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Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
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By Boris Mellor
September 28 2008
Come on own up you were expecting a victory against Hull yesterday. I don't remember any predictions of Hull winning, you could get a healthy 20-1 on that eventuality. Even Lawrenson was predicting a 2-0 victory to Arsenal. Now we all knew that we didn't have that midfielder or that ugly CB in advance, but no one thought that would mean a shock defeat, and it was a very big shock.
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September 28 2008
Come on own up you were expecting a victory against Hull yesterday. I don't remember any predictions of Hull winning, you could get a healthy 20-1 on that eventuality. Even Lawrenson was predicting a 2-0 victory to Arsenal. Now we all knew that we didn't have that midfielder or that ugly CB in advance, but no one thought that would mean a shock defeat, and it was a very big shock.
I don't know about you but I am still to get over it, but what does it all mean? There is an apocryphal story that when Chairman Mao was asked what he thought of the French Revolution he replied it was too early to tell. Now I do think it most unlikely that Arsenal will win the league, I thought that before yesterday. However any broader conclusions I will leave until quite a bit more of the season has taken place.
I am not going to overreact to what might be a freak result, but there are some trends that are becoming increasingly unpleasant and do not need more time to be analysed. Those trends include some of the nastier sides of football fan behaviour, but let's start at the beginning.
On entering the ground yesterday the steward searching my bag noted the vast amounts of reading material in it, "it won't be that boring", he quipped. How wrong he was, how wrong. Arsenal played so poorly that a good read would have been far more interesting.
Early into the game Eboue went to ground and asked for treatment. Get up you diving c**t yelled the fan behind me, and he wasn't the only one. I turned to him and said you don't know if he is injured. As it happened those closer to the action could see he had a serious bleeding from the nose. So football is becoming a blood sport now.
Arsenal were awful in that first half, they showed no respect to Hull, true they got the ball in the net once, but it was disallowed. The second half was a little better, for a while, and eventually sustained pressure and a good cross by Walcott forced Hull into conceding an own goal.
Hubris reaps its reward
Earlier in the week Wenger told the press that his defence had not been given full credit, well I wouldn't give them credit; even if Gallas turned up with his parents. As the crowd sang, "You should have stuck to the rugby", and within only 15 minutes of taking the lead, Arsenal were in arrears. Two one down to two of the finest goals you will see this season.
At long last Arsenal roused themselves, but too little too late. I do think there are problems with Cesc in deep midfield; it undermines the balance of the team. However the main reason for the defeat was the lack of respect shown to Hull. The belief that they could stroll around in the first half came back and bit the Arsenal in the bum. Defeat was fully deserved, but how to react to it. Well I don't blame those who just rushed home, but just as many stayed and gave Hull a standing ovation.
I have no problem with either reaction, but it's those who feel the need to denigrate Wenger, not that anyone at the ground did that. But even on the pages of this site you can read those calling Arsene an idiot. On other sites, and in other publications you can read far worse, including he is a cheat, a liar and they wish he would fuck off. You disagree with him - fine, say so, but is that how you would talk to him face to face?
Fans talk of Arsenal's right to win the league, if not once a year, then at least every three years. That's the sort of thing that used to make me dislike Man U fans so much. And if Arsene doesn't win the league then he must go.
It is not enough that he has finished in the top four every year for eleven years, provided a magnificent stadium, and now an amazing collection of youth players, no what we need to do is join in the managerial musical chairs of Chelsea, Spurs and Newcastle. Of course we know what a lot of good that has done for the last two, and the jury are still out on the first.
The innumerate
Now a new breed has joined the illiterate, the innumerate. I suppose there is always a lot of pleasure to be had from being able to say "I told you so". However that should be on the proviso that it is based on facts, so a headline stating that Arsenal have lost two thirds of its games certainly makes a strong case that Wenger is wrong and the author right. Now I am hardly Einstein but two out of six is not 2/3 rds, it is one third, and only six games have been played.
Sure make criticisms of Wenger, but keep them literate and numerate, and to the minority jeering Eboue please don't turn the Grove into a Roman arena by giving injured players the thumbs down.
