Quote:aktrfc
We can't get beat. 4 points from 9 including the 2 bottom clubs, unthinkable.
Quote:TranmereFan
That's what happens when you drop Harris for Mekki ! didnt need to change it.
Quote:not an early season freak for me, simply the fact we've had the rub of the green with a couple of late winners and mostly played sides that have no intention of attacking us. No suprise for me this. I personally think we are in trouble and all the signs have been there from the games I have watched at PP.DevonExile
Never change a winning side unless it is a struggling winning side.The defeat is no surprise after the last couple of games.Is this just a brief dip or have early results been the typical early season freak? September could be a defining month for us
Quote:Deadly Submarine
Never change a winning team. I Always say it and stick by it now.
No coincidence that today happened after the change in starting XI for me.
Quote:Doogie'sGhost
I don't understand the logic of switching to 2 wingers away from home against a strong side. To me this was a game tailor made for the way we have been setting up.
Quote:aktrfc
Why shouldn't we walk the league? Is that not a positive.
Quote:oh, for heaven's sake. Alder shot are now 3rd so hardly a bad team. I would have thought a long time rover would have more patience , I have been following them for over 50 years. Still, there are a lot on here who aren't happy unless complaining. Note the lack of posts on the manager of month thread.....LongTimeRover
Rubbish. Last 2 games awful we need to add more depth in midfield LB snd RB simply not good enough and a wake up call to all who think we'll @#$%& this league
Quote:aktrfc
Wasn't there, but Wirral fm said Mekki was playing down the middle? Not a big fan of him, but the kids love him
Quote:853OKGQuote:oh, for heaven's sake. Alder shot are now 3rd so hardly a bad team. I would have thought a long time rover would have more patience , I have been following them for over 50 years. Still, there are a lot on here who aren't happy unless complaining. Note the lack of posts on the manager of month thread.....LongTimeRover
Rubbish. Last 2 games awful we need to add more depth in midfield LB snd RB simply not good enough and a wake up call to all who think we'll @#$%& this league
Quote:Deadly SubmarineQuote:Doogie'sGhost
I don't understand the logic of switching to 2 wingers away from home against a strong side. To me this was a game tailor made for the way we have been setting up.
Don't worry Doogie at least certain groups of fans will have been pleased we went with width at least. Look where that got us though!
Quote:2 the moon
Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.
However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.
Quote:swap GTF for Connor and Higdon for Cook and that's about all your getting progression wise.HiggosbootsQuote:2 the moon
Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.
However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.
Pretty spot on
Quote:2 the moonQuote:swap GTF for Connor and Higdon for Cook and that's about all your getting progression wise.HiggosbootsQuote:2 the moon
Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.
However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.
Pretty spot on
Quote:aktrfc
I'll have a word with Mark, Higgo and moon as directors of football
Quote:TRFCJGregz
Wasn't at the Aldershot game but here are some thoughts.
It is one defeat so let's keep it in perspective and see how Brabin and the team respond to the set back. We could see Aldershot in a different light if the team respond well and string together some wins.
However, there have been warning signs this was coming. We were poor against Southport and only able to beat Guiseley by one goal. The big problem is we're not scoring enough goals!
When Gary Johnson took over at Cheltenham in March 2015 he went on record that his first priority was to bring in goal scorers because you need about 100 goals to win automatic promotion from this league. Brabin did well in the summer with his transfers but the team doesn't seem to be clicking. Is it formation? Is it man management? Who knows.
Here are some thoughts,
- Our tempo in matches appears to be too slow. Teams playing against us have time to get themselves organised. Just think back to the 1st half display vs. Southport.
- Brabin seems to use substitutes very late in the game. This means they have very little time to come on and impact the game.
- We always seem to be looking for the perfect ball and take one touch too many and make one pass too many. One of the culprits is Norwood.
- Just an opinion but Norwood seems to be a bit lethargic now he's been asked to move out wide to accommodate Cooky. Not much tracking back which you need when you play 4-3-3 otherwise the 3 in midfield can get over run.
