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Fantastic Spirit, Fantastic Crowd, Awful Referee, Bare Bench


Grandma we Love You

By Boris Mellor
March 7 2012

I wasn’t supposed to be at the match I was meant to be at the O2 Arena watching my Nephew’s school choir. When I first realised it clashed with the 2nd Leg of the knockout round I was a bit peeved, but then we got beat 4-0 and I thought well it won’t be so bad. But as the day approached like all gullible fans I began to believe that perhaps a miracle could happen, and I wouldn’t be there.

But there was no way I could pull out, then the omen struck, a  phone call from anxious parent, he was having a tantrum and wouldn’t go. Oh no! I could go on my own if I liked, rather than waste a £22 ticket for the O2. No not my kind of thing, the only reason for going was to support my nephew, and he wasn’t interested, and nor was I.

But, a lot of buts here, I had sold my ticket to a Birmingham fan, however Birmingham were on the Telly and  he was half hoping he no longer had to watch Arsenal put out reserves against Milan. So I had got my ticket back. But my electric had failed at 4 am in the morning;  the council arrived and  said it was the Energy Board’s responsibility. The Energy Board turned up and said no it was the council’s responsibility. At 3.30pm the contractor finally turned up. But he needed 50 metres of cable, however he managed to get some from a local wholesaler. At 5.15 I was free to go the match, what a stressful day.

I now truly believed it could possibly happen, and Simon68, and Syd the Cabbie were both chipper in the greasy spoon. Syd said he would put money on Arsenal winning 4-0, well you don’t get more optimistic than that.

The ground filled up very slowly, it was very cold, and possibly 15% of seats were empty, the cheaper seats were well patronised. Well you have all seen the game, and the crowd was fantastic, booing every Milan player and urging Arsenal on. The Ox delivered a great corner for the first goal. Rosicky got the second, and the Ox won a penalty. The lousy, useless ref didn’t want to give it, but the goal line official insisted. A lot of the crowd celebrated as if it was an actual goal, me I was looking for a sofa to hide behind. It was a tense moment, and Van Bommel was being a pain, but RvP was as calm as anything hitting a great penalty. He scores when he wants the crowd crowed, which wasn’t really true was it?

Exhaustion

The team went off at half time 3-0 up, surely we were set fair? The strange thing that it was now possible and the nerves now kicked in, before it was a laugh, now it was possible. Stick or twist? At the half time de-briefing Simon68 was sure that the ref would pull one on us. I feared that Milan would sneak a goal. In the second half there was an air of exhaustion about the team and the crowd. Also Milan were dropping like flies, conning free kicks from an idiot ref. It was all stopping the tempo and rhythm of the game.

Arsenal had only one chance of merit in the second half, the much talked about RvP chip, but really that was it. Meanwhile Milan had more and more shots on target, they ended up having more shots than Arsenal. It was very tight and Szczney saved us many times, although he did make an horrific clearance at one stage.

Bare Bench

Something had to be done to restore the tempo, it needed freshening up, so Wenger brought on Chamakh and Park. I bet Milan soiled their shorts when they saw those two come on. You know it’s the end when they come on.

It was a glorious failure, and much of the crowd stayed behind, far more than ever stay for the lap of depreciation, and gave the team a standing ovation. The crowd singled out Rosicky for special praise. Those players not flat on their backs responded to the crowd, who then booed off the odious ref. I hope Wenger told him what he really thought of him.

Afterwards Wenger regretted the paucity of his bench, Arteta and Diaby were not available. Now he must be pulling our leg? Who in their right mind expects Diaby to be available? Who got rid of Arshavin, yes a few know it alls will tell me he doesn’t tackle back, but he can score in big games in Europe, or perhaps a year ago is too long to remember.

But this is my question to the master of the half measure, which injured first choice players had been injured to necessitate the need to put Chamakh and Park on the bench. Which quality striker was missing that he couldn’t use?

I am afraid it’s a harsh lesson that you cannot play just one half of football, out of four halves, at this level, and that you need more than 9 good players. I don’t count Gervinho. A quality player available to come off the bench may have made history. Instead it was so near but so far.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012:03:13:19:39:21 by Padre Pio.

 
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Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 21:35
this article makes me sick

just a fortnight ago fans were being branded absolutle idiots for wanting to go to the match as opposed to holding hands in solidarity protesting outside the staduim so that the board will at the message and sack wenger.

now the same critcal fans of wenger and the "idiot" fans who wanted to go to the game, are now giving themselves a pat on the back because they actually decided to go and witnessed a great perfromance

hypocrisy is alive and well people



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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 22:25
you make me sick. No where did I write an article that fans shouldnt go to this game. Nowhere did I write there should be a boycott or protest outside. So if you have nothing useful to say feck off and organise your own website with your own pure and peculiar viewpoint.
You are thoroughly dishonest and spend all your time slagging off anyone and everyone for no good reason.You are dishonest as you give the impression that I rediculed loyal fans.

