Quote:AJ The Gunner
Sometimes I wish all these ex players will just shut up. We were on a fast decline, stagnated for years yet none of them could speak the truth that Wenger needed to go. Finally a new era begins and they are suddenly spreading negativity.
I am sick to death listening to whatever their opinions are.
Quote:Curse of Arsene Wenger!!Emery will never win a title with Arsenal FC
Quote:Agreed plus it's the thing that's missing from the trophy cabinet.younghansolo
For me in this money era all i desperately want the cl. And watching how close Liverpool came shows me it can be done. The legaue is so difficult because of them money available now but a cup competition is anyone's game
Quote:It’s much easier to win the English league than winning CL, mate. Leicester won the league n it’s impossible for a team like Leicester to go anywhere close to CL. Even heavyweights like Bayern, PSG, Juve not getting close in CL nowadays it’s all about Madrid n Barca.younghansolo
For me in this money era all i desperately want the cl. And watching how close Liverpool came shows me it can be done. The legaue is so difficult because of them money available now but a cup competition is anyone's game
Quote:SandyB
wengerites n ex-players are at it again!! Why not they sit tight for a while n see what happens.
Quote:Padre Pio
Yes and having a dirty barsteward like Ramos helps
Quote:Optimistic GunnerQuote:Padre Pio
Yes and having a dirty barsteward like Ramos helps
Yes, but we lack someone like that in our team.
We need our own b.astard if we want to win.
Quote:CazOnARola
League is always going to be tougher cause you need to be consistent over the course of the 38 games and a few great performances don't suffice.
But having said that, CL is no differen now. Madrid let liverpool play the way they did. Right from the first min,, madrud played were chipping the ball over the front 4 of Liverpool and mostly kept the ball on the sides on the wing, which thwarted liverpool s biggest threat which is transitions.
This is what Zidane and mourinho teams do. When you have got top class players, you don't need to commit men to create chances. Throughout the knockouts, they have been scoring with touches from 3/4 players.
I had a bet with my brother that if liverpool don't score in the first 30 min, madrid would win. Thanks to karius it was a lot easier. But trust me, they would have found a way to score with bale and asensio, if the game was a stalemate.
Plus the energy that klopp teams expend, they would be shot by extra time. So Zidane got his tactics spot on.
This is exactly why they have won 3 in a row. They just need 3/4 players in ronaldo/benzema/marcelo/modric to combine to score without it even looking like a chance.
Many are even aerial one touch passes which are impossible to defend, like marcelos goal against bayern.
The quality of barca/madrid/bayern/juventus is so high, it's almost as difficult as winning the league now. Just look at the past decade.
Its worth noting, liverpool didn't have to beat any of the above teams to get to the final
Quote:Yes it's much more plausible than winning the league, but my point was that it is also a lot more difficult than it used to be and the concentration of wealth and world class players in a few teams has made it so.no1 gazza fan
Liverpool beat the runaway Prem winners comfortably over two legs
Juventus scraped past us, an inexperienced CL team and Barca and Bayern don’t look the same force right now that they have done in previous CL campaigns.
Some of the Barca teams that won the CL were phenomenal
I still think a manager could take Mourihno or DI Matteos tactics and win a CL with a side not in your list of greats with a Little luck in a couple of legs over the knock out stages
Quote:CazOnARola
League is always going to be tougher cause you need to be consistent over the course of the 38 games and a few great performances don't suffice.
But having said that, CL is no differen now. Madrid let liverpool play the way they did. Right from the first min,, madrud played were chipping the ball over the front 4 of Liverpool and mostly kept the ball on the sides on the wing, which thwarted liverpool s biggest threat which is transitions.
This is what Zidane and mourinho teams do. When you have got top class players, you don't need to commit men to create chances. Throughout the knockouts, they have been scoring with touches from 3/4 players.
I had a bet with my brother that if liverpool don't score in the first 30 min, madrid would win. Thanks to karius it was a lot easier. But trust me, they would have found a way to score with bale and asensio, if the game was a stalemate.
Plus the energy that klopp teams expend, they would be shot by extra time. So Zidane got his tactics spot on.
This is exactly why they have won 3 in a row. They just need 3/4 players in ronaldo/benzema/marcelo/modric to combine to score without it even looking like a chance.
Many are even aerial one touch passes which are impossible to defend, like marcelos goal against bayern.
The quality of barca/madrid/bayern/juventus is so high, it's almost as difficult as winning the league now. Just look at the past decade.
Its worth noting, liverpool didn't have to beat any of the above teams to get to the final
Quote:Padre Pio
Yes and having a dirty barsteward like Ramos helps
Quote:Exactly. Liverpool would have found it though to progress had they met juventus and bayern on the way, that's my humble opinionSandyB
I think people seems to start underestimating the Champion's league a bit since Madrid winning it 3 times a row n Liverpool making to final. Arsene Wenger qualified for CL for 20 years n maximum went to one final. CL is a tactical tournament highly favoring the big teams who can scrap a tie over two legs. Tottenham is qualifying for it past few seasons n by now should understand going past CL 1st knockout stage is actually a big big ask. Man United easily finished 2nd in the league but lost Sevilla, this shows the unpredictability of the competition unless your team is heavily balanced n well experienced to win every knockout two legged ties winning the competition is impossible.
People like Roman Abramovic throw their fortune towards winning this trophy n won it just once. Richest of owners in PSG n City are still throwing their fortunes towards winning it n the trophy is still elusive. CL is so far the toughest trophy to win n I can bet my house Tottenham can't go past SF stage in years to come let alone winning it.
Also, you should notice that in recent history of CL some relatively light weight teams like Dortmund, Atletico, this season Liverpool made it to the final but still lost to the heavyweights. CL is heavily front loaded trophy towards heavyweights far more difficult than winning any European league.