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Let's keep all the opinions etc ob this thread as I can see this one getting out of control.

So, my view on it (for what it's worth)...

Right I couldn't watch the match live as I was at work and missed it. I caught a glimpse of the BBC Live Vidifeed thing and the person on that was literally in hysterics about what had happened.
Like I said, all I knew was that Henry had handled the ball and that Ireland were "robbed".

So after looking at it more, as well as the interview from Henry and his full-time chat with Dunne, he clearly cheated, FACT.
However, that's not the part that kills me. If he had said that he did it on instinct, and that when the goal was given he a) didn't celebrate or b) went and spoke to the ref I would feel less passionate as I have a lot of respect for Henry.

However, he celebrated - and that's the bit that kills me. His "talk" with Dunne at the end was ridiculous and he knows he has to live with what happend. I have lost a lot of respect for a player I thought was quite honest within the game.

BUT, Ireland didn't finish the game. The team do have to take that into consideration. They had chances but at the end of the day they are to blame for not going on to the finals, they should have been able to finish a very poor French side.

I think that's my opinion sorted (I also think within the build-up to the actual finals Henry will come out and say how sorry he is etc etc etc).

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I was desperate for the Irish win and was furious with Henry and the French at the time.

However, looking back I do think the media reaction is a little hysterical.

Calls for a re-match are ridiculous. Henry clearly broke the laws of the game - but the referee or the linesmen didn't see it. This happens all the time in football, and it was just so cruel it happened to Ireland on Wednesday evening.

Not many professional footballers - probably none, in fact - would have run over to the referee and confessed his immediate guilt, particularly considering the magnitude of the game. His celebrations were perhaps a bit much, and his apparent smugness at the end, but it's the officials who were at fault primarily for missing something pretty obvious, even in the fast-paced heat of the moment.

Unlucky Ireland.
A superb display for the majority of the game - if only Keane had buried that one-on-one, or O'Shea chance had fallen to just about anyone but O'Shea!

Sorry lads, Irish red and brian .
Horrible way to miss out.
Who still object to TV replays? As long as it managed properly its long overdue.

Also given the instant copllective reaction by every single Irish player in the box and especially Given who went nuts how could the ref not think wait up here, somethings not right. Within 10 seconds the 4th official with access to a replay wouldve said its not a goal. Whats the point in earphones when they are next to useless. Its a miracle this manual system persists in this day an age when the refs semm to be either blind or retarded.

As contriversal as it may sound - I for one don't want to see the instant reply technology brought in.

Incidents like these seperate this sports from all the ref's and prove that at the end of the day human error is amongst everyone, no matter how highly paid or watched/respected.

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Cheers lads for the good feelings and well wishes for us lot.

Here's my tuppence worth for all the use it will do.

We had more than enough chances throughout a game, in which we completely dominated the French national side. A side which boasted the likes of Gallas, Henry, Anelka etc etc the list goes on. We created a bag full of chances, and if Duff had a right foot, O'Shea a half decent shot, or we Doyle knew how to head the fkn ball towards the goal after a peach of a cross and not just when it drops out of the sky, we would have clattered em. But we didnt. We missed too many gilt edged chances and failed to put them away. 90 minutes is all we needed on that performance.

BUT it didnt happen and we proceeded to extra time. Tired after all the effort. Licking our wounds somewhat that we hadn't taken the chance. Then it happened....

A ball floated in, over Paul McW@#$%&'s head and Thierry Henry thought he was playing basketball. TWICE he handled the ball, in plain view of everyone in the world. But it was not pulled up. Why would it be? FIFA got their wish's and we got nothing.

I'm bitter. Yes, he's a cheating cnut and i now hate him. But thats life eh?

The thing is, i have no problem with video refs at all. Actually i think it is necessary to stop this rubbish happening. Just imagine if this had happened to England, or indeed France, or Spain?

It happened to a "lesser footballing nation" that FIFA didnt want there in the first place.

Total load of bollocks and i am heartbroken.

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I can't wait to hear what Platini has to say, he'll be full of s.hit as always. But if it was the other way around the Irish would have been kicked out the World Cup and suspended for 10 years.

I think the reaction is over the top though. He cheated, of course he did. The ref could do nothing about it, he couldn't see it and although he could have gone by the players reactions its not the way to ref. If it was the other way around and it was Robbie Keane who done it there would have been none of this. Its the way the cookie crumbles unfortunately. It doesn't make it right and it Henry's still a dirty cheating scumbag but its football. Ironic that an official behind the goal would have spotted it though...

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If the ref didnt see the handball then there is no way in hell that the linesmen didnt see the two players in offside positions.

