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Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview

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By dixon9 April 21 2008
Yet another Champion’s League semi-final against Liverpool (the 3rd in 4 seasons in fact) but this time we at least have the advantage with the 2nd leg taking place at Stamford Bridge. 3rd time lucky for Chelsea? I would hope so – the contrary would surely indicate that it’s just “not to be” against Liverpool in these circumstances and that they hold an indisputable hex sign over us.

Liverpool progressed to this stage of the competition in controversial circumstances against Arsenal who are still smarting from what is generally perceived to be a grave miscarriage of justice.  It wasn’t just one incident that caused emotions to run high and fuel intense debates between the two sets of fans.  Sometimes you just have to take a dodgy decision on the chin but when its 2 or 3 that affect the result then you can understand the wrath emanating from north London.

BAROS KUNG FU

Liverpool do seem to have that bit of luck that is so important in this competition – the dubious sending off which reduced Inter to 10 men so early at Anfield then the controversial refereeing decisions (or non-decisions as the case may be) at the Emirates and later Anfield during this season follows the notorious “Phantom Goal” in the semi-final against us at Anfield in 2005.  We can only hope that their luck doesn’t continue – and even that karma may take its toll and we may well get the benefit of it.

You need a bit of luck and you also need your best players available. 

Lampard has not trained since the Wigan game when he left the field during the warm up for that game to rush to his mother’s hospital bedside who is in intensive care with double-pneumonia.  Lampard has travelled so I’d expect him to be in the side.

Ballack has been rested for the last couple of games due to a tweaked hamstring although he insists he is fit to start at Anfield.

Drogba has also travelled after having fluid drained from his knee – the only role our most dangerous striker has played in recent games is in the dugout listening to his ipod selection.  I would imagine he will be on the bench after only doing light training recently.

Essien will definitely not start as he is suspended for this leg, although to be honest, with the current wasteful 4-3-3 formation his absence is slightly reduced in importance.

Benitez has been very coy about the prospect of not having Gerrard available recently rested because of a neck problem –he’ll start though.

Personally, I’m feeling strangely relaxed about these matches.  I don’t feel any of the nerves that I experienced during the last two occasions.  Why’s that then?  Well, I think it’s probably down to a combination of reasons; as I mentioned before, this will be the 3rd crack at the Merseyside club in a CL semi final and I think I’ve used up a lot of my nervous energy during those ties – been there, done it and got the t-shirt – if we don’t beat them this time we just don’t deserve to. 

Secondly (and probably more importantly) I’m a bit disillusioned with Grant at Chelsea and the prospect of him being at Chelsea next season – that’s taken “something” out of me.  We are a bit like a rudderless ship only being kept afloat by what’s left of the team spirit in the players themselves. 

I think it’s quite astounding that we have pushed a side in Man Utd apparently playing out of this world all the way in the league (and brushed aside the ascendance of Arsenal in the process) and that we are in the semi-final of the CL – it just makes me wonder what we could have achieved this season with a top class Captain of the ship at the helm?

Nevertheless, of course I DO want us to win the semi-final and I actually believe we will go through - although it is with some dread I face the prospect of what Grant will do in the final. 

During the next few weeks we can expect more destabilisation campaigns from the media seeing as we are up against two of their favourites in the two most important competitions. 

We should be used to this of course, but I’ll admit it’s this type of favouritism to the “Old Guard” of clubs which has generally existed since the advent of the Premier League and Sky which reduces my attitude of almost indifference described earlier and stokes the fires within my heart.

This recently said by a Chelsea fan pretty much sums it up for me:

“So, all in all, we've got in-fighting among the players, a chairman that won't back the manager, players playing out of position, we lost a cup final to our biggest rivals, we got knocked out of the FA Cup to Championship fodder, our 'manager' sinks to new levels of delusion on a daily basis and, to make things worse, next week we go head-to-head with a team who we have never beaten in Europe and who are clear favourites to go through to the Final.

Pack your bags boys; we're going to Moscow.

