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The Last Stand Of A Very Arrogant Man?


By Celine Dion
September 19 2015

I haven't seen the match, I had no intention of watching it, I prefer to enjoy my Saturdays. Besides it was Open House Day in London, I was sure this would prove to be more fruitful than watching the game, and so it proved. So I am publishing the thoughts of irascible Mr Celine Dion. His views start below

I'm not that interested in the sendings off, one thing people are forgetting is that Dean had already done us a favour when he didn't give a penalty for when Gabriel pushed Costa over in the box. So it's not some conspiracy against the Arsenal otherwise that penalty would have been given. Yes Dean should have seen what Costa was up to but after the bookings Gabriel should have jogged off up the pitch and been well away from Costa. This kind of thing has been going on since the dawn of time. A smart player runs away from it, this should be drilled into them by the manager. There should be a captain there doing his bit to make sure nothing silly happens as well.

The other thing is, we were achieving precisely fe*k all before all this happened. Usual Wenger performance in a big game. We turn up, it's the usual array of lightweight players doing lots of flicks tricks and feints, with no actual end result, then after 20 minutes the other team gets our measure, adjusts its game plan, and we barely see the ball again. Believe it or not, me and two other blokes predicted the entire game on Twitter at 9am this morning. The score, the first goal being a header from a set piece, the sending off, everything. Go and have a look if you like.

Anyway, what irritated me the most, apart from the fact that when Coquelin got injured there was no like for like replacement, was a corner just before Cazorla got sent off. We'd barely been in their half for many minutes prior to that. So if you've got pretensions for the championship, in an away game at the current champions, then a set piece like that is your big chance. It's one of the most likely chances you'll get for a big man from the back to get the equaliser, then your 10 men shut up shop for the last 20 minutes for a plucky point.

Anyway, because we're managed by Wenger, some half assed twit with silly hair strolls up and the ball doesn't even get past the first defender on the edge of the box. THATS what's wrong with the club and players, they're so convinced of their football genius, they can't be bothered with the basic requirements.

I'd say that from my view of Wenger has gone from a mild dislike, to a very strong one, and I don't even go to games any more. You are seeing the last stand (hopefully) of a very arrogant man.

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The Last Stand Of A Very Arrogant Man?
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015:09:26:18:44:42 by Padre Pio.

SuperRob
19/09/2015 17:52
How was open house? Which ones did you go to?

plonky
19/09/2015 17:55
Sounds like a burglars charter.

Padre Pio
19/09/2015 18:00
Crossrail was booked out. No 1 Finsbury circus was shut from 1 pm.
Then got lucky with Broadgate Tower, with featured abseiling. Then Exchange House. Finally Bishop Gate Institute which was by far the best. It was relaxing and didnt give a shite about the football

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Gunnersingh1
19/09/2015 18:15
The depressing thing is, you'll be publishing something similar to this in a year's time.

Padre Pio
19/09/2015 18:18
Quote:
Gunnersingh1
The depressing thing is, you'll be publishing something similar to this in a year's time.
Except I will be joined by many more Arsenal fans

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

AJ The Gunner
19/09/2015 18:19
Frankly I am more @#$%& off with myself for making excuses for Wenger...he ain't gonna change and he never will....at this point even if we sign ronaldo and messi, we will get the same result, attitude and mentality....its Wenger...it has always been Wenger....
Celine....you were even modest in describing the obvious....My Verdict is; Wenger OUT....don't care whatever excuse anyone gives Wenger is a Failure and I will never forgive him or the board if pep guardiola ever becomes the manager of city, Chelsea or utd.

Can We Now Trust The Process 🤔🤷🏿‍♀️ or Should We Still Remain Cautious 🙇🏿‍♀️

celine dion
19/09/2015 18:19
Quote:
Gunnersingh1
The depressing thing is, you'll be publishing something similar to this in a year's time.

To be fair, he was publishing this sort of thing from me 5 years ago.

Rockstaar
19/09/2015 18:48
what does a supposed missed penalty call have to do with anything...a penalty isn't a guaranteed goal

Costa had about 5 incidents BACK TO BACK..glossing over that like it made no difference is nuts

bottom line is the score was nil nil with eleven on eleven..

And as far as the match the roles were just reversed..

