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Discussion started by martyd12 (IP Logged), 16 September, 2020 11:09
martyd12
martyd12
16 September, 2020 11:09
Wound up this morning in the High Court. They are no more!

the baldy one
the baldy one
16 September, 2020 11:52
they played a pre season friendly yesterday away to witton albion and won 2-1. now within 24 hours they have gone out of business. this now leaves a space in the national league for the coming season- just wondering who will take their place.

The Big J
The Big J
16 September, 2020 11:53
Gutted for fans. But.....football clubs are basically businesses in the entertainment industry with a (often very) limited customer base. They need to balance their books like all businesses do.

If their customer base means they can only pay conference north wages then so be it.

gary anderson
gary anderson
16 September, 2020 12:27
Crying shame but think you will find a few clubs up against it this season with no income coming in from fans and playing behind closed doors
A lot of clubs cant keep going with no gate money for the foreseeable future .thank our lucky stars we got mp at the helm .there will always be I hope a tranmere rovers

Jack of all Trades
Jack of all Trades
16 September, 2020 12:29
This has been on the cards probably since their promotion back to the football league with the constant postponement of court cases.

Just makes me even more appreciative of MP & NP

mogsysmullet
mogsysmullet
16 September, 2020 13:48
this is a tragic shame. I am disappointed so many of our fans are gloating on social media. This is nothing to gloat about a North Western club gone the way of Bury. I went macc when we lost 4-2 boxing day then Fylde new years day great days out both of which we wont be doing for a long time. Sad for the club and the north West.

the kav
the kav
16 September, 2020 14:09
Gutted my mate was a supporter and a steward there he will be absolutely gutted

the kav
the kav
16 September, 2020 14:12
Craig perkins made a cracking point about the efl imposing the points reduction to get them out of the league and wash their hands of the bankruptcy

greasbyrover
greasbyrover
16 September, 2020 14:54
Spot on Mogsy. Nobody should be gloating over this. This could well be happening to other clubs before too long. This could trigger a domino effect, especially if stadiums are still empty until next year. Let's not kid ourselves, despite Mark and Nicola running the club very carefully, this could be us in a few months time.

Marlow!'s foot
Marlow!'s foot
16 September, 2020 15:03
Apparently they can appeal the decision if the owner stumps up half a mill in the next few days. Not likely tho.

the kav
the kav
16 September, 2020 16:04
That idiot from Charlton who supports us is all over twitter dancing on their grave ... giving us all a bad name as he does on every issue... wish the club could ban him

martyd12
martyd12
16 September, 2020 16:21
One wonders who will be next and I suppose the odds are on Southend at their next hearing in 4 weeks time!

Borough Roaderd
Tranmere69
16 September, 2020 17:31
Feel sorry for the fans.We are so lucky.

Loyden1
Loyden1
16 September, 2020 18:04
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the kav
That idiot from Charlton who supports us is all over twitter dancing on their grave ... giving us all a bad name as he does on every issue... wish the club could ban him
.yeh right crank him

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
16 September, 2020 20:37
@#$%& it.

Think sympathy will bring the club back, nope.

Have no problems with anyone bantering them.

It's football.

If we went under id expect gloats and wind ups to be thrown at us, and you know what platitudes, sympathy and roses thrown at out feet fom Bolton fans would mean zip all.

As would any insults.

They have my sympathy and all that, but it means sod all to them.

Serves as yet another lesson as to why the mud slung at palios was yet another example of parts of our fan base being know nothing cretins. That Ryan Ferguson article just becomes richer and richer

DevonExile
DevonExile
16 September, 2020 21:07
There may be a small minority of our fans that criticise MP but I doubt that there are many chairman that get greater respectful the supporters.
It is also the more rabid tribal supporters that gloat in demise of another club most supporters will recognise that we have come to close to the same situation to feel anything but sympathy

Bored rover
Bored rover
16 September, 2020 21:36
Not sure if its been said but that could mean either no relegation from Lg2 to NL this season or back to 2 relegated.

the kav
the kav
16 September, 2020 21:59
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Bored rover
Not sure if its been said but that could mean either no relegation from Lg2 to NL this season or back to 2 relegated.

National league rules state ebbsfleet get a reprieve and its business as usual

bheadlad
bheadlad
17 September, 2020 05:31
It’s sad
They may have spent beyond their means and without a real sugar daddy to save them.I felt they were continually harassed with no help from the Football league
I just wonder how much their debt is
I didn’t get aggrieved by their taunts when they got promoted
With covid and no gates Southend do seem in trouble as the league won’t help them.So what will happen if some more clubs go belly up and is there a plan from the league to support the more prudent clubs......
.......or bury their rich heads in the sand and maybe say Oh well.Other more well clubs might suffer later if fans are allowed back with less teams to play

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Doogie'sGhost
17 September, 2020 11:08
I've said it before and I'll no doubt say it again, that so many clubs are in such a precarious position is down to 2 things - the failure of the club owners to be realistic and, more importantly, the utter failure of the EFL as a governing body, to regulate and police its membership in a way that prevents them becoming problems. Nothing in their recent changes will change this significantly either.

