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By Kenny_Crons
October 27 2017

A look ahead to Rovers' match at home to FC Halfiax Town on Saturday afternoon....

 

 

 

 

 

 

When Mark Twain began using the quote 'lies, damned lies and statistics' I wonder if he had experienced a premonition of the media's sports coverage in the 21st century. It's more likely that he was seeing the beginning of politicians and statesmen using a certain set of facts to support their arguments, and decided to complain about it. But his point is well made and resonates loudly today as the modern fan has a voracious appetite for the data that supports his or her argument. 

My day job is spent encouraging students to be more balanced and judicious in their use of facts and to be very careful with different interpretations of the same event. And if you apply this to recent traffic on Total Tranmere, it is almost a case in point. 

I have seen a couple of views of our progress so far that totally contrast with each other. The first works out a points per game based on the whole season which offers a bleak assessment of our chances. But a second view plucks out the last 6 games to analyse and this gives a more positive outlook that suggests we will make the playoffs at least. 

The conundrum is then, who to believe? Well, in traditional teacher 'no answer' style, I think the way forward is to take every view onboard and draw our own conclusions. And to be even more obtuse, here a few of my own statistics to muddy the waters! 

Drawing from the excellent 'Tranmere Rovers - The Complete Record', our game against Halifax tomorrow is likely to result in a home win as the stats say we have lost less than a quarter of all meetings at Prenton Park. Interestingly, Halifax (along with Rochdale, Crewe, Stockport and Hartlepool) are one of our most frequently played opponents. 

The second bit of statistical knowledge gleaned from 'The Complete Record' has more of a faintly damning feel to it though. In the Top Appearances section, 15 of the top 25 players in the list are names that come from our halcyon days of the late 80s and 90s (Mungall, Morrissey, Nixon, Higgins, Irons, Muir, Vickers, Mark Hughes, Roberts, Gary Jones, Thomas, Achterberg, Malkin, Brannan, Aldridge). My spin on this is that our success was clearly built on the fact that we did not rotate the team a lot and players were able to build up on field relationships because they got a run in the team. You might also say that all the players named above played in a basic 4-4-2 with wingers, a fair number of them were blooded as youngsters and there is some pace in that list too. 

Mickey Mellon has a couple of wingers up his sleeve apparently so that suggests the manager may have read 'The Complete Record'. However, what makes me think he hasn't read it is that we don't keep the same team that often and, more worryingly, we change systems a lot. This is why teams coming to Prenton Park will always fancy their chances and Halifax won't be cowed by the recent cup defeat at The Shay a couple of weeks ago. 

I think the last word needs to go to Samuel Langhorne Clemens as I think it sums up this season. When he said 'the secret of getting ahead is getting started' he must have been having a similar premonition problem to Mark Twain. Two very similar characters indeed! We need to properly get started tomorrow and get ahead early in the game. 

That's not much of a secret is it?

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017:11:03:22:02:13 by mini_andy.

Borough Roaderd
Tranmere69
27/10/2017 19:03
Spot on again. Going for a win and hoping Cook plays of he intends to use the new wingers.The ex Fulham lad doesn't seem to have had a club for months.Still one of them plus DMH could do the trick. 2-0 Rovers

Uglybob
Uglybob
27/10/2017 19:20
Well written Kenny . Very similar characters indeed , so similar they're the same person ! Going for 2-1 win tomorrow .

Kenny_Crons
Kenny_Crons
27/10/2017 19:27
Arrghh!
Ugly bob, you spoilsport!
But a merit point for spotting it!!!

Uglybob
Uglybob
27/10/2017 19:35
Sorry Kenny !

Fiftyyearsarover
Fiftyyearsarover
27/10/2017 21:10
2-1 home win ,one will have to be an own goal ,but a win is a win

chrisprover
chrisprover
27/10/2017 22:38
Hoping we win and our new wingers make a difference, but we surely would not drop Mottley Henry 2-0 win norwood and norburn with the goals

mini_andy
mini_andy
27/10/2017 23:01
For some reason, I feel a 0-0 coming. In the cup, they had to try and beat us. In the league, away from home, they’ll be happy with a draw.

