Contemplation
Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Contemplation
By Celine Dion
January 14 2010
Arsene Wenger Football’s First Post Modern Manager continued: However, there is of course a beacon shining like a light amongst all this. ‘Boring Arsenal' as the song says, but of course nobody sings it anymore, because we are the least boring football team in the world, (except possibly St Pauli in the German second division but that is a subject worthy of its own article).
Contemplation
January 14 2010
Arsene Wenger Football’s First Post Modern Manager continued: However, there is of course a beacon shining like a light amongst all this. ‘Boring Arsenal' as the song says, but of course nobody sings it anymore, because we are the least boring football team in the world, (except possibly St Pauli in the German second division but that is a subject worthy of its own article).
It has often been said that Wenger is a genius, but I think that has been meant by outsiders in a boring ‘great manager' sort of a way. The Wenger revolution started quietly. First of all he tried to do things the ordinary way, buying Francis Jeffers, Richard Wright.
There were glimpses of the absurd of course, Kaba Diawara, the non scoring centre forward, or leaving Ian Wright out of the 1998 Cup Final for Chris Wreh. He invited all his French pals to Arsenal in fact. Talk Sport listeners were outraged at a ‘French team in London', but I rather liked it to be honest. I could understand what they were saying for a start, which was an improvement on Paul Merson.
Wenger Post Modern Genius
However, things have changed now, I put it to you that Wenger is now moving into a completely different arena of genius, to get to his Post Modern period, perhaps he had to go through his Modern one first. Nowadays he is showing his true colours, subtly subverting and erasing the customs and staid assumptions that govern the modern game.
Actually, he doesn't even do it subtly, he rides roughshod over most of them, and he cares not a jot for modern conventions. Take the everyday concerns of the modern football manager - people scoring from corners and crosses, (ours don't clear the first man), buying big name players (we buy Frank Silvestre), there's even little ones, like shaking hands with his opposite number at the end of the game. Witness last week his passionate speech about Health and Safety in England. Not exactly what you get from Kevin Keegan is it.
Wenger is playing a different game my friends. For Wenger has shifted us into the arena of the post-modern. When he used to say ‘I didn't seee it', I used to think he was just being professional, but now I think he actually DIDN'T. Perhaps he just invents his own truths, like the CIA. It's no coincidence that Wenger is French, if anyone knows the French, and I lived there for some time, then they know that the French by their nature harbour a distrust of convention and modern structures.
It is equally no coincidence that the other great non-conformist of Premiership History was also French, Mr Eric Cantona. Cantona was loved by the United fans, because he played and behaved outside the constraints of the game. Never better illustrated than when he kicked that fan in the face. He was a genius too.
Look at Wenger's team. We have a keeper who nobody likes, except possibly Wenger, sometimes, when he feels like it. Almunia gets dropped, he comes back, he gets dropped again. Then two great, world class, centre backs, with absolutely no credible back up whatsoever, oh sorry, Senderos, whom nobody seems to know whether he is still at the club, the Shergar of the Premiership.
The rest of our team don't appear to have any kind of conventional positions whatsoever, apart from Song. Everyone just does what they like, like some glorious abstract machine. Some of them, like Thomas Rosicky and Walcott, disappear for literally years at a time. Wenger talks about them like they are regulars in the team, as if it is invisible to the rest of us that they only manage about 30 minutes a season.
The forwards, well, our forwards, Bentdner and Eduardo, they play at right wing mainly, if at all. In the middle, leading the line in our main goal scoring position, I give you a five foot four Russian midfielder. Other teams, in the past few years, have spent literally months on the training ground, perfecting set pieces, drying the ball with little towels like Rory Delap. Our lot can barely take a throw in, never mind a corner, we may as well give them to the other team.
Wenger is swimming in completely the opposite direction to everyone else. Look at his teambuilding. Unbeaten season? Dismantle the team, start again. It seems, when the whim takes him, Wenger builds a team, and then gets rid of it again, like an angry painter holed up in some Parisian attic bedroom, seized with sudden introspection and self-criticism. Otherwise, when the fancy takes him, he persists and persists with players whose future at the club appears to be doomed, Song, Eboue, the list is endless. Why should we understand? Who are we to try to understand? What is understanding, anyway, but an outdated concept where we try to apply our own reference systems to somebody else's?
