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Discussion started by rossb07 (IP Logged), 16 July, 2018 18:39
rossb07
rossb07
16 July, 2018 18:39
Just seen that they've signed Danny Lloyd.

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Combined with the other transfers and bringing Alexander in, they're looking set to try and go up at the first time of asking.

As good as it may be to be a fan of theirs right now (1.6K average attendance last season), will they fair better in the FL with FFP? They must be able to pull some strings with sponsorship if they complete their goal.

I would say they're the new FGR but i don't remember them splashing out this much in such a short space of time.

Fiftyyearsarover
Fiftyyearsarover
16 July, 2018 19:37
You only have to look at the owners Ross wealthy Man U Legends firms will be queuing up to sponsor them ,football League fast approaching for them .can attract really good players

paulbyron
paulbyron
17 July, 2018 09:53
the lad they signed from Macclesfield I think was whittaker reportedly on £3 grand a week so can only wonder what Lloyd is on

Hoots Mon
Hoots Mon
17 July, 2018 16:45
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paulbyron
the lad they signed from Macclesfield I think was whittaker reportedly on £3 grand a week so can only wonder what Lloyd is on

Whitehead

rossb07
rossb07
17 July, 2018 16:53
Just had a browse and the only references i can find for Whitehead's wage are in the region of 1k, which is just shy of double what he was on last season.

I'd imagine if anyone was on 3k then it'd be Lloyd but i'm unsure what he was on at Posh.

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hong kong rover
17 July, 2018 17:00
Whitaker is still at Macc.

paulbyron
paulbyron
17 July, 2018 18:39
apologies for getting my whitakers & whiteheads mixed up the sum quoted was on the chester forum so not gospel

Aldo'smuzzy
Aldo'smuzzy
17 July, 2018 21:25
Lloyd on £4K a week at Salford, after describing his £80k salary at Posh as "peanuts", if this article is to be believed: [trainingground.guru]

pez
pez
17 July, 2018 21:39
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Aldo'smuzzy
Lloyd on £4K a week at Salford, after describing his £80k salary at Posh as "peanuts", if this article is to be believed: [trainingground.guru]

Going to suffer if they win promotion and have to abide by the financial fair play rules in the Football League.

How can they justify those wages in Conference Football?

More fool them for paying it!

Looks like they are trying to buy their way into the F.L?

For the record, if Lloyd is that good, then why is he plying his trade in non league football? Obviously just there for the pay cheque and has no real ambition.

rossb07
rossb07
17 July, 2018 22:14
You could say that Salford are more ambitious than the majority of clubs in the FL.

He will inevitably say what fans want to hear but if i was a fringe player and they came calling then a pay-rise, 1st team football, potential chance to win a league and score a hatful of goals.

Sign me up...

I get and agree with what you're saying though from the outside looking in.

jal jal
jal jal
17 July, 2018 22:22
It will only make the rest of the teams more determined than ever to take points off them.
The National League as we all know is a hard league to get out of, and definitely much harder than both the National North & South leagues.
So we'll wait and see how good they really are.

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Matt34
17 July, 2018 22:41
That sort of spending could come back to bite them on the proverbial.



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

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hong kong rover
18 July, 2018 06:45
Quote:
pez
Quote:
Aldo'smuzzy
Lloyd on £4K a week at Salford, after describing his £80k salary at Posh as "peanuts", if this article is to be believed: [trainingground.guru]

Going to suffer if they win promotion and have to abide by the financial fair play rules in the Football League.

How can they justify those wages in Conference Football?

More fool them for paying it!

Looks like they are trying to buy their way into the F.L?

For the record, if Lloyd is that good, then why is he plying his trade in non league football? Obviously just there for the pay cheque and has no real ambition.

+1

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hong kong rover
18 July, 2018 06:49
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Matt34
That sort of spending could come back to bite them on the proverbial.

+1 i agree Matt, and i hope it does.

DCTRFC
DCTRFC
18 July, 2018 11:50
Salford 7/1 to win NL seems quite a decent bet



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mrGr33n13
mrGr33n13
18 July, 2018 13:09
Where have you seen that?

I got on at 5s but that was the outlet most are at 3s last time I looked

@ 7s I'd be steaming in

trfc-boi
trfc-boi
18 July, 2018 15:07
They have signed Adam Rooney from Aberdeen today

rossb07
rossb07
18 July, 2018 15:44
Is that confirmed now? Definitely saw a few threads about it being close but nothing confirmed by either club yet.

TimmySoft
TimmySoft
18 July, 2018 15:44
It looks like they’re constructing a league ready side, so for the 19/20 season, with the regulations they won’t have to bring in many.