ADD
ADD
28/10/2017 00:00
That's probably a good call Mini Andy but as this will likely be my last game I can go to this season I am going for a 3- 1 win again as frankly they are rubbish and we must convert a few chances in the league at some point.

Interested to see the team - and wonder if the new signings will make the bench?

Loyden1
Loyden1
28/10/2017 00:31
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ADD
That's probably a good call Mini Andy but as this will likely be my last game I can go to this season I am going for a 3- 1 win again as frankly they are rubbish and we must convert a few chances in the league at some point.
Interested to see the team - and wonder if the new signings will make the bench?
think you can get sky and bt in Walton jail these days so you might catch us on bt soon. Hope you don't get too long.

ADD
ADD
28/10/2017 09:46
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Loyden1
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ADD
That's probably a good call Mini Andy but as this will likely be my last game I can go to this season I am going for a 3- 1 win again as frankly they are rubbish and we must convert a few chances in the league at some point.
Interested to see the team - and wonder if the new signings will make the bench?
think you can get sky and bt in Walton jail these days so you might catch us on bt soon. Hope you don't get too long.
haha nice one!

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hong kong rover
28/10/2017 11:28
gotta a good feeling about the result today, reckon we will win by a couple of goals.

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sparky100
28/10/2017 12:13
After my pessimistic thoughts on the Hartlepool game (lose 3-0 and MM sacked in the morning), I'm going to be more positive for today's match ......... 0-0!

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hong kong rover
28/10/2017 12:19
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sparky100
After my pessimistic thoughts on the Hartlepool game (lose 3-0 and MM sacked in the morning), I'm going to be more positive for today's match ......... 0-0!

lol

DevonExile
DevonExile
28/10/2017 12:59
Even in our current situation we should win this one. If we do not then one is left wondering how bad must things get before the manager pays the price of a hugely disappointing season.
We are stuck in our lowest position for 98 years. Pretty grim

Hardly Irons
Hardly Irons
28/10/2017 13:24
An oddly scoring 5-0 completely underserved

MESSAGES->author
hong kong rover
28/10/2017 14:16
mcdonagh is starting, cook on bench

DCTRFC
DCTRFC
28/10/2017 14:18
Was positive until I saw the team line up. Now fearing the worst.

Stewsydney
Stewsydney
28/10/2017 14:59
Cook benched is just stupid mellon seems to b happy to upset him every other week 🙄

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hong kong rover
28/10/2017 15:03
yes 1 up norwood

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hong kong rover
28/10/2017 15:06
sounds like norwood could have had a hat trick already

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hong kong rover
28/10/2017 15:12
yes 2 up, this sounds like it could be a 9-0 solihull scoreline, lol



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hong kong rover
28/10/2017 15:25
its a shame norwood has had to go off

Stewsydney
Stewsydney
28/10/2017 15:25
Norwood off for cole , cook gettinng splinters on the bench 😆

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Norwood off for cole , cook gettinng splinters on the bench 😆
Almost as much as the Cook fanatics ;0)

trfc-boi
trfc-boi
28/10/2017 15:54
Could be 5-0 H/T if taken chances, great start, keep it up rovers

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hong kong rover
28/10/2017 16:08
cole scores on debut

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hong kong rover
28/10/2017 16:14
wow bloody hell we are scoring some goals, sounds like we are playing well but on the other hand Halifax sound shite

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hong kong rover
wow bloody hell we are scoring some goals, sounds like we are playing well but on the other hand Halifax sound shite

Dont be like the poster who never posts when we win. The team is scoring!

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hong kong rover
28/10/2017 16:49
well done rovers

iagoapcen
iagoapcen
28/10/2017 16:55
we are now w4 d2 l1 in the last seven...
happy saturday at last

Hardly Irons
Hardly Irons
28/10/2017 17:03
Sounded in very good form on the radio!