I could go on, I am sure you get my drift. I am equally sure that by the time you read this, you will have had time to digest the apparent return of Sol Campbell to our club. This is Sol Campbell who walked out of our club effectively at half time during a tricky match at West Ham (although he popped back to score a goal in the Champions League final). Left to play abroad, at Portsmouth, which last time I looked was not abroad (although perhaps it should be)? Sol resurfaced at Notts County, on about 80 grand a week, and now, rather than retiring, has returned to Wenger's theatre of the absurd, to pitch in and help in what looks increasingly like a title push, despite the fact that most of us were worried about finishing in the top 10.
Of course there's a point to all this (or is there?) My life is now workmanlike and pedestrian, it has gone full circle, I live in a Perry Groves world now, or a Kevin Campbell one. But Arsenal is bit of glamour and unpredictability in my life. Going to the Emirates now is like visiting an exhibition. United have the ‘Theatre of Dreams', well we have Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd.
60,000 watching the reserves
Nonetheless, there has to be a reason why 60,000 people keep going there to watch the reserves play in the Carling Cup. Has Wenger succeeded in creating a living installation of post modern art out of a football team? Pretentious, perhaps, but the more you look at it, Wenger and his unworldly and unpredictable decision making starts to look like a one man protest against his footballing environment. Heroic, stubborn, and gloriously French.
People PAY to look at art, even in times of hardship and war. Art transcends the hammer blow tediousness of modern life, and the absurd is sometimes the only effective protest against the mind numbingly logical. And in an era where people can scarcely afford to watch ordinary teams, perhaps Wenger is going to have the last laugh on us all.
I shouldn't be surprised one day if I turn on ‘The Late Show', that rather pretentious arts programme with Melvyn Bragg, which nobody watches, and they are earnestly interviewing Wenger about Arsenal and his descent into the absurd. Wenger and Arsenal are the world's first Post Modern Football team. Make no mistake about it.
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Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Bergmars (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 20:09
That wasnt boring.
DB10,the best.
DB10,the best.
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Goofle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 20:09
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 20:13
But it wouldnt make sense without the first bit
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Goofle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 20:14
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Bergmars (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 20:36
Seriously enjoyed that Celine,excellent stuff.
DB10,the best.
DB10,the best.
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: weedz (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 21:00
Nice article CD, but to be a little abstract myself, I feel that in the last 5 or 6 years there have been too many incomplete canvases lying in the corner of the Arsenal dressing-room.
I ask myself is AW is painting for myself and the other Gooners or is he painting for his ideals and the economic climate that exists.
IMO too many times in the past half decade has AW tried to paint with colours that are not yet vibrant enough. His canvases have been close enough to be complete with just the buying of a tube or two of red`n`white, but for his loyalty, economics and self-belief to have not allowed the picture to be painted into a masterpiece.
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I ask myself is AW is painting for myself and the other Gooners or is he painting for his ideals and the economic climate that exists.
IMO too many times in the past half decade has AW tried to paint with colours that are not yet vibrant enough. His canvases have been close enough to be complete with just the buying of a tube or two of red`n`white, but for his loyalty, economics and self-belief to have not allowed the picture to be painted into a masterpiece.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010:01:14:21:19:16 by weedz.
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: redanddread (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 21:03
a right riveting read........anwyay off to bash a few lagers and have a sing-song.
Did mi head in..
Did mi head in..
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: karsene16 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 21:21
Next time i'm screaming at the team, i'll try to remember it's Art.
Good read CD.
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Good read CD.
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Posted by: Sammy22 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 21:47
That was some great work
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Willy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 22:05
Very nice piece - the metaphor works pretty well. I agree that Wenger is as much tortured artiste as stringent economist - and being able to simultaneously exist in both places so well makes him truly transcendent and postmodern. Although he is a little too overt with his principles to really pull it off don't you think?
