Chelsea in with 49M Bid for Torres

If Moureen was going back to Chelsea then Drogba wouldn't leave. If he wasn't leaving then why would Chelsea need Torres?

This article does seem like clutching at straws. Not surprising given how much it must have hurt losing to the Mancs.

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JOKE OF THE SEASON.....CHELSEA....RUNNING OUT OF IDEA I BELIEVE>...

you never get torros dream on you think that you can always bay what you wanna have not this time

Hicks will raise at 70 million and settle for 60 million,,,,,, he is desperate for the money

Oh ffs put an end to this. Why would Liverpool sell an incredible player that can make them money - shirts/marketing etc- score goals that take tham closer to the Premiership and alienate ALL the fans ?
That soft @#$%& in the Mail started this with one of the worst @#$%& fabricated load of bollocks I've ever seen - apparently Liverpool are in disarray and Torres could be sold as a result of that, yet a 2 page spread above his article was headlined Toxic at Stanford Park or the like and spoke about the poison flowing thru the now managerless club.No history, no class, no trophies. @#$%& em.

Its only paper talk."CALM DOWN" "CALM DOWN" "CALM DOWN"

Go Chelsea.... Buy the lot... Who cares we have plenty of cash. The others are all jealous

IF this was true it says alot about your new managers role, that players are being looked at without his authority. Obviously who ever it is, is gonna be a lap dog for Roman and told who to buy.

OR....

The successor is ALREADY known and HE has given his list to Abramovich and Kenyon.

My opinion is that Roman is doing all he can to tempt Mourinho back NOW instead of 2-3 years time.

For what it´s worth, I very much doubt Liverpool would let Torres go - unless of course, Waldorf and Stadtler are very stupid..............hold on a minute!


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It really doesn't matter whether Hicks would sell or not, the lad himself is where he wants to be and judging his character by his interviews, Chelsea is not a club he'd like to join.

"Torres himself blew the idea out of the water. The hitman, who scored 32 goals in his first season on Merseyside, said: "This is my team, my city and Anfield is my pitch. I can't tell you how good I feel about playing for Liverpool.

"It is so important to me that the fans think so highly of me. It is fantastic to see my name on the shirts of our fans.

"This was only my first season for Liverpool, and I can say without contradiction I want to play better here for many more yet.""

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Dont fall for that.I dont know how many times i have heard a player say that sort of thing.If your manager suddenly goes then what,are you telling me that torres wont follow him.

Exactly Carefree!

Although in this case, I can´t see him leaving (Who knows if we did actually bid for him - wouldn´t surprise me if we did - or if we didn´t).



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"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

If Rafa left I agree that Torres would be upset but I'm not sure he'd leave. He loves it here and judging by his character and things he's said while still at Athletico, Chelsea isn't his type of club at all. He likes the feeling of being at a club with a big history, and moneywise he took a wage drop (not much, but less all the same) to come to Liverpool.

He's the type of lad and player that every fan dreams of, wants to learn all about the club, it's history, the fans and the city. Wants to be here long enough to become a Reds legend, and after all is said and done, he showed incredible loyalty to Athletico. Admittedly, his love for Liverpool doesn't match his love for Athletico but he could have left AM when he was only 17 and every year since. That he gave them until he was 23 says a lot about him.

Evertonians wish they could have had the same with a lad they had who also 'adored their club' but who got out at the first opportunity.

Romans team building will fail on this one I'm afraid.

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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH reds


Whats its like to support a little team


a CLub who cant compete with the BIG BOYS in the transfer market in the premiership,


how is the whip around with SOS to buy the club,,,, oh HOLD ON I might spare a fiver.

We don't care what you think engerland 66, what we care about is our club in the right hands that actually cares what the fans thinks. Not fleecing the fans for everything they got like some.

and it's not SOS buying the club, but thanks for asking Share Liverpool is coming on nicely. Once ell is in place
there will be changes.

Torres has settled, he geniunly luvs the club the fans. He has a genuine attitude & is very loyal you can see that with his interviews. methinks he will be here for a long while yet.

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Iadmire your sentiments Waspy but unfortunately they might be a little naive.

Its quite obvious that H & G, despite their walks around the streets of Liverpool scarfed up whilst wearing $500 suits, don´t give a monkey´s about the fans - and then DIC - a powerful entity that specialise in making quick short/medium term profits then moving on will be any different (you should get the stadium out of it - but YOU will foot the bill) will be any different.

Then again, it´s quite clear that Roman Abramovich is obviously in it with Chelsea to make a fast buck (cough!) and only has his personal financial gain in mind...

I agree with Kate - we are NOT the type of club Liverpool are.




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"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

Remember Thierry Henry anyone?

Its quite obvious that H & G, despite their walks around the streets of Liverpool scarfed up whilst wearing $500 suits, don´t give a monkey´s about the fans - and then DIC - a powerful entity that specialise in making quick short/medium term profits then moving on will be any different (you should get the stadium out of it - but YOU will foot the bill) will be any different.


If the player doesn't want to go and the manager wants him what the feck can any Yank do?

As for DIC, you don't have a clue. I fully expect them to make a big profit 7 years down the line but in the mean time they will build a stadium and plug the merchandise hole that Liverpool have allowed to widen before they sell. If they were in it for the short term, why the hell have they waited around all this time just for us? They could have bought any club they chose.

You're so right in as much as you aren't our type of club. There is nothing about your scummy little club that is like us even with Heysel and the Yanks to bring us down. Your club is just a classless trophy buying little thing who will go back where they came from as soon as the sugar daddy goes.

