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Is it time give Rog a chance?


By Tom Bason
July 3 2012

Has there been a more hated Wolves player in recent times than Roger Johnson? While a number of other players have had their detractors, there seems to have been an almost equal amount of supporters. Yet, Johnson has unified Wolves supporters in their disdain for the former Birmingham man, quite an achievement.

Yet, is it time to give him a chance?

The Birmingham Mail last week, through some sort of strange logic, claimed that due to Johnson's contract having a relegation wage drop clause in it, it might be more difficult to get the sort of top whack fee that we'd have been expecting, even if most Wolves fans would let him go for the cost of the petrol it takes to drive him there. Surely, given his poor season, and the reputation that now precedes him will have seen his value drastically drop anyway. It is unlikely that any club would be prepared to pay more than the £4 million Birmingham City received for him last summer.

So, I ask, is there a case for keeping him? Firstly, I don't think his performances this season have been as bad as fans have made out. Wolves’ fans at times have a tendency to make one player a scapegoat - remember the universal loathing of Christophe Berra during his first few months? There's no way he was playing particularly worse than Jody Craddock at that point, yet Craddock was lauded. I think the reputation of Johnson's performances have almost taken a life of their own. Sure, he's had some stinkers, but who hasn't? I'd guess that Player of the Season Wayne Hennessey made more mistakes leading to goals this season than Johnson has.

The main problem that has beset Johnson this season is through no fault of his own (although his dalliance with training drunk didn’t help. But, I suspect he wasn’t the first and won’t be the last Wolves player to do this. When did you last turn up for work a little worse for wear after a heavy night?). Many Wolves fans, and apparently the Wolves management seemed to see him as the missing link, the imperious defender who will answer all of our defensive problems. He was even made captain, with local boy Karl Henry demoted. Whether you agreed with this decision or not, it surely heaped the pressure onto a man yet to kick a ball in anger wearing Old Gold.

But, Johnson was never going to be this man. I wrote after his debut that forming a secure partnership was vital. It was very noticeable last season how Birmingham's defence suffered with Scott Dann's injury (another player who has failed to live up to his St. Andrews' highs); Johnson wasn't able to maintain his form without his partner alongside him. A good defence is not built on individuals - I can't remember the amount of times I've walked away from Molineux thinking that individual defenders have played well, but collectively have struggled.

For all McCarthy's experience as a defender, he was never able to forge that coherent defence that he was looking for. Even during our three Championship seasons under Mick, the defence never looked secure, exemplified by the return of Jody Craddock after his Wolves career appeared to be over as he was sent on loan to Stoke City. This lack of help from the coaching side never allowed Johnson to settle. For all their games together, he and Berra never appeared to be a team, more two individuals thrown together.

But, maybe Ståle Solbakken will be the man to organise a defence. Johnson will have a full preseason behind him, plenty of time to work on the defensive shape. Ståle will have seen all of Johnson’s Wolves performances, and may or may not think he is a defender worth persevering with. I just hope that if Ståle decides to keep him, the fans will find it within themselves to back that decision.

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Is it time give Rog a chance?
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03/07/2012 12:53
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Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
Whitmore Wolf (IP Logged)
03/07/2012 13:20
No!!

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
Tired and grumpy (IP Logged)
03/07/2012 16:36
old roger johnson has alot of work to do to win back the team and fans

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
muggle wolf (IP Logged)
03/07/2012 18:18
no chance , overated ego maniac , destroyed the dressing room , should have been sacked for turning up drunk , and the worst thing of all , never acknowledged the our supporters for paying to keeping his bentley running.
total time waster.

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
A Happy Wolf (IP Logged)
03/07/2012 18:43
I might have forgiven his mistakes on the field, I might even have forgiven his drunken escapades at Compton but what is totally unforgivable is his contemptable attitute to those who pay his wages.

Wouldn't know humble pie even it was served to him with squirty cream and cherries on top.

So to answer the question ...... it's a no from me (Sm102)

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
halesowen wolf (IP Logged)
03/07/2012 19:36
A Big NO. Get Rid ASAP



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Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
wolverina (IP Logged)
03/07/2012 21:19
We probably won't have a lot of choice because nobody in their right mind would buy him. In fact, I doubt if we could give him away.

I understand everyone has a bad patch, but you don't compound it with getting legless (especially with his legs LOL) and worst of all, giving out on Twitter (or getting your wife to do it for you!).

I would put him in the reserves - though it's a bit hard on them!

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
Stourport Wolf (IP Logged)
03/07/2012 23:51
The first serious blot on Johnson's copybook IMO was him having a go at the fans after the ironic cheering of Henry being subbed in the home Swansea game. The game during which Wolves were dire but somehow fluked a draw after said substitution - which McCarthy then milked to the maximum making out that he was a tactical genius and that all Wolves fans were complete numpties.

Johnson may have been captain but as the new boy he had not earned the respect of the fans enough for him to take critisism from him in that way. If say Jody Craddock or Karl Henry had critisized the fans in exactly the same way then the fans would probably have taken it on the chin because both those players have done their time at the club and earned the right to comment.

After that dire performances by the team and himself and long losing streaks didnt help a jot. The drunken escapade while still captain was the final nail really for fans to completely lose patience with him. I would say the relationship between Johnson and Wolves fans has now irretrievably broken down. We dont want him and he does not want to be at Molineux. If someone would pay us a million I would snap their hands off.

