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Triple Impact for Arbitration
By Rich Baggott April 27 2008
With the results of the Arbitration hearing only days away, this weekends fixtures saw major changes at the top of League 1 that means three teams are now vying for that vital second spot that carries automatic promotion back to the Championship. Until recently, it seemed a two horse race with Swansea and Carlise some distance clear.

On recent results, the landscape at the top has changed.  The Cumbrian club have slipped up of late, picking up only 1 point out the last possible 12, opening the way for both Nottingham Forest and Doncaster to be in a position to claim the last spot with one game to go.

The current League table shows that Doncaster have now taken second place with Forest in third on goal difference, but with just one point separating the three teams, all three could still claim the final automatic promotion place;

 TeamPGDPTS
1Swansea453989
2Doncaster452580
3Nottm Forest453179
4Carlisle451879
5Southend451575
6Leeds453373

Leeds' victory over Yeovil on Friday was enough to guarantee them a place in the League 1 play-off's and on the current table will finish either 5th or 6th, however before Leeds take on Gillingham next Saturday, there is a small matter of Leeds Uniteds appeal to overturn the 15 point deduction imposed on them by the Football League at the start of the season.

That decision is due by 1st May and could change the top of the table dramatically;

 

 TeamPGDPTS
1Swansea453989
2Leeds453388
3Doncaster452580
4Nottm Forest453179
5Carlisle451879
6Southend451575

A decision in Leeds' favour will cause a major problem for the Football League who potentially will see action and argument from three clubs now that could lose out.  Irrespective of results next weekend, all three are bound to argue that the impact from any announcements just a few days before their final games will hamper their preparation and approach to the game.

Rumours are circulating on the Internet that the League could be looking to compensate any teams affected by the result, and there is even suggestion of increasing the number of automatic promotion places, although how this could affect the play-offs in unknown.

Of course, the result of Arbitration has yet to be announced, suffice to say that if the result does go in Leeds' favour, the results in League 1 could not have gone worse for the Football League.

Authors Comment

It is fair to sympathise with the plight of other clubs affected by the effort of Leeds United to overturn the 15 point deduction, but it is being made all the more difficult to show any empathy with the conduct of certain Chairmen, Managers and fans during this time.  Nobody knows better than Leeds fans how this degree of uncertainty, and delays to important decision can impact on all matters relating to our club.  We've been living with this for 10 months now - everyone else has had it for a few weeks.

What people fail to realise (or refuse to appreciate) is that Leeds United have ALWAYS maintained the decision was illegal and felt they had acted in the rules on the Football League. They asked for Arbitration only a few months in to the season, a situation every other club in the League was aware of - none of them stepped up to help.

We went to the FA, who just distanced themselves from these matters - we've been trying to get the Football League to sort this out from day one.

In the end we served a High Court order due to their refusal to listen to us, and eventually, on the final day they had to respond to the Court Order, they offered Arbitration - leading to yet more delays.The only reason we all find ourselves just 6 days from the end of the season with this still unresolved in because of the approach of the Football League, nothing to do with Leeds United.

So should we have taken our punishment and just walked away?  No!  The Club feels very strongly that what the Football League did was illegal - it always has and Arbitration will decide once and for all whether we have a point.  IF it is found in our favour, then we have done a service to all clubs, in all Leagues in standing up to the Governing Body and winning a battle for all of us.  You need no further proof than to look at the bottom of League 1 right now at Luton and Bournemouth!

One key point is all of this is that Leeds did not get a CVA in place as HMRC wanted to take the matter to Court.  They disputed that KPMG were going to pay all footballing debts in full and then anything left from CVA amount would go to other creditors (inc. HMRC) - Why?  Because League rules say so!  HMRC were taking Leeds to court for try to obey the League rules?  HMRC have said they will do the same with every other Administration case involving a Football Club.

Is the Leeds Arbitration thing a farce?  Yes, you got it in one - welcome to our world!

Oh and one final point – the 15 points we are looking for – they are ours, we did win them, we are not just being given them!

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Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: whitey71 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:08:01:49

(Sm128) hear hear (Sm152)smoking smiley

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Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: Ian Baird 1-0 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:08:21:16

Well worded and couldn't agree more. Although I am cocerned that we are agreeing too much lately Rich!

Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: The Trav (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:09:10:50

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Oh and one final point – the 15 points we are looking for – they are ours, we did win them, we are not just being given them!

So other clubs involved should just shut up and try to earn points of their own

In the event we don't get our points back, come on forest

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Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: mick (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:09:24:58

you should post this brilliant article to all club websites and media. mick

Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: warringtonwhite (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:09:30:37

a good summation of the situation that I'm impressed


but i think you could of said it in two sentences

the football league cheated Leeds united

give us our points back you cheating bar-stewards

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Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: Lord Buckethead (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:09:31:38

Spot on.

Sums up what has been the main illusion most people seem to be under: That we are appealing against the severity of the sentence not the principle that the football league had no right to punish us at all.

This is why talk of giving a proportion of the points back is so annoying.
If you sentence somebody to hang and then find out they are in fact completely innocent, you don't give them 20 years instead!

Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: kiwipete (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:09:31:46

top post mate-you are our voice-i applaud you(Sm152)

all the frenzy on other sites is being whipped up by media articles spawned from comments from certain chairmen and football know alls-we will have the last laugh-im certain(Sm122)

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Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: lee-ds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:09:46:30

Excellent article yet again Fids!

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Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: Sprake (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:09:52:27

Yes brilliant article, but what is you honest opinion on the resault. What if anything will we get.

Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: lee-ds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:10:02:23

all 15 Sprake,

we acted illegally or we didn't!

seems like the FL's plan to wait and see
how league one pans out has turned around
and bit them on the Ass! hehehe

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Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: SA (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:10:09:42

Post of the Year mate smiling smiley

We've been living with this for 10 months now - everyone else has had it for a few weeks.

Quote of the Year as well smiling smiley

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Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: leedsnproud (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:10:15:40

only one thing worries me could the FL refuse to implement,the ruling if it goes in our favour,and ignore the Arbitration ruling.

Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: Lef (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:10:19:38

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One key point is all of this is that Leeds did not get a CVA in place as HMRC wanted to take the matter to Court. They disputed that KPMG were going to pay all footballing debts in full and then anything left from CVA amount would go to other creditors (inc. HMRC) - Why? Because League rules say so! HMRC were taking Leeds to court for try to obey the League rules? HMRC have said they will do the same with every other Administration case involving a Football Club.

I never thought of it like this.

Best article i've ever read about Leeds United, bar none. Truly superb.

Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: Wocko (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:10:42:36

Good post....

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Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: Zandra LaPoI (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:12:08:08

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only one thing worries me could the FL refuse to implement,the ruling if it goes in our favour,and ignore the Arbitration ruling.

Damn good question LNP, anyone with a legal mind know the answer?

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Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: Rui Rui Rui (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:12:08:17

Really well put together post Fids.

You also hit the nail on the head that they are our points. Other clubs are implying that its an 'unfair advantage' us getting back 15 points - we won them fair and square on a football pitch.

Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: Russ LUFC (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:12:36:22

cant read it!!! where is it?

Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: Robbie11 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:13:06:26

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leedsnproud
only one thing worries me could the FL refuse to implement,the ruling if it goes in our favour,and ignore the Arbitration ruling.

I dont think they can ignore it, and could imagine the legal battle that would ensue if they did. Bates would hav a field day in court with them, suing them for millions.

Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: Rui Rui Rui (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:13:09:28

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Zandra LaPoI
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leedsnproud
only one thing worries me could the FL refuse to implement,the ruling if it goes in our favour,and ignore the Arbitration ruling.

Damn good question LNP, anyone with a legal mind know the answer?

The fundimental principle of arbitration is that it is legally binding for both parties as a way of resolving a dispute. I don't know if there is a futher appeals process after the decision but I doubt it as both parties have already agreed to abide by the decision.

Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: Aquatic Fanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:13:13:32

Great post fids

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Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: Rui Rui Rui (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:13:20:25

Following on from the points on whether the FL will abide by the decision, there can only be a variation for the decision i.e. an appeal if that was agreed in advance as part of the process. Given the circumstances in the case I don't think either party would want scope for the other to get out of it so it should be a full and final decision.

The decision may need to be filed thought a court process if that was the agreed process as set up, but this should be a formality if required at all.

Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: Alex Sabella (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:13:49:46

top post(Sm128)

what i dont think other clubs/fans/any leeds haters realise is that KB would have taken action even if we would have been mid table without a chance of a playoff/auto promotion place.

its the principle of the thing

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Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: Lef (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:14:14:35

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Rui Rui Rui
Quote:
Zandra LaPoI
Quote:
leedsnproud
only one thing worries me could the FL refuse to implement,the ruling if it goes in our favour,and ignore the Arbitration ruling.

Damn good question LNP, anyone with a legal mind know the answer?

The fundimental principle of arbitration is that it is legally binding for both parties as a way of resolving a dispute. I don't know if there is a futher appeals process after the decision but I doubt it as both parties have already agreed to abide by the decision.

I'm pretty sure, if the arbitration finds against Leeds, it will go to the high courts, unless a very good reason is given by the arbitration panel for Bates not to pursue it any further.

Both sides have agreed to abide by the arbitration hearing but there's nothing stopping Leeds or even Donny/Carlisle/Forest taking further legal action, if they wish.

Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: bigsighleeds (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:16:32:13

remember that 70%+ of the other clubs voted in favour of us receiving the points deduction, if they had've abstained then the points thing would never have happened and they wouldn't be crying now!

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Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: Sniffer Clarke (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:17:25:07

Excellent post fids....

Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: sheepshead (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:27:21:00:03

awesome post ,lets hope we get what we rightly deserve,our 15 points back.

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Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
Posted by: ralphr (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:28:05:39:27

Great post fids.

Amongst some of the guys at the pub, who say that we shouldn't receive any "points back", none of them has grasped the true fault behind the deduction, & they are to blinkered to listen to the real reason behind our case.

Obviously they are not LUFC fans.

Ralph

Re: Triple Impact for Arbitration
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Date: 2008:04:28:06:53:44

Thanks for the info Fids i hope it comes out OK......
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