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Discussion started by Pete SF (IP Logged), 10 November, 2019 01:43
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Pete SF
10 November, 2019 01:43
We need a new keeper in January transfer window. Scotty is ok but not that good. To many longballs down the middle. The first goal today he should caught it instead punching it out which resulted them getting a free kick and scoring from it.

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
10 November, 2019 03:01
Yeah.

We should defo buy a keeper that never makes mistakes.

And a striker that never misses whilst we are at it...

Hoots Mon
Hoots Mon
10 November, 2019 09:53
Quote:
mrGr33n13
Yeah.
We should defo buy a keeper that never makes mistakes.

And a striker that never misses whilst we are at it...

+1

Jack of all Trades
Jack of all Trades
10 November, 2019 10:12
This is Scotty's fifth season and as far as I am concerned he is still well in credit in terms of mistakes.

We are now playing at a higher level with more intensity and the outfield players mistakes have increased significantly but, as usual, it's the goalkeeper who gets the most flak, as his mistake usually leads to a goal.

I can honestly say of the league 1 goalkeepers seen so far, not one has been so outstanding that I would swop them for Scotty.

ADD
ADD
10 November, 2019 12:16
I tend to agree with Jack of all Trades. At this level all goalkeepers are flawed. My concern is that for 5 years Davies has never had any real competition and no matter how hard he trains knowing he won't be dropped is not ideal for the team's overall development.
He remains a great reaction save keeper but his command of his box is poor and he is so so suspect under the high ball.... I can't imagine any other keeper in L1 yesterday deciding on punching that one. To me shows a lack of confidence which seems to be growing this season.

Uptonrover
Uptonrover
10 November, 2019 12:18
I will say along with losing Norwood, that losing Steve Banks was a massive blow

Bored rover
Bored rover
10 November, 2019 14:33
He's just a signed a new contract that says all that needs to be said on Davies like or loathe him. I do think he makes a lot of errors and he’s not string in the air but there has to be some constant snd usually its through the spine of which we already lost the head so loosing the feet probably not a great idea

the kav
the kav
10 November, 2019 15:19
Said it since we bought him scott davies is not as good as he thinks he is....

He makes some incredible howlers but the crowd like him cos he pulls tongues at and baits the away supporters so it goes under the radar .

On the other hand who would we get to replace him? I like ashmore at maidstone and loach at poolies but they are untested at this level and clubs are hardly forming an orderly queue to sign them!

It's a tough one! Not as good as he thinks he is but good enough for league 1 in my opinion

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
10 November, 2019 15:46
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the kav

He makes some incredible howlers but the crowd like him cos he pulls tongues at and baits the away supporters so it goes under the radar .

Funny enough that's the one part of his game I don't like - very non-league and can create unnecessary pressure when we don't need it.

I agree though he's good enough for L1, but only if he keeps on top of his game.

Btw our old chum Ashmore is now at our old chums Boreham Wood, together with our old chum Tshimanga, who's still banging them in.

paulbyron
paulbyron
10 November, 2019 16:02
I noticed the players heads drop after Wycombe's 1st goal how much was down to conceding or the manner of the goal but davies should have saved it

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Matt34
10 November, 2019 20:40
I wonder if Fon Williams would ever return, whilst he was still in decent nick? Currently at Hamilton.

If it was a possibility would he offer more than Davies?



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

MoanerLesser
Account Deleted FoaHsssleFreeLife
11 November, 2019 08:56
Fantastic save at wembley that ensured Tranmere won to get to league 1. Fantastic save near to the end of the Wycombe game to ensure didn't lose. Wonder who is keeping actual stats on saves made, punches versus catches etc, rather than just focussing on glaring errors in a game? How many punches resulted in no goals conceded? Never seems to be a thread when Davies has been outstanding in a game.

Fiftyyearsarover
Fiftyyearsarover
11 November, 2019 09:13
As I have said not for me a goalkeeping captain could be taking his eyes of the ball to see what others are doing he must be thinking about things purely by being captain .when fit Banks or Ellis to be captain

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
11 November, 2019 10:40
captains flip a coin on before the game.

that's it.

buffon won 6 consecutive league titles as captain

cassilas won 2 la ligas, a champions league a world cup and 2 euro championships as captain.

people think captaincy is some magic position that decides games and impacts performances.

crazy

Fiftyyearsarover
Fiftyyearsarover
11 November, 2019 12:09
Sorry Mrgr ,captain sees things, moves players ,cajoles them just like big Steve did for us and now at York, you can’t do it from your goal when players up the pitch ,its a Johnny on the spot job ,

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
11 November, 2019 12:26
Crazy how teams win with goal keepers as captains

I wonder how McNulty manages to communicate with people outside of football? Maybe he wears the magic armband down the pub, also

Muir the merrier
Muir the merrier
11 November, 2019 14:13
Buffon and Cassilas both seasoned pro's, class internationals and both protected by class internationals in front of them....NO comparison.

