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2 0 to them

not a fave fixture this ! they'll not win and I'll be happy with a draw

I hope with our recent record we can pull off a draw this is of course is not really good enough given our record of late and we need the points. I know that in Carlisle`s side there will be players who can score but on this occasion I am glad Craig Curran not playing it would have been our luck as things are going this year for Craig to have put us to the sword.

2 or 3-0 to them.

I can see a 3-0 or a 4-1 game in their favour. Hope to be wrong.

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Heart says win BUT head says another defeat! Make that ONE win in 17 matches! Come on lads prove me wrong!!!

1-0 win.
We're going to score early again but this time we're going to hold on.

think we might scrap a draw ,but if we lose it wont be a great suprise will it les ?????????

Again Les stating theirs not much different in losing a game 2-1 as to winning it 1-0 ,it`s mainly down to a little bit of luck injuries ect so theirs again not much between all the teams whether you go on a winning run or one of defeats this may be true but one thing I picked up on in the Liverpool Echo
report tonight was Les stating that Carlisle have most likely
better players than we have again this may be true but one thing I do not think you should do is come out with a quote before a game is to say that.
It`s a bit like saying to your troops come on chaps we can do this but their better equipped than you.
If we get beat Les can than say to the squad you did well but they were better equipped but we can do this in the next game.
But I think you should build your squad up before a game not state in the paper the opposition have better players.

0-0.

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Again Les stating theirs not much different in losing a game 2-1 as to winning it 1-0 ,it`s mainly down to a little bit of luck injuries ect so theirs again not much between all the teams whether you go on a winning run or one of defeats this may be true but one thing I picked up on in the Liverpool Echo
report tonight was Les stating that Carlisle have most likely
better players than we have again this may be true but one thing I do not think you should do is come out with a quote before a game is to say that.
It`s a bit like saying to your troops come on chaps we can do this but their better equipped than you.
If we get beat Les can than say to the squad you did well but they were better equipped but we can do this in the next game.
But I think you should build your squad up before a game not state in the paper the opposition have better players.

yes well said but we are talking les parry ,ie not a manager so you cant expect manager like statements from him can you ,he is just making his excuses before the game instead of after it ie 1 win in 17(i do hope i am wrong though),but he will still keep his job sorry to say ,as much as a lot of fans dont want him we are stuck with him ,like a coffe stain on the carpet lol

1 win in 17 it is.Whether we played well or not,it's still only 1 point.

Seems the difference between a experienced striker(Aldo Muiry ect) and Tiryaki was plain to hear on the live broadcast was when Mustafa had the moment to score he was 18 yards(open net) out ball came over Mustafa then spent time looking for the ball in the air when in fact it was on the deck behind him all he had to do was turn and hit it,that`s the bit a striker needs that split second to locate the ball and score and that is our problem of putting the ball in the net,how ever it turn out a good point now all we need is some wins if we can convert the chances into goals.

another point closer to safety, 1 win in 17 is a depressing run the sooner we can get a win or two under our belts the better.

I know Carlisle are there or there abouts, but I'm dissapointed by this. Tranmere had far more chances and couldn't get a solitary goal.

The only upside being Tranmere conceded no ground to the bottom 4 and have a game in hand over one or more of them.

Still should have had a goal, because 12 shots to the opponents 5, should be enough to win most times.

Still a point is a point, which is better than a loss.

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Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

why 1 in in 17 it starts again when you win a game so should be 1 win in 7 or 5 wins in 21

How many games have we won in the last 17 times we have played? One. That's it.

Our Current form, since Bury,

Played 8
Won 0
Draw 4
Lost 4

Points 4

That is relegation form in any League!

It is a results business!

A point away after so many defeats should be seen as a good point.Speaking for myself I will also settle for another point if we can manage to get one at home against Charlton on Saturday.

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Our Current form, since Bury,
Played 8
Won 0
Draw 4
Lost 4

Points 4

That is relegation form in any League!

It is a results business!

And over the last 8 games, that puts us the worst in league 1

It seems for a long time now Les quoting we should have won last night at Carlisle perhaps we should, but that could be said of a lot of games we should have won Les puts a of that lot down to bad luck and again a percentage may be bad luck but
given some time you have to take that luck and a lot of those chances could have been converted into goals if Les could have secured a more experienced striker than what we have playing up front at this moment in time.
We do not have much time left in the transfer window for Les try and secure that type of player on loan I believe it shuts the first week in March that could be catalyst for us to turn chances into goals,the only other hope is that Robinson and Showunmi get fully fit and they can pitch in with the goals we need but something needs to happen at the sharp end and it needs to happen quite quickly if we are to pull away from the bottom,as for this Saturday given the opposition a draw in this case would be a good result.



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At the end of the day it's our lack of fire power up front that is dragging us into the relegation dogfight! How many times do we score more than ONCE in a game? Parry sets his sides up to win a game 1-0 and as soon as they concede there is no way back. One win in 17 is a horrendous statistic and sticking an untried 18 year old up front isn't going to solve the goal drought!!!

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It seems for a long time now Les quoting we should have won last night at Carlisle perhaps we should, but that could be said of a lot of games we should have won Les puts a of that lot down to bad luck and again a percentage may be bad luck...