A friend just rang to say he thinks he knows the cause of the defeat, since he stopped booing Adebayor he has stopped scoring. It is alright for him to joke, but I dont think I can stand losing after every 25 games at home all the time.
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Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: Arsenal Times (IP Logged)
Date: 28/09/2008 15:57
Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: brian from the b.o.f (IP Logged)
Date: 28/09/2008 15:58
Reasons to be cheerful... Tottenham lost today!
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 28/09/2008 16:25
Always someone worse than your self
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: Bergmars (IP Logged)
Date: 28/09/2008 16:34
I agree that Aw should get utmost respect,that said its not heresy to question some of his decisions.best manager in my time and I remember some crap,but he is not without blame.
Back and raring to go.
Back and raring to go.
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: AJ The Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 28/09/2008 16:38
i don't feel so bad.
i will seriously wait till march.thats when i will start to judge wenger harshly, especially if we fail to produce.
i wonder why he would undermine his best player cesc just to accomodate denilson who simply doesn't compliment fab as they are alike.i knew that denilson's goal would keep him in the team.i wasn't jumping with joy when he scored against bolton.i was upset cos it meant him keeping his place in an unblalanced selection.it's either wenger plays song who is the only one right now that will compliment fab or go buy us a descent DM
i will seriously wait till march.thats when i will start to judge wenger harshly, especially if we fail to produce.
i wonder why he would undermine his best player cesc just to accomodate denilson who simply doesn't compliment fab as they are alike.i knew that denilson's goal would keep him in the team.i wasn't jumping with joy when he scored against bolton.i was upset cos it meant him keeping his place in an unblalanced selection.it's either wenger plays song who is the only one right now that will compliment fab or go buy us a descent DM
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 28/09/2008 16:42
Of course I am not arguing that Wenger cannot be questioned, he is not without blame, but neither are the players
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: Bergmars (IP Logged)
Date: 28/09/2008 16:43
Agreed Padre.
Back and raring to go.
Back and raring to go.
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: AFC4life (IP Logged)
Date: 28/09/2008 20:52
"Two one down to two of the finest goals you will see this season" Padre
Really? Giovanni's yes, but a header from a corner? Surely u should have said one great goal, one terrible piece of marking again, at a corner again, from another lesser team again, where we had chances to easily win this game again, but our team were afraid to shoot again, and lost a game they should easily have won again.
p.s. If Aw does have the balls to drop Gallas, he should drop RVP with him not Denilson yet.
Really? Giovanni's yes, but a header from a corner? Surely u should have said one great goal, one terrible piece of marking again, at a corner again, from another lesser team again, where we had chances to easily win this game again, but our team were afraid to shoot again, and lost a game they should easily have won again.
p.s. If Aw does have the balls to drop Gallas, he should drop RVP with him not Denilson yet.
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 28/09/2008 21:15
It was great header, beat fab on the post, and opposition dont score that many at Arsenal
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/09/2008 23:27
so did mMellor, West Ham and BOlton.
He is not infalliable and an idiot for not shaking up the team after half-time.
How can he let such complacency set-in and praising that f**k-up defence leaking goals during set-pieces for TWO seasons?
He had acknowledged it and didn't fix it.
He bragged so much on depth of his squad, the need to play his youngsters so as not to hinder their developments, and therefore he will not buy experienced players, and for teh sake of an extra 2m (I heard that all personal terms had been agreed with ALonso) he refused to buy ALonso "too expensive".
And with ALonso playing deep behind Fabregas, a tough tackling no-nonsense aproach, what a difference he can make.
I reiterated, bragging do much about the development of his youngsters and yet reluctant to play DJourou or SOng in partnership with the likes of Hull CIty, is it not hidnering the development of DJourou as well as not rotating the senioe squad for Tuesday Porto match?
So Wenger is a lair as well?
- bragging so much and giving chance to his youngster to play?
- a crucial match against Porto on Tuesday and not rotating the squad?
- playing an injured CLichy and not resting him for Tuesday match? Care to tell me CLichy was comfortable playing and why so gingerly?
He is not infalliable and an idiot for not shaking up the team after half-time.
