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By Matt Sadler
August 19 2018

A difficult game to summarise and rate because so much went on. We started poorly as Chelsea battered us, completely overrunning our defence and midfield, particularly centrally and down our right side.

We found ourselves 2-0 down, but we were so, so, effective going forward, getting back into the game thanks to well worked goals from Mkhitaryan and Iwobi, and by the end of the half we genuinely should've been at least 4-2 up. As is proved time and time again, particularly in big games, you need to take your chances.

Second half we were battered for the most part, with the introductions of Kovacic and Hazard in particular changing the game. We had a brief spell after Lacazette came on, but it was brief, and Chelsea won it late on after more poor defensive play from us.

Not the result our spirited comeback deserved but there were positives to take.

A few more thoughts:

1) Bellerin needs dropping. Go back a few years and you'd have thought right back would be the one area where we'd have no worries for years to come, but he's off the boil. He has a strangely rigid body (not sure this is actually an issue but it just bothers me), sometimes he appears to have lost his pace yet other times he is like lightning, poor concentration/ positional discipline (got sucked into midfield too often), and his crossing shows no signs of improvement (going the other way if anything). At this point I can see without hesitation that Lichtsteiner is better.

2) Centre backs are still a big issue (surprise surprise). An issue we had last year was how slow our centre backs were, which makes the Sokratis signing seem so strange. We need to pace, power and aerial dominance - think Campbell and Toure.

3) I like Xhaka but he is currently getting outshone by a 19 year old, and it seems pointless to me having both in the same side.

4) I'm feeling the same way about Ozil being such a high earner as I was when Walcott joined the high earner club. I don't feel comfortable with someone who is so ineffective so often earning so much.

5) Really happy for Iwobi. Crap end product aside I have always felt he was often unfairly dug out, but he was excellent and finished the game with two goal involvements.

6) Emery needs time. Remember we have years and years of abject Wengerness to try and repair. It was never going to be done over just one transfer window with such a small budget and a number of players who need getting rid of. Next season, after he's had three transfer windows, I think we'll get a better indication. Yes, the defending is still embarrassing, but we seem to have more energy, the pressing is good, we attacked well and we showed great character. A Wenger side of recent years would've never recovered from 2-0 down against Chelsea. It would've finished closer to 4, 5 or 6.
Player Ratings
Cech - 6. Thought he could've done better on Chelsea's second goal but did well otherwise.
Bellerin - 3. Poor defensively, regularly caught out of position and going forward his crossing is so bad he might as well not bother. Worrying. Lichtsteiner needed.
Mustafi - 4. Poor on Chelsea's second goal and unconvincing otherwise in the first half. Better second half. Lack of pace an issue.
Sokratis - 5. Best of our centre backs but still not great. Lack of pace an issue.
Monreal - 6. Did well today. I liked his link up with Iwobi.
Xhaka - 4. Poor game, though funnily enough I noticed we were worse in possession when he went off, and no better defensively.
Guendouzi - 7. Continues to show so much at such a young age. Really assured on the ball and appears to have a little bite off it. Plays some unreal passes. Also, check the guy's reaction to Aubameyang's miss.
Mkhitaryan - 5. Awful start as he was largely to blame for the first goal, was poor on the ball and missed a sitter, but recovered well with a goal and an assist. Disappeared again in the second half.
Ozil - 4. Sick of him.
Iwobi - 8.MOTM I was surprised to see him start but I actually thought he was our best player. Positive and direct. Assist and a goal.
Aubameyang - 4. Ineffective in a big game, not for the first time, and was guilty of two misses that would even embarrass a Sunday league player.

Subs:
Torreira - 5. I liked some of what I saw but he was poor on Chelsea's winner.

Ramsey - 5. Created our best chance of the second half with a drilled cross/ shot, and came close from distance with a great effort. Put himself about but quiet otherwise.
Lacazette - 4. Made an impact off the bench as he played a big part in Chelsea's winner.

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Iwobi MOTM? Emery Needs Time
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19/08/2018 19:40
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018:08:24:23:38:52 by Padre Pio.