Based on the last few matches I cannot argue with Les..

Last night admittedly we didn't convert the good chances we had but we had a clear cut goal disallowed after only a few minutes. Regardless of what else went on in the game that is BAD LUCK.

At Wycombe we had two chances cleared off the line, three off the woodwork and another 'goal' harshly ruled out - BAD LUCK.

Bad luck goes hand in hand with other factors I admit (including taking chances and being able to defend) but anyone who says Les is wrong to say we've had some bad luck is WRONG!

As for the strikers being to blame as HalfManHalfBrewery said (great name by the way!) I couldn't disagree more..

Last night for the first time recently (in my opinion) the strikers can be blamed but at Wycombe, Bournemouth, Yeovil, Exeter and at home to Huddersfield amongst others we conceded poorly defended goals time after time. Goals that were avoidable.

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Deadly Submarine

"Will you stop saying you threw a monkey into the sea!"



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What i should have said "Deadly" is that chances are being created but missed by numerous players in the side! You can't point the finger at Tiryake, Brunt and co i appreciate that!! There is definitely a need for an EXPERIENCED striker to be brought in soon though! However it could be argued that Van Persie wouldn't score many when played in this 4-5-1 formation! Troubling times ahead i fear!

Same old story can't finish. When you have that many chances luck should play no part at all. It was so obvious in the summer that goalscoring would be our biggest problem, and so it has proved.

We are conceding two or three at a time in games though. We do need to score more goals but in spite of that you shouldn't be having to score three goals in every game to win.

Works both ways as far as I'm concerned - the defence we have is appalling it's as simple as that.

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Deadly Submarine

"Will you stop saying you threw a monkey into the sea!"



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What do they do in training to solve the problem? How many times have we scored three this season?

Professional football teams do have some kind of duty to entertain so constantly scoring either nil or one can't completely be justified by how well you defend. If the silly defensive mistakes hand't ocurred we'd still have been scoring nils and ones.

Letting so many chances go beggin now must at least partly be due to the fact that we went two months with almost no shots per game. Finishing requires practice. Hopefully more games like last night will provide that.

Point is though.. You could say we were unlucky at Wycombe not to score more but ultimately we lost because McChrystal had an absolute mare and Buchanan tried to score an own goal.

Bad luck is only excuse when you yourself are doing everything you possibly can.

When you're making stupid mistakes which aren't down to luck.. you can't blame luck for not winning.

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At Chesterfield away in the JPT we scored three goals and what happened there?...

..oh yeah the defence let in four goals and we lost. Perhaps it was the strikers fault though because we didn't score 5?!

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Deadly Submarine

"Will you stop saying you threw a monkey into the sea!"

Our defence is not the problem the lack of goals scored is the problem.

But we don't set up to score goals.

Les's system is based around defending, clean sheets, and, if possible nicking the odd goal - which we've done in 5 of the last 6 away matches.

By Les's system and way of thinking, we're scoring enough goals to do better than 5 defeats in 6..

Our problem is the defence. You can't expect the strikers to score 3 goals away from home in particular to earn 3 points!

For a system that is all about clean sheets, 1 clean sheet in 6 away games is abysmal and it's no coincidence, given that fact, that we've only picked up one point from 18 away from home.

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well I aint got the dosh to go home games never mind trips to Carlisle ! so appreciate the view of those that went, tone of respect to the lads, bad run ! lots of stick and they are still pulling on a Tranmere Shirt and giving it some ! cheers ! you are my Rovers ................................................

Agreed Mikey. Blaming the strikers is the easy thing to do but the Defence have to take a lot of the blame.

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Deadly Submarine

"Will you stop saying you threw a monkey into the sea!"

just throwing in an odd one ! but do we have the right Captain ? what is the Cptns job now ? Who took over on Saturday ? for me I've Said b4 vI think Danny H is our or should and will ultimatly be our cptn ! and will marshal the lads at the back so long as we keep our lad in the goal

Interesting point.

Their are two types of captains imo.. ones that are real leaders on the pitch, set an example etc.. Roy Keane mould!

OR someone who the whole team respect on and off the pitch.. this I suspect is what Welsh is like.

Personally think we lack leaders on the pitch. Goodison is obviously magnificent at organising at the back as is OFW but neither are massively vocal.

A real leader imo is something our squad lacks!

(As a side note, there's nothing more f*cking annoying than spending £40+ travelling over 100 miles to see Tranmere play p!ss poor then see our captain going on and on and on about Liverpool. Understandably he cares about them as he supports them but at times its frustrating and seems as if he doesn't give a flying @#$%& about TRFC)

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Tranmere have offered to take Suarez on loan. But Suarez would not shake hands on the deal.

remember watching Mc Ateer on sky going on abbout we this and our that ! then realised he was on about the Reds not us !!!! unbeleivable ! have to laugh !

Tranmere haven't had an "on the pitch" leader for years - the likes of Goodison, Sherriff, Thomas-Moore and Welsh have held the role lately, none of them up to the job. I think we have players out there capable of the job - Ash would be my choice, but they don't seem to get selected.

