Newcastle United's January Transfer Window Strategy


By Wasim
December 18 2009

With January fast approaching and a seven point gap at the top of the Championship table, many will be wondering how the club approaches the crucial January transfer window. For me there are basically three strategies Newcastle United could employ during the window for various reasons so it's interesting to analyze the consequences of each of them. Firstly, Owner Mike Ashley, may be tempted with the club doing so well, to use the success of certain players such as Kevin Nolan and Fabricio Coloccini this season and accept any transfer bids which may come in for those players for example. It would be an ideal chance to lower the wage bill and perhaps to get money to spend on cheaper options such as may be a Matthew Kilgallon to replace Coloccini. That option may make the club more attractive to potential new owners, but would it guarantee promotion? The contribution of players such as Nolan and Coloccini shouldn't be underestimated but with Owner Mike Ashley you just don't know.

The second option would be to leave things as is, with just loan replacements for when the loans of Khizanishvili, Simpson and Harewood expire. That way the core of the squad remains intact while the push towards promotion may be maintained. The risk with this though is what happens if injuries start affecting the squad. The squad is not that big and injuries to key players may affect things. If it is not broke, don't fix it, so Ashley may think along these lines as he would then not have to spend too much in the transfer window.

The third option would be the most unlikely, but with the club in a good position, a few signings could be made to further strengthen the squad in a bid to get the club ready for when it hopefully gets back in the Premiership. There are some good young players out there, and pouncing now may make the summer transfer window less busy for the club which may help the squad stay settled as too much change might not be good for the club next summer.

It makes for an interesting debate, but ultimately Mike Ashley will decide what to do, lets just hope he makes the right decision come May when we look back on the season that has past.

As a Newcastle United supporter though, what strategy would you prefer?

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i!
18/12/2009 20:45
More loans, save our money for the Premier League. Get Simpson and Harewood's loans renewed while we're at it and add some defensive cover on top of that.

If we do sell we must replace. I'd consider offers for the following:

Coloccini - Nothing too special, on big wages, get rid if a decent bid comes in.

Barton or Butt - We have a ton of central midfielders, and with Nolan, Guthrie, Smith, and also Vuckic, I think we'd be alright to lose one of these two. Barton' temperament is, well... and he's on a lot of money, while Butt is ageing, but not on as much.

Geremi - @#$%& and a on a lot of money.

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18/12/2009 21:10
I think we will spend a couple of million max and would expect us to get Kilgallon and would extend the deal on Simpon until the end of the season, then look to get him for nothing in the summer. Harewood should go back, we have Ameobi, Carroll, Ranger and Lovernkrands.

Even though the squad is small I would look to get rid of a few of the big earners who are cr@p, and won't be good enough for the premiership, Butt, Geremi and Barton can f@ck'ff for me, Butt and Geremi legs are gone and Barton is to much of a risk on or off the pitch.

I probably wait until the summer to off load Colo, only because of promotion is the key, and he has a good partnership in this division with Taylor, but still think he won't be good for the premiership.

I think we need to get defence players and maybe a good right winger who can whizz by players. Look for some loans and 1 or 2 players brought in properly. If we had the cash then Ledley will be worth a sniff around out of contract in the summer so may be able to pick him up cheaply.

Ideally we would spend loads on 5 or 6 young players spending 4 or 5 million each and build the team ready for next year, but don't think that will happen.

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wasim4nufc
18/12/2009 21:32
I'd want us to get Simpson and Harewood's loan extended while trying to sign Kilgallon and perhaps another left back. Kilgallon may be difficult to get as there are apparently a few premier league clubs after him. Nicky Shorey may be available soon, so as back up to Enrique that wouldn't be too bad.

The main thing is not to get rid of any first team players, at least until the summer as the team spirit is good at the moment. If we sell Coloccini for example, would Jonas no longer have a good friend around? Promotion is the be all and end all this season, so we've got to keep things as is and just add to the squad if we can,(if Ashley wants to that is). I don't think a winger is such as priority now, as we do have Pancrate, Jonas and Lovenkrands with Guthrie and R.Taylor also as make shift wide players.

As for players like Barton, Butt and Geremi, I'd also sell them, the problem is though that I don't for see any clubs making an offer for any of them.

