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A lot of people may not like him or his style of management but no-one can deny his achievements as one of the greatest managers in british football.

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Certainly up there among the greats but still an @#$%& on a number of levels. If he is not planning to retire until having beaten Liverpool's number of European Cups then the United fans can take something from Rome and that is that they have him for at least another 3 years!

Barcelona stride onwards to join the greats?! Having won 1 Champions League, which is what United did last year! So, by that logic, didnt we join the greats last year?!

United lost to a great team in a one off match, and suddenly thats something to be ashamed off it seems! Ill take the league title and runners up in the European Cup every season thanks

Dementia will go on trying to equal Paisleys record. It won't happen.

If Paisley had been in the job as long as dementia imagine how many trophies he'd have won. The mind boggles at the thought.

Manure had by far the easiest run in the CL and once they came up against class they failed spectacularly. It was funny to see them lose anyway, but to lose in such a manner was a disgrace to the Champions League. Thank God in all our European finals, won or lost, we've put up a decent show.

Good point 4ver about the lucky draw manure had ,and Robbie i totally agree about Barca like yourselves they simply dont have the stature of any of the great European teams yet

carra, it was John Christie who said Barca were one of the greats. Keep up

1 win and 1 final appearance in the last 2 years suggests we've got a chance of winning it again in my opinion. I remember the days when we never had a chance of reaching 18 titles either Dont worrk youll turn that corner soon!

Yep the Italian champions in the last 16 was an easy draw! You scousers crack me up

Inter were the only top team you came up against and they were better than you as well.

3 appearances in 40 odd years is nothing to brag about, and you really should forget last weeks lily livered performance all together, you were the worst losers I've seen.

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Thats funny....because we dominated Inter on their own patch in the first leg. Then it was an even game in the 2nd leg. What game were you watching!?
Porto were the champions of Portugal, and as we all know........its harder to win the European Cup when you face the champions of a particular country, - thats the view of your typical scouser anyway. Apparently its "easier to win" these days, even though we played the 2nd best team from Spain in the final!
Its four appearances in 40 years, and it would surely have been more but for Munich. Quite an achievement considering. It doesnt matter how many appearances anyway. Weve won it 3 times youve won it 5. Well done, but we all know that when we clinch number 19 we will well and truly have knocked you off your perch!

For the time being robbie mate theres no need for sunglasses you still being in our shade mate ,and i will av a word with that christie bloke

Munich was a terrible accident that at the time devastated your club, but, in the long run it was the making of it. You would never have been so big if it hadn't been for Munich and there is just no way you can say you'd have won anything.

Sorry, 4 times in 40 years. Ours is 7 in 30 odd years, a far better achievement. Plus, 3 UEFA Cups, 2 of them won when it was full of nearly champions or ex champions.

Inter were better than you and as I said, a very easy run to the final.

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As we now know twas Barcelona's night, a night of total dominance over his United, and it is they who stride onwards to join the greats.

Barca - 3 european cups
Man Utd - 3 european cups

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The have the team ,potential ,the force is with them to move foreward and join the greats

...and Man Utd don't? we have some excellent young prospects comin through, we have a realtively young squad and are main attacking threat has an average age of 25

our midfield is currently a mix of talent, experience and class and will get better when our youngsters progress, the likes of Gibson, Possebon and Anderson all have massive futures ahead of them

your basically just using the barca win to poke fun because of your lack of considerable silverware or dominance over the past 20 years

You call us bitter

I see, so now if you find something hilariously funny, it's bitter

If you see an opposing team in a less favourable light than their fans, you're bitter.

If said team have never surpassed you in decades, and still haven't, you're bitter

Do we need a reason to poke fun at you? Barca are the dream team of the moment and if ever the words Champs and chumps applied, it was to that final. Your team were found out good style, put up the lamest account of themselves that I've ever seen in a EC final, and piiissy pants was outthought by a younger better manager. Poking fun? Behave your stupid self, you deserve every bit of it for such a stonkingly poor show.