Show me one article I wrote saying that Arsenal fans were idiots if they went to this game. I actually said you couldnt expect a boycott as tickets had sold out already.

Why dont you discuss something I actually wrote. Its quite disgusting that you can tell lies like this.

I always wanted to go, for a start I didnt want to miss Wenger's possibly last game in Europe. It wasnt my fault that family comittments nearly stopped me going.



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
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Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 22:27
i thought mellor was celines handle, calm your skin down



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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 22:28
How about a proper apology?



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
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Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 22:33
Mr padre please accept my sincerest apologies, i was under the impression that Borris mellor was infact celine dion hence i spent 30 minutes looking for the thread which he posted on the comments which i referenced, prior to posting on your insightful article

thanks for your understanding on the matter, i hope this apology will suffice



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celine dion (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 22:37
Oh dear jack. Having a go at me for an article i didnt write about a match i didnt go to and had no intention of going to. Bit obsessed arent we?

 
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Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 22:41
if you did write the article you could understand why i would have had to pull you especially up on it. its what i live for on AT(Sm1)

Is Mr mellor going to accept my apology or what



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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 22:45
You can stuff your apology and you got it wrong on Celine. Here he is on Boycotting suggestions for this game:
celine dion (127.0.0.1)
Date: 16 February, 2012 20:18

there is no need for any boycott or demonstration whatsoever.

the club knows the view of the fans. They arent daft. They pay people to read these sites and many others.

What will happen from hereonin will happen regardless of fan action.



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
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celine dion (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 22:47
So where did i call Arsenal fans 'idiots' then, for wanting to go to that game?

 
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Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 22:48
thats a post he wrote after he realised that people were on to him, anyway he isnt trying to defend himself so why are you

if you arent going to accept the apology why ask for one. A tad chidlish wouldnt you say



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celine dion (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 22:52
Yes i am jack, my name has been brought into disrepute. I probably did say have a boycott, me and about 20,000 other people. But did i call arsenal fans 'idiots' for not wanting to join in? Not really my style ordinarily. Still, if you can come up with it, i will apologise.

 
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Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 22:56
celine you didnt call the fans idiots, but you were agreeing with the guys calling me an idiot for wanting to go to the match

it wasnt untill Rockstaar pulled you up on it that you made the post that your buddy just pulled up

anyhow. you didnt make this thread so its a bit of a moot point

by the way, you must have known that, with every passing goal that we scored getting closer to the target that i would have been waiting to rub your previous comments down your throat.



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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 22:57
Not defending Celine he can look after himself, I was exposing your excuse that you confused me with him, being as how he didnt call for a boycott you couldnt have mistaken his views for mine.

childish ha ha. When you make a grown up apology I will accept it



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
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Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 23:00
it was genuine padre

i made a genuine error and i gave a genuine apology

granted i was going to say "now calm you skin down", after you accepted but thats ruined now. Cheers



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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 23:03
So we won a match 3-0 and failed to qualify for next round, meanwhile Apoel qualify. Imagine that a team from cyprus qualifies but Arsenal cant



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
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celine dion (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 23:04
So i didnt call them idiots then. Probably best to remove the inverted commas from around the word 'idiots' in your initial post. In case anyone thinks thats what i wrote. Thanks for that.

 
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Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 23:05
i know right its embarrasing, just as embarrasing for mancity the richest club in the world who spent all that money on a fantastic squad, and mau the second richest club in the world who have two great players for every position



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Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 23:08
they would have to read on to find out who said it celine, and they would be so engrossed in this to and fro that they would read it to its completion so dont worry your pretty little head about it



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celine dion (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 23:09
For the record, good luck to all the people that spent 50 to a hundred pound on what was effectively a dead rubber. Im glad they were at least treated to a nailbiting spectacle. At least the club is serving up some memorable matches and results in a season which overall is going to show zero progress overall. Its the most we can hope for nowadays.

