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Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
By dixon9
November 13 2008
Last nights surprising League Cup victory for Burnley over Chelsea is receiving more headlines for the Drogba coin-throwing incident than for the match itself. The Ivorian striker was showered by coins from Burnley fans and subjected to racial abuse. Drogba responded by throwing one of the coins back into the Burnley section. The player will no doubt be punished - but what about the fans?

Comparisons are already logically being drawn with an incident at Highbury against Arsenal in January 2002 when Jamie Carragher was one of three players sent off.  Carragher was also abused by sections of rival fans who threw coins at him and Carragher, like Drogba, responded by throwing one of the coins back “from whence it came”.

A stupid thing to do?  Of course, although no charge was brought against Carragher by the FA, he was punished with an instant dismissal, a three-match ban, a police warning and a £40,000 fine from Liverpool.  Drogba should receive similar punishment although the fact that he only received a yellow as opposed to Carragher´s red could work in his favour (having said that, after pressure on the FA from the anti-Chelsea media band wagon his punishment will no doubt be greater!).

Both players apologised after the incident issuing similar worded statements from their respective clubs.

 

Drogba:

 "This is something I want to make clear. I tried to celebrate the goal and I received some things at me,"

"The big mistake I did was to throw it back so if someone was hurt, I just want to apologise for it."This is not something I should show in a football match and I want to apologise.

"It was an incident in the heat of the moment and I regret it. It was just a mistake and nothing more."

Jamie Carragher, Liverpool

Carragher:

"I regret what happened at Highbury because I let the club, the fans, my team-mates and myself down,"

"No matter what the physical or verbal provocation, I shouldn't have reacted like that. I would like to apologise for any offence caused.

"I was frustrated and did it without thinking in the heat of the moment. Anyone who has seen me play regularly will realise it was completely out of character but I'm not going to make excuses.

"I was wrong and as a professional football player I should have known better. It's a mistake I won't make again."

But the Carragher and Drogba incidents aren’t isolated.  Graeme Le Saux also spoke out after coin throwing from West Ham fans during a match at Stamford Bridge - also during January 2002.

"Coin-throwing happens quite a lot more than it's actually reported.  On Saturday I picked up a coin and gave it to the referee rather than let it lie on the ground. I was vilified by the West Ham fans for doing that, as if I was telling tales. But if someone throws a coin, it's up to everyone, including the supporters, to make sure it doesn't happen again."

“There are some vicious people out there. I've got two children, and if I had nothing to do with football, I'd think twice [about going] because of the animosity, verging on hatred, that you sometimes find."

Drogba holds up a coin after gesturing at the Burnley fans

Many football fans are extremely hypocritical anyway when it comes to players responding to abuse. How many times do we hear and read about fans complaining how they were “offended” by a player giving a bit back to them after they themselves were quite happy to dish it out for 90 mins like the baying plebeian masses that they are?  Don’t mew away, crying like babies - If you can’t take it then doesn’t dish it out – it’s all part of spectacle.

The media are extremely happy to report and fill up their pages and reports of these incidents, seemingly campaigning for the offending player to be placed in the stocks by the town hall and pelted by the indignant – but what do they do about the ones who threw coins and objects at the players in the first place?  Did any Arsenal and West Ham fans actually get caught and punished for their parts in physical abuse of the players?  Will those Burnley fans who cowardly threw coins at Drogba receive any punishment?

In a perhaps somewhat contradictory manner I actually believe the “tribal instinct” that supporting a football team brings out in us is actually a good thing and key to maintaining whatever soul we can salvage in a modern game that is slowly becoming more and more sanitised and moribund. 

The banter and unsavoury abuse, the taunting and the humour between sets of fans – all essential in my opinion.  Sure, modern society is becoming more understanding and educated, more tolerant and intellectual, but let us not forget that even the homo sapiens that inhabit this planet should be allowed some form of outlet for their, shall we say, more base instincts and natural tribal roots. 