Chelsea was playing like Arsenal..pass pass pass possession possession and nothing in the final third..whereas Arsenal were defending defending and looking to counter on the break..that was the gameplan and it was working

sh.t officiating..is the only verdict

http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah110/onlyonerockstaar/arsenalsigs2_zps28332df5.jpg
[arsenalsigs.blogspot.com]

Gunnersingh1
19/09/2015 18:56
Quote:
celine dion
Quote:
Gunnersingh1
The depressing thing is, you'll be publishing something similar to this in a year's time.

To be fair, he was publishing this sort of thing from me 5 years ago.

I remember mate.

SuperRob
19/09/2015 19:07
Quote:
Gunnersingh1
Quote:
celine dion
Quote:
Gunnersingh1
The depressing thing is, you'll be publishing something similar to this in a year's time.

To be fair, he was publishing this sort of thing from me 5 years ago.

I remember mate.

We're all so fickle, aren't we.

SaltnPeppah
19/09/2015 19:24
Arsenal vs Chelsea in the League since Mourinho's return

2013-14
0-0
0-6

2014-15
0-0
0-2

2015-16
0-2

Bergmars
19/09/2015 20:12
Some of us have been wanting MSR Wenger out for some considerable time we have trodden water for a long time now.

Optimistic Gunner
19/09/2015 20:23
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Bergmars
Some of us have been wanting MSR Wenger out for some considerable time we have trodden water for a long time now.

Yes but we are the minority while majority of Arsenal fans still have faith in Wenger and cannot see the truth.

http://i.imgur.com/b1SeVpw.png

Padre Pio
19/09/2015 20:37
They can see the truth, they are terrified of change

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Optimistic Gunner
19/09/2015 21:01
Quote:
Padre Pio
They can see the truth, they are terrified of change

yup that is most likely, but change is needed asap even if it means things getting worse in the short term

http://i.imgur.com/b1SeVpw.png

Bergmars
19/09/2015 21:07
I think even the most ardent Wengerites are wavering now this window business is the straw that could break the camels back,Its bizzare that we apparently have money and Wenger chose not to strengthen.Injuries and discipline or lack thereof are now proving what folly it is to constantly gamble its not only stupid but shows an arrogance on a massive level.
Making the same mistakes year on year is a crushing indicment of his stewardship in the last eight seasons,seemingly unprepared for games lack off defensive organisation and ignoring any resemblance of rehearsed set plays its not good enough and frankly embarassing.

Optimistic Gunner
19/09/2015 21:24
Bergmars you are really underestimating the number of Arsenal fans who drink the Kool-Aid that Wenger and the club gives out.

People who blindly support Wenger and the board is still vast and almost cult like and I am not talking about hardcore AKBs either.

http://i.imgur.com/b1SeVpw.png

Bergmars
19/09/2015 21:32
surely the shambles of the summer and our distinctly lacklustre start must convince people he is past his sell by.

Optimistic Gunner
19/09/2015 21:41
Quote:
Bergmars
surely the shambles of the summer and our distinctly lacklustre start must convince people he is past his sell by.

only a few people, but a drop in the ocean really

I would say that the ratio of fans who want Wenger out vs fans who believe Wenger is the best option still is 1:10.

The majority of Arsenal fans will only turn against Wenger only if don't make the CL for 3 seasons in a row or if we get relegated. That is how bad things has to get before Wenger will feel any pressure on his job position.

http://i.imgur.com/b1SeVpw.png

weedz
20/09/2015 02:46
Whilst I understand and concur with this same old feeling of frustration and anger at yet another awful performance at the Bridge, I still don't understand why the point of attack is always aimed at Arsene Wenger, himself.

Maybe you're heading should read...

...The Continuing Stand Of A Very Arrogant Board Of Directors.

And I'm not trying to persuade you that AW it not at fault for yet another debacle. He is and no amount of protecting his players and blaming crapp officiating, is going to change this.

Poor leadership, a sub-standard transfer policy and a miserable team discipline, are there for all to see. One can't deny this.

I am suggesting it's about time that the fan- base aimed their displeasure at the people who employ our manager.

Since the end of WW1, 1919, when the FA restarted its 4 tier football league, with Arsenal fc in the 1st div, there’s only ever been one club to have never been relegated from Div 1/ EPL.