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actually DIC are gopod at short to medium term investments BUT they also buy certain items for prestige for example they are going to build a $100 million F1 race track in dubai,.a venture that is impossible for them to ever make that money back, but it is for the prestige of hosting an f1 round at Dubai that they are doing it. this is the same reason that they are waiting to buy Liverpool and not just settling for anothwer team like Spurs or Reading, who would be desperate for them to buy them.

there are three teams in England that have a history that can bring prestige to Dubai through DIC they are Manu Arsenal and Liverpool and they ahve obviously decided to try and get the rteam with the most history and restore irt to itsd fromer glory to bring even more prestige

funny Arabic culture can be as mean with money as anyone, but when it comes to spending on luxuries to increase prestige they have virtually no budget.

As for DIC, you don't have a clue. I fully expect them to make a big profit 7 years down the line but in the mean time they will build a stadium and plug the merchandise hole that Liverpool have allowed to widen before they sell. If they were in it for the short term, why the hell have they waited around all this time just for us? They could have bought any club they chose.

You're so right in as much as you aren't our type of club. There is nothing about your scummy little club that is like us even with Heysel and the Yanks to bring us down. Your club is just a classless trophy buying little thing who will go back where they came from as soon as the sugar daddy goes.

You really have been back on the meths again haven´t you Kate!

You say I don´t have a clue about DIC - and then promptly proceed to write a paragraph actually agreeing with me about them!

As for buying trophies Kate - you should know all about that! You had the richest family in Britain bankrolling your club for 50 years (that´s 50 - not nearly 30 by the way Kate!).

Our "scummy little club" - coming from someone whose own club has the most notroius reputation for being "scummy" all I can do is smile at the irony!

You keep going on and on about "class" - whilst failing to realise that those that actually have "class" would NEVER EVER keep going on about it -and let´s face it - you never do stop going on about it do you Kate?!

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actually DIC are gopod at short to medium term investments BUT they also buy certain items for prestige for example they are going to build a $100 million F1 race track in dubai,.
...they ahve obviously decided to try and get the rteam with the most history and restore irt to itsd fromer glory to bring even more prestige.

OR because one of DIC has been a life-long Liverpool fan...(and it would also be easier to recoup investment and make a profit if they bought a team that was reasonably certain of playing Champions League football).

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funny Arabic culture can be as mean with money as anyone, but when it comes to spending on luxuries to increase prestige they have virtually no budget.

Apparantly, Liverpool fans don´t want to "buy" any success though - trophies should be earned through blood, sweat and tears etc etc blah blah - which is why I don´t understand while they have been looking for buyers to bale them out - why not earn it on the pitch IF they really do feel that money from outside "not earnt on the pitch" is immoral?



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the premeir league is a diffrent beast to the old league one of the 80's to even reamin in the league costs millions and to challenge costs tens of millions any fottball fan can appreciate that.

i think that mostly liverpoll fans are afraid that if tehy start spending similar money as Chelsea and Manu what comeback have they got for not haven won the league

You´re dead right about the PL tamotu - it really has become a monster money making league.

Ironic that Rick Parry, now their C Eexc, was the prime mover in forming the PL - it´s almost like their own creation finally eating away at them.

Rafa has spent quite a bit - but even some of the most ardent Liverpool fans know that money alone isn´t enough nor the total solution (otherwise Spurs and Newcastle would have had a few seasons of Champions League football by now for example).

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"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

Dixon, haven't you made a show of yourself enough with the 2 million you said Shanks got to gain us promotion and win trophies. You couldn't show us then, and you can't show us now where that money went....who were all these very expensive players we bought plassy classless Chelsea style?

As for DIC, again you miss the point. 7 years these days is a long time to own a club and build it up, I have no problem with that because the benefits from this one are all positive, the best reason of all being we will never be in the sad predicament Leeds fans are in under DIC.

They will build the much needed stadium and make us the merchandising profit making cash cow DM was always loathe to do. Once the stadium is on stream it will be paying for itself and the exploitation of our world wide fame and popularity will up the profits allowing us to compete for the better players.

As tamotu has pointed out though it's more likely to be prestige and a higher profile in America that LFC will provide for DIC, and don't be too sure that we'll stay under the leverage arm of Dubai, it's believed the Sheikh himself has a personal interest.

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ME make a show of MYSELF!!!

So Moores were only involved with Liverpool since the 80´s eh Kate? Soon put you right on that one didn´t I! You missed out over 20 years of your own clubs financial history - and it took a Chelsea fan to teach you! LOL!

I mean FFS! I´m talking to someone who didn´t even realise that Man Utd fans called themselves "Reds" as well until I pointed it out to you! KNOW your enemy Kate!

Re DIC: 7 years is a LONG time? I said that they were specialists in short/medium term investments - 7 years would fall into that category yet you went off on one of your rants again without thinking what you were saying. IF you READ what I said (SLOWLY) and then READ what you said in response, you´ll find that you were actually agreeing with me!




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ME make a show of MYSELF!!!

So Moores were only involved with Liverpool since the 80´s eh Kate? Soon put you right on that one didn´t I! You missed out over 20 years of your own clubs financial history - and it took a Chelsea fan to teach you! LOL!

I mean FFS! I´m talking to someone who didn´t even realise that Man Utd fans called themselves "Reds" as well until I pointed it out to you! KNOW your enemy Kate!



You originally said that a Moores had been our chairman for 50 years. You also said Sahnks was given 2 million to get us promotion and win trophies. Both totally wrong.

You were asked on both counts to prove what you said. You failed quite spectacularly and have continued ever since to throw in as many red herrings as you possibly could in trying to evade answering the question asked.

1.......Tell us what players were bought with this mythical 2 million.

You've been asked that question so many times now, without answer, that I feel like Jeremy Paxman trying to get an answer from a Tory.

Man United have always been the red devils and it's a comparitive recent thing they've started calling themselves reds.

Re DIC: 7 years is a LONG time? I said that they were specialists in short/medium term investments - 7 years would fall into that category yet you went off on one of your rants again without thinking what you were saying. IF you READ what I said (SLOWLY) and then READ what you said in response, you´ll find that you were actually agreeing with me!