- After a great start Connor Jennings' form seems to have dipped. Don't know why!
Quote:2 the moon
Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.
However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.
Quote:TRFCJGregz
Wasn't at the Aldershot game but here are some thoughts.
It is one defeat so let's keep it in perspective and see how Brabin and the team respond to the set back. We could see Aldershot in a different light if the team respond well and string together some wins.
However, there have been warning signs this was coming. We were poor against Southport and only able to beat Guiseley by one goal. The big problem is we're not scoring enough goals!
When Gary Johnson took over at Cheltenham in March 2015 he went on record that his first priority was to bring in goal scorers because you need about 100 goals to win automatic promotion from this league. Brabin did well in the summer with his transfers but the team doesn't seem to be clicking. Is it formation? Is it man management? Who knows.
Here are some thoughts,
- Our tempo in matches appears to be too slow. Teams playing against us have time to get themselves organised. Just think back to the 1st half display vs. Southport.
- Brabin seems to use substitutes very late in the game. This means they have very little time to come on and impact the game.
- We always seem to be looking for the perfect ball and take one touch too many and make one pass too many. One of the culprits is Norwood.
- Just an opinion but Norwood seems to be a bit lethargic now he's been asked to move out wide to accommodate Cooky. Not much tracking back which you need when you play 4-3-3 otherwise the 3 in midfield can get over run.
- After a great start Connor Jennings' form seems to have dipped. Don't know why!
Quote:I've got loads of patients but we were@#$%&on Monday and worse today. We lack quality in areas, I'm not being negative just realistic. Well done aldershot 👏853OKGQuote:oh, for heaven's sake. Alder shot are now 3rd so hardly a bad team. I would have thought a long time rover would have more patience , I have been following them for over 50 years. Still, there are a lot on here who aren't happy unless complaining. Note the lack of posts on the manager of month thread.....LongTimeRover
Rubbish. Last 2 games awful we need to add more depth in midfield LB snd RB simply not good enough and a wake up call to all who think we'll @#$%& this league
Quote:sorry don't agree with that. I personally don't think this defeat is a good thing in any sense. Also rather than relieve any pressure I feel it will do the opposite and heap it on in bucketloads. Aldershot are clearly a decent side and have made a good solid start so in that sense you could say this was our first test against a potential rival and by everything I've heard and read we were found wanting. Ok their 3rd sounded like a worldy by a center back and you can't really compensate for that but the fact we were again low scoring is a massive concern for me. I will say we look like we are capable of imoroving on last seasons total and getting a play off spot and of course that would be fantastic but if we have to spend the season watching 1 or 2 pull away I fear the any feel good factor will dissipate. Tranmere as an attacking unit are clearly off the pace compared to the other pace setters. To much emphasis on defence is perhaps shackeling any creativity. Who knows but I will say I'm only being 'negative' as I have genuine concerns about our progression from last season.Phil65Quote:2 the moon
Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.
However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.
It's a good thing in the sense that it stops the quotes of "we're top of the league", "we're unbeaten" which deflects the focus away from some of the performances and any progress that has been made. I actually agree with your observations about lack of goals, being laboured and running out of ideas. Still too early to make judgements about our final position in the league as we have a tough road ahead but certainly room for improvement. On another point, honest appraisals being called a meltdown seems a bit dramatic as posters have been expressing concerns consistently, even when winning, if you agree with them or not.
Quote:Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???Deadly Submarine
We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
Quote:kennyspintQuote:Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???Deadly Submarine
We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
Quote:That's fair enough sub. You watched the game and are clearly in a better position to point to the fact we played better today. But my point would be we had to. Those to Bank holiday games were against very poor oposition imo. Two teams that have 5 points between them and look inctesingly like relegation material and indeed cannon fodder to anyone with genuine aspirations this season. Today was different we played a potential rival and a team also in a vein of form and we got turned over seemingly for all the usual reasons.Deadly SubmarineQuote:kennyspintQuote:Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???Deadly Submarine
We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.
My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.