What's the difference between the Ireland/France match getting replayed and this one which was replayed:

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FIFA confirmed today that the result of the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany™ qualifying match between Uzbekistan and Bahrain on 3 September 2005 has been declared invalid and must be replayed. In order to respect the drawn order of the matches, the first leg is to be replayed in Uzbekistan on 8 October 2005, with the second leg match to be rescheduled for 12 October 2005 in Bahrain.

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Keano sums up well today, as he always does

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It's just so sickening. Two offsides and two handballs and they still allowed it.

I genuinely am heartbroken beyond belief. It feels like someone has reached into my chest and ripped it out. That someone, be in Henry, FIFA, the officials, i hope they rot in hell.

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Im gonna have my opinion on it all now and if anyone has a problem with it then thats up to you

I would like to start off by sayin what a crock of s***e Henry hasspoken over the last 2 days

point 1. He said that he is not a cheat and that it was an instinctive reaction, really so tell me Mr. Henry, does it not say in the rules of football that you cannot use your hand or arm to control the ball in any way?

by his logic here, he is saying that his instinct was to deliberately break the rules in order to gain advantage, therefore he is a cheat

point 2. No it wouldnt be the fairest option to replay the game because if that was the case we have to go back years and replay all matches that had contreversial decisions decide them

example, spurs vs united old trafford, the ball crossed the line by at least 2 yards and the goal werent given and spurs were denied 3 deserved points, should that match not be replayed?

that was a linesmans error was it not?

point 3 and finally, no the irish do not deserve to be in south africa because if they did they would be. You only get what you deserve in football, what about the games that they lost in the group stages? what about the times when they had matches won then fluffed it?

the table never ever lies no matter what tournament it is in and again in this particular match Ireland were the better team and that still wasnt good enough

Im sorry if my view offends anyone but thats the way i see it, Henry is deliberately sucking up so that the press wont crucify him plain and simple

We don't deserve to be there?

We outplayed France over two games and were cheated out of progression.

Dont be such a fkn @#$%&.

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One thing I would say is that Ireland did have the chances to put this game to bed.

I'm not going to declare whether they deserved it or not becuase that is a matter of opinion. Some would say they do, some would agrue the fact that they aren't in the finals prove they don't.

Point is, it will blow over and quite frankly, I don't think this incident will force any sort of change into football in terms of technology being progressed.

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finally, no the irish do not deserve to be in south africa because if they did they would be. You only get what you deserve in football, what about the games that they lost in the group stages? what about the times when they had matches won then fluffed it?

the table never ever lies no matter what tournament it is in and again in this particular match Ireland were the better team and that still wasnt good enough

So you expected Ireland to finish first in their group and make the world cup automatically over Italy? You're probably the only one.

By your logic France definitely doesnt deserve to be in the world cup? If they did they would've finished first in a group that contained perennial world beaters such as Serbia, Austria and Romania may i add teams they failed to beat one of the two times they played and then to show that they definitely deserved to be in the world cup they cheated their way into the tournament. Dont even get me started the seedings where they could've been playing Portugal.

FIFA's seedings put them together, thats their perogative

I noticed that Briansmurph was fuming when he heard they were playing france, if both were on a level playing field (i.e both in play-off places) by your logic, does that not mean they have an equal chance?

Ireland wasted opportunities in both legs and in all honesty should have buried France before the first game was over, but they didnt, because they lacked the quality end of story

Although I 100% DO NOT condone Henry's blatent cheating, France had an opportunity with which they took regardless of the circumstances

Its like Roy Keane, Yours and our legend of football, said, the irish cost themselves their place in the world cup

You let a ball bounce in the box then theres always opportunity, you dont put clear cut chances away then your gonna pay

Face it Ireland dont belong in the world cup because they dont deserve to be there. The best teams take their chances, win their games and get in there...Ireland didnt

The "best" team needed a double offside and double hand ball to progress.

We did fantastically well in the group we were in. A group we were never going to top so we achieved what was achievable, the play-off place.

We outplayed France, a much better team than we are with some fantastic players and we were EXTREMELY unlucky not to bag another goal or two. We were under dogs from the outset and proved everyone wrong with our performancers.

France "took their chances" ?

So a fkn LUCKY deflection in the first game was taking their chance?

A DOUBLE HANDBALL AND A DOUBLE OFFSIDE is "taking your chances"?

You try to "prove" that Ireland do not "deserve" to be in the world cup.

So you are saying then that France DO deserve to be there. So you condone the cheating and you think that they played better, did better and SHOULD be in the World Cup. Although they were in a play off as we were, even though they got UNBELIEVABLE LUCK, even though they CHEATED. Even though they were outplayed by a weaker team?

