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Allsop should be investigated
Discussion started by gary anderson (IP Logged), 18 November, 2019 07:05
gary anderson
gary anderson
18 November, 2019 07:05
Ryan allsop should have his actions investigated for the way he goeded the tranmere fans in the kop on Sunday he moans about coments he claims he heard that upset him .well Mr allsop if you go and make imaturgestures to oposing fans what do you expect he winds up the fans then goes crying to the ref he got a reaction .the man is a professional footballer he should be concentrating on his game rather than trying to couse conflict with fans .so why are the fa not speaking to him for his unprofessional actions .maybe he should look at himself and his actions to our fans and and provoking conflict and relise people in glass houses should not throw stones .I myself feel he was to blame for the way his gestures started the so called abuse he says he got .I think he should also be spoken to for him unprofessional behaviour to fans

Uptonrover
Uptonrover
18 November, 2019 07:45
Theres other stuff that could have been shouted at him (and im sure was) than the stuff picked up by the sky microphones. We all know how sky loves a controversy and will go on about it for weeks now. As mentioned elsewhere, some of our fans have form for idiotic behaviour, not just this season either. But yes he was stood in front of the kop at the end of the first half making gestures and with his glove over his mouth as footballers tend to do with their hands now days and im sure he wasnt saying “never mind chaps theres always the second half”

gary anderson
gary anderson
18 November, 2019 07:54
Yes total agreement with you sky will dine out on this and blame the fans but we all know he was just as much to blame and gave out stupid gestures and got a reaction and the big baby didn't like it pity the fa and police take a closer look at his behaviour total unprofessional. Can you imagine if it was Davies he would get fined and banned .allsop should be fined and banned for Insighting.conflict

rossb07
rossb07
18 November, 2019 08:09
Problem is we’ve had 2 players in Nors and Cook do this to opposition fans more than the once and whilst one set threw a glass bottle, all the others didn’t resort to what was said yesterday.

Yes he shouldn’t have instigated anything but we shouldn’t get that riled up by it as it’s always going to happen when a small time Charlie comes to little old Tranmere.

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
18 November, 2019 08:20
Well said Ross.

Anyone getting angry at a goalkeeper playing fans at their own game should go watch the darts or take up another hobbie

gary anderson
gary anderson
18 November, 2019 08:21
Yes but no one knows what was said it's all hearsay name calling been going on in football since the year dot won't be long before clapping will upset someone and the snowflakes will want it banned .you give out gestures and get a reaction get over it allsop.it's a game if you don't like reactions then don't give it out

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
18 November, 2019 08:26
Allsop won, twice.

He managed to wind you all up to where someone lost their head and he was able to make the club look bad.

And then he won again when everyone goes on a mental one for days afterward.

I believe the phrase the kids use is he's living in your head rent free.

You lot tried to banter with him, he won and has forgotten you. You lost and are fuming days later about how the world has gone to pot

rossb07
rossb07
18 November, 2019 08:39
Pretty sure there’s a clip containing what was said that was also caught on the telly.

Uptonrover
Uptonrover
18 November, 2019 09:08
There is ross yes, and sky has been playing it over and over with multiple bleeps

gary anderson
gary anderson
18 November, 2019 09:37
I'm sure if sky played video they got on fans from both sides at every game they cover there would be more bleeps than anything it's a football match fans get carried away when they score when they let one in when they win lose or draw it's always been the same since the game was invented .but sky love to sensationalise it boost there viewing figures .fans and players players have been doing it for years .but it's getting to a stage where anything you say or do is offending someone what do these snow flakes want silent grounds no clapping no chanting no celebrating no voicing your opinion .it's getting a crazy world we live in everything you say or think is offending someone somewhere

misterecoli
misterecoli
18 November, 2019 09:47
I think the 'snowflakes' generally just don't want racist or homophobic abuse. You're really stretching here, what's the issue with just saying 'it's out of order, hope they are banned if it's proven, and we can move on'

gary anderson
gary anderson
18 November, 2019 10:05
Yes your right of course but there were loads of tranmere fans who took offence to the actions of allsop are the cub going to ban every fan who takes offence by him. He dished it out and did not like the reaction .so why is he not being spoken to for in sighting a conflict it's a two way street we are all football fans we all dish it out and take it back that's the game .as long as there is no violence and people hurt I can't see the problem people offend each other every day just close your ears walk away and ignore it dishing it out then moaning cos you don't like the reaction is being a bit hypocritical.

misterecoli
misterecoli
18 November, 2019 10:39
But in it's most simplistic form, if you avoid anything classified as 'Hate Speech/Crime' then you stay on the right side of the law.