Arsenal fc

Let’s keep making history

Bergmars
20/09/2015 08:21
I would agree the board or whoever runs the club are culpable but Wenger makes the day to day decisions on playing and thats where we are failing.

Merlion96
20/09/2015 09:36
Knee jerk reaction.
Wait till May 2016.

I am calm as I expected a loss and no way will an archaic Arsene Wenger will be able to beat a street-smart Mourinho.

Akin to a classical savate fighter taking on a MMA professional with no holds bar.

Bad things come in threes.
Tiny Totts 4 0 Arsenal Reserves

Bergmars
20/09/2015 11:39
If it goes badly at SHL this will seem like a girl guides jamboree

De Times
20/09/2015 12:24
Quote:
Rockstaar
what does a supposed missed penalty call have to do with anything...a penalty isn't a guaranteed goal
Costa had about 5 incidents BACK TO BACK..glossing over that like it made no difference is nuts

bottom line is the score was nil nil with eleven on eleven..

And as far as the match the roles were just reversed..

Chelsea was playing like Arsenal..pass pass pass possession possession and nothing in the final third..whereas Arsenal were defending defending and looking to counter on the break..that was the gameplan and it was working

sh.t officiating..is the only verdict
But you don't have to tell that to someone who didn't watch the match but feels arrogant enough to pass judgement. Celine Dion was an Arsenal fan, but ask him to explain why he's not anymore and he will just tell you a lot of rubbish he can't substantiate.

"A club is a union between players, supporters and directors". - Wenger.
Arsene wenger has done an absolutely masterful job within the constraints he has... Every single year, he has outperformed our spending every single year he has been manager. It is extraordinary. -Gazides.

celine dion
20/09/2015 13:25
I did watch the match. PP didn't watch the match. You need to read more carefully. For the record, I don't really support Arsenal any more because I disapprove of the commercial direction big time football has gone in, and I have an strong antipathy for the manager. But I tend to watch all the games out of habit.

De Times
20/09/2015 15:16
Exactly what I'm saying, that your views has to be taken as that of an opposition.

"A club is a union between players, supporters and directors". - Wenger.
Arsene wenger has done an absolutely masterful job within the constraints he has... Every single year, he has outperformed our spending every single year he has been manager. It is extraordinary. -Gazides.

celine dion
20/09/2015 15:57
True. But there's a lot of fans who currently go to Arsenal who I know and who have the same views as me. Are THEY the opposition too? Complicated isn't it.

SuperRob
20/09/2015 17:18
Quote:
De Times
Exactly what I'm saying, that your views has to be taken as that of an opposition.

I don't disagree with this, and it's proof in itself that something is definitely very wrong.

celine dion
20/09/2015 18:06
That's the whole point isn't it SuperRob. By anyone's normal interpretation of what an Arsenal fan IS, I am an Arsenal fan. I was walking round in an Arsenal shirt when I was three. I've been to literally hundreds of Arsenal games. My house is full of Arsenal memerobilia.

When my mum says to me 'Arsenal were unlucky weren't they...' and I reply that I don't really care nowadays, she doesn't understand. Because she's known me for all of my 41 years and sometimes it probably seemed that it's ALL I cared about. Especially in the early 90s when it would have spent my last ÂŁ10 trying to get to another Arsenal game.

So what's changed? Have I changed? Possibly. But something else has changed as well. And that's what people need to try and understand.

De Times
20/09/2015 19:18
Quote:
celine dion
True. But there's a lot of fans who currently go to Arsenal who I know and who have the same views as me. Are THEY the opposition too? Complicated isn't it.
How do you major "a lot of"? 100 fans scattered all over the stadium could as well mean "a lot of", when actually it's just an inconsequential number of disgruntled elements. Any real Arsenal fan knows the club is on the up, and that the people running things have been putting in their absolute best.

"A club is a union between players, supporters and directors". - Wenger.
Arsene wenger has done an absolutely masterful job within the constraints he has... Every single year, he has outperformed our spending every single year he has been manager. It is extraordinary. -Gazides.

De Times
20/09/2015 19:21
Quote:
SuperRob
Quote:
De Times
Exactly what I'm saying, that your views has to be taken as that of an opposition.

I don't disagree with this, and it's proof in itself that something is definitely very wrong.
Nothing is wrong, it's delusional to assume anything is wrong with the club... Anyone with that point of view knows nothing, to be fair.