If there's one thing we've ever been taught from supporting this club; write us off at your absolute peril.

Don't believe in Grant - believe in the players.

Don't believe in Kenyon - believe in Bruges in '95, Vicenza in '98 and Barcelona in 2005.

Don't believe in 'brand Chelsea' - we are Chelsea Football Club, and we will overcome.

It may be blind faith or it may be a sheer unwillingness to stare facts in the face... but I have faith in my club to deliver more and, after Grant is long gone and another man is in place, I will still have the same faith.

It's what keeps us all coming back week in, week out.

We're going to Moscow. Keep the Faith!”

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Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Laughing (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:21:04:17:48

The phantom goal u speak of would have been a penalty and red card had it not been awarded. The ref has stated as much. Get over it!

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Since 66 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:21:06:58:42

"A GLORIOUS UNPREDICTABILITY"

COME ON CHELSEA

JT LEGEND

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: carra (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:21:12:11:10

Again to close to call ,we need to keep a clean sheet at home annything else is a bonus.Couple of differances this time round ,1st leg at Anfield although we have disposed of Juve and Barca away 2nd leg.This time Chelsea are not the outright favourites so may be not as much expectation on the players shoulders.Anyway washed me scarf n top, will be well lubricated tomorrow afternoon ,bring it on .

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Kenny Dalglish (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:21:12:54:28

You're clearly not optimistic about beating the 'Pool and I don't blame you. You'll never beat the Mighty Reds in Europe and soon enough you'll be back in the lower reaches of the football league where you belong. No class.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:21:14:51:47

Lower reaches?

And where were you pary tell before Mr Moneybags Moores started ploughing his dough into your club?!!! Some people have short memories or are just too ignorant it would appear.







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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Kenny Dalglish (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:21:16:55:49

LOL - I've heard that myth spouted by Chelsea fans before, to try and justify the titles you've bought through Roman's dubious roubles. We won our 1st League title in 1901 and haven't been out of the top flight since 1961-62, long before 'Moneybags Moores' arrived on the scene! Our success was built on the genius of Bill Shankly, and if we did have a few more quid than some others (though still nothing like the gap that exists with Chelski and everyone else now) we earned our money through success, winning fa cups, league cups, league titles & european cups and building a loyal worldwide following in the process. You know you can't reasonably compare the two situations and I'm embarrassed for you that you would even try. Like I said, no class.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Since 66 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:21:18:53:42

omg dixon

No class

I luv it when a scouser comes on here and gives it no class.

What anniversary have Liverpool FC just remembered?

I will give you a clue

I was at Filbert Street when Leicester City beat Chelsea 2-0 and I got me picture taken with Dave Beasant.

No class, no history - yep Mr KD just like your mob!!!!

COME ON CHELSEA

JT LEGEND

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:21:19:07:42

Filbert Street - indeed , we may have been rubbing shoulders! Sunny day and we would have beaten (ironically) Liverpool´s points record for the 2nd Division if we had won (or drawn as well?).

Mc Callister scored a perfectly good goal ruled offside that day in our end.

It does get a bit boring when you get the same old comments "History" "Class" tradition" etc etc etc blah blah used as jibes against us - especially when 90% of the lemons making these comments have absolutely no idea what these words mean or know anything about their own history - a trademark of the typical, newbie, Sky educated fan unfortunately, loaded with bitterness about our assurgence into the upper eschelons of football.



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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.



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Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:21:19:12:05

Quote:
Kenny Dalglish
LOL - I've heard that myth spouted by Chelsea fans before, to try and justify the titles you've bought through Roman's dubious roubles. We won our 1st League title in 1901 and haven't been out of the top flight since 1961-62, long before 'Moneybags Moores' arrived on the scene! Our success was built on the genius of Bill Shankly, and if we did have a few more quid than some others (though still nothing like the gap that exists with Chelski and everyone else now) we earned our money through success, winning fa cups, league cups, league titles & european cups and building a loyal worldwide following in the process. You know you can't reasonably compare the two situations and I'm embarrassed for you that you would even try. Like I said, no class.

