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Champions League draw sparks bitter memories of 2008 trouble

Rangers fans
By Chris,
August 29 2010
The 'United are going to Glasgow' chant returned on Saturday evening as the travelling Red Army look ahead to a Champions League visit to Ibrox. Former United assistant Walter Smith will get the opportunity to pit his wits against Sir Alex Ferguson – but the media are already reminding the public of the shameful behaviour of many Rangers followers during their most recent visit to Manchester.

Thousands of Rangers fans descended on Manchester in 2008 as the Glaswegian giants played Zenit St Petersburg in the Uefa Cup final, played at Eastlands.

As Rangers crashed to a disappointing 2-0 defeat, hundreds of supporters fought running battles with the Police as violence and mayhem swept areas of the city.

A repeat of the ugly scenes of September 14 is highly unlikely - but Glasgow Rangers have already told supporters who don't have tickets not to travel to the North West with the media quick to re-print reports of the 2008 violence following this year's Champions League group stage draw.

Martin Bain, chief executive at Ibrox, has said: "We want to make it clear that any Rangers fan, apart from travel club members who will be allocated tickets, should not travel to Manchester. Our supporters' groups are fully behind the club on this issue".

A spokesman for the Rangers Supporters' Assembly has said that fan groups are desperate to see the "regrettable scenes of 2008 consigned to the past".

Many United fans remain bitter at the consequences of the 2008 crowd trouble. Shortly after the Uefa Cup final, United won the Champions League with a jaw-dropping penalty shoot-out triumph over Chelsea in Moscow.

The Red Devils, however, were subsequently denied the opportunity to hold a celebratory parade through the city to parade 'Ol Big Ears. Manchester City Council postponed plans to hold a parade and admitted that the behaviour of Rangers fans was a factor in the decision.

The Council had already decided to abandon plans for the all-English Champions League final to be shown on big screens around the city. The Council leader announced that it would be unfair on local businesses and residents who had already been heavily disrupted by the trouble caused by some Rangers fans.

It should be remembered that Rangers have some of the world's most passionate supporters – and that it was a minority that caused such damage to the city of Manchester little over two years ago.

However, memories of the trouble and what followed means many United fans will be looking for the likes of Wayne Rooney, Dimitar Berbatov and Paul Scholes to produce a star-studded display to secure a hefty United win in the Champions League's latest Battle of Britain.

Rangers have enjoyed an excellent start to the SPL campaign. Pre-season friendly wins over Blackburn Rovers and Newcastle have been followed with league wins over Kilmarnock, Hibernian and St.Johnstone.

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Champions League draw sparks bitter memories of 2008 trouble
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Date: 28/08/2010 23:48

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Re: Champions League draw sparks bitter memories of 2008 trouble
Posted by: milleniumman (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 00:00

I believe there's a pretty major error in this article

"It should be remembered that Rangers have some of the world's most passionate supporters – and that it was a majority that caused such damage to the city of Manchester little over two years ago."

Might want to change that to minority winking smiley

Re: Champions League draw sparks bitter memories of 2008 trouble
Posted by: Blue Connection UK (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 09:32

Poor effort of an article imo.

Thousands of Rangers fans ?

An estimated 150 thousand.

Majority of fans who caused trouble ?

An estimated 0.021% of fans were involved in incidents with the GMP.

Like most Rangers fans, I was disturbed to see what happened unfold that night, but to try and tarnish every Rangers fan as a thug is equally disturbing. The local council and GMP were not prepared for the vast amounts of fans that descended on Manchester that day.

Re: Champions League draw sparks bitter memories of 2008 trouble
Posted by: solomon brian (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 11:01

i just think United has got many chances of winning ore especially in the chamions league(Sm110)

Re: Champions League draw sparks bitter memories of 2008 trouble
Posted by: TheQueensXI (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 19:38

Firstly, it wasnt a "majority" as you so proudly state. If the "majority" of fans were rioting then you would need the army to take over Manchester and restore order given the sheer numbers.

We arrived in Manchester in 2008 with the biggest travelling support football has ever seen, eclipsing the numbers of Celtic fans who travelled to Seville.

It was estimated that 4-5% of the population of Scotland arrived that day to play a part in the atmosphere. There was always going to be trouble at some point, you dont have enough fans to fill COMS and Old Trafford twice over and not expect something to happen.