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18/12/2009 22:30
I had a huge massive write-up and then it timed out while posting...

Summary:

Defense - We need back up.

1) Get Simpson in for the second half of the year, even if that requires giving Fergie money so we can sign him to a 3-year deal.

2) Bring in Killgalon or St. Ledger to provide cover at Center Back. Don't sell Colo until the summer, because he and Taylor have been solid together.

3) Get Chris Armstrong from Reading as cover for Enrique. He's a local lad. Hasn't played much this year due to a surgery in the summer, but is a solid left back


Midfield - We're strong here, but if people are available, we should take it.

1) Barton can go, but I doubt we'll get bids due to his injury. Butt needs to stay for when Smudge and Nolan are suspended. We won't get any bids for Geremi.

2) If Crystal Palace is going under, I'd take Ambrose back. He fits in with Smudge, Nolan, and Guthrie - hard nosed, physical, works hard. I know he cried last time because of first team opportunities, but I still like him

3) I doubt we can get Victor Moses, as he's likely off to North London, but we have to at least table a bid.

Striker

1) Harewood has been good, but Ameobi's almost 100% again, so I'm not sure Marlon's a necessity.

2) Ligue 1 has some solid talent in the mid-table, and the competition level isn't that far off the Championship's. Asamoyah Gyan is in great form (a goal each in last 3 matches), is young, fast, and would be relatively cheap as he plays for a 10th place squad.



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Ian Toward
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19/12/2009 02:45
Good write up Wasim. Would love option three but doubt lots will be spent.

We need to start planning for next season. We cant buy 6-7 players in the summer so it would be good to get 2-3 in January then a further 3-4 in the summer.

Ledly is a good shout espec if, like Kilgallon, his contract is up at the end of the year. If we box clever we could get some bargins. Put our hat in the ring for Wilshere as you never know and I think Wenger would probably loan him for next season as well.

Would like to see Tozer come in for Jose if he, touch wood, got injured to try and bring him on. would love a quality attacking centre mid but think that might be one for the summer.

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ColoradoMagpie
19/12/2009 05:33
Ashley will do what he's always done. Zip for our side. I pray he doesn't sell of. If we go through Jan without selling I will consider that a major victory.

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wasim4nufc
19/12/2009 11:02
Quote:
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Defense - We need back up.

1) Get Simpson in for the second half of the year, even if that requires giving Fergie money so we can sign him to a 3-year deal.

2) Bring in Killgalon or St. Ledger to provide cover at Center Back. Don't sell Colo until the summer, because he and Taylor have been solid together.

Midfield - We're strong here, but if people are available, we should take it.

2) If Crystal Palace is going under, Ambrose back. He fits in with Smudge, Nolan, and Guthrie - hard nosed, physical, works hard. I know he cried last time because of first team opportunities, but I still like him

You make some good points waffles. I agree that we need cover at the back and I wouldn't mind those two you mention. There are some good young midfielders out there, so I wouldn't mind if we tried to sign one or two of them as it would increase our options for next season. Players like Wilshere or even Gibson on loan for this season could also do. I too liked Ambrose when he was with us, so if he is willing to be part of our squad that pushes for the premiership then I'll be happy with that.

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Dick
21/12/2009 03:05
In: Danny Simpson
Ryan Bertrand
Matt Killgalon
Tom Cleverley
Marlon Harewood (loan extended)

Out:Joey Barton
Geremi

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Mighty__Mag
21/12/2009 17:10
Sure we will have nowt to spend,
I guess a few cheeky loan bids would be the best option,

Not sure if im being ridiculous here but a loan offer for Bentley maybe?

Spurs are a good target for loans as their squad is bursting and theres some decent youths their,

heard Arsenal are willing to let Wilshire go out on loan til the end of the season with burnley interested, but he has to play in most matches,

Theres an article saying we are also intersted in wilshire i read somewhere,


Stoke are targeting Andy Carroll around 6,million

Not sure if that would be a good or bad move, If we go back up i dont think big andy would hack it, and offloading him would be of good value possibly? (would they offer James Beattie as bait?)

We are most likely gonna aproach Killgallon, along with Blackburn and a host of Premiership dregs!

