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Worst players ever to play for England
Discussion started by the baldy one (IP Logged), 29 March, 2020 08:31
the baldy one
the baldy one
29 March, 2020 08:31
Hi - Lads - lets start a debate about the worst players ever to play for england. lets start with - danny wallace , gordon cowans, andy gray, geoff thomas, luther blissett, mick duxbury, dave beasant, peter withe, denis wise, john fashanu, trevor cherry, mick mills, peter davenport, phil neville.

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
29 March, 2020 11:27
Carlton Palmer's always worth a shout in these discussions.

Not forgetting our own Michael Ricketts.

Uptonrover
Uptonrover
29 March, 2020 11:46
Warren barton, keith curle and paul konchesky. Seth johnson and francis jeffers.



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mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
29 March, 2020 11:48
gordon cowens was a poet. terrible shout

ricketts has to be the man

Prenton Pirate
Prenton Pirate
29 March, 2020 11:55
At least you didn't have to put up with Vinnie Jones like us Welsh had to. Made Carlton Palmer look like Pele.
How many of the current England team would get into any other top national side? Not many. Jessie Lingard anyone?

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hong kong rover
29 March, 2020 12:03
Steve McManaman

the baldy one
the baldy one
29 March, 2020 12:03
I forgot about carlton palmer- what a joke. yes also warren barton and keith curle. just going back to carlton palmer, he was not even good enough to play for chester fc. i am absolutely stunned he played for england. also andy sinton and ray wilkins come to mind.

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
29 March, 2020 12:29
some terrible shouts here boyos

mcmmamamamammananananaamaman was a beast.

wilkins a playboy of a midfielder.

stinton is a good shout though.

from here on in i'll be rating people's contributions and heavily moderating this thread. you've brought it on yourselves lads.

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
29 March, 2020 12:43
in fact if the names geoff thomas and seth johnson don't appear soon i'm petitioning for the site to be closed and handed over to wrexham fans for the duration of the covid lock down

Marlow!'s foot
Marlow!'s foot
29 March, 2020 12:44
That one cap wonder Joey Barton. Wonder whatever happened to him.

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Phil65
29 March, 2020 13:11
A let down that no one's mentioned Emile Heskey (decision not tainted by Wembley 2000 either!)
Get this thread closed mrGr!

mill park white
mill park white
29 March, 2020 14:17
Geoff Thomas already been mentioned. Should be a clear winner. Here's a showcase of his finishing skills.

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hong kong rover
29 March, 2020 16:09
steve mc manaman, david beckham, jamie redknapp etc etc these t*ssers were not footballers, they were more interested in their hairstyles and manly perfumes than anything else...if anyone seriously thinks that these p*icks were ace footballers, then they must be seriously deluded or they know f*ck all about footy.

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
29 March, 2020 16:25
becks is probably the greatest striker of the ball we've ever produced and i don't think there's anyone that trains as hard. when roy keane is in awe of a players dedication that's ok for me.

if he was a no talent hack who looked like steve ogrizovic then we would slather over his work rate. and he'd be jordan henderson. as it was he was the work rate of henderson with the talent of debruyne. a true england great.

but as he's a sexy mofo who rocks a sarong and bangs a spice girl, and some are so obsessed over celebrity and appearance they can't see past that.

redknapp i stanned so much when he first came to liverpool. growing up there was nothing i loved more than a languid, laconic playmaker. tranmere have always been blessed with them, harvey, cook, obrien even jeff hughes. ian crooks for norwich, cowens, hoddle, mccallister ... i've got a type, ok. you don't see that much of sort of player anymore, redknapp may have been one of the last.

and macamamam was the real deal. crazy dribbler, scouse hair, and swagger. if you can't love that give up on football.