How can he let such complacency set-in and praising that f**k-up defence leaking goals during set-pieces for TWO seasons?
He had acknowledged it and didn't fix it.
He bragged so much on depth of his squad, the need to play his youngsters so as not to hinder their developments, and therefore he will not buy experienced players, and for teh sake of an extra 2m (I heard that all personal terms had been agreed with ALonso) he refused to buy ALonso "too expensive".
And with ALonso playing deep behind Fabregas, a tough tackling no-nonsense aproach, what a difference he can make.
I reiterated, bragging do much about the development of his youngsters and yet reluctant to play DJourou or SOng in partnership with the likes of Hull CIty, is it not hidnering the development of DJourou as well as not rotating the senioe squad for Tuesday Porto match?
So Wenger is a lair as well?
- bragging so much and giving chance to his youngster to play?
- a crucial match against Porto on Tuesday and not rotating the squad?
- playing an injured CLichy and not resting him for Tuesday match? Care to tell me CLichy was comfortable playing and why so gingerly?
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: litmus (IP Logged)
Date: 29/09/2008 02:20
Again we concede from a corner. Arsene talks about the need to defend better from set pieces, but there is also another solution. Change the personnel.
The fact that Gallas doesn't attack balls when defending corners is plain for everyone to see. At least Big Phil used to do it. A lot of our fans don't rate Terry highly because he's a c*nt, fair enough, but JT does attack the ball every single time without fear. He puts his head one the line which is why he had his lights out kicked by Diaby. Now thats what we need!
Arsene is the Manager and we stand behind him, but surely he must notice. What is the joy of only conceding one goal from open play (yes, its a screamer, but thats not the point) when you concede tons from set pieces?
Hull deserved their win for they had endeavour, but they did not have strikers in the mould of Torres or D. Villa, so why couldn't we have paired the taller and more physical Djourou with either Kolo or Gallas at the heart of our defense?
Losing to Hull wrecked my whole weekend! Well, almost... thank god for the Spurs antidote..
The fact that Gallas doesn't attack balls when defending corners is plain for everyone to see. At least Big Phil used to do it. A lot of our fans don't rate Terry highly because he's a c*nt, fair enough, but JT does attack the ball every single time without fear. He puts his head one the line which is why he had his lights out kicked by Diaby. Now thats what we need!
Arsene is the Manager and we stand behind him, but surely he must notice. What is the joy of only conceding one goal from open play (yes, its a screamer, but thats not the point) when you concede tons from set pieces?
Hull deserved their win for they had endeavour, but they did not have strikers in the mould of Torres or D. Villa, so why couldn't we have paired the taller and more physical Djourou with either Kolo or Gallas at the heart of our defense?
Losing to Hull wrecked my whole weekend! Well, almost... thank god for the Spurs antidote..
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: Gooner (IP Logged)
Date: 29/09/2008 02:38
Quote:Earlier in the week Wenger told the press that his defence had not been given full credit, well I wouldn't give them credit; even if Gallas turned up with his parents. As the crowd sang, "You should have stuck to the rugby", and within only 15 minutes of taking the lead, Arsenal were in arrears. Two one down to two of the finest goals you will see this season.
They started singing "we are top of the leauge" as well.
From that moment i knew it would backfire.
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Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/09/2008 04:06
C"mon.
We are FANS.
WE BELEIVE!!!
Credit to all S*CUMS OVER HERE.
THEY BELEIVE!!!
And when we beleive, it backfire, you condemned it as HUBRIS, ILLITERATE & INNUMERATE?
C'mon, after our yougnstewrs won 6-0, what do you expect us to do wehn senior squad got a nice week of rest and before that after travelling to Kyiv and yet still can whack Bolton at Reebok Stadium 3-1?
You expect us to predict a 1-0 or 0-0 when we are playing newly promoted Hull CIty, with nom stars, at Emirates?
You had the benefit of hindsight to castigate us for being deluded, hubris.
But why cna't we after the warm glow of these recent events AWAY FROM HOME!!!