I said in todays football world where Owners (Mike Ashley etc...) are trying to sell their clubs a year in to ownership. 7 Years would give us stabilisation and a good grounding for the club to go forward.

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Wrong wrong wrong!

You said (you laughed at me) that I was mad to think Moores had been involved with your club for 50 years - YOU said that he wasn´t involved with your club until his nepthew was chairman in the 80´s.

Moores - one of the richest family in Britain, according to you, had no affect on Liverpool football club nor gave you any financial advantage over other clubs. Forget the 2M it was much much more that he put in over the years helping you "buy" your trophies (as you put it).

DIC - you said I had no idea - but you fail to point out where in your repsonse above. As usual you open your big gob without thinking and then don´t have the dignity to admit you were wrong afterwards - so so typical of you Kate.





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"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

Man United have always been the red devils and it's a comparitive recent thing they've started calling themselves reds.

Recent? Since the 60´s Kate! Even if it would have been from say the 80´s 8which it wasnt) its still very very strange that you didn´t know that - until I pointed it out to you not so long ago.

The trouble is you do not expand your horizons - you are so insular and seem to be like a blinkered horse. One of the pleasures about being a football fan is having some basic knowledge at least about other clubs - especially your main rival.

For example, Chelsea fans know what their local rivals fans call themselves - very worrying that someone who professes to know so much and is constantly shouting down and abusing anyone who doesn´t agree with her, didn´t even know what Man Utd fans, Liverpools most hated rivals, call themselves

Decades missing on what you knew about your own club and the same again on your worst enemy - quite pathetic really.





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a little bit of topic but waht are the bigest rivals of each team

man u is it liverpool or man city
arsenal is it spurs or chelsea
liverpool is it everyone or their owners



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a little bit of topic but waht are the bigest rivals of each team
man u is it liverpool or man city
arsenal is it spurs or chelsea
liverpool is it everyone or their owners

Man Utd - Liverpool AND Man City (opinions split between their fans who are the most hated)

Liverpool - Man Utd and Everton (probably Everton shade it in the hate stakes for them....but then again...)

Arsenal - definitely Spurs

Liverpool owners probably don´t care much about anything - except making a lot of money out of the club.




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"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

You said (you laughed at me) that I was mad to think Moores had been involved with your club for 50 years - YOU said that he wasn´t involved with your club until his nepthew was chairman in the 80´s.


You're an out and out liar. You said we'd had Moores as a chairman for 50 years. I then pointed out to you prior to David Moores in 1990 we'd never, ever, had a Moores chairman.

Moores - one of the richest family in Britain, according to you, had no affect on Liverpool football club nor gave you any financial advantage over other clubs. Forget the 2M it was much much more that he put in over the years helping you "buy" your trophies (as you put it).


Changing your tune yet again. You said Shanks was given 2 million by a man who had only a few hundred pounds worth of shares in the club for a start, and whose life long love was Everton, to get us promotion and buy trophies. You then spectacularly failed to prove where the money was spent. You were even shown that the two managers to win most trophies over a 23 year period had a net spend of only just over 2 million quid. You ignored this and used your forever red herring by giving us your version of the Moores family history.

DIC - you said I had no idea - but you fail to point out where in your repsonse above. As usual you open your big gob without thinking and then don´t have the dignity to admit you were wrong afterwards - so so typical of you Kate

No Dixon, your trouble is you only see and believe what you write yourself. You supposed that Liverpool fans were under the delusion that DIC would be our Abramovich which isn't the truth at all. DIC, for Liverpool fans, are our potential saviours against doing a Leeds. Anything else they bring will be a bonus and if you knew anything about what you're talking about you'd realise there has been a subtle change in the rumours coming out from DIC. Try thinking Dubai holdings instead of Dubai investment, it remains to be seen which arm we'll come under but one thing is 100 % certain, a seven year ownership by Dubai will be far more beneficial to Liverpool Football Club than America.

Recent? Since the 60´s Kate! Even if it would have been from say the 80´s 8which it wasnt) its still very very strange that you didn´t know that - until I pointed it out to you not so long ago.


Didn't know? Why on earth would I know anything of the sort when they've had red devil flags and slogans around themselves since Busby first adopted the nickname red devils. It's the reason it is in their crest on their scarves and every otherarticle that is sold by United. They used every bit of exploitation they could to establish themselves as the red devils, prior to that I have no idea, and I grew up knowing them as that. If they were 'the reds' to you then good luck to you. They've always been the red devils as far as I'm concerned.

The trouble is you do not expand your horizons - you are so insular and seem to be like a blinkered horse. One of the pleasures about being a football fan is having some basic knowledge at least about other clubs - especially your main rival.


Oh I can well hold my head up with a basic knowledge of most clubs, where I differ totally to you is I don't profess to know their whole history and when I'm laughed at for being so totally wrong start back tracking and lying, just so I don't feel like the idiot everyone else can see I am.

For example, Chelsea fans know what their local rivals fans call themselves - very worrying that someone who professes to know so much and is constantly shouting down and abusing anyone who doesn´t agree with her, didn´t even know what Man Utd fans, Liverpools most hated rivals, call themselves


Our biggest rivals always have been and always will be Everton (The Blues), add that to your all knowing cockeyed lack of knowledge, United have been the red devils all of my life, I'm not about to change my view of this because somne idiotic know nothing plastic Chelsea fan tells me different.


Decades missing on what you knew about your own club and the same again on your worst enemy - quite pathetic really.



I see, so because you think you know everything about my club, even to the point of thinking we had a Moores chairman for 50 years which was totally wrong, always breaking transfer ecords (again totally wrong) you are teaching me what exactly?

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PLASTIC Chelsea fan?!!!!!