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Goofle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 22:22
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Chapman's Ghost (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 22:45
Wenger maybe creating a Post Modern football team but
football is still primitive.
My girlfriend lived in France too and speaks fluent
French which is maybe why she dismisses the works
of Bataille, Barbusse and Celine whilst I admire
them.
I hope one day, in tribute to surrealism, when Blackburn
or Stoke are playing their tedious football against us
Wenger runs on the field midway through the first half
and shouts, "This is not football".
football is still primitive.
My girlfriend lived in France too and speaks fluent
French which is maybe why she dismisses the works
of Bataille, Barbusse and Celine whilst I admire
them.
I hope one day, in tribute to surrealism, when Blackburn
or Stoke are playing their tedious football against us
Wenger runs on the field midway through the first half
and shouts, "This is not football".
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 22:49
well written Celine, had everything Tom's lead article lacked.
maybe like most great artists Wenger will not get the credit he deserves till his passing(in his case sacking or retiring)
maybe like most great artists Wenger will not get the credit he deserves till his passing(in his case sacking or retiring)
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 22:56
Now now we were all getting on so well. hardly a sly dig. Anyway write a good article I am sure you can
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: your mother (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 23:00
Quote:Chapman's Ghost
I hope one day, in tribute to surrealism, when Blackburn
or Stoke are playing their tedious football against us
Wenger runs on the field midway through the first half
and shouts, "This is not football".
i think i could die a happy man if i witnessed that
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Goofle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 23:01
Well, maybe not sly, more an overt gesture of dissatisfaction. The opposite of sly in fact.
I will be doing one, as you know, and it will blow your minds.
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I will be doing one, as you know, and it will blow your minds.
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Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 23:04
It would be great if Wenger ordered the team off, saying its a travesty, but we were winning 3-0
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: FAB #4 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 23:16
Was a nice read unil I reached this line
Return to Arsene Wenger Football's First Post Modern Manager (Part 1)
then it spoiled my taste!!
Return to Arsene Wenger Football's First Post Modern Manager (Part 1)
then it spoiled my taste!!
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: your mother (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2010 23:20
Quote:Goofle
I could totally see Wenger doing something like that when he eventually cracks up
i think an eventual dissent in to complete lunacy is certainly on the cards
he'll end up cutting his ear off or recording a christmas album
what a brilliant man
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Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 00:19
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Goofle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 00:24
By the way, what an absolute cretin that woman on the right is. Literally foaming at the mouth whilst shouting abuse at the Great One. She needs a good @#$%&.
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Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: your mother (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 00:25
i didn't think we could post pictures for some reason
who wants to photoshop a cross and bloody nails through his hands?
who wants to photoshop a cross and bloody nails through his hands?
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Goofle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 00:27
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 00:30
Lacks the class of our granny jeering at Giggs.
Go to bed Tom or you wont have the strength to write your article
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
Go to bed Tom or you wont have the strength to write your article
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: karsene16 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 00:50
Quote:your mother
i didn't think we could post pictures for some reason
who wants to photoshop a cross and bloody nails through his hands?
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Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 00:57
A camberwell carrot on the go?
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Gooner_Mike (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 04:14
Great read (apart from part 1 if im being honest, the big words were too much for my puny brain to comprehend) but it all blended together nicely at the end, and I guess Wenger is a "post modern" dictator in his own right.
I wonder how football would be, if Wenger were the creator? Would he be sitting on the sidelines puffing on one of those slim ciggarettes? Would he ban backwards passes? We already know throw ins would be outlawed for kick ins. It would make one hell of a non-fiction book.
"When we first welcomed Wenger to these shores we saw him as cool, calm and collected, look at him now" - Jon Champion
I wonder how football would be, if Wenger were the creator? Would he be sitting on the sidelines puffing on one of those slim ciggarettes? Would he ban backwards passes? We already know throw ins would be outlawed for kick ins. It would make one hell of a non-fiction book.
"When we first welcomed Wenger to these shores we saw him as cool, calm and collected, look at him now" - Jon Champion
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Chapman's Ghost (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 07:01
I think part one was my favourite bit, could have been a
bit more Rabelaisian, after all this is a football forum
and that might have appealed to Merlion, but it was
stimulating stuff.