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
17 September, 2020 11:36
In fairness the EFL is only a membership body, so can only do what its members want it to do. Too many clubs don't want to be regulated. Not properly regulated.

We'll only get effective regulation when it's done by an independent body. And because clubs don't want that, it'll only happen if it's imposed by, say, government. I'm not holding my breath on that..

Tom Bombadil
Tom Bombadil
17 September, 2020 15:34
I think someone has already said Oldham are in trouble as well. If the grounds open to take fans I believe they are having safety cert problems opening different stands. Talk is that they may end up playing at Wigan, Bolton or even Bury. But they and Southend are not the only ones in dire straits.

Jack of all Trades
Jack of all Trades
17 September, 2020 15:42
Southend have avoided the Macclesfield fate (for the moment) and their winding up order has been postponed, as they had at least paid a significant sum off their debt.

Ironically, the case was heard by the same person who granted the Macclesfield winding up order.

Groundsmansfork
Groundsmansfork
17 September, 2020 15:55
All for less than 1 weeks age of Gareth Bales. "Hey, Gareth, can you give 1 weeks wage up to save Macc? " Fat chance.

warren r
Wozza
17 September, 2020 18:45
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Groundsmansfork
All for less than 1 weeks age of Gareth Bales. "Hey, Gareth, can you give 1 weeks wage up to save Macc? " Fat chance.
why should he though we’re does it stop granted wages are obscene at the top end of football but who would turn it down I for one wouldn’t

DevonExile
DevonExile
17 September, 2020 20:09
At this time all vulnerable businesses are in danger of going under. Many clubs were at risk pre Covid. and the longer that clubs have no match income ,the. more likely that otners will follow. Southend has the hope of big money from a housing developer. If that falls through they would look doomed

Tranman
Tranman
17 September, 2020 20:53
Quote:
bheadlad
It’s sad
They may have spent beyond their means and without a real sugar daddy to save them.I felt they were continually harassed with no help from the Football league
I just wonder how much their debt is
I didn’t get aggrieved by their taunts when they got promoted
With covid and no gates Southend do seem in trouble as the league won’t help them.So what will happen if some more clubs go belly up and is there a plan from the league to support the more prudent clubs......
.......or bury their rich heads in the sand and maybe say Oh well.Other more well clubs might suffer later if fans are allowed back with less teams to play

£500,000 debt!

Bored rover
Bored rover
17 September, 2020 21:21
We shouldn't gloat it could be us and many others if things carry on like this nationally i think MP said we were safe until December behind closed doors before he had to start worrying about finances.

Jack of all Trades
Jack of all Trades
17 September, 2020 21:23
The figures being quoted are £190K HMRC, previous managers John Askey £140K and Sol Campbell £170K, that totals exactly £500K.

What about all the other small creditors surely they haven't been paid in full?

I assume the players were eventually been paid in full. Something just doesn't add up with the figures.

bheadlad
bheadlad
17 September, 2020 21:49
Quote:
Tranman
Quote:
bheadlad
It’s sad
They may have spent beyond their means and without a real sugar daddy to save them.I felt they were continually harassed with no help from the Football league
I just wonder how much their debt is
I didn’t get aggrieved by their taunts when they got promoted
With covid and no gates Southend do seem in trouble as the league won’t help them.So what will happen if some more clubs go belly up and is there a plan from the league to support the more prudent clubs......
.......or bury their rich heads in the sand and maybe say Oh well.Other more well clubs might suffer later if fans are allowed back with less teams to play

£500,000 debt!
Thanks Tranman
Weekly wage for Bale and loose change for Messi🙄

the kav
the kav
18 September, 2020 07:27
It was 500k and it was the hmrc petition not the other 2 that wound macc up

Groundsmansfork
Groundsmansfork
18 September, 2020 16:10
Where does it stop? It stops where you want it to stop. You can pay their debt off anonymously, nobody needs to know. I shouldnt think he'd miss a weeks so called wage.

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
18 September, 2020 16:58
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Groundsmansfork
Where does it stop? It stops where you want it to stop. You can pay their debt off anonymously, nobody needs to know. I shouldnt think he'd miss a weeks so called wage.

You seem good at spending other people's money. Maybe Bale should tell you how to spend yours? Or maybe that's none of his business. Just like Macc's financial suicide is none of his business.