We could also move for Charltons Lloyd Sam, who we have had watched, he will go for nothing in the summer should they refuse a bid,

Personally i would like to keep what we have, if at all possible offload Gerami Butt & Barton to lighten the wages, cant see anyone even taking them on free transfers,

Cover for Enrique, a natural right winger, would be good!

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21/12/2009 18:15
Quote:
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Not sure if im being ridiculous here but a loan offer for Bentley maybe?
heard Arsenal are willing to let Wilshire go out on loan til the end of the season with burnley interested, but he has to play in most matches,

Theres an article saying we are also intersted in wilshire i read somewhere

Stoke are targeting Andy Carroll around 6,million

Not sure if that would be a good or bad move, If we go back up i dont think big andy would hack it, and offloading him would be of good value possibly? (would they offer James Beattie as bait?)

Cover for Enrique, a natural right winger, would be good!

I can see Bentley going out on loan to one of the premier league strugglers, perhaps Blackburn, where he was so successful so don't think we'll get him. Worth a cheeky bid though like you said.

As stated above I wouldn't mind Wilshere and you have a good point there, that he wouldn't be a starter at Burnley, were he to go there. He'll have a better chance by us though, although thats also debatable.

I wouldn't sell Carroll just yet, he has loads of potential, but if a loan swap deal with Beattie were to be on the table, I'd consider it.

We definately need a left back as cover for Enrique but I think Pancrate and Guthrie can do a decent job on the right hand side of midfield for the remainder of the season so I think we should focus more on getting a right back, Simpson if possible.

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TOONTILLIDIE
21/12/2009 19:35
Quote:
Mighty__Mag
Sure we will have nowt to spend,
I guess a few cheeky loan bids would be the best option,

Not sure if im being ridiculous here but a loan offer for Bentley maybe?

Spurs are a good target for loans as their squad is bursting and theres some decent youths their,

heard Arsenal are willing to let Wilshire go out on loan til the end of the season with burnley interested, but he has to play in most matches,

Theres an article saying we are also intersted in wilshire i read somewhere,


Stoke are targeting Andy Carroll around 6,million

Not sure if that would be a good or bad move, If we go back up i dont think big andy would hack it, and offloading him would be of good value possibly? (would they offer James Beattie as bait?)

We are most likely gonna aproach Killgallon, along with Blackburn and a host of Premiership dregs!

We could also move for Charltons Lloyd Sam, who we have had watched, he will go for nothing in the summer should they refuse a bid,

Personally i would like to keep what we have, if at all possible offload Gerami Butt & Barton to lighten the wages, cant see anyone even taking them on free transfers,

Cover for Enrique, a natural right winger, would be good!

Couldn't see us getting Bentley as Harry will want to sell him to raise funds but if he is there on the final day of the market then worth a bid.

Wilshire looks like he will go to Burnley, but if we could offer him more games then we will look the better option even in a lower league, and he is somebody that I would defo want.

I agree about Carroll, if it was a big bid and we stood the chance of Beattie then I would take it, Beattie is more experienced and would get us enough goals to take us up and then try to keep us up.

Sam will be worth a shot if he is out of contract, but so is Joe Ledley from Cardiff, maybe a couple of million would get the lad.

It would be great to get Butt, Geremi and Barton off the pay roll, all are sh@t and need to move on, but I think Geremi and Butt are out of contract in the summer so hopefully we won't offer them a new contract.

Cover is needed for Enrique, just in case of an injury, as losing him could cost us big time

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Mighty__Mag
22/12/2009 09:49
Seems we are all in agreement for once, I do hope its a transfer window of shopping & not sales!

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becksa09
22/12/2009 14:43
Firstly there is little chance of getting rid of either Joey Barton or Geremi seeing as neither have played for the first team much at all this season....if we are lucky they may find a club in Turkey or something to loan Geremi for the rest of the season.

I would like to see Marlon and Danny extended for the rest of the season.

I only see the need to buy if we sell. Like mentioned above, if Colocinni is sold then he needs to be replaced.

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tunyc
22/12/2009 18:47
I don't mind seeing players sold at the right value, as long as it's not Nolan, Harper, S. Taylor or-*swallows hard* Colo or Ameobi at this point. 6M for Carroll would definitely have to be considered since we have Ranger right behind him.