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
Meditate today (IP Logged)
04/07/2012 08:14
Fans and club have long since written him off - so his only way back is to impress stoller pre season - but hes such a big dope with a head to match that i have no doubt he will make a mess of it - his reputation has been trashed but no doubt there is someone prob in the championship who will take a chance if only on loan .

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
Mills Wolf (IP Logged)
04/07/2012 17:16
I might eat my words but....

i think he'll stay and become a big part of our promotion push next season, cant stand the guy, but the first 2 matches of last season showed he can be a good player, if we get the right guy along side him i think all will be forgiven once he starts puting in some good performances.

Heart say's get rid
Head say's give him a chance.

Either way i think its important we respect what Stale decided to do with him, other managers have stuck by problem players in the past and they went on to help the clubs season such as Tevez & Balotelli, but then theres also the scenario of joey barton, where we give him another cjance and he screws it up then were stuck with him !

In Stale we trust.... we must

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
wolverina (IP Logged)
04/07/2012 19:14
Yes - but Tevez and Balotelli are talented - annoying, but talented. Johnson is just annoying!

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
Cheshire wolf (IP Logged)
05/07/2012 12:27
Quote:
wolverina
Yes - but Tevez and Balotelli are talented - annoying, but talented. Johnson is just annoying!

(Sm22)

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
Mills Wolf (IP Logged)
05/07/2012 13:25
Look at it this way lads...

We have nothing to loose and everything to gain giving him a second chance to prove himself !

The first two matches he looked like we had found our c.b we had been lacking then bombed from there.

We play him first few matches, he comes good then we have our 5 million rated deffender, we play him and he's the same Roger who finnished the season then it nothing more than what we already think of him !

NOTHING TO LOOSE FOLKS, BACK HIM FOR A SECOND CHANCE, IF NOT BACK HIM, THEN BACK STALE IF HE DECIDED ITS THE THING TO DO !!!

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
wolverina (IP Logged)
05/07/2012 19:48
Of course we'll back Slåle whatever he does - until he gets it wrong! (Sm151)

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
SwissWolf (IP Logged)
05/07/2012 20:06
I'm with Mills on this one. In an ideal world The Bodge would be on his way, but Stale's coming with a fresh view, and as stated on another thread I believe we have to respect this approach.

If Stale decides Bodge is in then we have to go with it. I am keen that we start the season with a positive attitude from everyone, and that includes us supporters.

I hope we can get back to the "we shall not be moved" ideal that carried us to promotion.

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
horndeanwolf (IP Logged)
07/07/2012 11:17
Last home game when players and staff stood in and around the centre circle Johnson was noticably the only person that didnt aknowledge the fans by keeping his hands by his side. In a way, he could have redeemed himself to the fans by showing some respect-but he didnt!
No club will touch him with a barge pole,so it looks like indeed we will be stuck with him. So yes, he will be given another chance under Stale. Basically the club have no other alternative if nobody comes in for him, or he puts in a transfer request..would you if you were on 40k a week? Pre season,and friendlies should be very interesting. Im calling it `The Johnson Watch`



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Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
Mills Wolf (IP Logged)
07/07/2012 11:34
I Agree that he did show disrespect for the clubs fans but lets not forget that he hasnt been the only one.

Mick called us numpties, i can remeber Mark Mcgee giving us the finger, and im sure there have been others too.

Not excusing him for it, at the end of the day he's caused him own problems as us wolves fans are very unforgiving and always comeout of top, look where mick n mark are now lol.

But saying that were also very quick to blame someone and single out too, just look at the abuse Lee Naylor used to get for years, i can remeber the southbank used to individualy stand up and shout "@#$%& ell Naylor" one after the other.. me included, got so often is became abit of a joke to do it, funny but just shows how we can turn on one individual instead of recognising a complete failure all round and dividing the blame....

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
wolverina (IP Logged)
07/07/2012 16:15
If he come out and gets on with the job, with no fuss - and plays well, I'm sure the crowd will be supportive. But if he opens that mouth of his again, he'll get what he deserves.

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
horndeanwolf (IP Logged)
07/07/2012 17:41
Mills dont stick up for Johnson..hes done it too many times!
As Wolverina says he needs to just keep his head down,-get on with the job and ultimately play well thus showing he wants to play for us. Then, and only then can we forgive and forget.

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
Mills Wolf (IP Logged)
08/07/2012 19:11
Not stiking up for him but i do recognise that he is the best defender we have there right now and given a second chance (everyone deserves a second chance) could be key for wolves next season.

But yeah your right horndean and wolverina, he need to knuckle down and keep his mouth shut !

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
jamwolf (IP Logged)
10/07/2012 10:54
I thought Johnson was OK for us. Plus he was a threat at setpieces, and was very unlucky not to have scored at least three times with headers.

I would play him rather than give him away, as I dont think we will get better.

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
Golden Place (IP Logged)
23/07/2012 09:16
Taxi for Bodger, he has got one chance, NO CHANCE

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
A Happy Wolf (IP Logged)
23/07/2012 16:50
Not the vibe coming out of the club at the moment. If he knuckles down and does his talking in the right way looks like he may be staying.

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
petewolf (IP Logged)
25/07/2012 18:03
yes, one last chance

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
wolverina (IP Logged)
26/07/2012 09:27
Put up or shut up time!

 
Re: Is it time give Rog a chance?
halesowen wolf (IP Logged)
26/07/2012 21:54
Quote:
A Happy Wolf
Not the vibe coming out of the club at the moment. If he knuckles down and does his talking in the right way looks like he may be staying.

He wont because he is an arrogant @#$%&



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