By my logic, your an ars€hole.

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I didnt say France played better did i numb nuts

I said France were given an opportunity and they took it, luck plays its part in all aspects of football

Referee decisions, your lack of convinction and a bit of luck sent france through.

You cant honetly say that had Henry not handled the ball and the resulting cross not turned into a goal, that you wer going through

You wasted your chances, in all honesty, a france second goal was on the cards due to irelands wastefulness in front of goal

As I said before, you dont take your chances against the big teams, you will pay. Thats why the bigger teams, in both international and club football triumph, because they have that little extra cutting edge

You said we dont DESERVE to be there. Which is a BS comment.

That is the point i am making.

And the "second french goal was coming" ?

You have a crystal ball?


I'm not saying we would definitely have gone through, but we would have had an excellent chance of doing so.

Deflection and cheating, yet they "deserve" to go through?


pfffffffffffft

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FFS you dont know what your on about

In football you only get what you deserve

tell me where I said France deserved it? then think about what it means when you dont take chances you are given? I never said France should be there, i said they had an opportunity and they took it plain and simple

What about contreversial goals united have been given in the past? we hold our hands up and admit that it happens.

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Face it Ireland dont belong in the world cup because they dont deserve to be there. The best teams take their chances, win their games and get in there...Ireland didnt

If we didnt deserve to be there, on your comment, France did.

Your an idiot. I have no more time for you. I have no idea how you can say we didnt deserve to be there. We did fantastic in the group stages, with an average squad. Jesus we have VERY few actually quality players and look at our performances etc vs France, Italy etc. Give me a break ffs.

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...and you didnt

look at the chances you had in both games vs france

You wer poor in front of goal and should have buried the tie before the first leg was over

the teams that take there chances go through, your team wasnt good enough just face it

You even said it yourself, your team has few quality players and its because of that, you were knocked out. France had one chance each in either game and they took it, you had numerous chances

It's very harsh on the Irish, and I can see why their fans feel robbed. But still, the French supporters get robbed all the time, look at this comparison on odds offered for the match, it's a wonder it's taken the Right2bet petition this long to get going, please support it

Is this thread really still going on?!?!
WOOOOOOOW!!!!

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P.s. GMRR is such a WUM when he makes a point. Ha ha.

GMRR is just a knobhead in general.

He doesnt understand it seems that a team full of AVERAGE players who did as well as they did vs ITALY and FRANCE deserve to be in the world cup.

No idea why he doesnt get it and just say, jesus lads, ye did very well and deserved that bit of luck to be there, because ye DO deserve to be there.

Not his idiotic ramblings above.

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Dont worry Brian he doesnt understand much.

He claims:

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In football you only get what you deserve

So Ireland deserved to be cheated out of a place in a tournament that is played once every four years?

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You cant honetly say that had Henry not handled the ball and the resulting cross not turned into a goal, that you wer going through

So even though the match was headed to penalties they were still going to lose definitely?

And there is more, unfortunately:

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You wasted your chances, in all honesty, a france second goal was on the cards due to irelands wastefulness in front of goal

So because Ireland couldnt score in attack, France were going to breach their defence? You obvious dont watch much football since teams can have 10-15 chances, dont score, and then score in the 90th minute, on a weekly basis.

He still hasnt stopped:

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What about contreversial goals united have been given in the past? we hold our hands up and admit that it happens.

Relevance?

Thats right, it is irrelevant but it will win you points with your friends over on the Liverpool board.

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What have we learnt from reading GMRR rambling on? That we're more stupid for the experience. I'd hate to be watching a match sitting next to him with his lack of faith or is that stupidity?

If he conducts himself a bit better instead of acting like clown when he does post then i wouldnt care.

Manutd4life

Id take note of your comments but your the kind of person who seems to believe that going on other boards gloating about our success and other teams failures is the way forward

You talk about stupidity?

Heres an idea, why dont you actually look at the statements i make rather than just the sentences

Ireland dont BELONG in the world cup because they wasted far too many chances to have it finished, I never said Ireland deserved to have such a goal scored against them but stuff like that happens in football all the time

I also never said that France were definetly gonna score, I said it was on the cards due to Ireland's wastefulness, although france did cheat, they still had the players capable of burying the chances Ireland were given, therefor the predictable outcome would have been a stronger team scoring

The relevance is that how many times has Brians club team scored contreversial goals yet his rant hasnt been so public?

a) The "ireland didnt score so France were going to" BS is ridiculous. You're no professor thats for sure. Nice formula though.

b) The "publicity of the rant" is because it cost us a place in the WORLD CUP. Not some fkn league match. Maybe weigh up the odds before making the comments you do.