Why pray tell?






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Kate, you´ve always said that the Moores werent involved in your club until the 80´s - you know it, your mates on your board know it and I know it! It wasn´t until you started to google away (and you are famous for that - Miss Google was once your nickname wasn´t it?!) that you started to climb down quite pathetically without admitting that you were wrong.

As for Moores bankrolling your club, DON´T take my word for it then - take a look at what others (with a bit more knowledge about the game than you obviously have) say about the matter - I suppose THEY ARE ALL WRONG in your book?!!!:

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"Through the Darkness of Despair"

…On arrival at Anfield he found a run down ground, where the wind rattled through the corrugated roof of all parts of the ground…

…He approached the board for money to buy a young Jackie Charlton, but was unsuccessful. He approached the board for money to buy the Scottish midfield dynamo Dave MacKay, but was unsuccessful. Shankly had been assured by the board that they were as ambitious as he was to improve the clubs standing, but this was not proving to be true.

…Coming third in the second division was a fate so cruel it often brought tears to the eyes of fans, who wondered how long “The Darkness of Despair” would last. Shankly was already showing signs of desperation, he needed a benefactor who would not run away from signing cheques, they didn’t need to fill them out, Bill could do that, all they had to do was SIGN THEM!

Fortunately for Bill, that time was not that far away. Eric Sawyer an accountant with Littlewood Pools had been nominated by John Moores for a place on the board and if Eric had one skill that Liverpool needed, it was his ability to sign his name. The Liverpool boss could now spend the summer of 1961 looking for the ammunition that would fire Liverpool back to the top league,

Liverpool History artcle on Liverpool web by a life-time Liverpool fan



“At Liverpool the fans are monumentally sentimental, but they know their history and understand that money talks. The Shankly reawakening came only with the help of some Moores' money in the 1960s. Liverpool was one of the few clubs originally formed as a commercial venture.”

David Conn – The Guardian



Now, with Mourinho looking for friends after being pilloried from all quarters about his team and the methods they employ, he has found an unlikely ally in Dalglish.

"I had the same thing when I was at Blackburn," Recalled Dalglish. "If the usual contenders aren't winning the League then they are going to gripe. That's how football is.
"Chelsea are a fantastic club and I certainly don't have any problem with the fact that they are now the team everybody has to beat.

"People ' say they are all about Roman Abramovich's money, but so what? "Which club wouldn't love to have Chelsea's money? It's just jealousy.

"Every club that has won the title has spent money - even going back to my days as a player at Liverpool.

"Bob Paisley spent a lot of money to bring me in from Celtic. It was a lot to spend on one player at that time. Liverpool did it, Nottingham Forest did it, Aston Villa did it and Manchester United, Arsenal and Blackburn have done it.

"Now Chelsea are doing it and they are the team that everyone is having a go”.

Kenny Dalgleish



"It's an emotional time for me because my family has been involved in this club for fifty years."

David Moores (Littlewoods Empire and one of the richest families in Britain)


LIVERPOOL LITTLEWOODS POOLS EMPIRE FC - BUYING TROPHIES FOR 50 YEARS.

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..and Kate - don´t get confused about the nickname of the team "Manchester United" which is the "Red Devils" with what the fans call themselves (i.e Reds). It was this that you didn´t know - not the nickname of the team FFS!



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"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

And still you haven't told us what the mythical 2 million was spent on or indeed how we bought trophies plastic Chelsea style.

What Kenny omits to say is that the fee for him came from 'CLUB GENERATED' money as opposed to some old sugar daddy paying for him.

KEEGAN: FOUND IN THE LOWER LEAGUES AND BOUGHT FOR £33.000 IN 1971 AND SOLD FOR £500,000 IN 1977.

KENNETH DALGLISH - RECORD SIGNING - BOUGHT FOR £440,000 IN 1977

Can you do the number crunching Dixon?
CLUB GENERATED MONEY AS OPPOSED TO A SUGAR DADDY.

NOW, TELL US AGAIN WHICH PLAYERS WE BOUGHT WITH THIS 2 MILLION, THEREBY MAKING US BUY TROPHIES PLASTIC CHELSEA STYLE.
NO RED HERRINGS, NO LIES, JUST NAME A FEW PLAYERS THAT WE BOUGHT BEFORE SHANKS FIRST TROPHY AT A FEE NO-ONE ELSE COULD COMPETE WITH, CHELSEA STYLE. NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOU TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

NO-ONE, NOT EVEN BLACKBURN, HAVE BOUGHT THEIR TROPHIES LIKE CHELSEA HAVE.

NO BUILDING, NO HARD WORK, JUST GO OUT AND BUY THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLAYERS IN GREAT NUMBERS AND PUT THEM ON ASTRONOMICAL WAGES. EVEN UNITED WHO ARE FAR RICHER THAN YOU CAN'T COMPETE WITH THAT.

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The 2 million was a figure I saw in the press once, when I was a kid - it was to do with some deal with Littlewoods (Moores company).

I´ve told you before and again above that you can forget about the 2M if you want - its a LOT more than that over the years! (and by the way, I NEVER said the 2M was exclusive to Shanks - you brought that in - although I do contend that Moores helped you financially when Shanks couldn´t get out of the 2nd division).

For you to say "number crunching/sugar daddy WHEN YOU HAD ONE OF THE RICHEST FAMILIES IN BRITAIN BANKROLLING YOUR CLUB FOR DECADES IS PATHETIC.

..but you carry on with your illusion - your NEED to believe that Liverpool was built on flat caps, pints of bitter and the old corinthian spirit so that you can take a very false moral high ground - many of us know that´s all bollocks (just look at your success pre-Moores and post Moores to see the difference).

You keep pretending that one of the richest familes in Britain had nothing to do with your rise to power.

