Paterson Update
By TheLongside.co.uk May 27 2008
Burnley have been interested in signing Scunthorpe United striker Martin Paterson. Following the rejection of an initial bid, today the Clarets followed this up with a second bid for the Northern Ireland international which was rejected by the Lincolnshire side.
Burnley have been interested in signing Scunthorpe United striker Martin Paterson. Following the rejection of an initial bid, today the Clarets followed this up with a second bid for the Northern Ireland international which was rejected by the Lincolnshire side.
The twenty-one year old was initially sought by Burnley two weeks ago following a £400,000 bid. This was turned down by United who are reportedly keen not to sell the Stoke born striker.
Manager Owen Coyle telling the official website:
The reply was not positive and the offer was publically turned down with details of the offer released on the Scunthorpe official website. TheLongside.co.uk message board users have been speculating that despite Scunthorpe saying that Paterson is not for sale, the article almost appears to be inviting a further third offer from the Clarets or improved bids from other clubs. |
Today the Clarets increased their offer to £450,000 with £50,000 after 30 appearances, another £50,000 once he had played 60 games and a further instalment should we gain promotion to the Premiership.Bookmark or share this story with:
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Date: 2008:05:27:15:52:56
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New Bid For Paterson (turned Down)
Posted by: Turfite (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:11:51:20
New Paterson bid
Burnley manager Owen Coyle has made an improved offer for Scunthorpe United striker Martin Paterson.
Scunthorpe have rejected Burnley's improved second offer for striker Martin Paterson.
not much of an offer
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Burnley manager Owen Coyle has made an improved offer for Scunthorpe United striker Martin Paterson.
Scunthorpe have rejected Burnley's improved second offer for striker Martin Paterson.
not much of an offer
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Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: Robert Kilroy Silk (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:11:52:16
im a bit worried if he is signed as a main striker
Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: Turfite (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:11:54:28
Owen must see something in him and I can't see him being 2nd choice if we are paying a lump for him
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Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: Robert Kilroy Silk (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:11:57:26
he may see something in him, but i would prefer to get someone about 25 with a good few years behind them AND in front of them. said it before but earnshaw would be ideal
or if we wnet for a young unrpoven one - MaClean from Peterboro
or if we wnet for a young unrpoven one - MaClean from Peterboro
Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: Longsiders1882® (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:12:03:11
And on another thread people are moaning we don't buy young and sell at a profit like PNE do - as I said, the club cannot win
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.-John Quincy Adams
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.-
Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: LightcliffeClaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:12:04:07
I don't mind us going for a young, unproven striker, but why do I get the feeling this is the new Ian Moore?
I'm worried he's going to be expensive and just run around a lot.
But what do I know, I hadn't even heard of him until a couple of weeks ago.
I'm worried he's going to be expensive and just run around a lot.
But what do I know, I hadn't even heard of him until a couple of weeks ago.
Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: Claret Kev (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:12:11:21
Exactly right longsider its doing my head in now people moaning everytime a player is linked.
What evidence do you base your statement that he's a new Ian Moore Lightcliffe?
What evidence do you base your statement that he's a new Ian Moore Lightcliffe?
Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: Longsiders1882® (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:12:13:39
Unlike Moore he has already played at and scored at this level
Decent stats for last season - 13 in 34 starts ( and 6 sub appearances). Scored a goal for every 226 mins on the pitch, so 1 in 3.
Arguably in a poorer team than us - with better service he might do better?
And again LC, so we have a bad experience (IMMM) and then we never take a risk again - yet we want the club to make more money on transfers like Preston. How exactly do they manage this if it is not signing players like Paterson?
Hey look I've no idea how good he is or isn't nor whether he can do the business for us but he fits the profile and scored more goals than anybody we have last season. Surely we have to start taking punts on these players if we wish to move on?
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.-John Quincy Adams
Decent stats for last season - 13 in 34 starts ( and 6 sub appearances). Scored a goal for every 226 mins on the pitch, so 1 in 3.
Arguably in a poorer team than us - with better service he might do better?
And again LC, so we have a bad experience (IMMM) and then we never take a risk again - yet we want the club to make more money on transfers like Preston. How exactly do they manage this if it is not signing players like Paterson?
Hey look I've no idea how good he is or isn't nor whether he can do the business for us but he fits the profile and scored more goals than anybody we have last season. Surely we have to start taking punts on these players if we wish to move on?