Oh dear! Nurse!

So before Moores came into your club in the early 60´s (hepled Shanks get out of the old 2nd) what exactly what was your standing in football? How many cups in europe had you won for example? When was the last time you had won the league?


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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: carra (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:21:23:21:15

Dixon before Shanks came only Manu Everton and Arsenal had won more titles.European football was in its infancy ,frowned upon by our own fa .Do believe you raised this Moores thing before ,they were more on the Everton side of things Dixon although as a family were great philantrapists .We were not a wealthy club at the time indeed Shankly threatend to resign on numerous occasions due to lack of funding .Lost out on Dennis Law and Jackie Charlton .Ismell a rat here by the way

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Reds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:09:41:14

Been down this road so many times with Dixon carra and when you ask him to back up what he says (LFC were given 2 million he says) by showing us which players we bought with all of this supposed money he goes missing.

From 1959 to 1984 - 25 years, yes Dixon 25 YEARS - Shanks and Paisley bought and sold players to the tune of 2.2 million net. He also reckons that Shanks ignored local players because of this 2 million he had to spend...

Shanks first title winning 17 man squad contained no less than 9 local players and the dearest player in the whole squad was Ian St John who cost £37,000.

To put this in perspective Man City had paid £55,000 for Denis Law and the same player was bought by United in 1962 for £100,000. A great, great player I know and I'm certainly not decrying his cost, but if, as Dixon has stated on so many occasions, Liverpool had this mythical 2 million how come their record fee was only £37,000?

Jimmy Greaves to Tottenham - £99,000 in '61 etc....

Take a look Dixon.......all those record breaking transfer fees you accuse us of didn't happen. Yes, we might have broken a few transfer records in certain departments like Emlyn Hughes record fee for a defender.....but overall we don't figure at all until '95 when we signed Collymore.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Reds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:09:45:48

BTW, by the time Shanks came in 1959 we'd already won 5 titles, the last being 12 years before he came.

You on the other hand hadn't won a title for 50 years (your only one) before Roman came to buy you a couple more.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: carra (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:11:51:31

Does this count as an away goal (Sm44)

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Reds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:23:31:18

Told ya didn't I carra? He never comes back with any back up for the rubbish he spouts.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: perrygroves (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:15:48:21

Liverpool progressed to this stage of the competition in controversial circumstances against Arsenal who are still smarting from what is generally perceived to be a grave miscarriage of justice. It wasn’t just one incident that caused emotions to run high and fuel intense debates between the two sets of fans. Sometimes you just have to take a dodgy decision on the chin but when its 2 or 3 that affect the result then you can understand the wrath emanating from north London.


true that.....no love for either team but I laughed my head off when Riise scored the O.G.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:16:29:24

Quote:
Kenny Dalglish
We won our 1st League title in 1901 and haven't been out of the top flight since 1961-62, long before 'Moneybags Moores' arrived on the scene! Our success was built on the genius of Bill Shankly, and if we did have a few more quid than some others (though still nothing like the gap that exists with Chelski and everyone else now) we earned our money through success, winning fa cups, league cups, league titles & european cups and building a loyal worldwide following in the process. You know you can't reasonably compare the two situations and I'm embarrassed for you that you would even try. Like I said, no class.

Moores has been involved with your club pumping his money in WHILST AT EVERTON since the early 60´s. Shankly couldn´t get you out of the 2nd and was on the verge of walking out and then Moores got involved - then you got promoted immediately and the rest is history.

Moores are one of the richest families in Britain and your success from the 60´s up until the early 90´s was built on their cash you plum.

No class eh?

Well at least I know my own clubs history!

What a plum!





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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:16:50:57

Quote:
Reds
BTW, by the time Shanks came in 1959 we'd already won 5 titles, the last being 12 years before he came.
You on the other hand hadn't won a title for 50 years (your only one) before Roman came to buy you a couple more.