- Blackburn 0 Arsenal 4
- Kyiv 1 Arsenal 1
- Bolton 1 Arsenal 3
AT the minimum, we should expect a 3-1 victory at Emirates against Hul CIty if we play our smoth passing style.
But nonody, nobody expected that f*king team not to turn-up and expect that idoit of an Arsene Wenegr to play Hul City a sif they are palying Aston VIlla, Everton or S*CUMS....especially when the next crucial match si against Porto, a "must win" else we wil again struggle with nail-biting finish to qualify for knock-out stage.
And why played an injured CLichy who looked discomfort and out-of-sort for teh whole match?
Can't Gibbs or SIlvestre handled Hul CIty?
Or our squad does not have depth that Wenegr had been bragging al the time?
I had patient with Wenegrese for the past 3 seasons, but this Hull City match was the straw that broke the camel back and just confirmed what Wengerese is: - Wenger is just a f*king lair and will never reveal the truth to the fans.
Like any AMerican politicans, just spin-doctoring and all good news bear.
Hubris?
WHy not after our youngsters slaughtered SHieffield Untied 6-0 with Wenegrball and can't we expect our senior team to play Wengerball to slaughter the likes of Hull City AT HOME!!!!
Compare to alst season - we lost 2-1 to ONE BOTTOM CLUB AND NEVER LOST AT HOME!!
The first 6 GAMES?
WE LOST TO TWO BOTOM-10 CLUBS!!
Isn't it a remincise of that disastrous 205/06 season when we need Davide Dein to insist S*CUMS palyed thru' LAsagnagate to clinch 4th spot?
Thsi season?
I beelive we need to win CL CUp to even qualify for CL CUp if we remain that inconsistent and oh soi eaisly beaten at home by journeyman teams playing traditionbal ENglish football with 2 tall and MOBILE forwards like MArlon King and Cousin.
These are the FIVEr secrets of "How to Beat Arsenal for DUmmies">
1) DO not be afraid of them. Play 4-4-2 with 2 mobile forwards that can hold the balls like MArlon King and COusin.
2) Ensure your whole team is full of super-fit runners like traditional ENglish palyers, box-to-box. The instant you lose the balls, start packing up the box with 8-1-1 forwation. Lick your chomps and just wait for all those square passes and high crosses from the flanks and high through balls between your defenders.
3) Be patient and wait for freekicks and corners. Then attack it, especially aim it towards Adebayor and Van Persie who can't jump to defend to save their lives.
4) Put an accurate shooter outside the box ready for cut-backs when your forwardsw win headers or dummied Arsenal defence with a backheel like Evra did TWICE or Kyiv did them whole night long.
5) Pressure CLichy, Sagna and Kolo as they invaribaly will comit a foul int eh box or msikick a ball. Either way, you can get a lucky penalty or even a lucky bounce of the nbal to have a clear shot at goal.
See, nowadays, any English team from Hull CIty to ManLeeds can so easily beat Arsenal at Emirates.
Even CITEH with Ireland, Micheal Johnson, Petrov, Robinho and SWP that cdan tear our defence and midfield to shreds by running at them.
SO, do we have enough hubris now to talk about beating S*CUMS, remain Top-4, let alone winning the title this season or the next 3 seasons?
We cna't even paly as asttractive aS hULL cITY, ADN WHAT BRAGgING RIGHTS WE HAVE over s*cums NOW?
i AM STILL IN A DEEP BLUE FLUNK AND STIL CAN'T GET OVER THAT WORST PERFORMANCE I EVER SINCE, INCLUDING THAT 6-0 DRUBBING AT MANLEEDS, 5-1 CARLING CUP DRUBBING AT WHL AND 4-0 FA CUP WHITEWASH AT OT.
WHat next?
Waiting for S*CUMS to ahve bragging rights by beating us at EMirates?
Form a Guard of Honor at EMirates to clap ManLeeds or CHelski for winning the title in 2009?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008:09:29:04:09:16 by Merlion96.
We are FANS.
WE BELEIVE!!!
Credit to all S*CUMS OVER HERE.
THEY BELEIVE!!!