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hong kong rover
29 March, 2020 16:40
Beckham was seriously limited as an all round footballer,..he was a bit of a dead ball specialist and he could whip over the odd decent cross now and then, but that was all he had...he was so limited..he is without doubt,in my mind, the most overrated player to have ever worn an england shirt...he was a million miles behind the likes of zidane, pirlo, mattheus, gullit, gasgoine, ronaldo etc etc...players that could control things, dominate, excel, get going when things got tough, dig you out of the trenches, exhibit extreme skill...Beckham had none of that. he is just a media figure..no wonder that england never win the world cup when we select non talent..



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hong kong rover
29 March, 2020 16:52
Georgie best, great dribbler, tons of swagger, he sh*gged Miss World's and always had an end product. he delivered..

Steve mcmanaman, looked the part, looked flash, not a great deal of swagger, and no end product..he didnt deliver..



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hong kong rover
29 March, 2020 16:54
we all see things differently Mr G...

the baldy one
the baldy one
29 March, 2020 16:55
lee bowyer and kieron dyer. apart from fighting each other when they were at newcastle united together both were over rated. another one is jonathan woodgate now boss at boro. another one is colin todd much to over rated. i would even say robbie fowler. he was brilliant for liverpool, but not good enough for england.

the baldy one
the baldy one
29 March, 2020 16:57
john terry, rio ferdinand, kerry dixon aswell.

the kav
the kav
29 March, 2020 17:48
Steve foster
Peter davenport
John fashanu
Michael rickets
Gabby agbonlahor
Carl jenkinson
Aaron cresswell

Alan mullally
David millns
Martin macaugue
Derek pringle
The lancs spinner who the Aussies hit out of the attack after 8 overs ... cannot remember his name.
Ashley metcalfe

DevonExile
DevonExile
29 March, 2020 17:51
Rickets must be near the top of any list. Of poor players to gain a cap

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
29 March, 2020 18:14
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hong kong rover
Beckham was seriously limited as an all round footballer,..he was a bit of a dead ball specialist and he could whip over the odd decent cross now and then, but that was all he had...he was so limited..he is without doubt,in my mind, the most overrated player to have ever worn an england shirt...he was a million miles behind the likes of zidane, pirlo, mattheus, gullit, gasgoine, ronaldo etc etc...players that could control things, dominate, excel, get going when things got tough, dig you out of the trenches, exhibit extreme skill...Beckham had none of that. he is just a media figure..no wonder that england never win the world cup when we select non talent..

i don't think we watch the same sport lol.

for me he's head and shoulders above 99% of people to have played for england and if he was ugly people would have appreciated him more.

he was an end boss of a midfielder throughout his career.

as for mac's end product i think a worldie to win real's 8th champions league title might count somewhat.

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Doogie'sGhost
29 March, 2020 19:31
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the kav
Steve foster
Peter davenport
John fashanu
Michael rickets
Gabby agbonlahor
Carl jenkinson
Aaron cresswell

Alan mullally
David millns
Martin macaugue
Derek pringle
The lancs spinner who the Aussies hit out of the attack after 8 overs ... cannot remember his name.
Ashley metcalfe
It was Chris Schofield. Ashley Metcalfe didn't play for England. Not even his father in law could swing that one. Don't agree on Pringle but the others are decent shouts. I'll raise you with Mark Lathwell.

the kav
the kav
29 March, 2020 19:55
Thanks doogie lathwell is a cracking shout... I should have popped Matthew maynard on that list too

the kav
the kav
29 March, 2020 19:57
Peter kerrigan was the spinner

Beamish Screamer
Beamish Screamer
29 March, 2020 20:04
Mike Smith
Alan Igglesden
Usman Afzaal

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Doogie'sGhost
29 March, 2020 21:10
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the kav
Peter kerrigan was the spinner
You're right. Simon Kerrigan was the guy the Aussies smashed - played for Ormskirk locally too. Schofield was about a decade earlier, can't remember who he played against but I think it was just the one test. He got the yips and was out of the game completely not long later. Think he got a fifty with the bat too.