@ your mother, Wenger doing a xmas LP, that cracked me
up. I'd resurrect my record label to put that out.
bit more Rabelaisian, after all this is a football forum
and that might have appealed to Merlion, but it was
stimulating stuff.
@ your mother, Wenger doing a xmas LP, that cracked me
up. I'd resurrect my record label to put that out.
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: nis (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 12:23
the first one was boring the second was brilliant
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: djarse (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 13:47
I thought the first one was brilliant and the second boring !
Used to read Rimbaud, Baudelaire, Verlaine and the rest myself and am a huge fan of Dadaism and Surrealism - loads of paintings (sadly copies) on the walls....
As for Wenger - I like the analogy with Cantona.
Perhaps there'll be a film - Looking for Wenger....!
Used to read Rimbaud, Baudelaire, Verlaine and the rest myself and am a huge fan of Dadaism and Surrealism - loads of paintings (sadly copies) on the walls....
As for Wenger - I like the analogy with Cantona.
Perhaps there'll be a film - Looking for Wenger....!
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 14:46
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Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
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Date: 15/01/2010 14:59
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Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
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Date: 15/01/2010 15:57
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Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Hecht (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 18:24
Great write up, CD. I've just registered just to tell you how much I enjoyed reading your article. I like your sense of humour. The majority of bloggers these days are depressed, hysterical or self-absorbed, and worst of all just plain boring, look at merlion's post. meh.
Thank you for that witty article, CD.
Thank you for that witty article, CD.
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Simon68 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 20:46
Melvyn Bragg doing a South Bank Show (The Late Show - isn't that Mark Lawson?) on Arsene Wenger?
Not so far fetched as Melvyn is a Gooner (although still also a supporter of Carlisle, where he is from).
I don't personally see why Arsene should necessarily be held up as some sort of post modern romantic.
Unless it is possible to be both post modern and pragmatic?
I think the way he gets us to play is quite practical and efficient. Because, quite simply, the object of the game is to score more goals than the opposition and it stands to reason that a) you have a better chance of scoring if you have the ball and b) while you have the ball the opposition can't score.
We have proved a) this season by the possession stats and the number of goals we have scored and would have proved b) if Manuel wasn't suffering a crisis of confidence and practically every other crisis he can lay his hands on (it's about the only thing he can hold onto).
And weren't those post modern lot always skint?
Arsene Wenger should be potless by now having blown his money on bits of fluff like Benitez has at Liverpool (Johnson, Aquillani, Babel etc.).
Instead, Arsene takes the sensible route by not spending what he doesn't have.
That's hardly the epitome of a madcap Frenchman is it?
In fact, thinking about it, maybe it's Benitez who's the post modern one.
After all, he is trying to achieve success by signing mostly sh*te players, picking the wrong team, using the wrong tactics and making the wrong substitutions.
Not so far fetched as Melvyn is a Gooner (although still also a supporter of Carlisle, where he is from).
I don't personally see why Arsene should necessarily be held up as some sort of post modern romantic.
Unless it is possible to be both post modern and pragmatic?
I think the way he gets us to play is quite practical and efficient. Because, quite simply, the object of the game is to score more goals than the opposition and it stands to reason that a) you have a better chance of scoring if you have the ball and b) while you have the ball the opposition can't score.
We have proved a) this season by the possession stats and the number of goals we have scored and would have proved b) if Manuel wasn't suffering a crisis of confidence and practically every other crisis he can lay his hands on (it's about the only thing he can hold onto).
And weren't those post modern lot always skint?
Arsene Wenger should be potless by now having blown his money on bits of fluff like Benitez has at Liverpool (Johnson, Aquillani, Babel etc.).
Instead, Arsene takes the sensible route by not spending what he doesn't have.
That's hardly the epitome of a madcap Frenchman is it?
In fact, thinking about it, maybe it's Benitez who's the post modern one.
After all, he is trying to achieve success by signing mostly sh*te players, picking the wrong team, using the wrong tactics and making the wrong substitutions.