So people can have a pop at the opposition goalie if they like, personally can't see the point. To say he didn't like the reaction isn't really fair tho is it, he didn't like a specific reaction, and no one should.

Fiftyyearsarover
Fiftyyearsarover
18 November, 2019 10:48
I don’t get this at all it can’t be racist because he is white or did we have a sudden emergence of Black rovers fans shouting at the white man in goal ,if it’s only name calling ,what’s the fuss ,get over it .its the snowflakes again” ,oh mummy those terrible fans called me names “ l knew once the England team black players threatened to walk off the field etc it would grow like wildfire any slight perceived or otherwise and it’s going to be reported ,it’s like life in general now ,can’t open your mouth in case a snowflake is listening ..always been banter /abuse at football go on the Newcastle you tube and get the Peter Reid song ,,remember the old saying “sticks and stones ,that’s gone out the window

misterecoli
misterecoli
18 November, 2019 10:59
it's really simple, if you do open your mouth just make sure it's not racist or homophobic. It's not exactly rocket science

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
18 November, 2019 11:40
Quote:
misterecoli
it's really simple, if you do open your mouth just make sure it's not racist or homophobic. It's not exactly rocket science

Spot on. Shouldn't be too difficult for anyone to stick to either.

There's another point in all this too. It's not really just a case of whether the keeper was offended but what the environment at football should be. Even if the keeper had just laughed it off, others may have felt uncomfortable (to say the least). If you're gay, it can't be much fun sitting within earshot of some caveman bellowing out what was alleged to have been said yesterday. Like if you're black and the clown a few seats away decides to do his monkey impression. Or if you bring the missus to the game and has to listen to a policewoman being chorally invited to 'get her wotsits out for the lads'.

All stuff that might once have (generously) been considered banter, but society's grown up a bit since then. Shouldn't be too hard to adjust, unless you've got more deep-rooted issues with women or with people of different race or sexual orientation.

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
18 November, 2019 11:53
Unreal the thin line people here are drawing between calling a black man a ni***r or calling someone a f"***t and not being allowed to clap at a football match.

Wycombe goalkeeper 1

Supporters in the kop 0

Final score

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
18 November, 2019 11:57
Oh and I don't believe that there is such a thing as hate speech nor that there should be laws against it even if there was.

This is about social norms and what we fans find acceptable

aktrfc
aktrfc
18 November, 2019 12:38
you need to understand that unlike the post on another thread by ross, not all fans who sit in the kop are scumbags. I personally dont sit in the kop, but have family and friends who do, and they would be as disgusted as the rest of us, if they heard any abuse like that. I didn't hear anything from the main stand on sunday and i've not seen the report on sky, so i assume if this did go on, then it was and individual and not as a collective.

Uptonrover
Uptonrover
18 November, 2019 12:51
Sky now reporting the “fan” was arrested after a steward reported him for homophobic abuse of the ref whilst the investigation into the abuse of the keeper is ongoing.

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hong kong rover
18 November, 2019 13:03
It will be grossly unfair if the club gets fined over this..There is no way that TRFC, or any other club for that matter, can have 100% control over their fans..it should be the individual that gets the fine and the ban and NOT THE CLUBS.

Kentexile
Kentexile
18 November, 2019 13:19
Quote:
mrGr33n13
Allsop won, twice.
He managed to wind you all up to where someone lost their head and he was able to make the club look bad.

And then he won again when everyone goes on a mental one for days afterward.

I believe the phrase the kids use is he's living in your head rent free.

You lot tried to banter with him, he won and has forgotten you. You lost and are fuming days later about how the world has gone to pot

Spot on, this. He's wound us up and won. And there's no point whining that Allsop was winding the fans up, Scotty does it all the time to opposition fans.