 
Re: Iwobi MOTM? Emery Needs Time
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
19/08/2018 21:43
Ian Wright praised Iwobi and Guendouzi and criticised Lacazette on MOTD, I agree with him and you.
Whatt Lacca did was made worse by his pathetic attempt, or was it pretence of trying at getting the ball back



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: Iwobi MOTM? Emery Needs Time
MattySadler (IP Logged)
20/08/2018 06:16
Yeah it was just a really half-arsed attempt at looking like he was trying to make amends for giving the ball away.

 
Re: Iwobi MOTM? Emery Needs Time
litmus (IP Logged)
20/08/2018 06:42
In that run up to their 3rd goal, I thought Bellerin was way forward and then pulled up and kind of signal for someone to cover the right side. He made no attempt to run, back. Anyone noticed that? He seemed like he was in pain or something. was it genuine or he just couldn't be arsed.

Of course, Laca half-arsed attempt at a challenge didnt help

 
Re: Iwobi MOTM? Emery Needs Time
Shane (IP Logged)
20/08/2018 14:25
Agree on a lot of points Matty. When Xhaka is finally dropped we'll finally see what he's made of as I said the other week. You can drop some players and they come out swinging and respond very well to it, whereas if you drop others - like Ozil - it generally exacerbates the problem. I'm interested to see which bracket Xhaka falls into. There had to have been method to Wenger's madness in never once dropping him so that's probably a clue that he isn't strong enough to roll with the punches.

 
Re: Iwobi MOTM? Emery Needs Time
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
20/08/2018 14:54
It's the end of the seniority methods and good riddance to it. It's a breath of fresh air



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: Iwobi MOTM? Emery Needs Time
SuperRob (IP Logged)
20/08/2018 23:25
But also you don't win anything with kids, so if we do drop cech, ozil, xhaka, Ramsey and mustafi then we end up with the spine of the team having basically no experience in the Premier league and most of them being under the age of 22.

It's a no win situation. The only way is to rotate these players out gradually so that you don't throw the young players in at the deep end too early and ruin their confidence

 
Re: Iwobi MOTM? Emery Needs Time
MattySadler (IP Logged)
21/08/2018 05:51
Quote:
SuperRob
But also you don't win anything with kids, so if we do drop cech, ozil, xhaka, Ramsey and mustafi then we end up with the spine of the team having basically no experience in the Premier league and most of them being under the age of 22.
It's a no win situation. The only way is to rotate these players out gradually so that you don't throw the young players in at the deep end too early and ruin their confidence

You aren't wrong but I don't think the team would contain that many kids. As things stand I'd only be looking to put Guendouzi, Iwobi and possibly Mavropanos (due to superior mobility) in the side, but I'd also be looking to add Lichtsteiner.

 
Re: Iwobi MOTM? Emery Needs Time
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
21/08/2018 06:49
I dont think it will be all kids either. Leno is not a baby, and I am sure Lacca and Auba, plus Mikky are all part of his long term plans



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: Iwobi MOTM? Emery Needs Time
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
21/08/2018 13:57
"Long Term" Plan = not more than 3 years to achieve target set.


When a young Walcott, young RvP and young Fabregas was developing, the last of the Invincible in henry left in summer 2007. No mentorship.

Today?
Auba, Laca, Mkhi, Ozil, Sokratis, Lichsteiner and even Ramsey offered mentorship to all those youngsters.



'Most owners take out of the club and Vichai just put in. Without him, we would not have won the Premier League. It was a once-in-a-lifetime thing.' Danny Barry, a Leicester City fan for 64 years.

 
Re: Iwobi MOTM? Emery Needs Time
SuperRob (IP Logged)
21/08/2018 14:58
Leno, sokratis, torriera, guendouzi, lichsteiner are new to the pl
Iwobi, torriera, guendouzi, movrapanos are 22 years old or younger.

You throw them all in at the deep end together and you'll get lots of inconsistency. I'm sure most of these players will be first team regulars by the end of this season, but I can understand the logic of introducing them gradually.

 
Matchch Rating against Chelski
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
19/08/2018 01:33
Was Arsene Wenger sitting on the bench?
How Arsenal-like when we started cold and got caught cold with Chelski rapid 2-0 strike.
How Arsenal-like with Back-4 all at seas easily ripped apart by running between CB and out-pacing a slow Back-4 with no protection from midfielders.