Seems to me MrGr you appear to get very emotional if anybody even mentions passing the captaincy on.

Davies, although makes some great saves makes occasional howlers too .....your repetitive condescending magical armband comment is quickly becoming a bore.

rossb07
rossb07
11 November, 2019 14:16
Being a captain is about more than the 90 and Scotty is everything that we need in a leader off the pitch. Yes we pay his wage but he just gets the club also which is why he may have got the nod ahead of others.

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
11 November, 2019 14:34
Exactly. Davies is the senior pro, a long timer who's been on the whole journey and distinguished himself in the process. He's one that the new players and young players will look up to. Rides perhaps also.

The idea that captaincy affects on-field performance is outdated in football (with the possible exception of the national team because of all the baggage that comes with it). You need leaders all over the pitch. McNulty would have been exactly the same player without the armband, Perkins for example would be exactly the same player with the armband. And Davies would be exactly the same player without the armband too.

Some clubs have dabbled with having a separate club captain and a team captain. They don't now because it was irrelevant. We're talking about grown up professionals, not little kids who need someone to show them the way for 90 minutes - there's already a couple of blokes in the technical area doing that!

mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
11 November, 2019 15:06
"Buffon and Cassilas both seasoned pro's, class internationals and both protected by class internationals in front of them"

which is exactly my point. them having the armband had no effect and could take neither credit nor blame for on field performance.

the captaincy is all about off the pitch.

for example see his leadership with handling the passing of luke. he was a @#$%& rock and made himself available to fans, and helped organise tributes.

two of his tweets sum it up after his passing sum it up

"Let’s show everyone what the SWA represent
💙
ALL AS 1
⚽️"

"23 minutes Saturday.. stand up and show who we are
💙"

that is the mark of a true captain. someone who gets the club, the fans and brings people together

not being able to track where kieron morris is on the pitch is lol.

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
11 November, 2019 15:16
Or, turning the argument around the other way, if the captaincy is ever weighing too heavily on a player's shoulders, the first people who'd recognise that would be the manager, coaching staff or the player himself. And it would easily be fixed. The fact that hasn't happened suggests it's not an issue.

Eric01 Tranmere
Eric01 Tranmere
11 November, 2019 15:51
Quote:
mrGr33n13
Yeah.
We should defo buy a keeper that never makes mistakes.

And a striker that never misses whilst we are at it...

And a midfielder player who never makes a poor pass? Oh, and a defender that never misses a tackle? Or maybe we stick with what we've got???

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Phil65
11 November, 2019 19:28
Okay, let's dump captaincy in Room 101 alongside VAR and coffee Revels. We should just have a "Sticky" Room 101 thread that we can dump unwanted, useless items in to.....now there's a thought.

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
11 November, 2019 19:37
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Phil65
Okay, let's dump captaincy in Room 101

Why?

paulbyron
paulbyron
11 November, 2019 19:47
davies is probably the captain for all the reasons aldo,smuzzy has stated but watching perkins bossing everyone about on sat, was brilliant

FloodlitFridays
FloodlitFridays
11 November, 2019 20:12
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Phil65
Okay, let's dump captaincy in Room 101 alongside VAR and coffee Revels. We should just have a "Sticky" Room 101 thread that we can dump unwanted, useless items in to.....now there's a thought.

I'll hoover up any unwanted coffee Revels. You can dump the orange ones, however... and throw in that Cooper pillock from FGR beforehand to cushion their fall grinning smiley

MESSAGES->author
Phil65
11 November, 2019 20:29
Quote:
Aldo'smuzzy
Quote:
Phil65
Okay, let's dump captaincy in Room 101

Why?