It doesn't matter whether you think it's right or wrong or if you think people who complain are "snowflakes", the rules are clear - homophobia, like racism, is not acceptable any more. It's not a matter of opinion it's the societal norms of the times we live in now, and the rules of today if you're at a football match. This whole episode makes us look like a bunch of Neanderthals (even if it's only one fan), and arguing the toss over it just makes us look worse not better.

Fiftyyearsarover
Fiftyyearsarover
18 November, 2019 13:20
When I do go ,and always have ,sat in the main stand ,does that mean I am a posh git for paying the extra ,over the years there has been morons all over the stadium ,mistercoli has it about right ,if you don’t like gays ,blacks, gypsies ,.jews Martians . immigrant,Muslims etc .and that’s fine by me , there is no Law you have to like them .just don’t advertise the fact and you won’t end up in trouble ,when whoever whatever appear on tv you don’t like, shout at the tv in your own home ,sorry (whisper ) job done ,no getting carted off by the old bill with a coat over your head but for ordinary banter it’s sad people can’t take it anymore it’s always been a way of life ,people are going to be to scared to speak in case they disturb people’s sensibilities .,l don’t know what was shouted but if it was not Racist or Homophobic it’s nothing he has not heard before and hears most days in mens environment,(best make that women’s to )just in case, sad world

Dan SWA
Dan SWA
18 November, 2019 13:20
The only loser in this whole sorry scenario will be the club, it’s plastered all over the news about homophobic Tranmere fans when in reality it’s one 24 year old moron who’s been arrested, he will more than likely get a slap on the wrist and told not to be a naughty boy again and bask in his newly found fame instead of getting back under the rock where he belongs, the club on the other hand will get hit with a substantial fine therefore possibly reducing our financial clout in January. Cheers you absolute weapon!

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
18 November, 2019 13:25
Quote:
Fiftyyearsarover
When I do go ,and always have ,sat in the main stand ,does that mean I am a posh git for paying the extra ,over the years there has been morons all over the stadium ,mistercoli has it about right ,if you don’t like gays ,blacks, gypsies ,.jews Martians . immigrant,Muslims etc .and that’s fine by me , there is no Law you have to like them .just don’t advertise the fact and you won’t end up in trouble ,when whoever whatever appear on tv you don’t like, shout at the tv in your own home ,sorry (whisper ) job done ,no getting carted off by the old bill with a coat over your head but for ordinary banter it’s sad people can’t take it anymore it’s always been a way of life ,people are going to be to scared to speak in case they disturb people’s sensibilities .l don’t know what was shouted but if it was not Racist or Homophobic it’s nothing he has not heard beforeand hears most days in mens environment,(best make that women’s to )just in case, sad world

It was homophobic (allegedly). That's the whole point.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 18/11/2019 13:33 by Aldo'smuzzy.

gary anderson
gary anderson
18 November, 2019 13:38
Well seems like we are gonna live in a world where you have to say nothing do nothing and never comet as someone somewhere will be offended and upset .I wonder if we score at our next home match and clap and cheer and jump up and down will that be upsetting someone how long before shouting super white army is gonna offend oposing black players .cm on lads it's getting stupid I agree if you fight and use violence at a football match no place for that but shouting and getting your frustration out by using a few choice words is crazy I don't believe one person on here has not used a few swear words at a game it happens it's part of life very one on here had insulted someone at some time so let's not be holyer than thou .every supporter in every club has shouted abuse at refs in frustration players get abuse from fans ask our keeper he gets it but does he go crying to the ref no he just laughs it off and gets on with the game .so lads temper next time you say something the person next to you might not agree and be offended and have you arrested you could be anywhere not just a football match .so maybe we should take a good look at our self's we all swear we all get frustrated it happens .

