me on my toes; ever thought of football management? Enjoy the game on Saturday.
Mingo, you have the same freedom of speech as the people who chanted at the end of the game.You have the right to criticize them as they have the right to criticize you.
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