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Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: Preston_Clarets (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:12:16:54
Id be more than happy if we signed Paterson - 21 years old, scored 13 championship goals with a relegated side. I wouldn't like to see the club part with more than £600k for him though.
I (like alot of people) would rather see Riordan in a Claret shirt though.
I (like alot of people) would rather see Riordan in a Claret shirt though.
Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: Longsiders1882® (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:12:18:43
For what its worth my gut tells me that Riordan could well be on his way here as well - and that he and Paterson will be signed using the cash we get for Lafferty.
Just a feeling - no doubt I'm miles off.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.-John Quincy Adams
Just a feeling - no doubt I'm miles off.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.-
Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: LightcliffeClaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:12:20:27
Right, well if he gets 20 goals next season I'll apologise. Just a gut feeling FFS. I've nothing to base it on, that's why I'm not manager of BFC. Shall I not state any reservations on any potential signings in the future Kev?
Riordan on the other hand is a more recognisable name, that's all I'm saying.
Riordan on the other hand is a more recognisable name, that's all I'm saying.
Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: Longsiders1882® (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:12:24:23
I understand what you are saying LC, I'm sure we all have reservations but this has to be the way forward IMHO - rather this sort of risk than get in a seasoned journey man for me
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Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: LightcliffeClaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:12:29:49
Yes reservations, that's all Kev. Can't be doing with these people who give it the "Oooh, how many times have you seen him play?", "Oooh what do you base that statement on?"
The fact is I haven't heard of him and I have of Riordan, and I had heard of Nugent when he was at Bury becuase people have been raving about him.
The only people I've heard raving about Paterson are Coyle, the Norwich boss (big deal), and some random folk online from relegated Scunthorpe.
I'd much rather trust the judgement of supporters of Hibernian (much bigger club than Scunny), and the powers that be (other than Strachan currently) at Glasgow Celtic.
The fact is I haven't heard of him and I have of Riordan, and I had heard of Nugent when he was at Bury becuase people have been raving about him.
The only people I've heard raving about Paterson are Coyle, the Norwich boss (big deal), and some random folk online from relegated Scunthorpe.
I'd much rather trust the judgement of supporters of Hibernian (much bigger club than Scunny), and the powers that be (other than Strachan currently) at Glasgow Celtic.
Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: Claret Kev (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:12:34:44
'I'd much rather trust the judgement of supporters of Hibernian (much bigger club than Scunny), and the powers that be (other than Strachan currently) at Glasgow Celtic.'
He's not even playing at Celtic and Hibs are hardly a major force in the brilliant scottish premier league.
He's not even playing at Celtic and Hibs are hardly a major force in the brilliant scottish premier league.
Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: LightcliffeClaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:12:39:01
There must have been something in him for him to be signed by Glasgow Celtic. Hibs are a bigger club than Scunthorpe.
I would rather Riordan, and I haven't seen much of either of them.
I would rather Riordan, and I haven't seen much of either of them.
Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: ManHug (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:12:59:34
Id rather have Paterson but would like both... and for us to sell Kyle.
Id pay a max of £1.25M for Paterson and £700K for Riorden.
Id pay a max of £1.25M for Paterson and £700K for Riorden.
Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: bordeauxclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:13:12:06
Let's get him signed.
None of us can know if he will be a success or not, but that applies to every signing. The manager obviously thinks he's good enough and what else can we ask for ? It's his job to identify and sign players he thinks will improve the team, no point worrying now that he's trying to do just that, that's what we pay him for after all, isn't it ?
There's only one way we're ever going to find out if Coyle knows what he's doing in the transfer market, give him some money and let him spend it, then we'll see.
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None of us can know if he will be a success or not, but that applies to every signing. The manager obviously thinks he's good enough and what else can we ask for ? It's his job to identify and sign players he thinks will improve the team, no point worrying now that he's trying to do just that, that's what we pay him for after all, isn't it ?
There's only one way we're ever going to find out if Coyle knows what he's doing in the transfer market, give him some money and let him spend it, then we'll see.