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
18 November, 2019 13:43
Quote:
gary anderson
Well seems like we are gonna live in a world where you have to say nothing do nothing and never comet as someone somewhere will be offended and upset .I wonder if we score at our next home match and clap and cheer and jump up and down will that be upsetting someone how long before shouting super white army is gonna offend oposing black players .cm on lads it's getting stupid I agree if you fight and use violence at a football match no place for that but shouting and getting your frustration out by using a few choice words is crazy I don't believe one person on here has not used a few swear words at a game it happens it's part of life very one on here had insulted someone at some time so let's not be holyer than thou .every supporter in every club has shouted abuse at refs in frustration players get abuse from fans ask our keeper he gets it but does he go crying to the ref no he just laughs it off and gets on with the game .so lads temper next time you say something the person next to you might not agree and be offended and have you arrested you could be anywhere not just a football match .so maybe we should take a good look at our self's we all swear we all get frustrated it happens .

You're again missing the point. Here it is:

Quote:
misterecoli
it's really simple, if you do open your mouth just make sure it's not racist or homophobic. It's not exactly rocket science

Or maybe it is rocket science to some?

Uptonrover
Uptonrover
18 November, 2019 13:58
Id be tempted to ask Fifa to deal with any disciplinary so we can look forward to a £2 fine and the fan getting fifty lines. Thats the sort of standard the world governing body sets

Tommy Egg
Tommy Egg
18 November, 2019 14:30
Quote:
Kentexile
Quote:
mrGr33n13
Allsop won, twice.
He managed to wind you all up to where someone lost their head and he was able to make the club look bad.

And then he won again when everyone goes on a mental one for days afterward.

I believe the phrase the kids use is he's living in your head rent free.

You lot tried to banter with him, he won and has forgotten you. You lost and are fuming days later about how the world has gone to pot

Spot on, this. He's wound us up and won. And there's no point whining that Allsop was winding the fans up, Scotty does it all the time to opposition fans.

It doesn't matter whether you think it's right or wrong or if you think people who complain are "snowflakes", the rules are clear - homophobia, like racism, is not acceptable any more. It's not a matter of opinion it's the societal norms of the times we live in now, and the rules of today if you're at a football match. This whole episode makes us look like a bunch of Neanderthals (even if it's only one fan), and arguing the toss over it just makes us look worse not better.

+ 1 (100 %)

gary anderson
gary anderson
18 November, 2019 15:12
Well at the end of the day allsop made gestures to tranmere fans behind his goal .that offended some fans. He got abuse back and did not like it .so all I say is if you don't like the reaction you get back don't give it out in the first place .and he should be held account for his actions as well and to be honest could not care if a player is gay black green or yellow pink or brown if you give out iwhat some might take as insulting gestures don't go sulking off when you get it back .and for the record I am not racist. nephew is gay and proud of him .and my wife comes to some games and hears all sorts of bad language and she just ignores it .

Fiftyyearsarover
Fiftyyearsarover
18 November, 2019 15:19
Well it can only be homophobic if the goalkeeper is gay ,,if so ,someone must have picked up on it ,they don’t come out the closet / shed whatever as a norm .the plot thickens

gary anderson
gary anderson
18 November, 2019 15:41
Well fifty your right but is allsop gay i dont know and if he is so what i dont care that's not the issue he is a professional footballer and should not make gestures to fans and provoke conflict I have seen players booked and sent off for over celebrate a goal. I don't condone violence and fighting at football matches and throwing coins bottles and anything on a pitch is not acceptable. But that did not happen all that went on was he just got a volley of abuse from some fans he wound up .so all I day is the F A should take a look at his actions as well

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
18 November, 2019 15:42
Quote:
gary anderson
Well at the end of the day allsop made gestures to tranmere fans behind his goal .that offended some fans. He got abuse back and did not like it .so all I say is if you don't like the reaction you get back don't give it out in the first place .and he should be held account for his actions as well and to be honest could not care if a player is gay black green or yellow pink or brown if you give out iwhat some might take as insulting gestures don't go sulking off when you get it back .and for the record I am not racist. nephew is gay and proud of him .and my wife comes to some games and hears all sorts of bad language and she just ignores it .

Can you not grasp the difference between dishing out a bit of stick and dishing out racist, homophobic or sexist abuse? And the difference in the effect it can have on people who hear it?

What would your nephew have thought if he'd been sat a few rows from the clown who's been arrested? Would you have shrugged it off and told him just to ignore it? Should the club just ignore it too? Do you think he'd want to come back to watch a game if he had to hear that every week?

rossb07
rossb07
18 November, 2019 15:48
It’s not only homophobic if he’s gay. It’s homophobic by definition of the word, that’s like saying you can call white people any word used by a racist as they’re not black.