You see, the actual truth of it all, when you think about it is this:

You have in the past tried to make me look foolish, only to turn the other members against you more than they already were. Not alone that, but you have concreted the opinion that you are a knobhead overall by, guess what, being a complete bell end.

Maybe rather than trying to be clever or seem intelligent (if possible) you should try showing some compassion to a country that did @#$%& WELL in a tough group, played FANTASTICALLY in the play offs and all this with a team of fckuking idiots in general with one or two exceptions.

But no, you jump on the "you didnt deserve to be there" wagon.

Let this be the end of "giving grand master nimrod attention" that this thread has turned into. I have no more time for 14 y/o boys posting drivvle on this forum while having sweaty hands.

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Id take note of your comments but your the kind of person who seems to believe that going on other boards gloating about our success and other teams failures is the way forward

Its called banter, this is a football website and we're all welcome to post on opposition boards, i dont mean the majority of sh!te i write. But if you feel the need to come to the rescue of your Liverpool buddies like they're some damsel in distress then do it in your own time, otherwise i suggest you stop poking your nose in other peoples business, they dont appreciate it so its all done for nothing. No pat on the back for you.

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I never said Ireland deserved to have such a goal scored against them but stuff like that happens in football all the time

We're not talking about "all the time", quite frankly i am not concerned about all the time, neither are the Irish players and manager. You seem to think i would care about goals like that being scored weekly around the world, but what does that have to do with Ireland and their match again France?

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I also never said that France were definetly gonna score, I said it was on the cards due to Ireland's wastefulness, although france did cheat, they still had the players capable of burying the chances Ireland were given, therefor the predictable outcome would have been a stronger team scoring

Last time i checked the irish midfielders werent about to start passing the ball to france's attackers, but it was on the cards even though they didnt have many chances up til them, thanks for your wisdom.

You also said that Ireland didnt deserve to go to the world cup because of their missed chances.

So its safe to say that you dont care whenever United lose but are the better team? You didnt care when we lost the facup final against arsenal as we clearly dominated. Of course you'll try to worm your way out of that one.

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The relevance is that how many times has Brians club team scored contreversial goals yet his rant hasnt been so public?

Amazing, still barking up that tree.

Anyway, im going to take Brian's lead and not respond to anymore of your drivvle.

Brian your clearly just bitter because your team wernt good enough to polish off a shite french team

you dont belong in the world cup because you were @#$%& up front...face it and accept it, your not good enough thats why you dont deserve to be in the world cup

all the points you are making are true, you did play well in the group, you were the better team over the 2 legs but your wastefulness in front of goal cost you your spot in South Africa

You lot should have had the game buried before the first leg was over but you couldnt do that. Sometimes the better team loses

I watched both matches today, Liverpool v everton and Arsenal v Chelsea

In the the first game the better team lost because they couldnt put the ball in the net, Liverpool were presented with 2 chances and took them both, just like france

GMMR, how about all refs gang up against us (united) by ignoring all opposition cheating from now till the end of the season. Let them ignore all deliberate handballs and hacking from behind by the last man etc, so that the opposition scores or does not concede. If we dare miss any chances at the other end it obviously means we got what we deserved when we lose according to your point of view.

There is reason why every single person on this thread thinks you havent got a clue. Trust me, its not mass delusion, its you.

Redlyn

Youve just proven why what im saying is true

where did i say it was a progression thing huh? what has more than one team got to do with this? where did i say Ireland were deliberately thrown out the world cup? you no, over a period of time?

Ireland did well in the group, they didnt qualify out right which means they had no more right than any other to be in the world cup

they had to play a play-off, a play off that would decide there progression, you know, a game vs ONE!!!! team that they could have gone to the world cup had they beaten, they wasted countless F**KIN CHANCES TO BURY THE F**KIN GAME!!!!!!

they had far more chances than the french, therefore where the more attacking team and more likely to go through

BUT!!! they couldnt take these chances could they? therefore they wasted their chances

France were presented with 2 chances, 2 AND ONLY 2 chances.....and they took them....by any means necessary. Cheating is not something I condone, but if it works then theres nothing you can do about it, united have cheated to win before, as have every other team. No team in the world is all that innocent.

Ireland werent ruthless enough, they couldnt get the job done therefore they arent going to the world cup.....end of F**KING discussion

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what has more than one team got to do with this?

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united have cheated to win before, as have every other team. No team in the world is all that innocent

I suggest you not continue on as you have or else you might make yourself look really stupid, but that might be impossible at this stage.