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Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: Robert Kilroy Silk (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:13:35:36
i like to see ambition and buy young up and coming players. but to spend £1m on a player, i would have liked to have seen him do it at this level for two years at least OR done an exceptional job a la maclean at peterboro.
all this 'he did well at a struggling club' dont wash with me. there must be a reason why he played for a struggling club.
all this 'he did well at a struggling club' dont wash with me. there must be a reason why he played for a struggling club.
Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: Longsiders1882® (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:13:37:34
So you want us to sign somebody who has done well at this level for 2 years?
Can you honestly see us paying 3-4 million, because thats what these players cost.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.-John Quincy Adams
Can you honestly see us paying 3-4 million, because thats what these players cost.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.-
Re: New Bid For Paterson
Posted by: The Collector (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:14:21:08
Kev, you are sounding more & more like ** every day!
Are you ready to step up to the plate yet?
Have you got what it takes to take over THE position? or just his `right hand man` 
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Re: New Bid For Paterson (turned Down)
Posted by: LightcliffeClaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:15:04:51
Re: New Bid For Paterson (turned Down)
Posted by: Turfite (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:15:05:05
The Clarets offered £450,000 up front for the 21-year-old, with £50,000 after 30 appearances and another £50,000 once he had played 60 games
see link at fist thread
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see link at fist thread
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Re: New Bid For Paterson (turned Down)
Posted by: theultimatewarrior (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:15:06:12
Its been rejected quickly, we're obviously miles away from their valuation.
Re: New Bid For Paterson (turned Down)
Posted by: LightcliffeClaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:15:17:04
Sounds very much like the Blake and Akinbiyi situations this, with Scunthorpe almost inviting a third bid.
Re: New Bid For Paterson (turned Down)
Posted by: Longsiders1882® (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:15:18:55
What is that background on their offish site all about?
I agree LC - I reckon they are looking for more rather than not wanting to sell
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.-John Quincy Adams
I agree LC - I reckon they are looking for more rather than not wanting to sell
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Re: New Bid For Paterson (turned Down)
Posted by: agreenwoodbfc (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:15:26:49
If we go in with a third bid, hopefully it won't be too much more and we'd walk away if they were looking for nearer £1m.
He might turn out to be a great player, but on paper he doesn't appear to be a player you'd want to be paying too much more than £500k for. The Scunthorpe fans aren't exactly glowing about him and seem content with the £500k mark if you take a look at their mb.
He might turn out to be a great player, but on paper he doesn't appear to be a player you'd want to be paying too much more than £500k for. The Scunthorpe fans aren't exactly glowing about him and seem content with the £500k mark if you take a look at their mb.
Re: New Bid For Paterson (turned Down)
Posted by: LightcliffeClaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:15:31:51
Looking at his stats, it looks like he scores in spurts.
Re: New Bid For Paterson (turned Down)
Posted by: bordeauxclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:15:37:29
I suppose, playing for Scunny, it's a miracle he's been scoring at all.
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Re: New Bid For Paterson (turned Down)
Posted by: The Collector (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:15:39:05
Do his stats show whether he's scored while a lone-striker, or with a partner, up front?
Re: New Bid For Paterson (turned Down)
Posted by: LightcliffeClaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:15:48:48
Unfortunately not.
Re: New Bid For Paterson (turned Down)
Posted by: theultimatewarrior (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:15:52:16
Just seen the comments about him, would be very worried if we offered anymore money for him.
Re: Paterson Update
Posted by: PlymouthClaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:15:55:23
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Re: Paterson Update
Posted by: The Collector (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:15:56:24
(not that i'm saying he's worth more than OC reckons)
But if they're pulling rival bids in, we are sure to miss out.
But if they're pulling rival bids in, we are sure to miss out.
Re: Paterson Update
Posted by: fred dibnah (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:17:12:35
Well it certainly makes things a bit easier for other clubs with rival bids, with these offers being out in the open.
Didn't Coyle say his transfer dealing will be done in private (or words to that effect) ?
Didn't Coyle say his transfer dealing will be done in private (or words to that effect) ?
Re: Paterson Update
Posted by: PlymouthClaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:17:14:04
Looks like Scunthorpe are the ones making these deals public. At no point have Burnley mentioned specifics with regards these offers.
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Re: Paterson Update
Posted by: Longsiders1882® (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:17:40:30
On the Scunthorpe Mad board they are suggesting he is offside a lot, hasn't scored much since christmas etc etc.