 
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Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 23:21
I hear what you are saying, but you must be a tad excited what the next season promises , with the emregance of players like the Ox, Coq and Ryo at bolton not to mention with the return of Jack the future looks exciting.

go on get your optimistic hat on for one minute, you might like it



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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 23:32
They will be just like new signings.
I am very excited about the Ox, he actually not only looks good but might not be made out of balsa wood as many of Wenger's protoges are - especially Diaby



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
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celine dion (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 23:32
I will concede, that the nucleus of the younger elements of the side is more promising than it has been in a while, with a fresher more positivd mood amongst the players. but any kind of success depends on four factors

1) not just rvp staying but other seniors such as sagna or song not suddenly upping and going for decent offers

2) wenger becoming more ruthless with injury prone players or at least inwardly acknowledging that he has a.vulnerability and overcompensating with versatile, top quality back up

3) chamakh and park f*cking off somewhere else

4) players like gervinho wilshere ramsey and walcott suddenly dramatically upping their scoring rate as have nasri and pires in the past.

also, some visible evidence that the fair play rules will not be circumvented

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 23:40
Wenger had 71 one players, 11 on the field and nothing on the bench. Time tio weed the rubbish and reward the best.
It also shows we need experience as the midfield gets older we get better



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
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Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 23:42
while padre is obvioulsy just trying to push my buttons laying special emphasis on diaby, i am happy that your list, celine, didnt include Wenger being sacked, as one of the options.

The mere fact that you didnt include that shows that progress is being made both with the club and with fans like you(Sm152)



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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 23:48
time he went, how does that help your buttons? 15 years is a lot even for an exceptional manager, and he is not exceptional he has won nothing for 7 seasons, soon to be 8



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
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Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
07/03/2012 23:55
time who left

if you are referring to wenger, as long as we get someone in who wont change our playing style i dont care

i still think he is the guy for the job and he should leave on a good note, when we are back to our winning ways

not a lot needs changing and a new guy with new phillosphies could take an age to get us back where we need to be



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hippogunner (IP Logged)
08/03/2012 08:11
We've been waiting for things to change for 7 years. Will they now?

Wenger's faults seem to be many. He's far too loyal to players and expects them to return his loyalty. I think he was genuinely surprised by the attitude of Nasri and to a lesser extent Fabregas but I'm not sure why. These are young ambitious men and yes, probably swayed by money. What's new about that?

Both those players want to win trophies, like most players, and there were no signs that we were going to do that.

He seems to have no idea about sorting the defence out. It's still leaked far too many goals for about the fifth season running. His tactics are at times bizarre. He seems to relish playing some players out of position. And he seems inept at getting rid of average players who he has ensured are paid far too high a wage. It really beggars belief that a top club like Arsenal have two dud strikers still picking up wages.

Whilst one can't deny that his vision of the style of football he wants Arsenal to play is an ideal one, it is in the end just an ideal, for he does not have enough quality players to bring it to fruition.

He's certainly got a couple of great players in Ox and Wilshire. With those two our prospects look bright. I just hope that we can keep them because we can't be sure what sort of club we are with Kronke and Gazidis at the helm. If in a couple of years Manu or City offer us big money for either of those two will we crumble?

If we don't start winning things those two might want out anyway. That's why Wenger needs to get some experienced quality players in. Not sure Podolski is the answer though but he has to be better than Chamakh or Park.

 
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weedz (IP Logged)
08/03/2012 19:41
An entertaining read Padre. Particularly the fact that it made Jackoff sick.



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seanski (IP Logged)
09/03/2012 03:59
yawn, the 'movement' are a bit touchy methinks

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
09/03/2012 08:05
I am not in the BSM Seanski.



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
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celine dion (IP Logged)
09/03/2012 11:11
Seanski only comes here when Arsenal are doing well, to tell us off. When Arsenal are doing badly - nowhere to be seen. Like so many of them.

 
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PKGooner (IP Logged)
09/03/2012 12:49
Quote:
seanski
yawn, the 'movement' are a bit touchy methinks


Whats this got to do with the BSM?

All of their complaints are still valid

 
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celine dion (IP Logged)
09/03/2012 15:02
he isnt talking about the BSM specifically. Just any collection of disgruntled fans such as me and PP, who like to use this website to pedal our miserable negativity.

 
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Rockstaar (IP Logged)
09/03/2012 17:52
I just want to say the the crowd was incredible!! Don't know if we can get any better for the rest of the season! But they did us proud for the world to see



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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
09/03/2012 18:53
He probably means manufacturers of dairy products in general



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
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Simon68 (IP Logged)
09/03/2012 22:41
What's the British School of Motoring got to do with anything?

Am I missing something?

Anyway, about the match. I think that the fact that we put on Chamakh and Young Park (I was quite relieved to see he is still alive apart from anything else) is actually missing the point.

Where we in the end were unable to get the fourth or fifth was not down to the forward substitutions - it was the fact that we had no-one of enough proven class to bring on in midfield. The reason for that was not an inadequate squad, it was down to the fact we were without Jack Wilshere, Abou Diaby, Mikel Arteta, Francis Coquelin and Aaron Ramsey to come on in central midfield. All were injured plus Emmanuel Frimpong was both injured and loaned out so wouldn't have been available anyway.