They’ll find the VNL tough though, there’s 10 sides in that league, that given a good run could gain promotion, the likes of Fylde, Ebbsfleet, Wrexham, Aldershot, Sutton and Dover will all be pushing for it and with Bromley, Borehamwood, Barnet, Chesterfield and Eastleigh in there too, it’s a far more competitive league than last years.

Jack of all Trades
Jack of all Trades
18 July, 2018 16:02
Money talks then?

Whilst the SPL isn't everyone's cup of tea, to move from Aberdeen to Salford really is chasing the cash. I think the Dons average gate last season was 12 to 14,000 against 1,600 for Salford?

Adam Rooney has a good goal scoring record for Aberdeen and was under contract so a substantial fee involved?

pez
pez
18 July, 2018 16:13
Football League players often struggle in the VNL.

Its a different style of football and despite all their spending , they may still fail to gain promotion.

As we well know, not many teams keep the ball on the grass and play proper football, so unless their new signings are all 6ft plus, they will find it hard.

trfc-boi
trfc-boi
18 July, 2018 16:24
Confirmed...Adam Rooney signed for Salford

Loyden1
Loyden1
18 July, 2018 16:47
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trfc-boi
Confirmed...Adam Rooney signed for Salford
I'm sure he will love Borehamwood solihull gateshead etc be like scottish league. 2.

Higgosboots
Higgosboots
18 July, 2018 18:27
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pez
Football League players often struggle in the VNL.
Its a different style of football and despite all their spending , they may still fail to gain promotion.

As we well know, not many teams keep the ball on the grass and play proper football, so unless their new signings are all 6ft plus, they will find it hard.

Not so sure, personally I think the way out is to sign a League 1 side, given the calibre of the owners I would be fairly sure their managerial recruitment would be based on a sound knowledge of what they need along with their recruitment. I also think they may not actually be targeting promotion at the first go, they are switched on blokes and I’m sure fully understand the impact of FFP. I suspect their plan maywell be to spend big Now away from FFP, accrue a squad capable of flying through the divisions once out of NL, which at the same time generates interest around the club, the better the players the more fans will flock in, the more sponsorship and other revenue strands they can generate in terms of FFP, they will in good time fly past us and on up the ladder.

Jack of all Trades
Jack of all Trades
18 July, 2018 18:45
Even a 200% increase in the fan base only gives them 4,800 per game and I think the ground capacity is 6,000.

Their most recent ground improvements scheme found significant local opposition to the plans. Consequently, I would suggest at some point, they will have to move elsewhere to maintain any momentum generated.

The big "What if" the class of 1992 loose interest?



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Higgosboots
Higgosboots
18 July, 2018 18:48
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Jack of all Trades
Even a 200% increase in the fan base only gives them 4,800 per game and I think the ground capacity is 6,000.
Their most recent ground improvements scheme found significant local opposition to the plans. Consequently, I would suggest at some point, they will have to move elsewhere to maintain any momentum generated.

The big "What if" the class of 1992 loose interest?

It’s their club a team heart though isn’t it, that’s why they bought it, I can see maybe a ground share with Salford of the AJ Bell, Lang the lines of Wigan, 12k capacity I believe.

rossb07
rossb07
18 July, 2018 19:26
Peter Lim is the majority shareholder of Salford and in my eyes the only real reason they have such a potent power to spend.

The 5 ex-players seem to want to continue this as their way of a continual revenue stream for the remainder of their lives so don't expect them to back out any time soon.

jal jal
jal jal
18 July, 2018 19:35
I would also imagine Hartlepool & Leyton Orient will be waiting patiently to knock them down to size along with Barnett & Chesterfield

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Matt34
18 July, 2018 23:50
Lim has 50% of the shareholding and the ex United crew have 10% each.

If they all had 20% and Lim was not involved; I suspect there's no way they would be where they are now, as the 5 ex United players getting involved could possibly have generated some added revenue from gates, sponsors and maybe a top up from personal funds, but I wouldn't be surprised if that had gotten the fan base up from 40 to around 10 times that, with possibly 2 promotions at best by now,

Anything more than that would have been possibly a bonus, but Lim has clearly allowed them to exceed beyond that kind of spending and fan base level.



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

TwelfthofMay-ResurrectionDay
TwelfthofMay-ResurrectionDay
19 July, 2018 13:16
Quote:
Jack of all Trades
Even a 200% increase in the fan base only gives them 4,800 per game and I think the ground capacity is 6,000.
Their most recent ground improvements scheme found significant local opposition to the plans. Consequently, I would suggest at some point, they will have to move elsewhere to maintain any momentum generated.

