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9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?


Fox not Ox

By Boris Mellor
March 31 2012

For several years I have said to friends “This Team Hasn’t Got a Run In it”, I didn’t believe that Wenger’s teams since 2004 have had the strength to go on a run like the Wenger teams of the past. The last time the team went 8 wins in a row was March 2004.

Then after January the team went on a run, 7 wins in a row, the best run in five years. I was becoming convinced that at last Wenger had put together a team of real mental strength. Yes QPR would be a tough game, they beat Liverpool, but so what, King Kenny’s team is mentally feeble.

So I expected the team to overcome any difficulties and dispose of QPR, unfortunately I have the feeling that the team didn’t realise, or didn’t want to, that it would be necessary to work hard to win the right to play football against QPR.  What I didn’t take into account was the weakness of the squad and Arsenal’s continuing discomfort at facing relegation teams.

All credit to QPR, who for much of the match ushered Arsenal away from danger areas and restricted the reds to seven shots on target, and managed 8 shots on target themselves. Why do Arsenal need so many shots to score one goal?  QPR get 1 goal for every 4 shots, Arsenal got 1 for seven. There is no blaming the referee here, QPR won fair and square. They also exposed the idea that this team might be wearing the cloak of potential greatness.

Ah but its only one game some cry, you can’t judge on one game, very true that is correct. But you can judge on the whole season so far. This isn’t one game lost in isolation, this is the 9th defeat all season. The fact that Arsenal is third after losing 9 games tells me more about the weakness of the top 6 or 7 clubs in the premiership than the idea that Wenger’s squad is on the edge of greatness. It is another defeat against teams we should be able to beat. Man U, and Man City I can cope with, but the teams below Arsenal should be beaten.

As Arsenal struggled to equalise at 2-1 down Wenger brought on Gervinho, Chamakh and the Ox. QPR must have soiled their underwear at the thought of it. Sorry about the sarcasm, but apart from the Ox, I have no confidence that the other two can ever make a devastating impact.
I don’t understand why Wenger didn’t start with the Ox, is it part of his plan to encourage Walcott to stay? Unfortunately my scepticism was confirmed by subsequent events.

Van Persie Goal Drought Continues

We have all wondered what would happen if RvP was injured, but we didn’t think what would happen if he hit the wall. He now looks jaded and off the pace, well for two matches we survived without him scoring, but Villa were one of the worst teams I have seen this season.

QPR parked the bus, and apart from a great goal by Theo no one else could break the deadlock, we needed some magic from RvP but the he couldn’t provide it. He may well be exhausted after carrying such a heavy responsibility all season.

Many fans have questioned the inclusion of Ramsey, and I must say it was hard to be convinced he deserved his selection  today, I assume Wenger has one eye on next season, if he has, one thing he may have noticed is that he still has a lot of dead wood in his squad that need to go, and that a few quality buys would not go amiss. He needs to be able to summon some impact players from the bench. He has no faith in Park or Benayoun.

I watched the game at the Emirates club level live screening, it was my young nephew’s first visit to the stadium, even though it was a defeat he still enjoyed his visit. After the game we went to the museum and he enjoyed seeing and hearing about the legends from the 30s, 50s, 70s, 80s, 90s and then 2004. He loved the invincible trophy. Somehow since 2004 Wenger has lost the ability to win trophies, this squad, without major changes, is not about to change that. Of course it can fight for 4th place, or possibly third, but I doubt if many, if any,  of this squad will be remembered in the museum that my nephew enjoyed so much.

The staff were wonderful making his visit a very happy one, and like most 8 year olds he wasn’t that bothered by the defeat. Indeed he had me in stitches as he decided the reason for Arsenal’s poor passing in the last third was due to brain damage. He felt they had headed the ball too much and that had given them brain damage. He had a point QPR made it difficult for Arsenal to keep ball on the ground.

One game tells you very little, but ten games do, this is number 8 of present sequence, number nine will be Man City, I really hope the team regains its new found mental strength, for they showed very little of that today, playing mostly with the handbrake on, but it’s only a game, be careful out there.