The period the two forwards were on was noticeable for the fact we didn't create anything for them to prove they were good enough or not and this was down to Song and Rosicky being knackered and The Ox and Theo off through knocks which left Gervinho who had played like a drain throughout anyway. Had any one of the injured midfield been available we wouldn't have had to bring on the two forwards.

You may note I haven't mentioned Arshavin.

I suspect he was loaned out to provide some clarity for the Arsenal squad. Having him around sort of confused the issue. For too long he was part of the squad and was put on to provide some sort of spark whether we were winning losing or drawing, but providing one good moment every 7 or 8 matches was just not worth it. With him gone the players (and us supporters for that matter) know where they stand and gone is the temptation for Arsene Wenger to look upon him as the same player who scored those 4 goals at Liverpool.

Plus he was a fat, lazy b*stard.

It was still a great performance from the team and I'm still getting my voice back from being part of a great crowd just as we were at the game against Twitchy, Bungy, Gappy, Greedy, Monkey and the rest of the mental dwarves and their knuckle dragging followers the other Sunday.

If only everyone, players and supporters, could take the performance of the last two home games into every game we wouldn't have these internecine squabbles to give ammunition to the w*nkers who don't support us, as we would be too busy winning.

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
09/03/2012 23:09
Diaby? How much has he played this season?



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
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Simon68 (IP Logged)
09/03/2012 23:34
Not enough, unfortunately.

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
10/03/2012 00:06
Wenger has over 70 players and he couldnt put out a half decent bench. The idea that Diaby is something we missed is a joke. The bloke hasnt played a full season in years.
Also the idea that there is a dark secret about Arshavin is another one. And if he was a fat lazy B who allowed him to get that way? What is Wewnger doing allowing players to be overweight?
When Clichy went all these people came out of the woodwork saying he had never been any good so Wenger was right to get rid of him. There again if he was so poor why did Wenger fail to notice it for all those years?

Yes he was short of midfielders, but he was also short of strikers, how does the fact he was short of midfielders justify that he hasnt got any spare strikers?

This is Wenger's eternal circle, 11 reasonable players and no depth in his squad, thus year after year we never win anything apart from 4th which is a trophy. We are now out of all cups and the only reason we are excited by 4th is that it was looking unobtainable.



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
Re: Fantastic Spirit, Fantastic Crowd, Awful Referee, Bare Bench
Simon68 (IP Logged)
10/03/2012 00:17
What's the maximum number of players are you allowed to declare in your CL squad?

Wenger was blinkered about Arshavin, just as many supporters are and some still are.

And Clichy was still making the same elementary mistakes in his last season at the Club as in his first. He had a couple of good seasons somewhere in the middle.

And it is part of the midfield's job to create for the strikers so if you have no fit midfield then how are the strikers supposed to have any impact?

 
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Padre Pio (IP Logged)
10/03/2012 00:41
So Wenger makes a poor choice of players then Simon. he persisted with Clichy who kept on making elementary mistakes, and he had illusions in Arshavin who he brought on to replace oxlade chamberlain.

If RvP was to get injured who would Wenger replace him with?



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
Re: Fantastic Spirit, Fantastic Crowd, Awful Referee, Bare Bench
Simon68 (IP Logged)
10/03/2012 11:46
Wenger has made poor choices about certain players, line-ups, substitutions etc. Of course he has, just as every person makes poor choices about something at some point. Fortunately for us Wenger has made far fewer poor choices than the vast majority of football managers over the course of the past 15 years.

And John Radford and Charlie George are still at the Club.

 
Re: Fantastic Spirit, Fantastic Crowd, Awful Referee, Bare Bench
celine dion (IP Logged)
10/03/2012 12:22
2 observations stand out here. Wenger got the maximum possible out of the team on Wednesday. For whatever reason he started with 2 first choice midfielders, so to get what he did out of the team against the Italian champions is remarkable (although people do seem to be forgetting that it wasnt their first choice team by any means either.)

To be completely fair to him it wasnt a usual injury crisis, Benayoun was ill. Arteta got smacked in the face. Its only the Diaby injury that was entirely predicatable.