That´s right, before Moores, one of the richest families in Britain, got involved at your club (WHILST CHAIRMAN OF EVERTON!!!) you´d won the league 5 times - that´s 5 times in 90 years of football history (football started around the 1870´s) which is 1 league title every 18 years or so.

AFTER Moores you won it around 14 times in 30 years!!!!!!!

Now, for you or any other Liverpool fan to say that one of the richest familes in Britain´s cash had no bearing on your sucess during those decades is just frankly, STUPID.





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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.



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Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:16:56:12

Quote:
Reds
Told ya didn't I carra? He never comes back with any back up for the rubbish he spouts.

I ALWAYS come back Kate - it´s just SO boring going over the same old ground with you, so boring hearing you bleat on endlessly about your trophies and going on and on and on about what great fans you are - vomit inducing stuff!

Don´t forget, up until recently, you always thought the Moores family wasn´t involved at your club until the 80´s - it took me to inform you of your error! You didnñt even know the Moores family had shares in Liverpool whilst Moores was at Everton at the same time!

You go on and on about your history - and you don´t even know that much about it!

You´re a joke girl!




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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:17:07:01

Quote:
Reds
From 1959 to 1984 - 25 years, yes Dixon 25 YEARS - Shanks and Paisley bought and sold players to the tune of 2.2 million net. He also reckons that Shanks ignored local players because of this 2 million he had to spend...

Shanks first title winning 17 man squad contained no less than 9 local players and the dearest player in the whole squad was Ian St John who cost £37,000.

What I said ages ago was that there was a time when Liverpool fans criticised Shankley for not using enough local players and buying more (or should that be MOORES?) from outside.

As for the cost of players it really is very silly to say we only spent xxxx net comparing player transfers to nowadays!!! For example, Alan Clarke was a record transfer fee in 1969 when Leeds bought him - now surely you are not saying that it was silly of say, Man utd to spend 30M on say, Ferdinand because you could of got 150 Alan Clarke´s?!!!




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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Reds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:21:56:22

I ALWAYS come back Kate - it´s just SO boring going over the same old ground with you, so boring hearing you bleat on endlessly about your trophies and going on and on and on about what great fans you are - vomit inducing stuff!


I can understand you vomitting, I'd vomit too if I had to sit amongst the trashy fans that are Chelsea. Plastic phonies with plastic flags and an even more plastic recent history.


Don´t forget, up until recently, you always thought the Moores family wasn´t involved at your club until the 80´s - it took me to inform you of your error! You didnñt even know the Moores family had shares in Liverpool whilst Moores was at Everton at the same time!


You mean I corrected you every time you said we'd had Moores as a chairman for 50 years? You really have no idea which Moores you keep talking about do you? Sir John Moores was chairman of Everton, he was the creator of the Moores billions. Ok? Got that? David Moores was only his nephew and was a Red, like his father, all of his life. The Moores did have shares in Liverpool, like many other business men and I'm still waiting to see which players the mythical 2 million went on.

I may be a joke Dixon but I'm not a liar, and I don't make things up about other clubs just to try and make it look as though my own club aren't the only one to buy trophies.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Reds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:22:13:07

Moores has been involved with your club pumping his money in WHILST AT EVERTON since the early 60´s. Shankly couldn´t get you out of the 2nd and was on the verge of walking out and then Moores got involved - then you got promoted immediately and the rest is history.


Wrong yet again, holding shares in a club does not mean you are pumping money in to it you dope.

Shanks threatened to walk out many times over his 13 years at Liverpool, he had no time for chairmen or directors.
It took him 2 seasons to gain promotion after some shrewd moves in the transfer market, the whole 17 man squad costing around 50,000. Now how that equates to your 2 million or even buying a title I don't know. Could you tell us which players were bought with the 2 million? You may know your own clubs history but your mind is completely befuddled about Livepools, you haven't got a clue.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:22:23:10

Quote:
Reds
Don´t forget, up until recently, you always thought the Moores family wasn´t involved at your club until the 80´s - it took me to inform you of your error! You didnñt even know the Moores family had shares in Liverpool whilst Moores was at Everton at the same time!