And when we beleive, it backfire, you condemned it as HUBRIS, ILLITERATE & INNUMERATE?
C'mon, after our yougnstewrs won 6-0, what do you expect us to do wehn senior squad got a nice week of rest and before that after travelling to Kyiv and yet still can whack Bolton at Reebok Stadium 3-1?
You expect us to predict a 1-0 or 0-0 when we are playing newly promoted Hull CIty, with nom stars, at Emirates?
You had the benefit of hindsight to castigate us for being deluded, hubris.
But why cna't we after the warm glow of these recent events AWAY FROM HOME!!!
- Blackburn 0 Arsenal 4
- Kyiv 1 Arsenal 1
- Bolton 1 Arsenal 3
AT the minimum, we should expect a 3-1 victory at Emirates against Hul CIty if we play our smoth passing style.
But nonody, nobody expected that f*king team not to turn-up and expect that idoit of an Arsene Wenegr to play Hul City a sif they are palying Aston VIlla, Everton or S*CUMS....especially when the next crucial match si against Porto, a "must win" else we wil again struggle with nail-biting finish to qualify for knock-out stage.
And why played an injured CLichy who looked discomfort and out-of-sort for teh whole match?
Can't Gibbs or SIlvestre handled Hul CIty?
Or our squad does not have depth that Wenegr had been bragging al the time?
I had patient with Wenegrese for the past 3 seasons, but this Hull City match was the straw that broke the camel back and just confirmed what Wengerese is: - Wenger is just a f*king lair and will never reveal the truth to the fans.
Like any AMerican politicans, just spin-doctoring and all good news bear.
Hubris?
WHy not after our youngsters slaughtered SHieffield Untied 6-0 with Wenegrball and can't we expect our senior team to play Wengerball to slaughter the likes of Hull City AT HOME!!!!
Compare to alst season - we lost 2-1 to ONE BOTTOM CLUB AND NEVER LOST AT HOME!!
The first 6 GAMES?
WE LOST TO TWO BOTOM-10 CLUBS!!
Isn't it a remincise of that disastrous 205/06 season when we need Davide Dein to insist S*CUMS palyed thru' LAsagnagate to clinch 4th spot?
Thsi season?
I beelive we need to win CL CUp to even qualify for CL CUp if we remain that inconsistent and oh soi eaisly beaten at home by journeyman teams playing traditionbal ENglish football with 2 tall and MOBILE forwards like MArlon King and Cousin.
These are the FIVEr secrets of "How to Beat Arsenal for DUmmies">
1) DO not be afraid of them. Play 4-4-2 with 2 mobile forwards that can hold the balls like MArlon King and COusin.
2) Ensure your whole team is full of super-fit runners like traditional ENglish palyers, box-to-box. The instant you lose the balls, start packing up the box with 8-1-1 forwation. Lick your chomps and just wait for all those square passes and high crosses from the flanks and high through balls between your defenders.
3) Be patient and wait for freekicks and corners. Then attack it, especially aim it towards Adebayor and Van Persie who can't jump to defend to save their lives.
4) Put an accurate shooter outside the box ready for cut-backs when your forwardsw win headers or dummied Arsenal defence with a backheel like Evra did TWICE or Kyiv did them whole night long.
5) Pressure CLichy, Sagna and Kolo as they invaribaly will comit a foul int eh box or msikick a ball. Either way, you can get a lucky penalty or even a lucky bounce of the nbal to have a clear shot at goal.
See, nowadays, any English team from Hull CIty to ManLeeds can so easily beat Arsenal at Emirates.
Even CITEH with Ireland, Micheal Johnson, Petrov, Robinho and SWP that cdan tear our defence and midfield to shreds by running at them.
SO, do we have enough hubris now to talk about beating S*CUMS, remain Top-4, let alone winning the title this season or the next 3 seasons?
We cna't even paly as asttractive aS hULL cITY, ADN WHAT BRAGgING RIGHTS WE HAVE over s*cums NOW?
i AM STILL IN A DEEP BLUE FLUNK AND STIL CAN'T GET OVER THAT WORST PERFORMANCE I EVER SINCE, INCLUDING THAT 6-0 DRUBBING AT MANLEEDS, 5-1 CARLING CUP DRUBBING AT WHL AND 4-0 FA CUP WHITEWASH AT OT.