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9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
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31/03/2012 20:22
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012:04:08:19:48:22 by Padre Pio.

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
Gunners R Us (IP Logged)
31/03/2012 20:38
I don't think you're right

Villa were THE worst team I have seen all season

I actually thought blackburn gave a better account, we played very well that day. The villa game we were bog-standardly average and didn't need to get out of gear 2.

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
31/03/2012 20:46
Well you just proved my point GRUS. Villa were so poor that Arsenal didnt have to do very much at all. villa had one shot on target - who has been poorer than that at the Emirates?



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
31/03/2012 20:50
i dont think rvp not scoring is an issue, the first game that we have lost in 8 wasnt as a result of rvp's goal drought

we are still siiting pretty in 3rd despite our 9th loss of the season and thats all that really matters

i hate the fact we lost today but our season dosent end today



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Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
31/03/2012 20:54
I dont think our season ends today either, but if we want trophies next season there is a bit of work to be done



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
eduardo (IP Logged)
31/03/2012 21:07
Padre are you saying Theo should not have started today's game, he has been in fine form in recent games



*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
31/03/2012 21:09
No I am not saying that, and he scored a fine goal, but he feels threatened and upstaged by Ox. Some of his reactions to him remind me of Henry's treatment of Reyes.



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
eduardo (IP Logged)
31/03/2012 21:12
have not seen that level of reaction by theo to AOC apart from one game, and since then both seem like good pals



*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
31/03/2012 21:16
Yes and since then Ox has been less involved in 1st team



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
tigerline (IP Logged)
31/03/2012 22:25
A LOT less.

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
eduardo (IP Logged)
31/03/2012 23:07
theo's spat with AOC was before the run of wins, even before the AC milan game at Emirates, and hasn't AOC played a part in most if not all of our last ten games, and did he not star in the AC game, its far fetched to be laying the blame for AOC not getting games at the feet of theo, but of course a new stick has to be found to beat Theo with, seeing as he is playing very well of late



*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
31/03/2012 23:48
No way am I laying stick on Theo, so please stop that Eddy.I have never been a Theo basher. I dont think Wenger is using the Ox enough. He has not been a regular starter in first team since the man U game at home.
Wenger has been enjoying subsituting as early as possible when he does start him to show crowd he is the boss.
He has also stressed that the Ox will be a middle of the park player



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
eduardo (IP Logged)
31/03/2012 23:54
well with all that then why bring theo into it in the first place, if its wenger showing the crowd who's boss then why imply its down to anything to do with keeping theo happy
for me AOC being left out is more of AW's silly heirarchy of selection



*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
01/04/2012 00:20
So you concur with me that Wenger is letting the Ox know where he stands in line? That also benefits Theo because it assure him he is higher up the pecking order, that he is is senior. That will make him more likely to re-sign



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
Indiangooner (IP Logged)
01/04/2012 04:53
defensively we were extremely poor last nite.... but we cld hv outscored them if our attacking players had been lined up in a proper way.... reminds me of away win at Chelsea...

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
Bergmars (IP Logged)
01/04/2012 10:04
Well if its true that AW is threatening success for his own ego that is scandalous,I find it difficult to subscribe to a theory that would actually work against him.
Surely it is in his own interest that the team has success,I thought we had left those theories behind.
He should put out the best possible team to achieve the results end of.



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Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
Nameless (IP Logged)
01/04/2012 15:02
AOC isn't getting much games for the simple reason that AW always does this with just about every youth player he signs or graduates into the first team. Thrown in the CC team, before getting a couple FA cups, then a few EPL games here and there (mainly as a sub). Theo was no different in that regards around AOC's age, being second choice to Eboue at RM/RW, and I'll be expecting the same situations with AOC, Miyachi, etc.

If anything, the team selection yesterday would indicate that it's Ramsey that Wenger is trying to appease, which goes into another one of AW's policies (his 'pecking order' of players, regardless of form).