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Bring back stepanovs! (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 21:04
all very true.still wish we'd win a f@cking trophy though
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: celine dion (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 21:14
Quote:Simon68
Melvyn Bragg doing a South Bank Show (The Late Show - isn't that Mark Lawson?) on Arsene Wenger?
Not so far fetched as Melvyn is a Gooner (although still also a supporter of Carlisle, where he is from).
I don't personally see why Arsene should necessarily be held up as some sort of post modern romantic.
Unless it is possible to be both post modern and pragmatic?
I think the way he gets us to play is quite practical and efficient. Because, quite simply, the object of the game is to score more goals than the opposition and it stands to reason that a) you have a better chance of scoring if you have the ball and b) while you have the ball the opposition can't score.
We have proved a) this season by the possession stats and the number of goals we have scored and would have proved b) if Manuel wasn't suffering a crisis of confidence and practically every other crisis he can lay his hands on (it's about the only thing he can hold onto).
And weren't those post modern lot always skint?
Arsene Wenger should be potless by now having blown his money on bits of fluff like Benitez has at Liverpool (Johnson, Aquillani, Babel etc.).
Instead, Arsene takes the sensible route by not spending what he doesn't have.
That's hardly the epitome of a madcap Frenchman is it?
In fact, thinking about it, maybe it's Benitez who's the post modern one.
After all, he is trying to achieve success by signing mostly sh*te players, picking the wrong team, using the wrong tactics and making the wrong substitutions.
I'll get me coat.
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Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 23:33
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Date: 15/01/2010 23:37
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: karsene16 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2010 23:52
I didn't get one word of that Merl.
Simon, nice to see you back but this...
All very true but we would have a lot of teams passing the ball from fullback to fullback if keeping the ball was the answer.
As a passing possession team you need a certain art to your football, which Wenger has.
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Simon, nice to see you back but this...
Quote:a) you have a better chance of scoring if you have the ball and b) while you have the ball the opposition can't score.
All very true but we would have a lot of teams passing the ball from fullback to fullback if keeping the ball was the answer.
As a passing possession team you need a certain art to your football, which Wenger has.
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Date: 16/01/2010 00:10
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Date: 16/01/2010 00:18
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Date: 16/01/2010 00:39
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Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2010 00:42
I dont think hecht is tom. there is a good debate on here lets keep off the personal stuff
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
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Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2010 00:46
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Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2010 01:34
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010:01:16:15:03:37 by Merlion96.
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: celine dion (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2010 07:57
I take exception to your insinuations in certain posts here merlion. Leave me out of all this sort of bollocks and erase the comments please.
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2010 09:31
Merlion,
I know you are joking and winding up Tom but if you read your comments on Celine, though probably not your intent, they could be interpreted as libellous. Liberty should never be mistaken for licence so please remove those words.
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
I know you are joking and winding up Tom but if you read your comments on Celine, though probably not your intent, they could be interpreted as libellous. Liberty should never be mistaken for licence so please remove those words.
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2010 11:12
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010:01:16:15:04:30 by Merlion96.
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: celine dion (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2010 11:34
I havent decided to act as a mentor for anyone mate. Its the f*cking internet not school. Toms on facebook so am I and we like the same music. Sometimes he's a c*ck on here and when he is I ignore him. Ive had enough of all this childish sh*t on here, people getting too wrapped up in slagging each other off. Its supposed to be fun. I wont be posting on here again for a long time.
thanks
thanks
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: AJ The Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2010 11:46
Celine Dion:
Are you the great celine dion the excellent vocalist?
Frankly this is the first time i've read a frank explanation of Wenger and his madness.
THEATRE OF ABSURDS; That is exactly the words that best explain this inherent madness. this is just the perfect explaination i can think of that explains wengers gradual descent to what it is he is hearding to.
like you pointed out, he may have the last laugh, but really for me,HE IS IN AN ADVANCED STATE OF SELF DENIAL.every action of his points towards that. he sees what he wants to see, he believes vehemently in what he wants to believe, and the list goes on and on................
GUNNERS 4 LIFE!!
Are you the great celine dion the excellent vocalist?
