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Shopping at Primark
11 July, 2018 17:15
Listening to Mellon saying we don't have the finances other clubs have and we are having the same budget aslast season I say he's right we have to go carefully just a containing season is right we have to stay in this league now we are here.

 
Aldo'smuzzy
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Re: Shopping at Primark
11 July, 2018 17:30
Think there's a bit of psychology in MM's comments but I agree we don't want to get ahead of ourselves. First target is safety, focus only on that until it's achieved. Then aim for next target, and so on. That's been Burnley's approach and hasn't done them any harm, and I reckon we'll be OK too. But if it takes until, say, next March rather than November before we can breathe easily we shouldn't panic, the club's on a firm footing.

 
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Matt34 (IP Logged)

Re: Shopping at Primark
11 July, 2018 22:25
I don't think his comments inferred the same budget as last season, just that there was no oil and Tranmere couldn't spend big.

Logically with more TV revenue, a promotion bursary and one or two other things, the budget should be higher at least and someone reported here recently that the budget is £1,200,000, which if correct is 20% more than the last L2 budget and equal with the last L1 budget,

However to be prudent, he would hardly come straight out and say I have £100,000 more this season for wages or whatever it is, but I'd suspect there is more to spend.

Tranmere have the ability to go for a promotion, I feel, when the squad is finalised, but it would be a travesty if relegation occurred, however I feel sure relegation would be very unlikely indeed.



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

 
Aldo'smuzzy
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Re: Shopping at Primark
11 July, 2018 22:31
MM stated in the Echo before the Liverpool game that the budget was similar to last season. Either way, he's certainly keeping things downbeat.

 
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Matt34 (IP Logged)

Re: Shopping at Primark
11 July, 2018 22:37
Similar, so perhaps just enough extra cash to pay Cooks replacement an extra £1 a week and another 10p a goal then (Sm6)

If the player is a red hot player, that should net him around £2.50 - £3.00 in goal bonus money this season, for that alone never mind the assist bonuses at 10p extra as well,



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

 
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hong kong rover (IP Logged)

Re: Shopping at Primark
11 July, 2018 22:42
primark wish we had one in hk.. cant complain one bit about their dead cheap undies n socks. went down primark in oxford st when i was back for borehamwood final to stock up on skids n socks lol

 
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TranmereFan (IP Logged)

Re: Shopping at Primark
11 July, 2018 22:42
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Similar, so perhaps just enough extra cash to pay Cooks replacement an extra £1 a week and another 10p a goal then (Sm6)
If the player is a red hot player, that should net him around £2.50 - £3.00 in goal bonus money this season, for that alone never mind the assist bonuses at 10p extra as well,

That’s a 3 pack of boxies at primark innit? worth it.

 
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Re: Shopping at Primark
11 July, 2018 23:56
I admit I was never MM's biggest fan but to say we have the same budget as last year cannot be true surely? It maybe is a cash flow thing but i understand we have almost £1m more revenue than last year...

Otherwise I don't like to hear excuses about no money before a ball has been kicked- sure we will never be the "money bags" club but MP has already said we will be targeting going up and we would have a competitive budget!!...

 
Cybertron
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Re: Shopping at Primark
12 July, 2018 09:26
To some extent he has to manage expectations of fans, who might assume we are going to sign half a dozen high profile players. It is also not a great idea to let the selling clubs know you have pots of money to throw around.

 
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Re: Shopping at Primark
12 July, 2018 11:44
Yes Cyber I agree with that... what I was getting at is I just can't believe the budget is not more than last year's so if it is then why say that.... that detracts from the relevant points of the interview which I am sure is correct in that we will not be able to spend as much money as the big money clubs..

 
mrGr33n13
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Re: Shopping at Primark
12 July, 2018 12:00
Gate receipts will be roughly the same.

Money from the league will go up, but then BT won't be paying us for ~2-3 live games.

Costs might rise due to player wages increasing, bonus payments, extra staff coaches etc.

Also theres a difference in the budget literally being the same abd the phrase meaning that it won't be disproportionately bigger than last year

 
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Matt34 (IP Logged)

Re: Shopping at Primark
12 July, 2018 22:55
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Yes Cyber I agree with that... what I was getting at is I just can't believe the budget is not more than last year's so if it is then why say that.

Micky Mellon said the budget was similar he never said it hadn't increased.

However there is a world of difference between giving him for example, another £50,000-£100,000 a season and giving him another £800,000-£1,000,000 a season.

