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Mereged Thread VAR So you are loving VAR ?
Discussion started by Padre Pio , 21 August, 2019 17:12
Mereged Thread VAR So you are loving VAR ?
Padre Pio 21 August, 2019 17:12
How sponsors could use VAR to spoil the game

Guardian



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 22/08/2019 09:29 by Padre Pio.

VAR
Gunnersingh1 19 August, 2019 22:49
I hate it. It's ruining my enjoyment of football.

I don't know how everyone else feels?

Re: VAR
Padre Pio 19 August, 2019 22:54
I agree its shite. Its completely behind the backs of watching fans, so its more exclusive, and it takes the spontaneity out of the game.
Its making the game more boring.



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

Re: VAR
Boston Gooner 19 August, 2019 23:16
VAR is terrible.
The only thing they should keep is the goal line technology.



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Re: VAR
CazOnARola 20 August, 2019 06:54
I think they need to tweak it to override blatant errors. Using it for offsides by 2 inches and unintentional handballs is stupid

Re: VAR
goonerred 20 August, 2019 12:12
I think it takes the emotion out of goals. I was at the ladies semi -final in Lyon against the USA, despite England fans been totally outnumbered by USA fans, most of our stand was filled with French supporters who were supporting England, the stand erupted when we 'scored'. I thought we were going to win, it was a French guy sitting next to me who pointed out that it had gone to VAR, and he asked his friend watching it on TV to check it. It's so deflating. Can't argue when there proves to be an infraction, but I don't think I'll ever cheer a goal again until VAR has checked it.

Re: VAR
BootyDaddy 20 August, 2019 13:54
Yeah I’m not a fan either as it stands.

The problem is it’s supposed to remove any controversial moments at critical times. But it doesn’t does it because at the end of the day it’s still someone sat in a room some where’s opinion whether something is offside, a red card or whatever else.

It also takes the passion out of goals being scored because now you have to wait ‘just in case’ for that someone sat in a room to give their one and only opinion that matters.

People want to talk about the offside that were or weren’t given, the goal that should have or shouldn’t have counted, or who should have been sent off and when as it that’s only reason so and so won because it would have changed the game. That’s what football is about and why games are discussed days, week and years afterwards.

I liked the goal line technology as you simply can’t argue with that but with VAR it was a case of be careful what you wish for. There’s a reason football is the most passionate game on the planet and having that passion robbed off you a minute or two after you’ve scored is just plain wrong.

If it’s going to move forward it has to evolve. I’m glad it’s no longer ridiculous to the point a ref jogs off the pitch to watch a replay several times to then give …. well his opinion again.

Maybe look at how cricket has done it as it slowed down the game too much at first with umpires signalling to go to video every 5 minutes for every LBW shout, slight edge or potential run outs. Now the umpire makes a decision and the captain has a certain amount of challenges per innings. Why not let the refs make the decisions like their supposed to and a captain can go to VAR once per half only to challenge a decision. That would remove all this constant checking every last thing and would make things more interesting that a captain/manager has to use their challenge wisely rather than appealing silly things like we’re seeing being reviewed now.



Albert Einstein once said: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Re: VAR
SuperRob 20 August, 2019 14:11
I think Var in general is great. I'd rather have the correct decision rather than being left bitter at the end of the game because of refereeing mistakes costing us a win.

I think reviewing everything all the time is the problem. Teams should be able to challenge like in tennis and field hockey. They get 1 incorrect challenge per half. The captain or whoever should have to state what they think was wrong and if they're proven right, the decision can be overturned.

With offside though, I don't understand the arguments that it's only 1cm offside so it shouldn't be given. You have to define somehow what offside means and therefore there will always be close calls and if you are 1cm offside the it should be given as offside. Its not an opinion.

Re: VAR
Flava 20 August, 2019 16:43
I was a big fan of this coming in but I agree with the comments above. It's not good.

Re: VAR
Ares 20 August, 2019 20:54
I can't hack it

Re: VAR
Bergmars 20 August, 2019 21:32
Stupid rule that if the ball hits an attackers arm that leads to a goal its disallowed but hitting a defenders in the same way is not penalised its ridiculous.



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Re: VAR
SuperRob 20 August, 2019 22:45
Quote:
Bergmars
Stupid rule that if the ball hits an attackers arm that leads to a goal its disallowed but hitting a defenders in the same way is not penalised its ridiculous.

Agree. If it hits your hand it should be handball, no exceptions. That's the only way to make the rule fair.

Re: VAR
MickTheMan aka grayfox 20 August, 2019 23:05
VAR is good. I don't know what some of you are blabbing about. You get a right decision more often. People who watch football need to get used to that. Simple as that. It's work in progress still but i can't understand how could someone put his excitement above a fair and square result.

It's the new handball rule that is stupid and now seems to be favouring spuds only.

Re: VAR
goonerred 21 August, 2019 09:39
People babbling, or discussing, on a forum. Mmm... When you are at match, at the ground, when a goal is scored the stadium erupts, you don't look for the screens nor probably can you see them to realise that a VAR thing is ongoing. It just takes the passion out of the game a bit, guess you have to go to live matches to appreciate that though.