While I make no effort to defend the idiots who caused trouble there, i do wish to point out that the fault was not with Rangers fans. In fact the rioting could have been avoided if:

1. Stewards did not abandon their posts leaving the fan zones a free-for-all, resulting in security fears and the following point.
2. Manchester Council should not have demanded the screens be switched off. Which DID happen, use google and find that out. But if the area was stewarded properly they would never have had to.
3. Riot police should not have gone into the fan zone surrounding tens of thousands of spectators using violence to pen them in like animals. Riot police shouldn't have been anywhere near it.
4. Manchester council SHOULD have had ALL their possible areas for fans across the city available for use.
5. Opening Old Trafford and using large screens there would have taken up to 1/4 of fans off the streets also. A no-brainer in my opinion.
6. Ordering taxi companies not to pick up Scots and removing all buses and trains left the city packed with people with nowhere to go. It took me 6 hours to get a taxi to Oldham, after the @#$%& driver only agreed a 400% fare hike.

Put simply, Manchester Council and the police should have prepared better for the event and it would have gone far better. Telling fans not to travel when it was obvious half of Glasgow was heading south then hastily setting up fan zones with not enough stewards, no stewards controlling fan zone attendance (which led to the screens being shut off and people being battered by police, sparking the riot), proving toilets, litter bins (sorry but the bog-standard bins aint going to cut it) and places to go and things to do, things may have turned out differently.

Instead there was close to 200-250,000 people with nowhere to go, no way of going anywhere and stuck in a city with violent rioters and police - its the worst event ive ever attended.

Pre-match the atmosphere was amazing, there is no doubt about it.

But before you start writing amateur articles blaming "the majority" of Rangers fans for rioting, have a look closer to home for the reason things were allowed to get so out of hand.

Last time Man Utd came to Glasgow the city was completely covered by the police, hooligan elements were snuffed out right away and few suffered trouble.

Our police can easily handle an Old Firm derby 4 times a year, yet Manchester can't handle a European final?

A few hundred caused trouble, not 100,000+. Please learn to investigate articles before you write them.

I look forward to the match, we will probably get humped but i hope the people of Manchester remember that it was the majority of people who behaved and had an excellent day and we thank the people of Manchester for their hospitality that day and for getting behind us.

Just dont blame us for the riots, you seem to know @#$%& all about them besides what you want to read.

WATP Rule Britannia

Re: Champions League draw sparks bitter memories of 2008 trouble
Posted by: Editor_Chris (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 20:16

Queen's XI, thanks for your post - but quite clearly that was a typo as the context of the sentence suggested. It has now been edited to the minority. The sentence itself even says at the beginning "it should be remembered that Rangers have some of the world's most passionate supporters".

I know that the vast majority of Rangers fans travelled to Manchester to enjoy the occasion - and that the atmosphere in some quarters was excellent. Sadly, a minority caused problems that, as the article states, the media continue to drag back up all the time.

The article highlights that the media is to blame for blowing up the issue and praises many Rangers fans. Sadly, a minority tainted the occasion for all which had unfortunate consequences for United supporters in the weeks that followed. That is sure to give this year's game an extra edge - though hopefully that'll all be kept on the pitch and an electric atmosphere will be on show from 76,000 well behaved supporters.

Fair points?

Re: Champions League draw sparks bitter memories of 2008 trouble
Posted by: Briansmurph (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 21:34

Poor ol Rangers fans seem very touchy and defensive over their disgraceful behaviour on their little holiday to civilization.

Cmon down again and get a proper a$$ whooping on the field, just try not to take it out on the city eh?



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Re: Champions League draw sparks bitter memories of 2008 trouble
Posted by: youngdevil (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2010 03:30

minority, majority they r rangers fans none the less. And these people are thugs imo

Re: Champions League draw sparks bitter memories of 2008 trouble
Posted by: mark mooney (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2010 05:30

mark mooney
I was in Manchester with my fiancee kelly that day. we had a fantastic day. 200,000 gers fans enjoying the city and a wee dram or two. lets get this trouble into perspective, there was no trouble until certain failings by manchester city council. That all told does not excuse any violence and my condolescence goes out to any party that was injured that day. lets get behind our great team and hopefully we can qualify from this tough group.

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