I would expect him to have more money, but not so that he's bringing in Mr Moneybags types of signings, that cost more than 60% of clubs in the division above can afford.

Also he would hardly be likely if the budget was quite a bit different, to brag about another £500,000 or whatever it was, even without revealing the exact total spend, otherwise that would be showing other clubs his hand to some extent, which might be similar to a poker player telling opponents that two of his 5 cards were kings, but thinking they'd never suss his potential ability to play that round, if he kept shtum on the other 3 cards.



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

 
DevonExile
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Re: Shopping at Primark
13 July, 2018 12:21
Most of Div 2 are Primark shoppers.What was not clear from Mellons statement is whether our budget is competitive with most in this league. We certainly look like starting with a smaller squad than last year.
The interesting thing for me was his reference to holding things together until post Christmas and the new window. Is it possible that there is a cash flow issue.There is money money available to league clubs but presumably the payment is lagged so we may not see immediate benefit.
Personally, I would put quality before numbers as the squad can be added to .later when the ravages of the season begin to bite

 
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Re: Shopping at Primark
13 July, 2018 12:31
I think there must be a cashflow issue as we have only just rejoined the League. Maybe the League payments we will be due don't come in until after the season starts and will almost certainly be stage payments so we need to build up over time?

 
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Matt34 (IP Logged)

Re: Shopping at Primark
13 July, 2018 18:52
He might have been intimating some possible money from China could be in the offing.



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

 
pez
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Re: Shopping at Primark
14 July, 2018 04:17
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He might have been intimating some possible money from China could be in the offing.

I have been told by a reliable source that the Chinese venture could be quite lucrative , however its a work in progress and wont have any immediate effect.

If we eventually receive the ammounts I was told, we wont need to worry too much.

Cant say too much as my source is still involved in this venture.

The way it was described to me is the we are the Official supplier for football coaching in and have been approved by the Mongolian government as that is one of Chinas biggest provinces.

Weve basically pulled off a coup and got in there before any of the Premier League Clubs!

Contracts have been drawn up and everything.

Suppose it will drip feed in and maybe were waiting on a substantial payment from them?

Just hope it comes to fruition

 
AndyMase
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Re: Shopping at Primark
14 July, 2018 08:49
Think it's always been stated that we would have a top 3rd budget, so i see it as simply restating our budget position hasnt changed. Prudent management would always keep some money available for mid way through season to cover injury or change tactics etc.

Nobody would say I'm loaded so please come and rip me off

 
paulbyron
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Re: Shopping at Primark
14 July, 2018 12:15
at least it,s an upgrade on last years shopping which must have been done in poundland !!!

 
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Re: Shopping at Primark
16 July, 2018 17:21
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at least it,s an upgrade on last years shopping which must have been done in poundland !!!

Money well spent with promotion mind you, shrewdest £3 ever spent.

 
Higgy and Yozzer
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Re: Shopping at Primark
16 July, 2018 21:37
The worry for me isn’t that we aren’t throwing money around for numerous players but just that we can’t stretch for one marquee striker signing. It’s obvious we need to do a deal for Rowe and just get it done!

 
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Re: Shopping at Primark
17 July, 2018 07:32
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The worry for me isn’t that we aren’t throwing money around for numerous players but just that we can’t stretch for one marquee striker signing. It’s obvious we need to do a deal for Rowe and just get it done!
I agree that ideally something like that is desirable. Problem with that though is what happens if he was injured in the first game? We aren't awash with cash and need to think about the January window. We also have the question mark over Pilling as in will MM consider him ready now if Davies is again out. If he doesn't then he needs a contingency to bring in another keeper who wouldn't be cheap in case Davies is out for a while...Also until Waring goes (if he does) we need to have budget to pay his wages. Suspect MP is being cautious and keeping quite a bit in the kitty for January just in case...

 
DevonExile
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Re: Shopping at Primark
17 July, 2018 09:55
Goalkeeper is one of the positions where there seem to be plenty of loan options and emergency cover is permitted after the transfer window closes.

 
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Doogie'sGhost (IP Logged)

Re: Shopping at Primark
17 July, 2018 10:07
I don't think marquee signings are either MP's or MM's way. While they might excite (some) fans they can also upset the existing squad. Just think long it took Norwood and Cook to get on the same wavelength because of their respective ego issues.