I agree with the handball, all should be handball or none if it's deemed to be accidental. I also think that it's a good idea to have a set number of reviews called for by the team. Players know when someone has used a hand, it might also stop players from claiming for everything.

Re: VAR
BootyDaddy 21 August, 2019 10:16
There has to be a happy medium is the point. Reviewing anything and everything as it is now is s.hite and just saps the passion out of a game that is known for being the most passionate sport on the planet.

Cricket is a slow game anyway and the introduction of video reviews slowed it down even further which is why they made RDS 2 challenges for each side per innings (or 1 in a 1 dayer). There are obviously still the odd decision that is then made incorrectly but that just puts extra emphasis on making the right challenges at the right time and not just for any bulls.hit handball or finger being offside.

At the end of the day let the ref do what they’re paid for; referee football matches and make big calls. Then allow 1 challenge for each team per half which can be made by either the manager or captain. They could even adopt the other rule where if you get your first challenge wrong then you don’t get the second. That will certainly mean then that it’s highly likely the teams challenges will only be for legit appeals and not slow the game down further, rather than some of the nonsense things we have seen reviewed of late.



Albert Einstein once said: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Re: VAR
Padre Pio 21 August, 2019 10:26
Quote:
goonerred
People babbling, or discussing, on a forum. Mmm... When you are at match, at the ground, when a goal is scored the stadium erupts, you don't look for the screens nor probably can you see them to realise that a VAR thing is ongoing. It just takes the passion out of the game a bit, guess you have to go to live matches to appreciate that though.

I have a feeling VAR suits TV, so more passion to be sucked out of a spectator sport until it is a meaningless experience.



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

Re: VAR
litmus 22 August, 2019 02:50
I wanted VAR for offsides ever since Ramsey legit goal against Liverpool was chalked off for offside when it wasn't. I understand the criticisms, but in the end, its about getting the major decisions right. Its not every play that goes on, only the major ones, like doubtful goals or penalties that are reviewed. If an offside is called early, there are no issues right? The delays and killjoy moments is the necessary price to pay for the correct decisions. A goal that shouldn't have been given, a goal that was chalked off unfairly. If a goal is clear cut like Auba's and Laca's goals against Burnley, there is no issue. Getting it right is based on the right principles.

Re: Mereged Thread VAR So you are loving VAR ?
Padre Pio 23 August, 2019 18:20
From the Guardian
Marina Hyde
"Back in May, one sports marketing executive estimated to the Financial Times that VAR had been on screen for 27 minutes during last summer’s World Cup, and hazarded that the bigger international tournaments could clear £50m for sponsorship of this most pregnant of pauses, or up to £100m if bundled with other opportunities.

Little could be more inevitable than confirmation from Fifa that they were receiving approaches from companies keen to be associated with the Infuriating Scientific Hiatus. Fifa were currently rejecting the offers, but indicated that would change once development of the system itself was no longer the “top priority”. (Needless to say, there is a whole school of conspiracists who deem football so commercialised that they believe the VAR system has specifically been introduced for this purpose.)

With most advertising being pitchside or on players’ kit, the chance to have your brand plastered over something absolutely central to the progress of a match must feel tempting. You know, eventually. And also great value for money. Arriving at a VAR decision may take a mere eleventy minutes in linear time, but emotionally, spiritually – and in terms of anger management – it feels a lot longer. Thus for any potential sponsors, it’s like you’re buying some time, but getting a lot more for free.

In Australia’s A-League VAR is already sponsored by McDonald’s, with the fast food giant proudly described as “the Official Partner of the Video Assistant Referee system”. As far as the present, arguably suboptimal situation in the Premier League goes, being described as “the official partner of VAR” feels marginally less desirable than being described as the official partner of Henry VIII. Or possibly Dr Crippen.

Still, we are assured that the kinks/sporticidal tendencies of the system will eventually be ironed out. And once they are, I can’t think of anything more guaranteed to enhance one’s enjoyment of these high‑profile gaps in the action than a brand logo, or even a longer word from our sponsors. Well, nothing short of the National Theatre staging a Harold Pinter season, and getting a sponsor for the pregnant pauses.

As for which brands may feel their messages most closely align with VAR, the technology doesn’t feel the most instinctive fit with, say, Guinness’s famous slogan, which declares that “good things come to those that wait”. On Saturday, you might have won a few new customers in north London, but rather more Man City fans would have sworn off you. Anyway, surely the perfect synergy would be with a product or service that takes a long time to complete, and makes people very angry or frustrated, but is the right thing to do in the long run. How about the Inland Revenue? Moments of high footballing drama could bear the HMRC logo, and a reminder to fill in your tax return."
END Guardian article



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 24/08/2019 15:55 by Padre Pio.

Re: Mereged Thread VAR So you are loving VAR ?
AJ The Gunner 24 August, 2019 15:50
i think it's ruining the beautiful game.



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