However, complete anarchy should not be allowed to reign – so let’s draw the line at physical abuse from the hoards on the players at least.  Let’s hope that the perpetrators of cowardly physical violence on football players are also pursued and punished with the same vigour as which the players are.

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Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: 50 Years Over 100 Years (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2008 20:16

Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players

Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: BurnleyBeerandChips (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2008 20:33

agree 100% the sc*m that threw the coin do not deserve to call themselves burnley "fans" if anyone knows who they are i hope they alert the relvent people so the bans can be dished out.

drogba shouldnt have thrown it back, it could have caused a riot or stampede ending in innocent people getting injured, but if a coin was thrown at me in the spur of the moment i cant honestly say i wouldnt have chucked it back!

I reckon burnley will be fined for the actions of the fans and drogba will get a 3 match ban

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Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2008 20:40

Thanks

And don´t think that we are suggesting that the Burnley fans on the whole are to be lumped in with the ones Imention in the article. After having read your board for some weeks now I get the strong impression that you are decent, humourous folk indeed.

Congrtas again for last night, good luck in the next round and of course. let´s hope you are up in the prem next season (give a chance of revenge!).





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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: BurnleyBeerandChips (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2008 20:43

i'll drink to that

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Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: Since 66 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2008 20:45

Owen Coyle said on SSN today that Burnley will do all they can to find the coin-thrower and punish him or her appropriately.

Obviously this announcement doesn't detract Didier from his actions.....


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Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2008 20:47

Indeed it doesn´t - he can be a bit of a petulant @#$%& at times!





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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: Since 66 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2008 20:55

To be honest I was in the MHL and I didn't see what happened till I got home in the wee wee hours - I reckon some Burnley fans got home earlier than me - but I remember last season when Dids scored in the Mestalla and turned to celebrate and he then remembered where he was and put his hands up to say sorry.

Not calling it an excuse, but what about if he 'really really' forgot that there were not any Chelsea fans in The Shed last night.

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Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: BurnleyBeerandChips (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2008 21:03

the pics show quite a few coins thrown, drogba sticking the finger up a throwing a coin back. think we started it unfortunately :-(

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Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: BBC 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2008 07:41

Hi just thought i would add my peice to this, i have worked on the other side of the fence and to put your minds at rest i posted this.

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What will happen, CCTV will be studied and faces will be uploaded.

Burnley have a great A4 file full of Faces, they will have the culprits names, its just the time in making sure we get the correct people, not the innocent bystander who just so happened to be close to the coin throwing perpetrators.

The police will search out fans who travelled, while having served or serving a football ban, or having a history in football related offences.

The CCTV they have at grounds now, spend the entire time fixed on the crowd, they WILL find the coin throwers, and the way Burnley football club is policed with its no-tolerance, the idiots will be found !



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Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: Since 66 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2008 09:59

It seems Dids is getting support from his fellow pros and media - atlhough he knows he shouldn't have thrown the coin back.

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Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: Since 66 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2008 10:00

Cheers BBC2

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Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2008 11:26

Yep!

Nice one BBC2.





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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2008 11:28

If Drogab gets a ban he will probably miss the Arsenal game - although the FA have a very complicated situation; with Jamie Carragher he was sent off and so a 3 match ban - Drogba was only booked.





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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: BurnleyBeerandChips (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2008 11:38

just discussing that on the burnley site, if the ref saw his full reaction (swaring and throwing it back) should it not have been a straight red?? if he didnt see it all how could he book him?

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Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2008 13:06

It´s started:

FA Charge Drogba





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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: Turfite (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2008 13:25

Life time ban by Burnley waiting for them (Sm152)

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Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2008 13:54

Quote:
BurnleyBeerandChips
just discussing that on the burnley site, if the ref saw his full reaction (swaring and throwing it back) should it not have been a straight red?? if he didnt see it all how could he book him?

He was booked for running over towards the Burnley fans to celebrate.




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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: Since 66 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2008 13:55

Dixie pm you

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Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2008 14:09

Replied.


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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Ban the Fans - Not Just Punish the Players
Posted by: Since 66 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2008 14:15

got it

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