You mean I corrected you every time you said we'd had Moores as a chairman for 50 years? You really have no idea which Moores you keep talking about do you? Sir John Moores was chairman of Everton, he was the creator of the Moores billions. Ok? Got that? David Moores was only his nephew and was a Red, like his father, all of his life. The Moores did have shares in Liverpool, like many other business men and I'm still waiting to see which players the mythical 2 million went on.

I may be a joke Dixon but I'm not a liar, and I don't make things up about other clubs just to try and make it look as though my own club aren't the only one to buy trophies.

You are a liar and you know it - you are just trying to save face now! I said that Moores were INVOLVED with your club from the 60´s - you laughed and said that it wasn´t true because Mooores wasn´t Chairman of Liverpool until the 80´s.

I also pointed out that Moores had bought shares in Liverpool whlst at Everton - you said you weren´t sure about that until another poster came on and said that to be the case - you responded with a weak "Well so what? Why shouldn´t he be able to invest in a business?"

NOW of course you know the truth and want to make it yours! You missed off 20 years of your own clubs history and it took a Chelsea fan to teach you it!

You´re a joke!

“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:22:26:40

Quote:
Reds
Moores has been involved with your club pumping his money in WHILST AT EVERTON since the early 60´s. Shankly couldn´t get you out of the 2nd and was on the verge of walking out and then Moores got involved - then you got promoted immediately and the rest is history.


Wrong yet again, holding shares in a club does not mean you are pumping money in to it you dope.

You may know your own clubs history but your mind is completely befuddled about Livepools, you haven't got a clue.

Oh dear oh dear! When I talk about Moores involvement with Liverpool whilst at Everton I´m not just talking about the shares - something a bit more relevant than that actually.

Tell you what....skip away and google and google (which you are famous for on the network for doing) and see if you can guess what it is? You DO know about your own clubs history DON´T you?

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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Reds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:22:33:37

What I said ages ago was that there was a time when Liverpool fans criticised Shankley for not using enough local players and buying more (or should that be MOORES?) from outside.


No, you're befuddled again Dixon. These locals all played a part in the title winning squad of 1962

Cally
Hunt
Byrne
Lawler
Smith
Ferns
Jones
Moran
A'Court
Lewis
Melia
Morrisey
Wheeler
Banks
Carlin

As for the cost of players it really is very silly to say we only spent xxxx net comparing player transfers to nowadays!!! For example, Alan Clarke was a record transfer fee in 1969 when Leeds bought him - now surely you are not saying that it was silly of say, Man utd to spend 30M on say, Ferdinand because you could of got 150 Alan Clarke´s?!!!


Why is it silly? You said that Liverpool were given 2 million quid to buy themselves trophies, I'm showing you how ludicrous your claims are.
I wasn't comparing anything to nowadays. I am questioning your statement that we were given 2 million quid to spend on players which gained us promotion and started us winning trophies. 2 million quid was 2 million quid then as it is now, and if our record transfer was Ian St John at £37,000 where did the other £1,963,000 go? Simple question and one that should be easy to answer if what you said was true.


ALL I'M ASKING YOU TO DO IS BACK UP YOUR STATEMENTS WITH FACTS AND FIGURES.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Reds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:22:37:11

Oh dear oh dear! When I talk about Moores involvement with Liverpool whilst at Everton I´m not just talking about the shares - something a bit more relevant than that actually.

Tell you what....skip away and google and google (which you are famous for on the network for doing) and see if you can guess what it is? You DO know about your own clubs history DON´T you?


SO BACK UPYOUR TWO MILLION CLAIM WITH FACTS AND FIGURES.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:22:38:02

I´m telling you what YOUR fans thought - they used to criticise Shankley at one point for not using local lads - it´s true!




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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Reds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:22:47:41

Absolute poppycock.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: carra (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:22:54:15

Dixon when will you learn ,Reds has chewed you up and spat the bones out time and time again, but you keep coming back for more.She knows a dam site more about LFC than i do never mind you ,the facts n figures , dates ,have been laid out for you time n time again .Concentrate on your own team and realise Reds might just know a little bit more about LFCthan you.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:23:04:48

LOL!