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
29 March, 2020 23:51
A bit late to this but...
For me, the only reason Beckham didn't live up to the hype was because the hype was often ridiculously high.
He'll never go down as one of the all time greats of the world game. But he was at the next level, world class. Certainly a notch or two above Mekki.

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hong kong rover
30 March, 2020 04:10
Glen Hoddle, Paul Gasgoine, Bryan Robson, Trevor Brooking - now that would be one hell of an England midfield.

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
30 March, 2020 06:50
Always remember getting Robson's panini sticker and my dad telling me he was England and man United captain and I was in awe that such a person could exist.

He didn't he smash his leg to pieces 3 times and yet never pulled out of a tackle, and he was a goal scoring midfielder too. Just incredible.

Saw a glimpse of hoddle when he was player manager at Swindon . He played at pp I was about 13 at the time and he was easily the best player I'd seen live, and I'd seen gazza a few years earlier. That scene in the matrix where time slows and neo can dodge the bullets and has a 360 view : that's how Noddle played. Gutted when he left the England job.

Brooking never saw play much his punditry used to do my head in though haha.

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hong kong rover
30 March, 2020 07:08
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mrGr33n13
Always remember getting Robson's panini sticker and my dad telling me he was England and man United captain and I was in awe that such a person could exist.
He didn't he smash his leg to pieces 3 times and yet never pulled out of a tackle, and he was a goal scoring midfielder too. Just incredible.

Saw a glimpse of hoddle when he was player manager at Swindon . He played at pp I was about 13 at the time and he was easily the best player I'd seen live, and I'd seen gazza a few years earlier. That scene in the matrix where time slows and neo can dodge the bullets and has a 360 view : that's how Noddle played. Gutted when he left the England job.

Brooking never saw play much his punditry used to do my head in though haha.

nice one Mr G...Brooking was a classy elegant midfielder, great eye and superb passer of the ball, his downfall was his chronic lack of pace.

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
30 March, 2020 07:26
What to do in lock down? Well Patrick Stewart is reading a Shakespeare sonnet a day. And the first 20 or so sonnets taken together are absolute fire, a d Stewart is a velvet voice.

But today I want something more poetic. So I'm gonna rewatch Beckham's goals for man United

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Nearly all are sweet spot strikes that I bet whistled through the air more sweetly than a 60s milkman in the summer of love. Get in Becks lad,.

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
30 March, 2020 07:41
And if you something more savage, he was positively murderous for Madrid. You almost feel sorry for the footballs out in Spain during his time there

[youtu.be]

Prenton Pirate
Prenton Pirate
30 March, 2020 11:03
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hong kong rover
Georgie best, great dribbler, tons of swagger, he sh*gged Miss World's and always had an end product. he delivered..
Steve mcmanaman, looked the part, looked flash, not a great deal of swagger, and no end product..he didnt deliver..

Ah wee Georgie. There was a player. Poetry in motion. Today's "superstars" couldn't lace his boots. Georgie and the lawman, brilliant.

I never understood why Simon Kerrigan never got a second chance tho. Some are persevered with and given numerous chances and still fail. The bearded Nott's player who's name escapes me for example. Kerrigan always got wickets for Lancs and was a big factor in winning the championship along with Gary Keedy.
That one test must pray on his mind, poor guy must have nightmares of flailing Aussie batsman hitting the boundary rope. He's now an academy coach at Old Trafford cricket school.
Does any one remember Carl Lewis for England, truly awful.

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
30 March, 2020 11:07
my first memory of best was his wogan appearance.

wasnt until youtube i could see him play. jesus that man had style.

same grace as baggio and laudrup. would have been unreal to see him play week in week out.

mogsysmullet
mogsysmullet
30 March, 2020 11:25
Aldo's Muzzy "He'll never go down as one of the all time greats of the world game. But he was at the next level, world class. Certainly a notch or two above Mekki." don't tell Ryan Ferguson this the man still rants on his blogs we didn't replace Mekki! haha

Prenton Pirate
Prenton Pirate
30 March, 2020 11:29
I only saw him in action once at anfield on his and United' downward spiral (lost 2-0 I think) and he was anonymous. Love watching the footage of him evading a low flying chopper Harris on you tube.