No problem with big earners, they're only getting their cut of the millions they help generate in the first place. Millions that's only generated because the punters are willing to pay it, through admission prices, TV subs, merchandise etc etc etc.

bedfordave
bedfordave
18 September, 2020 17:33
Whilst this and others maybe like Bury in the pipeline anyway, covid could lead to an avalanche. Like any recession industries with jokers in it are prone to collapse. Football is very much in this category, led by donkeys as well, among other things it's unfit and improper ownership trend threatens to be lethal.
The EFL had no need to mention integrity before handing over authority to mob rule, a poor start. It did have one crystal clear mission, apparent to anyone with any business nouse, get the ifollow up to speed for mass use. Season ticket holders could have been placated by replacement video coverage and casual watchers could have added revenue.
Sadly it is obvious the second wave is reaching the UK, other nations are reversing the loosening of measures, it is now highly unlikely we will let any fans in soon. The trend is the virus is gaining and so further loosening is unlikely.
Ifollow is not fit for purpose and I doubt Parry and co even identified what is effectively the main revenue stream.
I can see dozens of clubs reaching the end of the line and with job losses in the pipeline fans may have lots of goodwill but not be able to fund them.
Unless ifollow can fund clubs with some basic income, clubs could be dropping by the week and the mob may vote to cancel the season effectively mothballing the clubs. Players are very limited as well they may have to go unemployed until they can sell their talents again

Bored rover
Bored rover
18 September, 2020 22:24
The virus was always going to pick up again once pubs opened and holidays started again its no surprise and hopefully they govt have a lid on it but i cant see how stopping us seeing our families stops spread yet continuing to allow pubs, restaurants etc to open is ok ultimately the country is bankrupt so I doubt we can financially afford to have a full lockdown again but who knows. For me close pubs restaurants etc keep us socialising with our families

warren r
Wozza
18 September, 2020 22:39
Quote:
Groundsmansfork
Where does it stop? It stops where you want it to stop. You can pay their debt off anonymously, nobody needs to know. I shouldnt think he'd miss a weeks so called wage.
would you pay my debt off only to see me continually get myself into debt no I don’t think so nor would I expect you to 👍

philwort
philwort
19 September, 2020 00:54
Quote:
Bored rover
The virus was always going to pick up again once pubs opened and holidays started again its no surprise and hopefully they govt have a lid on it but i cant see how stopping us seeing our families stops spread yet continuing to allow pubs, restaurants etc to open is ok ultimately the country is bankrupt so I doubt we can financially afford to have a full lockdown again but who knows. For me close pubs restaurants etc keep us socialising with our families
The difference is pubs and restaurants have measures to supposedly keep people apart whereas households are less likely to.

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
19 September, 2020 06:09
Saving a failed football club would be way down my list of priorities when it comes to using my wealth to help others.

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Phil65
19 September, 2020 09:38
It's just as well we had a local wealthy businessman to bail us out in the 80's when we went into administration.
Also, a local council who invested £200,000; not forgetting fans who put their hands in their pockets.
Without benefactors, lower league football would not exist in its current format, if at all.
3000 plus have invested in the club now, knowing they're not guaranteed a full return for their money, but with the club's survival at heart.
If the 80's didn't pan out like it did, we'd likely be belly-aching elsewhere about equally significant subjects such as the price of fish, the weather, how much smaller chocolate bars are these days, was the moon landing fake.
Football clubs are not stand alone "businesses", they're community assets that invest in the community and the community invests in them (financially, physically and psychologically). Their demise is sad for those it affects directly and I can empathise with any community that loses such an asset.

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
19 September, 2020 13:33
Ultimately fans have to guard their clubs.

No one else will do it.

Tranmere fought to stop an innapropriate owner from buying the club a decade ago.

Compare to bury fans who lapped up a financially doped team without questioning how it could be sustained.

Local communities and local businesses will often help.

But we've no business expecting people with no connection to an area to think that bailing out a club is a moral obligation.

Clubs are precious, so we should protect them. And we = the fans. Not random footballers

Pitou
Pitou
19 September, 2020 17:58
Another one gone and the EFL do nothing

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Doogie'sGhost
20 September, 2020 19:28
Nothing to do with the EFL. Macc were no longer in the League. They can quite happily sit back, hold their hands up and say nothing to do with us. And they might be right to in this case. Macc's problems predate their promotion from the VNL. I don't think the EFL had much if anything to do with this one.

aktrfc
aktrfc
21 September, 2020 07:20
Unlike Bury, I do have sympathy for Mac. I don’t think they over spent in the VNL, they just over performed. There down fall was down to a dodgy owner and very little fan base. It take me back to many be 35 years ago when everyone used to say we can’t afford to get promoted. It does seem true now, without an owner with very deep pockets, it’s very hard to survive going up through the leagues. Without money being ploughed into the club, you have little chance of significantly increasing your attendance. Except for the FGRs who just don’t have the population in the area,


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