I´ll leave you with this - but what do they know eh?!!!:

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"Through the Darkness of Despair"

…On arrival at Anfield he found a run down ground, where the wind rattled through the corrugated roof of all parts of the ground…

…He approached the board for money to buy a young Jackie Charlton, but was unsuccessful. He approached the board for money to buy the Scottish midfield dynamo Dave MacKay, but was unsuccessful. Shankly had been assured by the board that they were as ambitious as he was to improve the clubs standing, but this was not proving to be true.

…Coming third in the second division was a fate so cruel it often brought tears to the eyes of fans, who wondered how long “The Darkness of Despair” would last. Shankly was already showing signs of desperation, he needed a benefactor who would not run away from signing cheques, they didn’t need to fill them out, Bill could do that, all they had to do was SIGN THEM!

Fortunately for Bill, that time was not that far away. Eric Sawyer an accountant with Littlewood Pools had been nominated by John Moores for a place on the board and if Eric had one skill that Liverpool needed, it was his ability to sign his name. The Liverpool boss could now spend the summer of 1961 looking for the ammunition that would fire Liverpool back to the top league,

Liverpool History artcle on Liverpool web by a life-time Liverpool fan


“At Liverpool the fans are monumentally sentimental, but they know their history and understand that money talks. The Shankly reawakening came only with the help of some Moores' money in the 1960s. Liverpool was one of the few clubs originally formed as a commercial venture.”

David Conn – The Guardian


Now, with Mourinho looking for friends after being pilloried from all quarters about his team and the methods they employ, he has found an unlikely ally in Dalglish.

"I had the same thing when I was at Blackburn," Recalled Dalglish. "If the usual contenders aren't winning the League then they are going to gripe. That's how football is.
"Chelsea are a fantastic club and I certainly don't have any problem with the fact that they are now the team everybody has to beat.

"People ' say they are all about Roman Abramovich's money, but so what? "Which club wouldn't love to have Chelsea's money? It's just jealousy.

"Every club that has won the title has spent money - even going back to my days as a player at Liverpool.

"Bob Paisley spent a lot of money to bring me in from Celtic. It was a lot to spend on one player at that time. Liverpool did it, Nottingham Forest did it, Aston Villa did it and Manchester United, Arsenal and Blackburn have done it.

"Now Chelsea are doing it and they are the team that everyone is having a go”.

Kenny Dalgleish


"It's an emotional time for me because my family has been involved in this club for fifty years."

David Moores (Littlewoods Empire and one of the richest families in Britain) (and that´s 50 YEARS Kate - NOT since the 80´s as you´ve always said!)


LIVERPOOL LITTLEWOODS POOLS EMPIRE FC - BUYING TROPHIES FOR 50 YEARS.

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"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.



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You're a liar Dixon, you know it and I know it.

You said that Shanks specifically was given 2 million quid to set him on the road to buying trophies. You are making a fool of yourself with so many red herrings.

Show us where the 2 million went.

Show us how we spent money far and away above our nearest rivals, plastic Chelsea style.

Show us how with ALL of this money Shanks and Paisley between them, over a 23 year period, had a net spend of only 2 and a half million.

Stop trying to bury my words with your repetitive red herrings. Be a man and show some backbone for once, admit there is no other club in this country who have been in the position Chelsea have been with their billion dollar sugar daddy to buy them trophies.

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In Rafa We Trust

£2 million to spend to win trppohies doesnt mean you spend that £2 million just on players you need better facilities, coaching staff, investingmenrts,

Considering the only changes were to the training ground and toilets at Anfield, only a very small portion of 2 million would be used for that. Shanks kept the same coaching staff so it doesn't take too much imagination to think the large mythical majority went on players. Not once has Dixon come up with anyone, he did tell us that Reds fans were going mad because Shanks wasn't using local players but buying them in from outside however. He was proved wrong in that as well.......but hell......you tell me where the mythical 2 million went then.

Shanks first title winning team contained all of these local players
Cally
Hunt
Byrne
Lawler
Smith
Ferns
Jones
Moran
A'Court
Lewis
Melia
Morrisey
Wheeler
Banks
Carlin

This is just another thing he fails to answer with anything solid.

Shankly and Paisley built teams with mostly unknown players and either brought them through the ranks or bought for little money from lower and Scottish leagues, with the odd good priced established player thrown in. I’m not having this arrsehole plastic insulting either of those men by saying they did it plastic Chelsea style. They did it the hard way not with some sugar daddy willing to outspend anyone with fees that no-one can compete with.

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When we want your opinion, We'll ask

In Rafa We Trust

You are the liar - and you know it!

Youve only got to go back a month and there´s a thread with even Carra (or Captain?) saying that the Moores weren´t involved at your club in the 60´s - you could go back even further and dig out some old threads where you laughed at me for saying it! Turns out they WERE involved in your club then - you were missing out over 20 years of your own clubs financial history!

Littlewoods? I said a long time ago that at one time they had contributed 2M - YOU took it as it was given to Shanks. And I say again, Moores have given a LOT more than that (as you know damn well).

You live in a blinkered world where you are always right don´t you?

This lot are wrong are they? They are all in cahoots with me! It´s all a great conspiracy against Kate!

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"Through the Darkness of Despair"

…On arrival at Anfield he found a run down ground, where the wind rattled through the corrugated roof of all parts of the ground…

…He approached the board for money to buy a young Jackie Charlton, but was unsuccessful. He approached the board for money to buy the Scottish midfield dynamo Dave MacKay, but was unsuccessful. Shankly had been assured by the board that they were as ambitious as he was to improve the clubs standing, but this was not proving to be true.

…Coming third in the second division was a fate so cruel it often brought tears to the eyes of fans, who wondered how long “The Darkness of Despair” would last. Shankly was already showing signs of desperation, he needed a benefactor who would not run away from signing cheques, they didn’t need to fill them out, Bill could do that, all they had to do was SIGN THEM!