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
01/04/2012 18:48
Cesc was chucked straight in and so was jack after his loan spell.

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
SuperRob (IP Logged)
01/04/2012 20:40
Is it a coincidence that Theo's form nad work ethic has picked up around the same time that the ox started showing him up? Competition for places is a good thing and if theo feels threatened by oxlade then that is also a good thing.

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
eduardo (IP Logged)
01/04/2012 20:59
its not theo's place that AOC should have most under threat, wide left or attacking midfield should be more where he is picked, theo is doing a very good job



*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
Nameless (IP Logged)
01/04/2012 22:30
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Bring back stepanovs!
Cesc was chucked straight in and so was jack after his loan spell.

Wasn't Cesc only thrown in because Vieira (and then Gilberto) got injured though? So it was more the case of Wenger's hand being forced, if anything (increased further when Vieira left). Fortunately, Cesc was able to thrive and make the position his own.

Jack, meanwhile, was with the first team since he was 16, long before his loan spell and subsequent breakthrough season (2-3 years later).

AOC hasn't even been with the club for a year yet, so unless Wenger's hand is forced somehow through injuries (like with Cesc), it's unlikely he's going to get more than the odd game or two for the time being.

 
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Indiangooner (IP Logged)
02/04/2012 07:28
Tho Ramsey was signed in 2008, this is his first full season with the club .... y doesnt the above logic apply to him .... give him a few starts here and there and some substitute appearances rather than throwing him in the deep end all the time..... especially when he has had a torrid time on the pitch as well as from the fans....

 
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Nameless (IP Logged)
02/04/2012 15:17
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give him a few starts here and there and some substitute appearances rather than throwing him in the deep end all the time.....

This was already the case before (and after) his injury. Then Cesc left and AW didn't buy anyone for that position, so then who is left available to fill in that position in the starting XI? Enter Aaron Ramsey.

(Although one could argue that if Diaby was available, he'd have probably got the spot instead)



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Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
Indiangooner (IP Logged)
02/04/2012 15:22
then play him in the centre, not shunt him on the left wing when thr r atleast 3 players better than him in tht position on the bench... besides the jury is still out whether hes our best AM option

 
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younghansolo (IP Logged)
02/04/2012 15:35
I think It's a really interesting point about none of them being remembered in the museum like previous greats. That's quite sad really, when you think of the players we have had playing for us in the last few years. People like Cesc and Robin were truly once in a generation players

 
Re: 9th Defeat Not 8th Victory RvP Goal Drought Brain Damage?
Nameless (IP Logged)
02/04/2012 15:53
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then play him in the centre, not shunt him on the left wing when thr r atleast 3 players better than him in tht position on the bench...

I agree. However, it seems apparent that AW doesn't want to drop Rosicky (since he's been on-form), yet not keep him at the expense of Ramsey's spot in the starting XI (see eduardo's comment about hierarchy of player selection), so Ramsey ends up out wide so Wenger can 'solve' both dilemmas.

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besides the jury is still out whether hes our best AM option

I agree with that too (that's why I also mentioned Diaby as a possible option). Despite seeing others suggest Jack, I don't think he can play there. AW has also said as such too, saying he's better when he has more time to see what's developing ahead of him on the field before making decisions.

 
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younghansolo (IP Logged)
02/04/2012 16:10
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eduardo
its not theo's place that AOC should have most under threat, wide left or attacking midfield should be more where he is picked, theo is doing a very good job

I don't think it's just a case of Theo's position on the pitch though. It's also the whole label of being a great young English wide prospect. Theo has that title currently and has done for years and on paper it appears that Alex has done more with his limited opportunities than theo did in years. that mist spur theo on when he hears that thrown at him. If it doesn't he won't make it as a top pro. Rise to the Challenge under adversity. We should be thankful it's working. Somoentimes the competition isn't just about your exact position it's you limielight, it's your fans etc.

I think theo is coming into his ability range now and is showing what he can do (albeit still too unregularly.)

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