"A club is a union between players, supporters and directors". - Wenger.
Arsene wenger has done an absolutely masterful job within the constraints he has... Every single year, he has outperformed our spending every single year he has been manager. It is extraordinary. -Gazides.

celine dion
20/09/2015 19:43
Quote:
De Times
Quote:
celine dion
True. But there's a lot of fans who currently go to Arsenal who I know and who have the same views as me. Are THEY the opposition too? Complicated isn't it.
How do you major "a lot of"? 100 fans scattered all over the stadium could as well mean "a lot of", when actually it's just an inconsequential number of disgruntled elements. Any real Arsenal fan knows the club is on the up, and that the people running things have been putting in their absolute best.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one old boy.

Gunnersingh1
20/09/2015 19:55
De Times, if you got out of your cave you might see the sky.

De Times
20/09/2015 19:58
Quote:
celine dion
That's the whole point isn't it SuperRob. By anyone's normal interpretation of what an Arsenal fan IS, I am an Arsenal fan. I was walking round in an Arsenal shirt when I was three. I've been to literally hundreds of Arsenal games. My house is full of Arsenal memerobilia.
When my mum says to me 'Arsenal were unlucky weren't they...' and I reply that I don't really care nowadays, she doesn't understand. Because she's known me for all of my 41 years and sometimes it probably seemed that it's ALL I cared about. Especially in the early 90s when it would have spent my last ÂŁ10 trying to get to another Arsenal game.

So what's changed? Have I changed? Possibly. But something else has changed as well. And that's what people need to try and understand.
The only thing that has changed is that football isn't as entertaining as it was back in those days... Apart from Barca, Madrid, and Bayern, which other team has any exciting player to watch? ManCity is the best team in England now but who do they have? Aguerro and Silva... We use to have Henry, Pires, Vieira, Kanu, and Bergkamp, far more exciting players than anything in the league right now. Madrid use to have Zidane, Vigo, Ronaldo, Solari, and Roberto Carlos...

There is no exciting team in Italy right now, but we use to have AC Milan and Juventus with some absolutely top class players... Football generally has gone down in terms of stand-out exciting players that bring the fans to the stadium...

So I get bored from watching any football match these days, it's one of the main reasons I hardly talk much about it these days. It's not because Arsenal is letting anyone down or anything like that... Yes, the lack of trophies and the lack of faith in our chances has also played a part, but the main problem is that top class players are scarce, and it's unfair to blame that on Wenger. We have about 200 million pounds in the bank, ManU even has bigger, but there is no striker to buy with it.

"A club is a union between players, supporters and directors". - Wenger.
Arsene wenger has done an absolutely masterful job within the constraints he has... Every single year, he has outperformed our spending every single year he has been manager. It is extraordinary. -Gazides.

regnew
20/09/2015 20:07
Quote:
weedz
Whilst I understand and concur with this same old feeling of frustration and anger at yet another awful performance at the Bridge, I still don't understand why the point of attack is always aimed at Arsene Wenger, himself.
Maybe you're heading should read...

...The Continuing Stand Of A Very Arrogant Board Of Directors.

And I'm not trying to persuade you that AW it not at fault for yet another debacle. He is and no amount of protecting his players and blaming crapp officiating, is going to change this.

Poor leadership, a sub-standard transfer policy and a miserable team discipline, are there for all to see. One can't deny this.

I am suggesting it's about time that the fan- base aimed their displeasure at the people who employ our manager.

Totally agree and one way of making them accountable is a mass boycott of the Emirate Stadium.

Merlion96
21/09/2015 00:41
Quote:
De Times
Exactly what I'm saying, that your views has to be taken as that of an opposition.

De Times, for the very first time since I started watching "live telecast" Arsenal games, it was the very first time that I walked out in disgust after Cazorla was red-carded.

Previously, I just grated my teeth and continued watching to the bitter end during those 8-2, 6-0, etc. hammering.

Guess antipathy had sunk into Arsenal fans.

De Times
21/09/2015 10:15
There is no doubt we need sustained success at top level now, but it doesn't change the fact that we're also moving in the right direction.

"A club is a union between players, supporters and directors". - Wenger.
Arsene wenger has done an absolutely masterful job within the constraints he has... Every single year, he has outperformed our spending every single year he has been manager. It is extraordinary. -Gazides.

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