Fortunately for Bill, that time was not that far away. Eric Sawyer an accountant with Littlewood Pools had been nominated by John Moores for a place on the board and if Eric had one skill that Liverpool needed, it was his ability to sign his name. The Liverpool boss could now spend the summer of 1961 looking for the ammunition that would fire Liverpool back to the top league,

Liverpool History artcle on Liverpool web by a life-time Liverpool fan


“At Liverpool the fans are monumentally sentimental, but they know their history and understand that money talks. The Shankly reawakening came only with the help of some Moores' money in the 1960s. Liverpool was one of the few clubs originally formed as a commercial venture.”

David Conn – The Guardian


Now, with Mourinho looking for friends after being pilloried from all quarters about his team and the methods they employ, he has found an unlikely ally in Dalglish.

"I had the same thing when I was at Blackburn," Recalled Dalglish. "If the usual contenders aren't winning the League then they are going to gripe. That's how football is.
"Chelsea are a fantastic club and I certainly don't have any problem with the fact that they are now the team everybody has to beat.

"People ' say they are all about Roman Abramovich's money, but so what? "Which club wouldn't love to have Chelsea's money? It's just jealousy.

"Every club that has won the title has spent money - even going back to my days as a player at Liverpool.

"Bob Paisley spent a lot of money to bring me in from Celtic. It was a lot to spend on one player at that time. Liverpool did it, Nottingham Forest did it, Aston Villa did it and Manchester United, Arsenal and Blackburn have done it.

"Now Chelsea are doing it and they are the team that everyone is having a go”.

Kenny Dalgleish


"It's an emotional time for me because my family has been involved in this club for fifty years."

David Moores (Littlewoods Empire and one of the richest families in Britain) (and that´s 50 YEARS Kate - NOT since the 80´s as you´ve always said!)

LIVERPOOL LITTLEWOODS POOLS EMPIRE FC - BUYING TROPHIES FOR 50 YEARS.



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"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

You're an out and out liar Dixon. You said all of this the first time in 05 when we beat your stupid shop bought with sugar daddys money team in the semi final, carra didn't even write on the site then.

Sir John Moores had a few hundred pounds worth of shares in Liverpool while giving most of his time effort and finance to his beloved Everton. The great majority of football clubs had local business men buy shares in local clubs, it didn't mean they had any power or say in where the club was going. Even Everton, who were known as the Millionairres Club never bought players the plastic Chelsea way.

Your club has gone from the edge of bankruptcy to being the plaything of a sugar daddy who has allowed the club to outspend and outbid every club on the planet and thereby buying every trophy you've won in the last few years. Liverpool have never been near to bankruptcy and never been in a position to outbid all of it's main competitors for every top player, your sugar daddy run championship manager club has. Accept it you phoney idiot, you haven't won trophies the way other clubs have, you've bought them.

You just aren't worthy of insulting two of the greatest managers in the game and all of your lies and red herrings have not managed to erase the fact that both together, over 23 years, have spent a grand total of 2 and a half million net. That's the bottom line.

Keegan sold for 500,000 - replaced with King Kenny for 440,000. The figures always add up no matter how many times you try to deny it.

You're a liar and one of the worst kind because you have never had the guts to just say 'yeah, we've bought trophies and I love it'instead you've made accusations and when you've failed to answer the questions arising from them you've back pedalled, changed tack and denied all knowledge of your earlier words. You're a pathetic little man who hasn't got an ounce of truth in him.

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When we want your opinion, We'll ask

In Rafa We Trust

Carra o captian -just a month or so or go on this board - can´t be bothered to look for it now but its there on one of your rant threads on here.

No truth in me? Pathetic little man?

These below are all liars and pathetic as well then? :

"Through the Darkness of Despair"

…On arrival at Anfield he found a run down ground, where the wind rattled through the corrugated roof of all parts of the ground…

…He approached the board for money to buy a young Jackie Charlton, but was unsuccessful. He approached the board for money to buy the Scottish midfield dynamo Dave MacKay, but was unsuccessful. Shankly had been assured by the board that they were as ambitious as he was to improve the clubs standing, but this was not proving to be true.

…Coming third in the second division was a fate so cruel it often brought tears to the eyes of fans, who wondered how long “The Darkness of Despair” would last. Shankly was already showing signs of desperation, he needed a benefactor who would not run away from signing cheques, they didn’t need to fill them out, Bill could do that, all they had to do was SIGN THEM!

Fortunately for Bill, that time was not that far away. Eric Sawyer an accountant with Littlewood Pools had been nominated by John Moores for a place on the board and if Eric had one skill that Liverpool needed, it was his ability to sign his name. The Liverpool boss could now spend the summer of 1961 looking for the ammunition that would fire Liverpool back to the top league,

Liverpool History artcle on Liverpool web by a life-time Liverpool fan


“At Liverpool the fans are monumentally sentimental, but they know their history and understand that money talks. The Shankly reawakening came only with the help of some Moores' money in the 1960s. Liverpool was one of the few clubs originally formed as a commercial venture.”

David Conn – The Guardian


Now, with Mourinho looking for friends after being pilloried from all quarters about his team and the methods they employ, he has found an unlikely ally in Dalglish.

"I had the same thing when I was at Blackburn," Recalled Dalglish. "If the usual contenders aren't winning the League then they are going to gripe. That's how football is.
"Chelsea are a fantastic club and I certainly don't have any problem with the fact that they are now the team everybody has to beat.

"People ' say they are all about Roman Abramovich's money, but so what? "Which club wouldn't love to have Chelsea's money? It's just jealousy.

"Every club that has won the title has spent money - even going back to my days as a player at Liverpool.