Though its only a few on there they don't sound devastated at the prospect of losing him
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Though its only a few on there they don't sound devastated at the prospect of losing him
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.-
Re: Paterson Update
Posted by: LightcliffeClaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:17:51:56
We need to try and find a Scunthorpe board that's busy.
I'll get to it.
I'll get to it.
2nd bid rejected
Posted by: kezm (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:21:49:24
acording to sky sports on patterson
Re: 2nd bid rejected
Posted by: CLARET_MOV™ (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:21:51:25
GOOD........A HALF SEASON WONDER AT BEST, AND HE'S TO SMALL FOR A STRIKER
D-O-B 10-May-1987
P-O-B Tunstall, England
Height 5'9
Weight 11st 5lbs
Club Scunthorpe
Position Forward.........SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER IAN MOORE
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D-O-B 10-May-1987
P-O-B Tunstall, England
Height 5'9
Weight 11st 5lbs
Club Scunthorpe
Position Forward.........SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER IAN MOORE
NAPS TABLE DIVISION 2 CHAMPION 07/08
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Re: 2nd bid rejected
Posted by: LightcliffeClaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:06:34:52
Come on Kev, are you going to ask him what he's basing that on?
Re: 2nd bid rejected
Posted by: bordeauxclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:07:39:12
Quote:HE'S TO SMALL FOR A STRIKER
Martin Paterson, 5ft 9ins, 11st 5lbs
Michael Owen, 5ft 9ins, 11st 2lbs
Andy (Andrew) Johnson, 5ft 9ins, 9st 7lbs
Andy Payton, 5ft 9ins, 11st 13lbs
Two of the best strikers I've ever seen were also around that size, Jimmy Greaves and Kenny Dalglish.
If you're good enough, you're big enough.
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Re: 2nd bid rejected
Posted by: theultimatewarrior (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:07:40:28
What ratio of success is that then BC?
4 strikers in the last 40 years, think its safe to say keep away on that analysis.
4 strikers in the last 40 years, think its safe to say keep away on that analysis.
Re: 2nd bid rejected
Posted by: agreenwoodbfc (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:07:42:21
Is Owen really 5ft 9ins?
Re: 2nd bid rejected
Posted by: bordeauxclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:07:46:01
They're just off the top of my head TUW, there are many more I'm sure, but I can't be arsed to search them out just to disprove the ludicrous idea that a striker can't be any use because he's only 5ft 9ins.
Just two more though off the top of my head. Gerd Muller and Maradonna were both vertically challenged but it never stopped them putting the ball into the back of England's net, did it ?
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Just two more though off the top of my head. Gerd Muller and Maradonna were both vertically challenged but it never stopped them putting the ball into the back of England's net, did it ?
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Re: 2nd bid rejected
Posted by: bordeauxclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:07:48:18
According to the PFA stats Owen is 5ft 9ins, according to Soccerbase he's 5ft 8ins.
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Re: 2nd bid rejected
Posted by: theultimatewarrior (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:07:51:50
All of the players mentioned though were quick, over a couple of yards or a longer distance.
I'm struggling to think of any small striker who is quality with being quick or skillfull.
I'm struggling to think of any small striker who is quality with being quick or skillfull.
Re: 2nd bid rejected
Posted by: bordeauxclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:08:18:18
The only thing that matters with a striker is surely whether he can score goals or not. Many of the best strikers have been on the small side, Ian St John and Franny Lee are two more.
Being 5ft 9ins isn't going to stop Paterson scoring goals, whether he's good enough is another matter, but his height is irrelevant imo, except of course when considering what sort of strike partner to play with him.
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Being 5ft 9ins isn't going to stop Paterson scoring goals, whether he's good enough is another matter, but his height is irrelevant imo, except of course when considering what sort of strike partner to play with him.
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Re: 2nd bid rejected
Posted by: warnie (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:09:02:47
The number of times we are having bids rejected is a little worrying. Lets hope for some better news soon.
Re: 2nd bid rejected
Posted by: Turfite (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:10:37:02
here we go again, The player hasn't even signed for us and some supporters are already slating the guy
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Re: 2nd bid rejected
Posted by: ManHug (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:12:25:45
Nothing wrong with short players, looking at his weight he must have a bit of fight in him, Ian Moore was about a stone lighter I think.
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