Frankly this is the first time i've read a frank explanation of Wenger and his madness.
THEATRE OF ABSURDS; That is exactly the words that best explain this inherent madness. this is just the perfect explaination i can think of that explains wengers gradual descent to what it is he is hearding to.
like you pointed out, he may have the last laugh, but really for me,HE IS IN AN ADVANCED STATE OF SELF DENIAL.every action of his points towards that. he sees what he wants to see, he believes vehemently in what he wants to believe, and the list goes on and on................
GUNNERS 4 LIFE!!
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2010 11:47
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010:01:16:15:05:19 by Merlion96.
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2010 12:05
Merlion,
thanks for removing, but its not for me to endorse your comments. I agree with some things on this board and disagree with others. It is my role to protect the integrity of the discussion.
That means making sure that posters are not unfairly abusing each other.
There is a risk that banter can become more important than the issues.
It would be a pity if this excellent article and most of the discussion was obscured by posters slagging each other off.
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
thanks for removing, but its not for me to endorse your comments. I agree with some things on this board and disagree with others. It is my role to protect the integrity of the discussion.
That means making sure that posters are not unfairly abusing each other.
There is a risk that banter can become more important than the issues.
It would be a pity if this excellent article and most of the discussion was obscured by posters slagging each other off.
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Hecht (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2010 13:21
So I'm not the first who thinks you're boring and self absorbed? Who's Tom? He must really have gotten under your skin?
Chill merlio. I just don't like people waffling after such good work from CD.
Chill merlio. I just don't like people waffling after such good work from CD.
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Simon68 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2010 13:53
F*ck me you lot.
Calm down. It's only opinions. No need for the animosity and throwing the toys out.
Celine Dion wrote an excellent article which has prompted a good discussion. Why can't it just be left there, instead of degenerating into a slanging match?
The main reasons why I didn't post for so long were because there was a lot of immaturity in the way certain people on here reacted to each little setback on the pitch and and the way people acted towards each other like they were in the school playground.
This used to be a forum for grown-ups.
Lets get it back that way, please.
Calm down. It's only opinions. No need for the animosity and throwing the toys out.
Celine Dion wrote an excellent article which has prompted a good discussion. Why can't it just be left there, instead of degenerating into a slanging match?
The main reasons why I didn't post for so long were because there was a lot of immaturity in the way certain people on here reacted to each little setback on the pitch and and the way people acted towards each other like they were in the school playground.
This used to be a forum for grown-ups.
Lets get it back that way, please.
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: karsene16 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2010 14:00
Quote:celine dion
I havent decided to act as a mentor for anyone mate. Its the f*cking internet not school. Toms on facebook so am I and we like the same music. Sometimes he's a c*ck on here and when he is I ignore him. Ive had enough of all this childish sh*t on here, people getting too wrapped up in slagging each other off. Its supposed to be fun. I wont be posting on here again for a long time.
thanks
Sorry mate but your facebook pal started the slagging off, It's come to the stage that we all feared. Never have i seen the word retard used so often by a poster because of someones point of view.
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Posted by: AJ The Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2010 14:30
Quote:karsene16Quote:celine dion
I havent decided to act as a mentor for anyone mate. Its the f*cking internet not school. Toms on facebook so am I and we like the same music. Sometimes he's a c*ck on here and when he is I ignore him. Ive had enough of all this childish sh*t on here, people getting too wrapped up in slagging each other off. Its supposed to be fun. I wont be posting on here again for a long time.
thanks
Sorry mate but your facebook pal started the slagging off, It's come to the stage that we all feared. Never have i seen the word retard used so often by a poster because of someones point of view.
spot on. Tom14 posts are very annoying and acts like he knows it all which bothers on baseless arrogance. his posts ticks me off majority of the times he posts
GUNNERS 4 LIFE!!
Re: Wengers' Theatre of the Absurd First Post Modern Manager P2
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2010 16:44
A good offer Tom and accepted in the spirit it is given, so lets have a truce and discuss the issues.
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
The game is about Glory. It is about doing things in style with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom".
Danny Blanchflower
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