Great win Micky and the lads and commiserations to those hoping we'd lose.

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Sounded in very good form on the radio!
Great win Micky and the lads and commiserations to those hoping we'd lose.
LMAO

Mattc777
CaptainFriendly
28/10/2017 17:06
Bit of daylight between us and the drop zone now. Was working today sadly.

New players any good?

jonesy792
jonesy792
28/10/2017 17:13
MOTM : Motley-Henry. Brilliant performance.

Also very impressed with McDonagh. Did very well holding up ball with some classy turns Looks more mobile than Cook.

Cole looked great when he came on and scored a fine goal.

We finally have pace and a bit of flair about us. !

C Jennings was poor as the one downside.

the kav
the kav
28/10/2017 17:22
Mcdonagh was immense today as were the wingers.

Was the mcdonagh incident a peno? I was at the other end of the ground

Higgosboots
Higgosboots
28/10/2017 17:22
We need to keep DMH. Get Cook moved on get DMH signed up MP

Fiftyyearsarover
Fiftyyearsarover
28/10/2017 17:30
Well done rovers .could be we have unearthed some good players if we can keep DMH for the season that would be good .

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hong kong rover
28/10/2017 17:30
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the kav
Mcdonagh was immense today as were the wingers.
Was the mcdonagh incident a peno? I was at the other end of the ground

hi kav, wirral radio were absolutely dumbfounded that we didn't have a penalty

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hong kong rover
28/10/2017 17:34
none of the top 4 won today, this is developing into a mad crazy season lol.. cmon the rovers , lets go on a big run of games now

ADD
ADD
28/10/2017 17:43
So so much better today!
Was surprised to see that McDonagh was starting but he had a great game. Why he can't head the ball is beyond me as he is very strong on the ground but he put in a massive shift, with lots of good touches and could well have shaded DMH for MOM in my book but then I suppose he didn't score. Looked like to me he had a cast iron penalty shout turned down mind you.
Norwood was at his best whilst on with 2 good goals and of course an absolute sitter of a miss.
DMH played great today - definitely his best performance for us. Total commitment and great energy - now seems fully up to speed and match fit.
Cole was clearly not match fit which is to be expected but he looked to have great touch, linked up well with McDonagh and will surely improve and be an asset if he keeps this up.
Duggan I also felt had a great game and against a very lively number 7 Kosylo who was quick and kept going for the full 90 minutes. Interesting decision for MM but if I was Duggan I would expect to keep my place this time when Buxton returns.
Ok then the negatives before I get carried away with things! We conceded 2 poor goals with slack marking and Halifax really are a very poor side. That said great result today however you cut it.

the kav
the kav
28/10/2017 17:47
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Well done rovers .could be we have unearthed some good players if we can keep DMH for the season that would be good .

Got him till jan mate

the kav
the kav
28/10/2017 17:48
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hong kong rover
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the kav
Mcdonagh was immense today as were the wingers.
Was the mcdonagh incident a peno? I was at the other end of the ground

hi kav, wirral radio were absolutely dumbfounded that we didn't have a penalty

We all thought so too but i can be slighty partizan lol so i thought i would double check

kennyspint
kennyspint
28/10/2017 17:50
Good effort from the players today. Definite penaity viewed from the Kop. I thought Connor was ok but got very little space to work in. Great to watch some fast skillful football

Loyden1
Loyden1
28/10/2017 17:54
Doubt if we could sign dmh Barnsley got for the future.bet lots of us where gobsmacked when mm pick Mcdonagh before cook.I was and wonder did wirral radio say same .he played very well and it was a stonewall penno against him.

the kav
the kav
28/10/2017 18:06
Cook had a massive fit when cole replaced norwood , he punched the corner flag and was moaning to himself. The supporters in the paddock were shouting he should be on and he was turning round and nodding in agreement

FairKop
FairKop
28/10/2017 18:58
I'm sorry but Cook hasn't shown any reason he should be in the team every week. It doesn't matter what he did last season, this season he's been very poor but some fans ignore that and call Micky clueless (or words to that effect) when he benches him. The movement in and around the box today with McDonough up top was better than tuesday at Hartlepool with Cook up front (not that we played particularly bad against Pools, I actually think we were the better side). It seems clear to me from his lack of effort when he plays that he no longer wants to be at the club so I think it's time for him to move on. We've replaced much better strikers than Cook and will again.