Fiftyyearsarover
Fiftyyearsarover
18 November, 2019 15:50
Again ,

the kav
the kav
18 November, 2019 15:51
I made the point last week scotty davies always does this..... it just fires supporters up

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
18 November, 2019 15:51
Quote:
Fiftyyearsarover
Well it can only be homophobic if the goalkeeper is gay ,,if so ,someone must have picked up on it ,they don’t come out the closet / shed whatever as a norm .the plot thickens

Rarely has so much ignorance and prejudice been condensed into one sentence.

Fiftyyearsarover
Fiftyyearsarover
18 November, 2019 16:03
Sorry start again ,yes Aldosmuzzy your right ,not acceptable but homophobia can only be directed to hurt if that person is gay .lf I was called homophobic names I would just laugh it off as I am as far none gay as you can get (ask the girls in Thailand😁) ,so it at worse can be called abuse ,we are all right in one way or the other ,some people get more offended by others ,but mark my words there is going to be a lot more complaining from players now the door is open ,you might as well shut the scarves section in the shop and start selling mouth zips

Dan SWA
Dan SWA
18 November, 2019 16:04
Some of the comments on here are so Victorian it’s quite unbelievable, I too shake my head at some of the PC rules (chalk board/black board etc etc) the complete lack of being able to grasp that this behaviour whether racist,homophobic or religious hate is not acceptable in the world today. You can’t be “a little bit racist” just as you can’t murder someone “a little bit”

gary anderson
gary anderson
18 November, 2019 16:08
Quote:
Aldo'smuzzy
Quote:
gary anderson
Well at the end of the day allsop made gestures to tranmere fans behind his goal .that offended some fans. He got abuse back and did not like it .so all I say is if you don't like the reaction you get back don't give it out in the first place .and he should be held account for his actions as well and to be honest could not care if a player is gay black green or yellow pink or


brown if you give out iwhat some might take as insulting gestures don't go sulking off when you get it back .and for the record I am not racist. nephew is gay and proud of him .and my wife comes to some games and hears all sorts of bad language and she just ignores it .

Can you not grasp the difference between dishing out a bit of stick and dishing out racist, homophobic or sexist abuse? And the difference in the effect it can have on people who hear it?

What would your nephew have thought if he'd been sat a few rows from the clown who's been arrested? Would you have shrugged it off and told him just to ignore it? Should the club just ignore it too? Do you think he'd want to come back to watch a game if he had to hear that every week?
He does go to games a few and he just laughs it off .see he is normal and accepts that people all over the world think different his boyfriend comes now and again and like my nephew could not care a toss .yet you are making such a big deal of it .as said could not give a toss if there keeper was gay the point is he unsighted a conflict and the F A should look at his actions as well .and that's nothing to do with his sexuslity race beliefs of faith .it's about him being a professional footballer getting involved with fans and cousins conflict

SmartRover
SmartRover
18 November, 2019 16:27
There’s me sat in the JK watching Scottie giving and taking banter with the Wycombe fans enjoying what is common practice and part of everyday football, however if you are a true member of the Super White Army you will have gone home yesterday and read all about the sickening incident that was apparently picked up by the microphones placed behind the Kop goal line, there is no place in today’s game for this filth, there cannot be any excuses, you can’t have it both ways. It must stop, we don’t want these people supporting our club so that our sons and daughters can follow the club with pride. End of !