WHat next?
Waiting for S*CUMS to ahve bragging rights by beating us at EMirates?
Form a Guard of Honor at EMirates to clap ManLeeds or CHelski for winning the title in 2009?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008:09:29:04:09:16 by Merlion96.
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 29/09/2008 06:29
The hubris applies to Wenger on the defence. The illiterate to those who abuse injured players and those who name call Wenger. And I include myself, I predicted 3-0 win, I didnt expect anything else.
The innumerate have learnt how to add up and changed headine to one third but no mention of why they changed it.
I f you took the word idiot out of your posts they would be just as effective. Try Wenger gets it wrong it might work just a s well.
After all a bloke earning 2 million a year cant be a complete fool. Its us earning far far less and paying so much for our beloved club that are the real idiots.
The innumerate have learnt how to add up and changed headine to one third but no mention of why they changed it.
I f you took the word idiot out of your posts they would be just as effective. Try Wenger gets it wrong it might work just a s well.
After all a bloke earning 2 million a year cant be a complete fool. Its us earning far far less and paying so much for our beloved club that are the real idiots.
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: Bergmars (IP Logged)
Date: 29/09/2008 08:16
Wenger is not an idiot thats for sure,stobborn is what he is,whats the point of our youth policy if he wont bring them in,Gibbs could have played ,Clichy obviously was not fit,eveb Sagna seems to have caught the trend of not being able to defend.For the best part of four years we always look tlike we will concede,in fact I@#$%&myself whenever our opponents get near our area,we have been lucky at times not to concede,even against the poor teams we always look likely to concede.It needs sorting surely there is someone at the club that could tell Wenger FFS sort the defence its costing us, along with the ratio of chances required to goals scored of course.
Back and raring to go.
Back and raring to go.
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: AFC4life (IP Logged)
Date: 29/09/2008 09:02
we are no where near clinical and ruthless enough to destroy teams.
I know it was Sheff Utd but on tues our young team kept on at them not settling for a 1-0 or 2-0. When players come in to arsenal they are so eager to impress like Ade. Now against teams like hull they expected a 3/4-0 easy win.
We have no right to win games based on our passing style. We win games because we dominate and punish the opposition. We need to change a number of the personnel in the team.
1st Nasri back on the left for Eboue
2nd SOng in the middle for Denilson
3rd Vela on for RVP
4th Djorrou on for Gallas
Lets see how that team does as it addresses all of our weaknesses. It gives us an intelligent dribbler in Nasri who can shoot AND score
It gives us a big, tall, tought Defensive mid
It gives us a pacy, skillful striker who can shoot and score
It gives us physical presence and height at the back.
I know it was Sheff Utd but on tues our young team kept on at them not settling for a 1-0 or 2-0. When players come in to arsenal they are so eager to impress like Ade. Now against teams like hull they expected a 3/4-0 easy win.
We have no right to win games based on our passing style. We win games because we dominate and punish the opposition. We need to change a number of the personnel in the team.
1st Nasri back on the left for Eboue
2nd SOng in the middle for Denilson
3rd Vela on for RVP
4th Djorrou on for Gallas
Lets see how that team does as it addresses all of our weaknesses. It gives us an intelligent dribbler in Nasri who can shoot AND score
It gives us a big, tall, tought Defensive mid
It gives us a pacy, skillful striker who can shoot and score
It gives us physical presence and height at the back.
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: scorpion_nib1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/09/2008 09:03
well done padre..for pointing out the abuse we reserve for the team/arsene when things go wrong..shld be unacceptable really..even in an online forum.. call them useless..call them crap..but wishing they would *uck off, calling them idiots..*ankers...*unts...thats crossing the line..
you are either a fan or you're not..if the likes of eboue,denilson,RVP,ade,gallas,etc., were to read this forum, no way in hell would they accept some of us as fans.dont support blindly,but please show some respect.
one more thing..i think arsene gets too much credit sometimes for the new stadium.. not too sure how profound his involvement in the emirates project really was..
you are either a fan or you're not..if the likes of eboue,denilson,RVP,ade,gallas,etc., were to read this forum, no way in hell would they accept some of us as fans.dont support blindly,but please show some respect.
one more thing..i think arsene gets too much credit sometimes for the new stadium.. not too sure how profound his involvement in the emirates project really was..