"Bob Paisley spent a lot of money to bring me in from Celtic. It was a lot to spend on one player at that time. Liverpool did it, Nottingham Forest did it, Aston Villa did it and Manchester United, Arsenal and Blackburn have done it.

"Now Chelsea are doing it and they are the team that everyone is having a go”.

Kenny Dalgleish


"It's an emotional time for me because my family has been involved in this club for fifty years."

David Moores (Littlewoods Empire and one of the richest families in Britain) (and that´s 50 YEARS Kate - NOT since the 80´s as you´ve always said!)


LIVERPOOL LITTLEWOODS POOLS EMPIRE FC - BUYING TROPHIES FOR 50 YEARS.




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"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

Wasn't me.

You keep putting those "quotes" up as though, soon everyone will believe them.

The 2 million was a figure I saw in the press once, when I was a kid - it was to do with some deal with Littlewoods (Moores company).

I´ve told you before and again above that you can forget about the 2M if you want - its a LOT more than that over the years! (and by the way, I NEVER said the 2M was exclusive to Shanks - you brought that in - although I do contend that Moores helped you financially when Shanks couldn´t get out of the 2nd division).


Reading between the lines, I would say this comment is an admission that you know you're wrong.
As I said before, hardly evidence to stand up in court, those "quotes" are they?
I do seem to remember Dixon that it was you who said Shanks had £2m given to him to "buy his way out of the second division", but the facts don't show that do they?

Lets be really honest here. If a sugar daddy rescured our club when only moments away from extinction, I'd be happy as larry and admit it.

Reading between the lines I´d say Kate jumps too quickly and doesn´t bother reading properly to be honest! Th eother day she said I didn´t have a clue about DI and then proceeded to write a paragraph agreeing with me! Shes so blinkered she can´t see the wood for the trees.

In any case, I´ve already said where I got the 2M from (above) and I stand by the financial help that Shanks received necessary to get you out the 2nd - and I also stand by the massive financial help the Moores family have given Liverpool over the years.

I mean really, ONE OF THE RICHEST FAMILIES IN BRITAIN BACKING YOUR CLUB and yet you still hang on to this rediculous flat cap, pints of bitter, corinthian spirit image that Liverpool was built on?!!!! The Moores family had nothing to do with Liverpool´s rise? It´s quite pathetic.

And as for me keep putting the quotes up not making it true how about you keep posting making it not true? What´s good for the goose and all that...

All I´m demonstrating is that I´M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HOLDS MY OPINION.

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"Through the Darkness of Despair"

…On arrival at Anfield he found a run down ground, where the wind rattled through the corrugated roof of all parts of the ground…

…He approached the board for money to buy a young Jackie Charlton, but was unsuccessful. He approached the board for money to buy the Scottish midfield dynamo Dave MacKay, but was unsuccessful. Shankly had been assured by the board that they were as ambitious as he was to improve the clubs standing, but this was not proving to be true.

…Coming third in the second division was a fate so cruel it often brought tears to the eyes of fans, who wondered how long “The Darkness of Despair” would last. Shankly was already showing signs of desperation, he needed a benefactor who would not run away from signing cheques, they didn’t need to fill them out, Bill could do that, all they had to do was SIGN THEM!

Fortunately for Bill, that time was not that far away. Eric Sawyer an accountant with Littlewood Pools had been nominated by John Moores for a place on the board and if Eric had one skill that Liverpool needed, it was his ability to sign his name. The Liverpool boss could now spend the summer of 1961 looking for the ammunition that would fire Liverpool back to the top league,

Liverpool History artcle on Liverpool web by a life-time Liverpool fan


“At Liverpool the fans are monumentally sentimental, but they know their history and understand that money talks. The Shankly reawakening came only with the help of some Moores' money in the 1960s. Liverpool was one of the few clubs originally formed as a commercial venture.”

David Conn – The Guardian


Now, with Mourinho looking for friends after being pilloried from all quarters about his team and the methods they employ, he has found an unlikely ally in Dalglish.

"I had the same thing when I was at Blackburn," Recalled Dalglish. "If the usual contenders aren't winning the League then they are going to gripe. That's how football is.
"Chelsea are a fantastic club and I certainly don't have any problem with the fact that they are now the team everybody has to beat.

"People ' say they are all about Roman Abramovich's money, but so what? "Which club wouldn't love to have Chelsea's money? It's just jealousy.

"Every club that has won the title has spent money - even going back to my days as a player at Liverpool.

"Bob Paisley spent a lot of money to bring me in from Celtic. It was a lot to spend on one player at that time. Liverpool did it, Nottingham Forest did it, Aston Villa did it and Manchester United, Arsenal and Blackburn have done it.

"Now Chelsea are doing it and they are the team that everyone is having a go”.

Kenny Dalgleish


"It's an emotional time for me because my family has been involved in this club for fifty years."

David Moores (Littlewoods Empire and one of the richest families in Britain) (and that´s 50 YEARS Kate - NOT since the 80´s as you´ve always said!)


LIVERPOOL LITTLEWOODS POOLS EMPIRE FC - BUYING TROPHIES FOR 50 YEARS.




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"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.



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You are the only one who said we bought our trophies by Shanks being given 2 million quid.

There isn't one shred of evidence to suggest we did anything near the plastic Chelsea way, not one shred of evidence to show how we bought top priced players willy nilly in order to buy trophies. If there was you'd have shown it by now.

You're a sad backboneless liar Dixon and deep down you know it and you also know you fecked up on this one.

The biggest piece of retreat now though is that AFTER SAYING FOR YEARS THAT SHANKS WAS GIVEN 2 MILLION you're now trying to backtrack from it when you know as well as I do that it was that comment that started all this. You're as slimey a toad as your CEO, the likes of you makes me sick to the stomach but you're typical of the club you support.