And how Ramsey-like or Fabregas-like when a daft back-pass from a brain-dead Lacazette resulting in Chelski winner.

All in all, a most enjoyable game where we showed we can attack down the flanks and a rejuvenated Iwobi was the star performer at left-flank willing to should responsibility in creating plays, physically strong and with a deft touch that can waltzed passed defenders.

Beginning to be impressed with Guedouzi and his distribution with one slide-rule long pass to Bellerin who squared to Auba and his horror miss. But he is still tactical naïve and needed a strong and wise-head of an experienced midfielder that he can work in tandem as part of a Double Pivot to protect back-4 and to dominate the vacuum between Forward-3 and Back-4.

Everybody love attacking down our rgiht flank with Bellerin superb as wingback but never a full-back. he simply does not have the Engine to go flank-to-flank and needed an old head like Lichsteiner to play behind him. Bellerin should be the supersub an dcomes in to replace Ozil or Mkhi at the right flank to provide impetus against a tiring defence during the 70th minute.

Show also Ramsey ahs no future under Unai Emery as he is like a duck out of water, just waddle around and once in a while, a burst of speed into the box. Other than thta, what was he doing with the game bypassing him? He has no first touch and no tactical awareness of plays aorund him and got int eh way of forwards in the box, nullified their shooting opportunity with him in the way and occupying the same spot as the forward.
He has no pace to play Emery's high pressing game and one-touch passing at pace.

Just look at those young PSG and Athletico madrid players with their one-touch and ability to recognise the tactical situaiton with one glance and distributing the ball accurately.
Ramsey is the last dinosaur form the Brit Pack (okay, Jenkinson still with us) and should depart for the Jurassic park in Europe or China or USA or whatever.

The first half gave us a glimpse of what to be under Unai Emery in the enxt 2 or 3 months or so.
The 2nd half showed Unai Emery he needed a new Back-4 with Lichsteiner playing and Monreal needed replacing.

8 - Cech - MOTM and kept us in the game.The 3 goals against him were superb strike.(Sm128)


5 - Bellerin - awful and no engine to track back playing high-line and pressing game.(Sm145)

6 - Mustafi - decent outing and getting better.(Sm163)

6 - SOkratis - tough defending and take no prisoner.(Sm83)

5 - Monreal - all at sea and no more his driving self of last season.(Sm77)

5 - Xhaka - WTF? Still on holidays?(Sm24)

7 - Guedouzi - impressive at his age and fine ball distribution. Can only get better.(Sm148)

6 - Torreia - need and tidy player. Still finding his foot in the team.(Sm71)

6 - Mkhitaryan - start slow and gettign more and more influential later in the game.(Sm116)

5 - Ozil - can't see him on the tellie. (Sm157)

7 - Iwobi - an rejuvenated player under Emery and out-shone the likes of Xhaka, Ozil and Auba.(Sm152)

5 - Ramsey - sell him.(Sm20)
4 - Auba - @#$%##@@(Sm164)
3 - Laca - @$$%## backpass(Sm49)

 
Re: Matchch Rating against Chelski
Gunnersingh1 (IP Logged)
19/08/2018 08:47
Cech cost us the game again; His positioning for their 2nd goal was shocking and on their 3rd his lack of agility was there for all to see!

Guendouzi a 19 year old has been our best player. The so called senior players should be ashamed!

 
Re: Matchch Rating against Chelski
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
19/08/2018 09:41
Padre,

Please merge this thread with Matty's.



'Most owners take out of the club and Vichai just put in. Without him, we would not have won the Premier League. It was a once-in-a-lifetime thing.' Danny Barry, a Leicester City fan for 64 years.

 
Re: Matchch Rating against Chelski
MattySadler (IP Logged)
19/08/2018 10:03
Sorry Merl mate, was asked to do some ratings last night but didn't see yours this morning.

 
Re: Matchch Rating against Chelski
Ares (IP Logged)
21/08/2018 08:49
Your Ratings

- Good Use Of Smileys

- U used Paragraphs

- Funny

- U Did Good

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