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: perrygroves (IP Logged)
Date: 29/09/2008 09:16
I would'nt take any notice of that blog padre...its change of mind is breathtaking on any issues...arsene in/arsene out. ahh the fickle mob......
what worried me was finishing...
what worried me was finishing...
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/09/2008 09:19
scorpion,we were playign Hull City FFS, not Aston Villa, not Everton and not even S*CUMS....
Are you still blind to the fact that Kyiv torn our Defence apart and we survive with a large dose of luck plus some woeful shooting from Kyiv?
Arsene Wenger is a f*king idiot for not seeing this and came out with a statement such that this Defence NEVER conceded in open play. Excuse me, has he factor in "luck" as well?
I am still sick and can't get over the fact that the whole Hull City team may not cost more than Adebayor and yet beat us playing the English style, all hustle and bustle and superfit athletes runing all day with wholehearted commitments and refused to lie down and die.
Under pressure we panick, including an "experienced" Fabregas hoofing ianccurate high passes into the box..after spending the whole fo 1st half languidly stroling and stroking the ball sideway, backward, a forward pass on a wing and a prayer that it wil find an Arsenal player?
The only consolaiton is that this Hull City match is the pit.
Or is it more horror shows await us around the corner, beaten by Porto, beaten by Fenerbache, and out of CL CUp, meeting S*CUMS in UEFA Cup, struggling in mid-table, cna't even string 2 consecutive victories whatsoever?
We recover or we play like S*CUMS from now onwards?
Are you still blind to the fact that Kyiv torn our Defence apart and we survive with a large dose of luck plus some woeful shooting from Kyiv?
Arsene Wenger is a f*king idiot for not seeing this and came out with a statement such that this Defence NEVER conceded in open play. Excuse me, has he factor in "luck" as well?
I am still sick and can't get over the fact that the whole Hull City team may not cost more than Adebayor and yet beat us playing the English style, all hustle and bustle and superfit athletes runing all day with wholehearted commitments and refused to lie down and die.
Under pressure we panick, including an "experienced" Fabregas hoofing ianccurate high passes into the box..after spending the whole fo 1st half languidly stroling and stroking the ball sideway, backward, a forward pass on a wing and a prayer that it wil find an Arsenal player?
The only consolaiton is that this Hull City match is the pit.
Or is it more horror shows await us around the corner, beaten by Porto, beaten by Fenerbache, and out of CL CUp, meeting S*CUMS in UEFA Cup, struggling in mid-table, cna't even string 2 consecutive victories whatsoever?
We recover or we play like S*CUMS from now onwards?
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: scorpion_nib1 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/09/2008 04:52
LOL..again merlion..say whatever you want..agreed..its just that 'f*cking idiot' part that we have to think about. dont we love this team?? why get down to that? its personal abuse and its insulting..ofcourse the team has let you and me down..but we too have to look at ourselves..
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: nis (IP Logged)
Date: 30/09/2008 06:14
to be honest id rather not be on top now maybe about late january
Re: Illiterate & innumerate gang up - hubris punished
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/09/2008 10:54
Quote:scorpion_nib1
LOL..again merlion..say whatever you want..agreed..its just that 'f*cking idiot' part that we have to think about. dont we love this team?? why get down to that? its personal abuse and its insulting..ofcourse the team has let you and me down..but we too have to look at ourselves..
Yes, I do love the TEAM, I do love Wenger..but once in a while.jeeeeeeeeeezzzzzz.....that is the strongest I dare to put in writing.
Rant over till aftermath of Porto game...
Just to be on record:
His stubbornness may cost us the game.
Arsenal 0 Porto 1
Arsenal 0 Porto 0
Arsenal 2 Porto 0
Can't decide..
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