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Munich was a terrible accident that at the time devastated your club, but, in the long run it was the making of it. You would never have been so big if it hadn't been for Munich and there is just no way you can say you'd have won anything.

No, Sir Matt and the "Busby Babes" were the making of it. Thats why there was so much sympathy etc.....BECAUSE they had so much potential. Theyd have created history there's little doubt about that. And it was only the "making" of the club as you so nicely put it, because the club and Sir Matt especially found the strength to re-build the club. It could quite easily have gone the other way


Sorry, 4 times in 40 years. Ours is 7 in 30 odd years, a far better achievement. Plus, 3 UEFA Cups, 2 of them won when it was full of nearly champions or ex champions. Sorry, - didnt realise you werent eligible for the European Cup in the 50s and 60s! If we're gonna count Uefa Cups we might as well include Division 2 titles etc - they have little relevance, - they just mean you werent good enough to play in the main event


Inter were better than you and as I said, a very easy run to the final. Ignore my point then! You cant say on the one hand that it was harder to win the old EC because it included only champions, and then say that facing Inter and Porto this season was an "easy run"

No, Sir Matt and the "Busby Babes" were the making of it. Thats why there was so much sympathy etc.....BECAUSE they had so much potential. Theyd have created history there's little doubt about that. And it was only the "making" of the club as you so nicely put it, because the club and Sir Matt especially found the strength to re-build the club. It could quite easily have gone the other way


Sir Matt Busby, who incidently was one of our finest players and captains, did all you say, no arguement with that. United had so much sympathy because so many young players were killed, potential or no potential. The air crash lead to world wide exposure which in turn created a market which United exploited magnificently. However, you cannot say what any team would or wouldn't have won trophies because there are too many if's, and's but's and maybe's.

Sorry, - didnt realise you werent eligible for the European Cup in the 50s and 60s! If we're gonna count Uefa Cups we might as well include Division 2 titles etc - they have little relevance, - they just mean you werent good enough to play in the main event


I counted from each teams first win, in your case 40 years between first and last, with only 4 appearances and 3 wins. In our case, 30 years between first and last, which contained 5 wins and two losses.
The UEFA Cup is in no way like a second division title win. It might be now but those first two we won were against up and coming teams, runners up or previous title winners. I'll say again, your EC cup run was easy last season, whether you played two champions or not. Inter were better than you and Porto are just Porto.

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However, you cannot say what any team would or wouldn't have won trophies because there are too many if's, and's but's and maybe's. So you cant say that Paisley would have won more European Cups/league titles if he'd stayed on for longer?

No, of course I can't. I can debate it with like minded fans but I couldn't say ' Theyd have created history there's little doubt about that.' or
'and it would surely have been more but for Munich.'

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Ok theres a good chance that the Babes would have won at least one European Cup. I think thats fair to say.
And you have consistantly "suggested" that Paisley would have more ECs and league titles than Ferguson if he'd stayed for 23 years. I dont see the difference to be honest

I disagree with your extra EC.

I hail Bob Paisley for what he achieved in 9 years. I say imagine what he might have won in 23 years.

All fans have ifs, ands, buts, and maybe stories about their clubs. The only ones that matter are those in the record books.

We lost the title on goal difference in '89. It was the last kick of the last game of the season, If Ray Houghton had of brought Thomas down we would be on 19. See? It's easy peasy......

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I hail Bob Paisley for what he achieved in 9 years. I say imagine what he might have won in 23 years.

But he didnt stay for 23 years, so we can only look at the history books and say that Ferguson has been more successful domestically by winning more league titles and fa cups, and so - he is the better manager. Easy peasy....

Both our clubs have been blessed with great managers and players . We wouldnt change anything or anyone over the past decades . If you believe your clubs achievments are better ,fine good luck to you . We will stick with our records of which we are immensly proud.

Inter were better than us . . .