However, I get the impression Welsh does a lot of good work off the field. He seems to be a very nice guy, somebody who people respect, like and look up to, whilst he does a lot of promotion on Twitter for all members of the squad. He's just not as much of a shouting person on the field.

As for strikers and defenders. Both are to blame. Look at the Wycombe match. We had plenty of chances and scored one but allowed them to score two woeful goals from a defensive point of view.

It's been the same for a while. We are having chance after chance and not taking enough. Yes, luck comes in to it at times, E.G.) poor refereeing decisions, a superb goal line clearance, an unlucky deflection etc. but on the other side of the coin you have to ask why Tiryaki is only hitting the frame of the goal from eight yards out or why Weir can't get a shot on target.

I firmly believe that if we had a Greenacre/Aldridge/Muir/Haworth this season then we'd be streets ahead of where we are now. We'd have had so many more wins. Huddersfield, for example, or Rochdale, or Brentford. But we aren't capable of taking those chances.

This puts huge pressure on the defence. They know we're only likely to score one a game. This puts a massive weight on their shoulders - one or two errors could cost us the game, as has been shown in countless away games lately.

At the start of the season, we defended really well and took our chances. We got wins. We got the first goal, closed teams out and then got a second goal late on as they attacked. With Robbo in full flow, Weir on form in midfield and the wingers doing a great job, this was fantastic. It worked. We got wins. It was a brilliant plan when you can defend.

The problem is since then too many players have been out of form. Akins was sensational early season. When did he last have a good game? Same goes for Weir? You could argue Buchanan hasn't nearly been as threatening. Goals from midfield have almost dried up and we haven't scored from a corner in a long while.

Injuries hit too. Robbo - still missing - Enoch - still missing - and then for me, the two biggest misses, Devaney and Fonners.

Since both have come back into the team and started to hit form we've really seen the difference. Devaney scores and creates goals. He scares teams. I wasn't there on Tuesday but by all accounts he was fantastic. That spark is what we've missed since Lucas went off the boil (or you could say back to his usual self).

The next one is Fonners. I don't think there are many better keepers in this division, perhaps, even, outside of the Premier League. Rachubka was a good shot stopper but his all round game was crap. Defenders had no confidence in him. The difference with Owain back will be massive and I really think that now he's back and into the swing of things we can turn the corner.

For me, with Devaney and Fon Williams back in the team and Robbo and Enoch on their way back, we can go on another good run. We can push back up the table. Confidence will be back and the defence won't be as shaky. Hopefully, too, goals will return to midfield whilst our strikers may nick a few more goals. The likes of McGurk have already started doing this - he's in great form at the moment, perhaps boosted by the return of Devaney.

We haven't had much luck this season, be that with refereeing decisions, injuries etc. but I think players need to take more blame for the poor run of form too. They've missed chances or failed to do basic defending, perhaps all down to confidence.

But I really can now see us perhaps turning the corner and edging back up the table. Hopefully we can start with a positive result against Charlton on Saturday.

Up the Whites.

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Very good post.It must have taken you almost as long to type it as it does for us to score a goal.

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Very good post.It must have taken you almost as long to type it as it does for us to score a goal.

It was a good post by Matthew the rover he hit on the spot
with his comments which is more can be said of our strikers
who seem either hit the post miss the net or any combination
that result in a could have been,as stated just one striker of note (Aldo Miury or any one in the same mould)would convert those may be into goals and we would have won more games and their would have been less pressure on the defence,here hoping
it can be turned round.

we do create chance to score mikey stats dont lie me have an average of 7 shots on target every game if we had a forward like greenacre hume moore when we have had 15/20 goal forwards i think we would be in a diffrent postion but unfortunatly we are unable to atract those players or even afford those players

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Tranmere haven't had an "on the pitch" leader for years - the likes of Goodison, Sherriff, Thomas-Moore and Welsh have held the role lately, none of them up to the job. I think we have players out there capable of the job - Ash would be my choice, but they don't seem to get selected.

Excellent point that. I agree on Ash being the best choice. He's the only one that you see constantly encouraging the other players. In the MK Dons game this year, after Kay sliced the ball off the pitch from an encouraging position for the second time in two minutes, he got booed by the entire crowd and all the players turned their backs on him, except Ash who ran over to him to tell him to keep his chin up. I get annoyed hearing one-sided criticism of him that doesn't take that side of him into account.

Another point is that if you don't have leadership on the pitch you need it from the sidelines. You saw the effect of a more involved manager when we played Notts County at home last year. Martin Allen might be an odious thug but that night he was like a twelfth man, constantly shouting instructions and encouragement (or were they threats?) at each of his players. Horrible man but it was him that won the game for them on that day even if it needed the help of a dodgy ref.

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we do create chance to score mikey stats dont lie me have an average of 7 shots on target every game if we had a forward like greenacre hume moore when we have had 15/20 goal forwards i think we would be in a diffrent postion but unfortunatly we are unable to atract those players or even afford those players

Stats are deceiving. 30 yard shots on goal aren't real goalscoring chances...

At Carlisle tho we did have 3/4 chances

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