DevonExile
DevonExile
18 November, 2019 17:37
I am not black but at an international cricket match the season before last I took issues with comments made by spectators sitting behind me. They were middle aged but making monkey comparisons about one of the English players. Was I offended - Yes! The comments were facile and tasteless and I was with my 10 year old grandson and saw no reason why he should be exposed to both bad taste and blatant racism.
If Allsop provoked spectators then he would warrant disciplinary action but anyone choosing to use race or homophobic comments is responsible for their own prejudice in seeing either as an acceptable form of insult.
In relative terms this country has a good record in terms of respecting minorities. That would be eroded if ignoring abuse was seen as acceptable.
If that qualifies me as a snowflake so be it

Dan SWA
Dan SWA
18 November, 2019 17:57
I guess nobody on here would complain if they had a heart attack and were saved by a gay/black/Asian/transgender/lesbian or non gender specific doctor. It’s called tolerance,you have a right to your opinions just as much as others have a right to live their life in a safe and respectful way.

misterecoli
misterecoli
18 November, 2019 17:59
Quote:
Fiftyyearsarover
....mistercoli has it about right ,if you don’t like gays ,blacks, gypsies ,.jews Martians . immigrant,Muslims etc .and that’s fine by me , there is no Law you have to like them

Just to be clear, that’s not my point of view, if you don’t like gay, black, whomever just because they are different to you then that’s not fine by me, I think such people are Neanderthals. I was just pointing out why the particular alleged comments this thread refers too are unacceptable, and that’s why they are tightly being investigated.

I’m absolutely amazed that the universal response isn’t to condemn such behaviour.

Loyden1
Loyden1
18 November, 2019 18:15
I'm dreading the next ginger goalie that plays at ppark

bheadlad
bheadlad
18 November, 2019 19:08
If Allsop is at fault he should be investigated.If he gets booed at every contact at Adams park it might unsettle him and would be brought on by himself and surely would not be homophobic to boo.
There would be enough evidence on tv that he interacted with our fans and that common sense would have been that he didn’t say or do anything to the fans but only report to the referee.So in future he may experience verbal from other clubs fans seeing it unnerved him in this game

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
18 November, 2019 19:20
i doubt he was unnerved in the slightest, he probably hasn't paid us a second thought.

he wanted to wind the fans up, and did so.

seems a few on here are so precious and easily offended that they cannot let it go.

misterecoli
misterecoli
18 November, 2019 19:24
Quote:
mrGr33n13
i doubt he was unnerved in the slightest, he probably hasn't paid us a second thought.
he wanted to wind the fans up, and did so.

seems a few on here are so precious and easily offended that they cannot let it go.

Yep, lot of snowflakes in this thread

Bored rover
Bored rover
18 November, 2019 19:46
Most ridiculous post on this forum, and the reason way we will to be labelled in this way as a club. There is absolutely no excuse for discrimination, homophobic, racist or otherwise. Ever heard the phrase two wrongs don’t make a right. The forum should remove this thread!

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Phil65
18 November, 2019 20:46
Homophobic comments aimed at the gay members of our community are a hate crime and should be dealt with accordingly by the law. Homophobic comments aimed at others are uttered in a derogatory manner an attempt to undermine them, casting aspersions that being gay is an affliction. Sadly, casual homophobia/homophobic comments still proliferate in society, from playgrounds to pubs, old habits die hard. There's a long way to go yet along the evolutionary path and I'm a big believer in continued education to enlighten us all to become a more inclusive, less offensive and more accepting society. It's tougher for some than others, but even if it means dragging them kicking and screaming in to a more tolerant world, then needs must. Perhaps the arrested fan should lead the next PRIDE march to educate them to the value that diversity brings to our society; maybe education/anger management over punishment would lead to a better outcome, or is that a snowflake outlook!

Loyden1
Loyden1
19 November, 2019 00:00
It's early for Xmas songs but is there anyone on here that has never sang along to "the fairytale of new York " just wondering

bheadlad
bheadlad
19 November, 2019 06:25
Quote:
mrGr33n13
i doubt he was unnerved in the slightest, he probably hasn't paid us a second thought.
he wanted to wind the fans up, and did so.

seems a few on here are so precious and easily offended that they cannot let it go.
You have your opinion but he was unnerved enough to complain and if he were to get booed then it might distract him enough to underperform which might help TRFC out.Winding up our fans also requires some degree of premeditation and again might be to our advantage
How do you know he wanted to wind our fans up etc
Maybe your family or psychic or maybe just your lone opinion
Hopefully we get through and we score a hatful to give him a sore back picking it out the net

Fiftyyearsarover
Fiftyyearsarover
19 November, 2019 08:33
I think a sore back will be the least of his worries, might get hyperthermia standing around for to long


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