I wouldn't mind some buying, either, but of the sort of talent that will either be good enough for the PL or would be an attractive buy to other fizzy pop clubs. Ambrose is a real option if Palace are in as much trouble as it seems. Along the same lines-anyone else up for a sneaky bid for Kris Boyd? Get a look at the lad the second half of the season; if he's not good enough for the PL sell him to another fizzy pop club in the summer. Kilgallon is a must; we will have missed a trick if we don't get him. Could offer somebody back in a loan as a makeweight if needed (maybe get Kadar some games?). That could put our bid over the top. Wouldn't waste time on Moses, unless he's still hanging around at the end of the window (yeah, right). Shorey is available, would be solid backup for Enrique and is good enough for the same role in the PL.

But in reality, we may get Simpson signed permanently, we'll extend Harewood, send back Kash and maybe get one or two more loans. Which is maintaining, which I guess would be fine and would allow us to showcase some other saleable players before the end of the season (Barton and Geremi, primarily).

lostmekeys
lostmekeys
23/12/2009 19:58
i know we havent read much about it for a month or three, but we are still a club losing money to operating costs. for this reason, i wonder of we will simply ignore the window, and continue to eye the emergency loans system - which opens again next week and remains beyond the end of january - as a potential safety net should players be lost to injury.
is there any real need to spend, given the person asking the question is mike ashley who sees his club dancing the league with a bunch of rejects and klingons?
i'd feel better with some cover just like all of you, and i'd also love a real winger to mix our play up a bit, especially with all our big strikers, but we set out expecting to lose 40m this season. that will have come down with the late summer player sales, but it will still be a significant loss, so wont the owner look at any signings as luxuries beyond our current needs?


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wasim4nufc
24/12/2009 09:27
I just read some interesting comments from Derek Llambias on nufc.com. He said:

"We have been absolutely delighted with the job that Chris has done. There is a fantastic spirit in the camp and he has managed to change the whole atmosphere surrounding the club. It seems like a different place to what it was a few months ago."

“To see a crowd of nearly 50,000 people inside St James’ Park last weekend was
tremendous and shows what a fantastic football club this is.

“When we offered the job to Chris on a permanent basis, Mike and I couldn’t have asked for anything more. We are ten points clear at the top of the Championship table and we are on target to make an immediate return to the Premier League, which is where this club belongs.

"Mike is totally committed to the club and fully focused on promotion, that is what he wants more than anything.

“We don’t envisage anyone leaving in January because we want to make sure Chris has the players he needs to get us back up.

“Chris has given us things to work on in January in terms of signing players – and we are trying to make those things happen.

“We will have to see, but we want to help and Mike will put the money in to help if Chris feels that it gives the club a better chance of returning to the Premier League.


“Enormous credit has to be given to Chris and Colin for the wonderful job they have done with the support of the players.

“I think one of the biggest changes has been the spirit in the camp. We have got some excellent characters in the dressing room, the players want to be here and there is a good mix of youth and experience.

“They feel as though they have something to prove and they want to put things right after what happened last season.

“We haven’t achieved anything yet, there is still a long way to go and we cannot be complacent. But everything feels a lot more positive around the place. Hopefully that will continue to the case.”

I'd like to see them putting their money where his mouth is!

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i!
24/12/2009 11:04
Also interesting to see he's calling it St. James' Park, rather than it's 'proper' name.

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24/12/2009 11:13
On the sounds of it, nobody leaving unless a stupid offer comes in, and some more loan signings to strengthen the team, once in the premiership he will sell

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wasim4nufc
24/12/2009 11:17
Yeah apparently he did that in the program notes as well, hopefully just hopefully common sense is starting to prevail although I highly doubt that.

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24/12/2009 17:51
jeepers, have we not learned yet to ignore whatever this lambias bloke says?

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tunyc
24/12/2009 18:27
Exactly, lmk. I don't believe a word out of his mouth. He's a professional spinner.

I do, however, appreciate Hughton's recent and transparent statements: we will most likely not buy; if he's sees a chance for a modest improvement Ashley has pledged to back him; no sales will be made unless the offers are truly insane; we will continue to use the emergency loan system in an ad-hoc fashion as needed.

That is all.

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