Zint
Zint
30 March, 2020 12:13
Nobby Stiles

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Doogie'sGhost
30 March, 2020 12:40
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Prenton Pirate
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hong kong rover
Georgie best, great dribbler, tons of swagger, he sh*gged Miss World's and always had an end product. he delivered..
Steve mcmanaman, looked the part, looked flash, not a great deal of swagger, and no end product..he didnt deliver..

Ah wee Georgie. There was a player. Poetry in motion. Today's "superstars" couldn't lace his boots. Georgie and the lawman, brilliant.

I never understood why Simon Kerrigan never got a second chance tho. Some are persevered with and given numerous chances and still fail. The bearded Nott's player who's name escapes me for example. Kerrigan always got wickets for Lancs and was a big factor in winning the championship along with Gary Keedy.
That one test must pray on his mind, poor guy must have nightmares of flailing Aussie batsman hitting the boundary rope. He's now an academy coach at Old Trafford cricket school.
Does any one remember Carl Lewis for England, truly awful.

The thing with Lancs spinners is they mostly play at OT. Until Taunton's recent issues there was no place better to bowl spin in the country. That's why Lancs spinners got so many wickets largely. It definitely affected him. He'd got tons of wickets in the preceding few seasons, but not so many after. I think the issue is every time you step up a level there's a chance you are found out. That your game, which might be dominant at the lower level, just has that fatal flaw that only gets found out when you step up. Once its out though the lower level get onto it too. Those that cope with it when back at the lower level tend to get a second chance, think Ballance recently, those that don't soon drift away completely.

I don't remember Carl Lewis. Not even sure what sport.

the kav
the kav
30 March, 2020 12:53
Chris Lewis maybe? Played for notts and Leicestershire?

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Doogie'sGhost
30 March, 2020 12:58
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the kav
Chris Lewis maybe? Played for notts and Leicestershire?

Ah, maybe. I don't think he was that bad, but he suffered from Botham comparisons in an era that England just couldn't find a capable all-rounder. He wasn't the worst one that was tried by any means.

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
30 March, 2020 13:12
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mogsysmullet
Aldo's Muzzy "He'll never go down as one of the all time greats of the world game. But he was at the next level, world class. Certainly a notch or two above Mekki." don't tell Ryan Ferguson this the man still rants on his blogs we didn't replace Mekki! haha

Lol, that's what reminded me. thumbs down

the baldy one
the baldy one
30 March, 2020 14:28
Just a comment about england caps. i honestly believe our ex manager frank worthington should of got more than 8 caps. in his pomp, he was one of the best players in the country. also i will always remember the day frank worthington was signing a contract to join liverpool fc but because he had high blood pressure in his medical liverpool pulled out.

Whatesey
Whatesey
30 March, 2020 14:35
Nick Pickering, Trevor cherry, emlyn hughes at left back in cricket Chris cowdery

Marlow!'s foot
Marlow!'s foot
30 March, 2020 14:45
Chris Lewis, the cricketer, was jailed for drug smuggling. Blotted his copybook a little!

Beamish Screamer
Beamish Screamer
30 March, 2020 15:33
Good trivia question, who did Chris Cowdrey replace as England captain?

the kav
the kav
30 March, 2020 16:22
Mark nicholas?

Beamish Screamer
Beamish Screamer
30 March, 2020 16:29
Not Mark Nicholas. This player only captained England for 2 test matches, losing both.

the kav
the kav
30 March, 2020 16:36
Embers?

Beamish Screamer
Beamish Screamer
30 March, 2020 16:44
Correct


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