So we need to draw a line under the whole event and say that the tie was lost in the first leg. Now, why did we perform so badly in the first leg. Well, despite it being a rather poor excuse, when you tie it with Sunderland away in the cup as well, it does appear that this team has a lot of trouble on a bad pitch. Playing at that level the midfield only knows one way to play and the high tempo passing and pressing game which we have done so well at home in the last few games does not work, the movement of the ball is too unpredictable. But unfortunately we are going to play on lots of bad pitches every year, so the team needs a plan B. Midfielders that can muscle through and shoot from distance, that would seem to be the best solution. A bit of extra class above and beyond what is there already, to throw into the mix and maximise opportunities even when the rest of the midfield isnt firing. But theres no reason why we cant sort that out, its one purchase.

I also think that Wenger HAS been lucky in that RVP has stayed fit. He has got away with it. Park and Chamakh are not at the races. If they were, Wenger would have played them far more often. Its not as if he used to give his first choice forward, Adebayor or Henry or whoever, close to 60 games a season. He would rotate just like any other position. So he has winged it, and that has been one of my biggest criticisms of him in the last few years. He is also playing a dangerous game with Gibbs, who is very decent when fit, but it might be better having someone other than Vermaelen who can play as a decent left back in future seasons because if Santos gets injured, lets face it theres a pretty good chance Gibbs will be as well.

But overall, you cant deny that Wenger has answered a lot of his critics in positive fashion. You cant ignore a 5-2 victory against Spurs a 2-1 victory at Anfield with a fantastic rear guard action and goal of the season winner, then beating ANY Milan side 3-0 with 2 blokes in your midfield. Yes the season has had two very poor patches and there is much work to do, but blo*dy hell, when you think where we could be right now, its not worth complaining looking at this season purely in isolation is it.

 
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Simon68 (IP Logged)
10/03/2012 12:51
I don't get this argument about where would we be if RvP hadn't stayed fit.

It is a redundant question because he has been.

It could equally be argued that we would have won the League in two of the past four seasons if RvP had been fit. But he wasn't and we didn't.

A far more valid argument is where would we be if our full backs (and then replacements) had not all been injured for months?

The past few matches show exactly how important they are from both defensive and attacking points of view.

Or if 15 clear penalties we should have been given had for some reason not been turned down. Or the number of ridiculous penalties given against us hadn't been given.

Those are events that have actually happened, not ones that haven't.

 
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celine dion (IP Logged)
10/03/2012 13:00
Well Simon, in talking about penalties which havent been given, you are talking about things which havent happened as well.

Be careful with your refereering stuff, in our two best results this season, ie Chelsea and Spurs, our keeper could very easily have been sent off in both games, and probably should have been in the Chelsea one. We have had the rub of the green a few times.

no, its a valid argument when RVP have won quite a lot of our games single handed, and when there is quite such a large gulf between his quality and that of Chamakh and Park, who for different reasons are largely laughing stocks. Its a valid argument when RVP has yet to complete a season for us injury free, and indeed is quite well known for missing large portions of each season through injury. I think everybody understands that you wont have two strikers of RVPs quality at the club, so a player or say, Eduardos quality knocking about, to step in if there was god forbid an injury to RVP, and also take the pressure off him in less important games. I think the proof is that Wenger doesnt rate Chamakh any more and perhaps doesnt rate Park at all, or they would have played more. So he has played fast and loose a bit, its a planning issue, he's got away with it by the looks of things, he clearly knows he needs to sort it long term as the Podolski rumours become stronger. Its a bit like last year where everybody could see Squillaci was a shambles, Wenger gave him half a season more than he should have done, we went on a terrible run, much of it down to goals let in by Squillaci, and hey presto the next season we never see him. So the evidence here is that Wenger knows what the potential problem is, but takes his time sorting it out. Sometimes he is lucky, sometimes he isnt.

 
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Simon68 (IP Logged)
10/03/2012 13:13
But those incidents where we didn't get obvious penalties were events that did happen.

And the one with Ches against the Chavs was not cut and dried. Some refs probably would have sent him off, some wouldn't. We fortunately had one of the latter.

As for Sp*rs, you can't argue we had the rub of the green when Bale cheated can you? Well you can, but you'd be wrong.

It's not a valid argument about RvP because he's supposed to stay fit and he has. He's our centre forward so he's supposed to score most goals, particularly as he's brilliant as well.

It's like asking where Barcelona would be without Messi.

 
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hippogunner (IP Logged)
10/03/2012 17:39
Give it a rest about penalties. I'm sure you'd believe we'd have won the league every season but for those pesky officials.

Plenty of teams get bad calls against them, we're not unique. It's just that you don't bother to analyze other teams because you don't follow them.

 
Re: Fantastic Spirit, Fantastic Crowd, Awful Referee, Bare Bench
Simon68 (IP Logged)
10/03/2012 21:30
You're wrong.

 
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hippogunner (IP Logged)
12/03/2012 08:04
I'm right.

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