Higgosboots
Higgosboots
28/10/2017 19:09
Cook did for himself when he had an on pitch Barney with the penalty taker and missed it. Higgy commented on Wirral radio that there will be reasons why Cook isn't starting Cook. Ultimatley Micky was vindicated today, we scored 4 goals, he played Tuesday we scored 1 goals. Whilst Cook does score a few his goal ratio isn't above and beyond and Norwood, Cole and McDonught offered much much more in all the other aspects of their game in respects of giving the defence something to think about about, we looked really dangerous with McDonught and Norwood up top and Cole found those little pockets of space which makes defenders think, We haven't had anyone here since Ryan Lowe to do that, if he continues to improve we don't want to mess around on extending the contract.

Hoots Mon
Hoots Mon
28/10/2017 19:40
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Stewsydney
Norwood off for cole , cook gettinng splinters on the bench 😆
Almost as much as the Cook fanatics ;0)

And Cook himself wasn't exactly chuffed about it.

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Gilbert's Fridge
28/10/2017 19:40
Just read the BBC report on the match ... I quote ...

"Norwood was replaced by new signing Larnell Cole in the 25th minute ... That came a minute after Matty Brown's header had made it 2-1 early in the second half."

So a minute before Norwood was replaced (25th minute), Halifax scored (in the 2nd half)!!!

Great reporting!!!!



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Hoots Mon
Hoots Mon
28/10/2017 19:41
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hong kong rover
sounds like norwood could have had a hat trick already

Both him and their defender kicked fresh air right in front of their goal when it was easier not to.

Hoots Mon
Hoots Mon
28/10/2017 19:46
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hong kong rover
wow bloody hell we are scoring some goals, sounds like we are playing well but on the other hand Halifax sound shite

Their defence wasn't too good but give them some credit,they had a real dart at us during the second half and looked quite decent going forward-their star player was their little number 7 Kosylo who gave Duggan a very hard 45 minutes. He was obviously specifically moved there after half time as he didn't play there in the first half. The guy on the other wing was lightning fast too. It was by some way the most entertaining game I've seen this season-the score could have been anything.

Hoots Mon
Hoots Mon
28/10/2017 19:48
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the kav
Mcdonagh was immense today as were the wingers.
Was the mcdonagh incident a peno? I was at the other end of the ground

The clearest ''non'' penalty of the season so far.

Hoots Mon
Hoots Mon
28/10/2017 19:59
DMH's goal was a joy to behold.Charged down the full backs clearance on the half way line-and sped quickly towards their goal.Never a thought of passing,eyes on the advancing keeper,slipped it expertly past him into the net. Never a chance he was going to miss. Superb.

The moment of the match

chrisprover
chrisprover
28/10/2017 20:00
Great win and performance listening on Wirral radio, the new signings sound good too would love it if we could keep Motley henry
Lets get on a run now

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hong kong rover
28/10/2017 20:01
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Hoots Mon
DMH's goal was a joy to behold.Charged down the full backs clearance on the half way line-and sped quickly towards their goal.Never a thought of passing,eyes on the advancing keeper,slipped it expertly past him into the net. Never a chance he was going to miss. Superb.
The moment of the match

will look forward to seeing the goals on you tube in the next day or two, hoots

Jack of all Trades
Jack of all Trades
28/10/2017 20:09
Very good all round performance could and should have been out of sight at half time.

I thought Gerry McDonagh had a very good game actually looked like a centre forward today and linked the play pretty well but, for a biggish lad poor in the air.