Deluded as usual!

Lets see how long it takes her to tell me the connection with Moores and your club since the 60´s (not the shares).







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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Reds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:23:14:44

What I know and don't know is immaterial Dixon until such time as you

BACK UP YOUR TWO MILLION POUND CLAIM WITH FACTS AND FIGURES.

You know you can't, I know you can't, carra knows you can't, and I think anyone else reading this will know you can't, just admit it.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:23:29:23

Oh dear!

YOU DON´T KNOW THE ANSWER DO YOU - YOU DON´T KNOW HOW MOORES FUNNELED HIS MONEY IN WHILST STILL AT EVERTON DO YOU?!!!

Google away all night girl - you´re bound to come up with the answwer and say you knew all along!

Come on now! chop chop!



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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Reds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:23:33:33

Why are you too embarrassed to admit you made a statement that had nothing whatsoever to back it up?



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Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:23:42:37

Moores did channel some of his money through Littlewoods pools in the 80´s I think - I remember that the "sponsorship" was worth around 2M - I´ll have to hunt around for it I suppose.

NOW, prove that YOU actually KNOW just how Moores was first connected with your club in the 60´s (NOT the 80´s as you used to think).





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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Reds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:24:23:44:43

You said we'd had Moores as a chairman for 50 years, we didn't. Simple as that.

Now show us where the two million went. This will be good.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Reds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:25:09:24:03

Moores did channel some of his money through Littlewoods pools in the 80´s I think - I remember that the "sponsorship" was worth around 2M - I´ll have to hunt around for it I suppose.

So you are now admitting that Shanks wasn't given 2 million? That he found good players in the lower divisions and turned them in to stars? Which is the reason we got promotion and won trophies?

All clubs have sponsorship, what's that got to do with the 2 million you said we were given to get out of the 2nd division and bought us trophies.

Liverpool were well earning enough in the 80's to be able to buy any player they wanted. David Moores took over in 1991 and put in money towards build the Centenary stand, that still isn't buying trophies like Chelsea.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:25:14:00:45

(Sm22) FFS Kate! Littlewoods WAS Moores! It was the family company!

Tell you what, I´ll go one further and say that Moores have ploughed a LOT LOT more than 2 million into your club.

I mean, how can you seriuosly suggest that Moores, one of the richest familes in Britain, had NOTHING to do with your rise from the old 2nd division through to the 90´s when they had been at your club for 50 years. Just look at the difference in honours before and after!

You´ve still to answer my question - you must have had a good old trawl around the net by now surely?



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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: Reds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:26:12:17:38

FFS Kate! Littlewoods WAS Moores! It was the family company

I know exactly who Littlewoods are, having worked for them for a few years at one time. I also met Sir John Moores on a number of occasions, so please don't tell me about Littlewoods. You can't even get it together with the fact that there were different factions of the Moores family. They sponsored the FA Cup too, what's your problem with sponsorship? Aren't Chelsea sponsored or something?

Tell you what, I´ll go one further and say that Moores have ploughed a LOT LOT more than 2 million into your club.


You said Moores put 2 million in to Liverpool to help Shanks get out of the second division and win trophies, and not ONCE in all the time you've been saying it have you been able to show one bit of evidence as to which players the money was spent on. You have continually ignored that question, I wonder why. In fact, it's been shown to you time and time again how little Liverpools title winning teams cost under Shanks and Paisley but still you persist with your nonsense.

Chelseas team on the other hand have cost millions and millions and millions, Roman has certainly paid for his trophies. Truth of the matter is Chelsea would never have won the title if they hadn't had a benefactor who was willing not only to put a couple of million in like most chairman, but many, many millions making Chelsea the phoniest club on the planet.


I mean, how can you seriuosly suggest that Moores, one of the richest familes in Britain, had NOTHING to do with your rise from the old 2nd division through to the 90´s when they had been at your club for 50 years. Just look at the difference in honours before and after!


