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Arsenal Signing players on Loan
Discussion started by younghansolo , 08 January, 2020 10:20
Arsenal Signing players on Loan
younghansolo 08 January, 2020 10:20
We keep on doing this and have done for years and apparently we are looking to do it again.

I would seriously question this strategy. I mean can anyone think of a single player we have ever brought on loan that actually did a good job? I'm struggling to think of any except maybe Henry (and that doesn't really count imo.)

You have to question the sense of leadership who persists with ideas that offer no value whatsoever.

I'm not sure why the hierarchy aren't changing tactics here and looking to either sell players for a loss to clear room or seek additional investment to spend more instead of loaning.

Loans are simply a bad investment.

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
CazOnARola 08 January, 2020 10:23
Benayoun's goal against west ham was priceless in getting top 4 that season. Other than that can't remember.
Was julio baptista on loan?

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
Boston Gooner 08 January, 2020 10:46
Terrible way to run the club.



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Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
AJ The Gunner 08 January, 2020 10:58
This penny pinching club pretend they want us to remain a top club yet wallow in mediocrity all the time. Total disgrace



Wenger Is Gone Now So Can We Be Allowed To Breathe Now???

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
Boston Gooner 08 January, 2020 12:22

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
BootyDaddy 08 January, 2020 13:29
I thought Baptista did alright for us as far as loan signings go. Scored some important goals as well, including 4 in the same game against Liverpool.

That said our loan deals are usually terrible. Apparently we've paid £15m for Cebellos for this season. If that's actually true Raul, Edu etc need shooting.



Albert Einstein once said: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
CazOnARola 08 January, 2020 14:27
After the pinnacle of brokeback sweden, it's all been downhill since.

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
mapleleafgooner 08 January, 2020 16:15
Nothing wrong taking the loan route. Even very successful clubs like Bayern take players on loan. The issue here is whether we are loaning the right players to help us. So far, our track record is not that great. Suarez is a recent example of a poor loan. Jury still out on Ceballos.



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Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
Padre Pio 08 January, 2020 17:06
Quote:
CazOnARola
Benayoun's goal against west ham was priceless in getting top 4 that season. Other than that can't remember.
Was julio baptista on loan?
Yes he was



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
CazOnARola 08 January, 2020 17:58
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Padre Pio
Quote:
CazOnARola
Benayoun's goal against west ham was priceless in getting top 4 that season. Other than that can't remember.
Was julio baptista on loan?
Yes he was
Then he was by far our biggest success. Pity he didn't fancy the cold weather and got home sick. Was a decent player for us.

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
SandyB 08 January, 2020 19:15
Quote:
younghansolo
We keep on doing this and have done for years and apparently we are looking to do it again.
I would seriously question this strategy. I mean can anyone think of a single player we have ever brought on loan that actually did a good job? I'm struggling to think of any except maybe Henry (and that doesn't really count imo.)

You have to question the sense of leadership who persists with ideas that offer no value whatsoever.

I'm not sure why the hierarchy aren't changing tactics here and looking to either sell players for a loss to clear room or seek additional investment to spend more instead of loaning.

Loans are simply a bad investment.

Agreed. Totally failed strategy.

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
BootyDaddy 08 January, 2020 20:29
Quote:
CazOnARola
After the pinnacle of brokeback sweden, it's all been downhill since.

Brokeback Sweden (Sm126)



Albert Einstein once said: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
Flava 08 January, 2020 22:45
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CazOnARola
After the pinnacle of brokeback sweden, it's all been downhill since.

Haha, great name

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
Willy 09 January, 2020 09:58
Brokeback tucked away a penalty in the FA Cup semi though...

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
Shane 09 January, 2020 20:43
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BootyDaddy
I thought Baptista did alright for us as far as loan signings go. Scored some important goals as well, including 4 in the same game against Liverpool.

Scored a couple against Tottenham too. Looking back I used to feel quite sorry for Tottenham back then. They went 2-0 ahead and they thought they'd get their first win over Arsenal since 1999, and then Julio f*cking Baptista comes along and scores a brace and wrecks it for them. That was a Worthington Cup game or whatever it was called back then.

We literally didn't lose a Premier League game to Tottenham for 11 years, which is astounding if you think about it. Sol Campbell was playing centre-back for us, and he was probably their favourite player the last time they beat us!

Hold on let's do this right: Sol left Spurs, joined Arsenal, won a bunch of things, scored in Champions League final, signed for Portsmouth and won FA Cup, left to join Notts County, got sacked, re-joined Arsenal and Tottenham didn't manage a Premier League victory against us in that entire time.

Sorry to veer off track.

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
litmus 10 January, 2020 06:50
Loans should be the exception rather than the rule.

Do it when necessary, it can be useful. Only when you need a spot filled on a temporary basis due to a long-term injury to a key player. For example, if Leno gets a three-month injury, it might not be the best idea to simply spend 40 million on another top keeper while he recovers. If you buy, then when the other recovers, you'll have two top keepers and one of them would be very upset being a back-up and will start causing trouble.

Loans are also a good way to "test" a player to see if he can fit in the team/league before deciding if he's worth splashing the cash on. For example, we should have loaned Mustafi first.

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
CazOnARola 10 January, 2020 07:03
You forgot the third option. When you have long term injuries in the middle of the season and you don't have any money to buy new players eventhough you desperately need to smiling smiley

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
MattySadler 10 January, 2020 08:00
I think the loan system could be used in a strategic and beneficial way by any clubs. Unfortunately we haven't done that in recent years.

Dani Ceballlos who's good game so far you could count on one hand and has been out injured for a while.

Denis Suarez quite possibly signed whilst not fit and made no impact.

Kim Kallstrom again signed whilst not fit, but did score a penalty in a shoot out.

Emiliano Viviano signed for an entire season and didn't play a single minute in any competition.

Yossi Benayoun who was a useful part of the squad that season.

Not exactly a great adver for the loan system but it can be done.

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
Sanogone 10 January, 2020 21:08
Nothing wrong with the loan system.

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
Sanogone 10 January, 2020 21:10
The beast scored 4 at Liverpool.
Dani actually won the game vs Burnley.

This is new for us... Blame City for big clubs needing to loan... not Arsenal.

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
plonky 11 January, 2020 00:54
Can'r be bothered whether they're loaners or permanent signings as long as they improve the team.

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
MattySadler 15 January, 2020 22:24
On similar lines, reports this evening Arteta has decided against sending Eddie Nketiah out on loan again.

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
Boston Gooner 15 January, 2020 23:25
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MattySadler
On similar lines, reports this evening Arteta has decided against sending Eddie Nketiah out on loan again.

Strange that.

Hope we aren't relying on him.



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Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
MattySadler 16 January, 2020 06:04
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Boston Gooner
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MattySadler
On similar lines, reports this evening Arteta has decided against sending Eddie Nketiah out on loan again.

Strange that.

Hope we aren't relying on him.

Ornstein is saying that Arteta has been impressed in training.

With Aubameyang out for 3 games, Laccazette looking awful at the moment and Martinelli very young and just back from an injury I guess it makes sense.

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
Willy 16 January, 2020 18:20
Genuinely cannot remember Viviano - what position did he (apparently) play?

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
MattySadler 16 January, 2020 18:34
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Willy
Genuinely cannot remember Viviano - what position did he (apparently) play?

Keeper.

Re: Arsenal Signing players on Loan
MattySadler 19 January, 2020 10:30
Something positive from one of our players out on loan. Yesterday Tyreece John-Jules scored his first senior goal, the only goal of the game as Lincoln beat Blackpool 1-0.


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