It can work if your marquee player is an Aldridge, that brings an instant gravitas to the team. Will it be the same if your marquee player is a non-league striker who has hardly kicked a ball in league football? Will he cope with the week in/week out step up in quality? Will he fit the way MM envisages playing? Will his signing upset the existing squad or create tensions? Those three questions have to be answered before you even contemplate a move for Rowe or someone like that.

 
pez
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Re: Shopping at Primark
17 July, 2018 10:30
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I don't think marquee signings are either MP's or MM's way. While they might excite (some) fans they can also upset the existing squad. Just think long it took Norwood and Cook to get on the same wavelength because of their respective ego issues.
It can work if your marquee player is an Aldridge, that brings an instant gravitas to the team. Will it be the same if your marquee player is a non-league striker who has hardly kicked a ball in league football? Will he cope with the week in/week out step up in quality? Will he fit the way MM envisages playing? Will his signing upset the existing squad or create tensions? Those three questions have to be answered before you even contemplate a move for Rowe or someone like that.

What ego issues?

As far as I am aware, Cooks issue was pay related and nothing to do with his ego?

Cook and Norwood were often pictured car sharing which hardly suggests a clash of egos to me.

One thing is for sure though, weve lost a prolific striker and dont seem to be able to replace him.

With 3 weeks to go and the impression that were skint coming from Micky, I wonder where the goals are going to come from next season?

 
DevonExile
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Re: Shopping at Primark
17 July, 2018 12:19
Much of Norwoods concerns were because he was
Payed wide whilst he believed he was better playing down the middle.Last season suggests that Norwood may have been correct. At the start of last season he was played wide and his switch was at least a factor in our improvement

 
Kennel
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Re: Shopping at Primark
17 July, 2018 12:29
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I don't think marquee signings are either MP's or MM's way. While they might excite (some) fans they can also upset the existing squad. Just think long it took Norwood and Cook to get on the same wavelength because of their respective ego issues.
It can work if your marquee player is an Aldridge, that brings an instant gravitas to the team. Will it be the same if your marquee player is a non-league striker who has hardly kicked a ball in league football? Will he cope with the week in/week out step up in quality? Will he fit the way MM envisages playing? Will his signing upset the existing squad or create tensions? Those three questions have to be answered before you even contemplate a move for Rowe or someone like that.

What ego issues?

As far as I am aware, Cooks issue was pay related and nothing to do with his ego?

Cook and Norwood were often pictured car sharing which hardly suggests a clash of egos to me.

One thing is for sure though, weve lost a prolific striker and dont seem to be able to replace him.

With 3 weeks to go and the impression that were skint coming from Micky, I wonder where the goals are going to come from next season?
Absolutely agree with Pez on this ...we have not yet been able to replace Andy Cook,a striker who scored 27 goals,many with his head, with only 3 weeks to go I fear that we are definitely light on central strikers...I hope MM proves me wrong!!

 
paulbyron
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Re: Shopping at Primark
17 July, 2018 12:40
good point but how many of his signings made any contribution towards the promotion?

 
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Re: Shopping at Primark
17 July, 2018 12:47
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good point but how many of his signings made any contribution towards the promotion?


Ollie Banks, DMH, Monthe , Cole all contributed along the way, although his Summer signings failed miserably.

Give Micky credit, his loan signings vastly improved the team and ultimately got us promoted.

 
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Re: Shopping at Primark
17 July, 2018 13:33
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I don't think marquee signings are either MP's or MM's way. While they might excite (some) fans they can also upset the existing squad. Just think long it took Norwood and Cook to get on the same wavelength because of their respective ego issues.
It can work if your marquee player is an Aldridge, that brings an instant gravitas to the team. Will it be the same if your marquee player is a non-league striker who has hardly kicked a ball in league football? Will he cope with the week in/week out step up in quality? Will he fit the way MM envisages playing? Will his signing upset the existing squad or create tensions? Those three questions have to be answered before you even contemplate a move for Rowe or someone like that.

What ego issues?

As far as I am aware, Cooks issue was pay related and nothing to do with his ego?

Cook and Norwood were often pictured car sharing which hardly suggests a clash of egos to me.

One thing is for sure though, weve lost a prolific striker and dont seem to be able to replace him.

With 3 weeks to go and the impression that were skint coming from Micky, I wonder where the goals are going to come from next season?

Have you forgotten the penalty issue? Yes, they did appear to have sorted things out last season, but they barely seemed to communicate in the first, let alone form an effective partnership. That was the point I was making.

And if we're skint how are we going to afford a marquee signing or his wages anyway? I don't believe MM said we were skint by the way, but it was surely an indicator that marquee signings aren't going to be forthcoming. We will make a few more signings, perhaps not until the season starts though.