Quote:apart from winning 6 drawing 1 and losing one of first 8', no we haven't done better than last season.2 the moon
Same old, same old. yes we've won 6 but we have not progressed from last season one bit
Quote:Hoots Mon
We undeservedly got beat after playing as well between minutes 30-70 as any time I've seen this season.We were awful for first 30 minutes
Quote:Deadly SubmarineQuote:Hoots Mon
We undeservedly got beat after playing as well between minutes 30-70 as any time I've seen this season.We were awful for first 30 minutes
Completely agree with this Hoots. Annoying that we took 20 minutes to wake up and get going but boy were we good when we did!
After that a stupid foul by Maynard that he didn't need to do for the Penalty and a great goal that only goes in once in every 100 efforts was the difference!
Sorry to hear about the train as well. I knew some guys who were also on the train and still hadn't left Euston by about 9pm.
It was no better on the roads though. We went via the M25 where we were stuck for an hour then a stoppage on the M6 followed by a total closure which we avoided by coming off.
Coupled with my half hour drive home from Prenton Park when I was dropped off I was home just the right side of 11pm!
Quote:Deadly SubmarineQuote:kennyspintQuote:Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???Deadly Submarine
We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.
My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.
Quote:Old Rover
Does it really make any difference if we played well, we lost 3-1. To me it is more of a worry when we play a good side and play well but still lose. Is GB making the same mistake as last season by playing players out of position, Mekki in the middle.Maynard at right back, Nors out wide. I'm asking a question not making a statement
Quote:2 the moonQuote:That's fair enough sub. You watched the game and are clearly in a better position to point to the fact we played better today. But my point would be we had to. Those to Bank holiday games were against very poor oposition imo. Two teams that have 5 points between them and look inctesingly like relegation material and indeed cannon fodder to anyone with genuine aspirations this season. Today was different we played a potential rival and a team also in a vein of form and we got turned over seemingly for all the usual reasons.Deadly SubmarineQuote:kennyspintQuote:Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???Deadly Submarine
We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.
My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.
Quote:Hoots MonQuote:2 the moonQuote:That's fair enough sub. You watched the game and are clearly in a better position to point to the fact we played better today. But my point would be we had to. Those to Bank holiday games were against very poor oposition imo. Two teams that have 5 points between them and look inctesingly like relegation material and indeed cannon fodder to anyone with genuine aspirations this season. Today was different we played a potential rival and a team also in a vein of form and we got turned over seemingly for all the usual reasons.Deadly SubmarineQuote:kennyspintQuote:Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???Deadly Submarine
We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.
My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.
Agreed Hoots
We did not get turned over ''for all the usual reasons'' at all. We played well apart from the firat twenty to thirty minutes and did not deserve to lose. It all turned on the penalty-if people who didn't go don't believe that,so be it. Other than shrug my shoulders there's not much else I can say.
Quote:TRFCJGregz
Wasn't at the Aldershot game but here are some thoughts.
It is one defeat so let's keep it in perspective and see how Brabin and the team respond to the set back. We could see Aldershot in a different light if the team respond well and string together some wins.
However, there have been warning signs this was coming. We were poor against Southport and only able to beat Guiseley by one goal. The big problem is we're not scoring enough goals!
When Gary Johnson took over at Cheltenham in March 2015 he went on record that his first priority was to bring in goal scorers because you need about 100 goals to win automatic promotion from this league. Brabin did well in the summer with his transfers but the team doesn't seem to be clicking. Is it formation? Is it man management? Who knows.
Here are some thoughts,
- Our tempo in matches appears to be too slow. Teams playing against us have time to get themselves organised. Just think back to the 1st half display vs. Southport.
- Brabin seems to use substitutes very late in the game. This means they have very little time to come on and impact the game.
- We always seem to be looking for the perfect ball and take one touch too many and make one pass too many. One of the culprits is Norwood.
- Just an opinion but Norwood seems to be a bit lethargic now he's been asked to move out wide to accommodate Cooky. Not much tracking back which you need when you play 4-3-3 otherwise the 3 in midfield can get over run.
- After a great start Connor Jennings' form seems to have dipped. Don't know why!