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Lee Dixon identified why post-Invincibles Arsene Wenger and Unai Emery flopped at Arsenal
Discussion started by Merlion96 , 27 March, 2020 06:53
Lee Dixon identified why post-Invincibles Arsene Wenger and Unai Emery flopped at Arsenal
Merlion96 27 March, 2020 06:53
However, Henry feels United’s current dressing room lacks the battle-hardened and imposing characters who would be able to guide Martial through in the same way. Speaking on Arsenal podcast Handbrake Off, club legend Dixon explained: ‘I talked about that with him [Henry] recently. We did some work together with Amazon Prime when they had the two games around Christmas time. I presumed he knew Martial because they’re from the same area in France so I asked him about Martial. ‘I said, “What he’s like?” and he looked at me with that look that he does as if to say: “Have I not already spoken to you about this?” ‘And he said, “He’s exactly like I was when I came to Arsenal. He needs to go through the process like I did with you lot and I don’t know if the Manchester United dressing room is like that”. He said that was the making of him. ‘To liken himself to Martial or another player to him, it really painted a picture of what Martial was like and what his character was like because he’s super-talented like Thierry was and I think his development would have been similar. ‘I’m not saying he would have been as good as Thierry – but would have been similar if he had been in the old United dressing room with the characters like what we had in our dressing room. He certainly talks about that as a real learning lesson in his curve to get how brilliant he was.’

Dixon added: ‘No, we didn’t kick the ball and think what he was thinking in his head but we channeled it into the right areas at the right time and we wouldn’t put up with the stuff when he first came. His not training very hard, being a bit sulky… that wasn’t allowed. ‘You’re not allowed to come into our workplace and be like that. It wasn’t a case of allowing him a certain amount of leeway here and there. ‘It was: this is how it’s done, this is The Arsenal, this is how we dress, this is how we train and this is what we behave like. If you’re in, you’re in and you’ll be one of mates. if you’re not, you’re not. ‘I think that was a big thing for him.’

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Conclusion:
There simply no battle-hardened veterans like Fab-4 and Patrick Vieira in the dressing room to show what is the "Arsenal Way" and how it is done.

Ancedotes on TA angrily pulled Anelka by his collars against the wall and snarled at him!
And Vieira used his @#$%& to slap Anelka in the dressing room, fed-up of his antics.

No more leaders since Vieira left and we just continue to decline as a team.

Arteta hit it right on the head:
His first task is to restore the "Arsenal identity", whatever it is.
And now who are the battle-hardened leaders he identified to show the way - Luiz? Xhaka?

Kudos to Arteta for restoring belief and pride into Luiz, Xhaka, Mustafi and Ozil to play as well as they can.



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Re: Lee Dixon identified why post-Invincibles Arsene Wenger and Unai Emery flopped at Arsenal
weedz 28 March, 2020 08:33
I totally agree about leadership at Arsenal since the mid naughties.
There have been 1 or 2 quality leaders, but they have not been high quality players, who were first name down.
A bad mistake by AW in not naming Gilberto as Capt when TH14 got the arm band, IMO.
And it is quite obvious that MK has great man-management skills



Self sustainable is a word that rich people with short arms and deep pockets use.

Re: Lee Dixon identified why post-Invincibles Arsene Wenger and Unai Emery flopped at Arsenal
mapleleafgooner 28 March, 2020 19:59
None of the current bunch come close to Adams and Vierra as team leaders. In between then and now, possibly only Arteta had that mean streak in him to be the team leader. He was unfortunately too often injured and became a long line of non-playing captains.

Re: Lee Dixon identified why post-Invincibles Arsene Wenger and Unai Emery flopped at Arsenal
Bergmars 29 March, 2020 12:12
Stating the obvious methinks



Under new managment

Re: Lee Dixon identified why post-Invincibles Arsene Wenger and Unai Emery flopped at Arsenal
Padre Pio 29 March, 2020 17:24
Amy Lawrence outlined this case completely in her book The Invincibles, its a rehash, but no reason not to discuss it. It was Wenger who devalued the role of Captain with subsequent consequences we are still living with.
Arteta does understand the role of Captain so perhaps we can look forward to better times.



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

Re: Lee Dixon identified why post-Invincibles Arsene Wenger and Unai Emery flopped at Arsenal
mapleleafgooner 30 March, 2020 14:31
Quote:
Padre Pio
Amy Lawrence outlined this case completely in her book The Invincibles, its a rehash, but no reason not to discuss it. It was Wenger who devalued the role of Captain with subsequent consequences we are still living with.
Arteta does understand the role of Captain so perhaps we can look forward to better times.

Totally agree with u that Wenger did not see the value of a captain. When asked, he would often reply he has 11 leaders on the field. However in team sports, u need a leader and followers to carry out the team vision. Wenger likes player harmony and having a leader does sometime create uncomfortable moments of player conflict. I think Wenger is basically a communist or socialist under his skin.

Re: Lee Dixon identified why post-Invincibles Arsene Wenger and Unai Emery flopped at Arsenal
litmus 31 March, 2020 14:01
It's more like Wenger was an idealist, a 'romantic'. He has a beautiful vision of a lot of things. And yes, having a perfect harmonious team with "11 leaders on the field" playing beautiful football was one of it.

But I tell you this - for decades people remembered and will remember Wenger's Arsenal (and Rinus Micheal's Ajax's) for what they brought to the game. We didn't win too many things, let's be honest. Others won more but when Arsenal played it was like watching a beautiful concerto. 10-20 years from now, many would struggle to remember which team won the league in what year, and how many times they did, but they will always remember Wenger's Arsenal at their best.


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