DMH, despite the new signings, must be kept if it all possible on loan. Lornell Cole had a decent debut and looks promising.
Only disappointment conceding two preventable goals.

HardlyYardley
HardlyYardley
28/10/2017 22:13
Good result from playing attacking football at pace - i.e. what many of us have been calling for all season. Hopefully, with the new players, we won't return to the boring, negative style which has failed us up to now. The way results have been going, it is still possible (though it wouldn't have been in other seasons) to recover from our start and aim to be champions, the only guaranteed way out of this league.

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Matt34
28/10/2017 22:31
A great result, but I'm sure Mellon will pick them up on the concessions, but despite Norwood getting a head injury Cole comes on and scores on debut and Motley Henry gets 1 so Mellon's recruitment choices are starting to look a bit more healthy, in terms of the reputation they're giving him, as he's been largely getting stick for recruitment and it's understandable some might have felt inclined to do that in the last few weeks.

Hopefull in 2 weeks Green may feature and make an impact perhaps, but a great result and it's another step in the right direction. The gap to the top is only 9 now and 4 to the playoffs and it's now 10 points from the last 6 games, which isn't too bad especially compared to what happened in the first 6 games

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

kennyspint
kennyspint
28/10/2017 23:58
Micky got it right today I think

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hong kong rover
30/10/2017 15:53
have just viewed the 8 min highlights of the Halifax game on you tube. I could only see 8 mins but we seemed to play some decent stuff. nice build up play to norwoods first goal and great run n goal from DMH, reminiscent of Michael owen, burst of energy , quick into the box and great finish.

roger mellie
roger mellie
30/10/2017 16:42
Funny old game. Looked like we were going to score at will whilst Norwood was on the field. After that it went a bit flat. The Cole goal was key, and DMH's finish the icing on the cake. Great to see 4 goals but we have played better and lost.

Hoots Mon
Hoots Mon
30/10/2017 17:28
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roger mellie
Funny old game. Looked like we were going to score at will whilst Norwood was on the field. After that it went a bit flat. The Cole goal was key, and DMH's finish the icing on the cake. Great to see 4 goals but we have played better and lost.

+1

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Matt34
31/10/2017 00:09
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roger mellie
Funny old game. Looked like we were going to score at will whilst Norwood was on the field.

Interestingly though, having looked at those highlights and seeing one of Norwood's goals again, I noticed that I think after the second one he leaned over towards a Halifax player who was lying on the ground and then grimaced and fist pumped in his face, which I felt was a tad unprofessional, considering it looked like their player was suffering brief moment or two of pain.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

pez
pez
31/10/2017 12:47
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Matt34
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roger mellie
Funny old game. Looked like we were going to score at will whilst Norwood was on the field.

Interestingly though, having looked at those highlights and seeing one of Norwood's goals again, I noticed that I think after the second one he leaned over towards a Halifax player who was lying on the ground and then grimaced and fist pumped in his face, which I felt was a tad unprofessional, considering it looked like their player was suffering brief moment or two of pain.

I had to read that twice as I thought you said he pumped (farted) in his face lmao!

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Matt34
01/11/2017 00:09
That would have been adding insult to injury. The guy's lying on the ground feeling a bit the worse for wear and then he gets dealt a sly toot right up his hooter.

He might have tried to claim a foul for that.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

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Phil65
01/11/2017 17:23
Norwood's reaction might have been a consequence of a cynical foul on him a little earlier. There were also a few verbals taking place so his celebration could well have been a release of frustration built up from this. I think they were relieved to see Norwood go off as he was creating havoc.



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Hoots Mon
Hoots Mon
01/11/2017 18:09
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Phil65
Norwood's reaction might have been a consequence of a cynical foul on him a little earlier. There were also a few verbals taking place so his celebration could well have been a release of frustration built up from this. I think they were relived to see Norwood go off as he was creating havoc.

Didn't the Halifax captain say after the cup tie that Tranmere were ''nothing special'' or words to that effect? Maybe Norwood was querying those remarks.

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