You've lost what little credibility you had, you've shown yourself to be a backpeddling internet big mouth who fails to back up his accusations with concrete evidence time and time again, Enjoy your easily bought trophies.

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In Rafa We Trust



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LOL! LOL! LOL!

You´ve got to laugh! I´VE lost credibility?!!!!!

So have this little lot as well then eh Kate?!!!

"Through the Darkness of Despair"

…On arrival at Anfield he found a run down ground, where the wind rattled through the corrugated roof of all parts of the ground…

…He approached the board for money to buy a young Jackie Charlton, but was unsuccessful. He approached the board for money to buy the Scottish midfield dynamo Dave MacKay, but was unsuccessful. Shankly had been assured by the board that they were as ambitious as he was to improve the clubs standing, but this was not proving to be true.

…Coming third in the second division was a fate so cruel it often brought tears to the eyes of fans, who wondered how long “The Darkness of Despair” would last. Shankly was already showing signs of desperation, he needed a benefactor who would not run away from signing cheques, they didn’t need to fill them out, Bill could do that, all they had to do was SIGN THEM!

Fortunately for Bill, that time was not that far away. Eric Sawyer an accountant with Littlewood Pools had been nominated by John Moores for a place on the board and if Eric had one skill that Liverpool needed, it was his ability to sign his name. The Liverpool boss could now spend the summer of 1961 looking for the ammunition that would fire Liverpool back to the top league,

Liverpool History artcle on Liverpool web by a life-time Liverpool fan


“At Liverpool the fans are monumentally sentimental, but they know their history and understand that money talks. The Shankly reawakening came only with the help of some Moores' money in the 1960s. Liverpool was one of the few clubs originally formed as a commercial venture.”

David Conn – The Guardian


Now, with Mourinho looking for friends after being pilloried from all quarters about his team and the methods they employ, he has found an unlikely ally in Dalglish.

"I had the same thing when I was at Blackburn," Recalled Dalglish. "If the usual contenders aren't winning the League then they are going to gripe. That's how football is.
"Chelsea are a fantastic club and I certainly don't have any problem with the fact that they are now the team everybody has to beat.

"People ' say they are all about Roman Abramovich's money, but so what? "Which club wouldn't love to have Chelsea's money? It's just jealousy.

"Every club that has won the title has spent money - even going back to my days as a player at Liverpool.

"Bob Paisley spent a lot of money to bring me in from Celtic. It was a lot to spend on one player at that time. Liverpool did it, Nottingham Forest did it, Aston Villa did it and Manchester United, Arsenal and Blackburn have done it.

"Now Chelsea are doing it and they are the team that everyone is having a go”.

Kenny Dalgleish


"It's an emotional time for me because my family has been involved in this club for fifty years."

David Moores (Littlewoods Empire and one of the richest families in Britain) (and that´s 50 YEARS Kate - NOT since the 80´s as you´ve always said!)

LIVERPOOL LITTLEWOODS POOLS EMPIRE FC - BUYING TROPHIES FOR 50 YEARS.





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"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

…He approached the board for money to buy a young Jackie Charlton, but was unsuccessful. He approached the board for money to buy the Scottish midfield dynamo Dave MacKay, but was unsuccessful. Shankly had been assured by the board that they were as ambitious as he was to improve the clubs standing, but this was not proving to be true.


Ok Dixon, so you're saying that before this "£2m Shanks was given", we couldn't get the top notch players, correct?


The Liverpool boss could now spend the summer of 1961 looking for the ammunition that would fire Liverpool back to the top league,

Now presumably we had this £2m gift, so who were the players or ammunition that we bought? (I think this may have been asked already)


“At Liverpool the fans are monumentally sentimental, but they know their history and understand that money talks. The Shankly reawakening came only with the help of some Moores' money in the 1960s. Liverpool was one of the few clubs originally formed as a commercial venture.”

"Some" Moores money. Hmmm doesn't say how much or indeed where it went.


"Every club that has won the title has spent money - even going back to my days as a player at Liverpool.

Of course they have. But does Kenny say we were given it?


"Bob Paisley spent a lot of money to bring me in from Celtic. It was a lot to spend on one player at that time.

Yes it probably was, but nothing extaordinary when we just sold the player he replaced for even more money (making a big profit).


Liverpool did it, Nottingham Forest did it, Aston Villa did it and Manchester United, Arsenal and Blackburn have done it.

Spent money. Yes of course, so what. Where in this does it say all those clubs were given it by a sugar daddy?

Of course clubs will spend big money. But none of those clubs were on the brink of going under one minute, then winning the league the next, or did I miss something?

Round and round in circles here Captain...

I´m saying that Moores have been with your club since the 60´s - NOT the 80´s as you lot used to claim and laugh at me for saying it was the 60´s. (In fact, Moores WHILST CHAIRMAN OF EVERTON - think about what I´m saying here!- put his chief accountant from Littlewoods Pools on the Liverpool board in the early 60´s.

I´m saying that at one point, Littlewoods had given you 2M over a period (probably when Shanks and the next was there). I remember clearly reading it when I was much younger but can´t find a copy on the net. In any case, the Moores have contributed A LOT MORE than 2m to Liverpool FC over the 50 years they were there - I doubt you´d deny that?

That Liverpool almost certainly wouldn´t have had the success they enjoyed without one of the richest families in Britain bankrolling them and that you have a real cheek mewing away about clubs buying titles - especially when even now you are all hoping and praying for some rich man or consortium to come in and bale you out - why not do it "The Liverpool way" - which is something you lot always keep banging away about?!!!

I mean, how can you honestly claim that one of the richest families in Britain´s financial support had nothing to do with Liverpool´s rise? It´s absolutely rediculous!

Some of you seem to have this very false image of Liverpool being built on falt-caps, pints of bitter and the Corinthian spirit - in my view and many others thats ALL A LOAD OF ROLLOCKS!




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"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.



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