The big "What if" the class of 1992 loose interest?

There's a half-way decent stadium just up the road from them which, with the historic player connections, shouldn't take much effort to arrange a groundshare (Sm100)

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Matt34
20 July, 2018 00:07
Well yeah, one of the Neville's did play for Everton, so yeah I'm sure Bill Kenwright would oblige (Sm7)

Although obviously you didn't mean that ground.



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

martyd12
martyd12
20 July, 2018 08:36
I see there has been a huge spat on Twitter between the Chairmen of Accrington Stanley and Salford with the Accrington Chairman criticising the way Salford are trying to buy their way into the League.

DevonExile
DevonExile
20 July, 2018 09:21
To a degree we did the same thing in at the start of the PJ era. History suggests that it is rarely sustainable. It could well lead to promotion to the league but once FP regs bite in it is harder. Teams that have a history build up a core of diehard supporters that stay with a club through bad times.Salford do not have that and unlike the equally manufactured MK Dons is surrounded by long established clubs. If,once in the league,they struggle attendances are likely to quickly drop away.It has all the hallmarks of Rushden Dymonds

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Doogie'sGhost
20 July, 2018 09:51
To be fair I don't think we did. Not on anything like the same level. Who did we really buy before we got to Div 1 - Harvey and Steel? That was about it in terms of buying up the best players, although they were key signings and the best available at our current level (which is also important, we didn't catapult players into a much lower standard). The rest were either out of non-league, our youth set up, or free transfers like McNab.

What PJ's cash did give us was the chance to offer good wage levels that would attract players here and, more importantly, keep the youngsters here when bigger clubs enquired. We already had much of the fan base, it was more a case of giving them a reason to come back. We were never big spenders aside from that early burst and later on we offered a chance of something special to players who had probably had their last shot with a really big club.

rossb07
rossb07
20 July, 2018 09:56
Just been looking into FFP and id Lim or any of the 5 wanted to then one of their other owned companies/ ventures can just make a hefty 'donation' to the club or sponsor the cluband it's fair game.

So FFP may not be all that restricting.

Also, we see alot about the spending but they're doing some brilliant things for the longevity of the club as a whole including;

- The academy was set up last season with three age groups now involved. Club didn't have one before.

- In the process of starting a women’s team.

- Foundation is currently being set up and the club is currently working local schools and help with other local initiatives.

- Jobs have been created for plenty of people from first team, academy, foundation, bar staff, ground staff and more.

- Subsidise all away travel for fans.

- All original committee members are still involved and original ST holders get special low prices.

- Cheapest ticket prices in the league.


Could be doing a lot worse in my opinion, and not as bad as first thought.

Jack of all Trades
Jack of all Trades
20 July, 2018 10:00
Once the owner of Doc Martins (forgotten his name?) announced he would no longer bank roll the club their demise was swift.

I believe the new ground create has also been bulldozed?

If the FGR owner has a similar change of heart, a similar fate could await them?

If Salford achieve FL status and the FP rules kick in, it will prove very difficult to even maintain the salaries of players already at the club, especially on the current attendances.

Adam Rooney is reportedly on £4,000/week, that's over £200,000 of any budget, on one player. Absolutely crazy for the NL, I don't remember even Eastleigh doing that and their new owners certainly don't appear to have that sort of cash (previous money splashing owner new owner of Sunderland)

rossb07
rossb07
20 July, 2018 10:28
Lim is much richer than Stewart Donald.

Doesn't mean that they'll utilise the money as he has other ventures including Valencia, McLaren motor sports and i'm 95% sure he owns all the rights of any images of CR7.

So there's always money coming in, Salford in comparison to the other 2 sporting 'franchises' will be spending pennies.

Jack of all Trades
Jack of all Trades
14 August, 2018 17:46
Salford haven't started very well draw at home (Orient) opening day and two 2-1 away defeats (Gateshead & Sutton).

The manager Gary Alexander was particularly abrupt when interviewed after the Gateshead game.

It will be interesting to see if it is just a blip or they implode big time.

Fiftyyearsarover
Fiftyyearsarover
14 August, 2018 19:45
It’s a waste of time saying Salford are trying to buy success.thats what makes the world go round ,premier League. F1, horse racing ,you buy the best horse or the best technology for F1 you as in Life don’t get anywhere without money if you want the best or a top business or club you need money .so if you want the best for yourself in any capacity if you have the money you can have the best ,human nature.some have money ,most don’t


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