Sir John Moores was a blue through and through and didn't invest in Everton to get a bit of a dividend but actually put enough in for them to have the nickname the millionnaires club throughout the 60's and half of the '70's. Why haven't they won more trophies than Liverpool?
He died in '96 age 93 and still attended Everton games, one of the greatest loves of his life, up until a few years before his death. Are you trying to say that this man poured money in to Liverpool Football Club (even though you can't show us where it went) to win all the major honours and ignored his beloved Everton? You have boxed yourself in to a corner and can't get out of it and we both know it.

Chelsea have won one league title and bought themselves two, like it or lump it.

Re: Karma To Get Us Through? Liverpool CL Preview
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:26:17:18:49

Quote:
Reds
FFS Kate! Littlewoods WAS Moores! It was the family company
I know exactly who Littlewoods are, having worked for them for a few years at one time. I also met Sir John Moores on a number of occasions, so please don't tell me about Littlewoods….

Tell you what, I´ll go one further and say that Moores have ploughed a LOT LOT more than 2 million into your club.


You said Moores put 2 million in to Liverpool to help Shanks get out of the second division and win trophies…..

Chelseas team on the other hand have cost millions and millions and millions, Roman has certainly paid for his trophies.

I mean, how can you seriuosly suggest that Moores, one of the richest familes in Britain, had NOTHING to do with your rise from the old 2nd division through to the 90´s when they had been at your club for 50 years. Just look at the difference in honours before and after!


You have boxed yourself in to a corner and can't get out of it and we both know it.

Chelsea have won one league title and bought themselves two, like it or lump it.

Are you saying that because you once worked for Littlewoods you have some kind of privileged information? That Moores gave you heads up on what he was doing with Liverpool? What was your position at Littlewoods then?

I said that Moores helped get Shankly out of the 2nd and that his money helped Shankly thereafter – I NEVER said that the 2M was exclusively during Shankley´s time – you are a liar and you know it. I said that at one point Moores had ploughed over 2M into your club (around the late 70´s/early 80´s it would have been). I am also saying that with Moores money you would never have achieved what you did.

Moores was one of the richest families in Britain at the time. Moores started giving you handouts since the 60´s (whilst at Everton – Can you imagine Abramovich giving money to Spurs?!!!) He also bought shares in Liverpool (20-25%). All of this YOU DIDN´T KNOW until I TOLD YOU! You always used to laugh at me for suggesting that Moores had been involved with your club before the 80´s – up until very recently YOU WERE MISSING 20 YEARS OF YOUR HISTORY! You stil don´t know how Moores started ploughing his money into your club from the 60´s – but then how would you seeing as you´d always thought the Moores money didn´t start until the 80´s? How can YOU lecture ME on your history when you don´t even know it yourself?

Whether you like it or not your club would never have had the success they once had if it hadn´t been for Moores – one of the richest families in Britain! Are you really suggesting that Moores had NO AFFECT whatsoever? Are you REALLY trying to say that? Ok, let´s say you are…..So what DID Moores bring to your club if it wasn´t money? I´d love to hear it!

You say that we bought our trophies yet completely ignore the fact that your most successful period in history was propped up by a rich man! HYPOCROSIY of the highest order!

Is it only me that thinks like that? Is it really JUST me that believes your dynasty was funded heavily by Moores? You are really thick if you think so! I think you NEED to believe it is so. There is plenty of stuff I can link up here

You have the gall to go on about Abramovich whilst completely ignoring the fact that Parry was hawking your club round the world for years (You can´t buy history but you can sure as hell sell it eh Kate?!). There you all were hoping and praying for someone rich to come in whilst slating Roman – you got what you deserved in H&G – and now you are praying for DIC to plough funds into your club! Hypocrosiy or what?

Your club is a massive stain on English football – you have cost the English game so much over the years yet you whine on and on and on about “tradition” and “history” and “Trophies” - it really is a joke.




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