🤔
What follows why............😴💤
Seeing as you asked though:
"The idea that captaincy affects on-field performance is out-dated in football. You need leaders all over the pitch. McNulty would have been exactly the same player without the armband, Perkins for example would be exactly the same player with the armband. And Davis would be exactly the same player without the armband too.....We're talking about grown up professionals, not little kids who need someone to show them the way for 90 minutes - there's a couple of blokes in the technical area doing that!"......such a compelling argument, whoever the author was, for the case for captaincy to go in Room 101.
🎷Tequila🎶💝

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
11 November, 2019 20:36
Oh dear, from the self-styled champion of free speech too. Lol.

MoanerLesser
Account Deleted FoaHsssleFreeLife
21 November, 2019 12:19
For balance, WELL DONE Scottie....

DevonExile
DevonExile
21 November, 2019 18:39
I have always rated Davies and last night showed that he can win us games. The one criticism , and it was evident a couple of times last night is that he now chooses to punch out crosses more than he used to do and his technique does not look right as he often does not get distance. I wonder both whether the increase in using the option to punch the ball out comes from coaching and whether the same coaching could not do more to improve this aspect of another wise very good keeper

Borough Roaderd
Tranmere69
21 November, 2019 18:57
I'll stick with Scottie until MM says different. He has been one of the major reasons for our recent success.

aktrfc
aktrfc
21 November, 2019 20:45
I’ve always rated him as a keeper and the only time I’ve had a go at him, is when he acts like a kid with the away fans and wastes time. Yes he does my head in at time, but still think he’s the bast at this level.

Kentexile
Kentexile
22 November, 2019 09:21
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DevonExile
I have always rated Davies and last night showed that he can win us games. The one criticism , and it was evident a couple of times last night is that he now chooses to punch out crosses more than he used to do and his technique does not look right as he often does not get distance. I wonder both whether the increase in using the option to punch the ball out comes from coaching and whether the same coaching could not do more to improve this aspect of another wise very good keeper

I don't know what to think of this punching thing, so many keepers do it these days. There was a time when we used to laugh at foreign keepers who did it but those days are long gone. Balls are much lighter now and they spin and swerve all over the place, maybe that's a part of it. But when a keeper drops the ball under pressure, 9 times out of 10 he gets a free kick anyway.

MoanerLesser
Account Deleted FoaHsssleFreeLife
22 November, 2019 16:35
What is the obsession with punching the ball? How many times has he punched the ball and a goal has been scored directly? And how many times has a punch resulted in no goal conceded? I have seen a number of times where a goalkeeper has tried to catch and then dropped the ball which has then resulted in a goal.

Catch 22 I guess.

Eric01 Tranmere
Eric01 Tranmere
22 November, 2019 17:58
But if it's a punch it needs to be with power out towards either touch line. Not straight forward down the throat of their centre forward.

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Matt34
22 November, 2019 23:08
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letthestatstellthetruth
Catch 22 I guess.

Is that the number of goalstopping attempts goalkeepers make in a season that aren't punches (Sm7)



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

kennyspint
kennyspint
22 November, 2019 23:35
Quote:
Matt34
Quote:
letthestatstellthetruth
Catch 22 I guess.

Is that the number of goalstopping attempts goalkeepers make in a season that aren't punches (Sm7)
Nice one Matt

LongStandingFan
LongStandingFan
22 November, 2019 23:52
I think Scotty is a descent keeper at this level, and he makes some very good reaction, close-range saves. However, he does seem to have issues with shots outside the box and he sometimes seems to palm efforts out in front of him, which does issues for his defence. The punching out of crosses etc may be a move used in training, but when it goes wrong it can lead to criticism. The way the defence has played early season may have lead the coaches to push Scotty towards the punch rather than to catch the ball, in case he drops it and takes stick for it ?
Really we do need a better understudy for the keeper position so as to challenge Scotty and keep him on his toes, but that can be easier said than done.

MoanerLesser
Account Deleted FoaHsssleFreeLife
23 November, 2019 11:21
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Eric01 Tranmere
But if it's a punch it needs to be with power out towards either touch line. Not straight forward down the throat of their centre forward.

Again, how many of his punches have directly resulted in goals, and how many haven't. People only ever remember mistakes....

gary anderson
gary anderson
23 November, 2019 11:55
Scotty is a great keeper and as been said he is one of the main reasons we are in league one and not kicking around in that awful national league .but just my opinion making him captain this seasonight have affected his game in a small way .but would never replace him he does at most do a great job loves the club and it's fans .but being a keeper if you make a error it stands out like a sore thumb .unlike outfield players a lot of errors don't even get noticed ..the joys of being a keeper I guess


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