 
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Re: Shopping at Primark
17 July, 2018 14:25
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I don't think marquee signings are either MP's or MM's way. While they might excite (some) fans they can also upset the existing squad. Just think long it took Norwood and Cook to get on the same wavelength because of their respective ego issues.
It can work if your marquee player is an Aldridge, that brings an instant gravitas to the team. Will it be the same if your marquee player is a non-league striker who has hardly kicked a ball in league football? Will he cope with the week in/week out step up in quality? Will he fit the way MM envisages playing? Will his signing upset the existing squad or create tensions? Those three questions have to be answered before you even contemplate a move for Rowe or someone like that.

What ego issues?


As far as I am aware, Cooks issue was pay related and nothing to do with his ego?

Cook and Norwood were often pictured car sharing which hardly suggests a clash of egos to me.

One thing is for sure though, weve lost a prolific striker and dont seem to be able to replace him.

With 3 weeks to go and the impression that were skint coming from Micky, I wonder where the goals are going to come from next season?

Have you forgotten the penalty issue? Yes, they did appear to have sorted things out last season, but they barely seemed to communicate in the first, let alone form an effective partnership. That was the point I was making.

And if we're skint how are we going to afford a marquee signing or his wages anyway? I don't believe MM said we were skint by the way, but it was surely an indicator that marquee signings aren't going to be forthcoming. We will make a few more signings, perhaps not until the season starts though.

You're correct, Micky didn't say were skint, he said "We haven't suddenly struck oil" which is basically the same thing is it not?

Marquee signings such as 25+ goals a season strikers are not usually free transfers (with the exception of Andy Cook) So we can more or less assume that were going to have to take a punt on a free agent coming good? A bit like Waring last Summer? Which unfortunately went Pete Tong.

We've not had many as good as Cookie over the last ten years, so finding a replacement without paying for one, is going to be one hell of a challenge.

 
paulbyron
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Re: Shopping at Primark
17 July, 2018 14:35
my reply was to Tranmere fan but reply instesd of quote [blame my age] it was his signings at the start of the season I was referring to but as you say his loan signings more than made up for those

 
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Doogie'sGhost (IP Logged)

Re: Shopping at Primark
17 July, 2018 15:03
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I don't think marquee signings are either MP's or MM's way. While they might excite (some) fans they can also upset the existing squad. Just think long it took Norwood and Cook to get on the same wavelength because of their respective ego issues.
It can work if your marquee player is an Aldridge, that brings an instant gravitas to the team. Will it be the same if your marquee player is a non-league striker who has hardly kicked a ball in league football? Will he cope with the week in/week out step up in quality? Will he fit the way MM envisages playing? Will his signing upset the existing squad or create tensions? Those three questions have to be answered before you even contemplate a move for Rowe or someone like that.

What ego issues?


As far as I am aware, Cooks issue was pay related and nothing to do with his ego?

Cook and Norwood were often pictured car sharing which hardly suggests a clash of egos to me.

One thing is for sure though, weve lost a prolific striker and dont seem to be able to replace him.

With 3 weeks to go and the impression that were skint coming from Micky, I wonder where the goals are going to come from next season?

Have you forgotten the penalty issue? Yes, they did appear to have sorted things out last season, but they barely seemed to communicate in the first, let alone form an effective partnership. That was the point I was making.

And if we're skint how are we going to afford a marquee signing or his wages anyway? I don't believe MM said we were skint by the way, but it was surely an indicator that marquee signings aren't going to be forthcoming. We will make a few more signings, perhaps not until the season starts though.

You're correct, Micky didn't say were skint, he said "We haven't suddenly struck oil" which is basically the same thing is it not?

Marquee signings such as 25+ goals a season strikers are not usually free transfers (with the exception of Andy Cook) So we can more or less assume that were going to have to take a punt on a free agent coming good? A bit like Waring last Summer? Which unfortunately went Pete Tong.

We've not had many as good as Cookie over the last ten years, so finding a replacement without paying for one, is going to be one hell of a challenge.

I'm not sure that they are the same really. Not struck oil means we can't suddenly go out and spend like crazy signing tons of players like a L2 version of Chelsea or City. Or at least it does to me. Skint means we're sorting through cast offs and can't really afford anyone else of any standard. I think we're in the middle, with a sensible budget and can bring in a few reasonably priced additions. But you're right, it is unlikely that you can replace Cook like that, although he was a free agent signing himself I think. We've probably made our bigger signings already.


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