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the kav
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Referees
13 January, 2018 21:08
No even gonna mention ours but have you guys seen the nailed on peno boro had turned down today? Worst decision I've seen for years

 
borowhite
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Re: Referees
13 January, 2018 21:49
Was there and tbh, from where I was sat, the decision for their penalty didn't look great either. We also had disagreement between the linesman and ref in the second half over a throw in.

 
the kav
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Re: Referees
13 January, 2018 21:58
Not great mate . Do you think younwill make the play offs

 
borowhite
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Re: Referees
13 January, 2018 22:19
I'm SWA mate, married a fan and live up here, hence I'm afraid I have to fraternize with the locals. Who knows on the play off front, they've got enough quality in the squad but they aren't grinding the results out that they need. Monk is a poor manager and has left them in a bit of a hole.

On the subject of refereeing listen to Darren Ferguson's radio interview today - ouch!!!

 
the kav
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Re: Referees
13 January, 2018 22:20
Just heard it.... he has a point but shouldnt have said it .

Apologies for thinking you were a smogman mate

 
borowhite
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Re: Referees
13 January, 2018 22:24
No worries pal smiling smiley

 
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Re: Referees
13 January, 2018 22:54
It’s the pain of being in this league, level 2a referees who would only qualify as an assistant ref in higher leagues is what we have to put up with...

 
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hong kong rover (IP Logged)

Re: Referees
13 January, 2018 23:04
Ive listened to Darren Ferguson's radio interview on BBC Radio Sheffield,, strong words indeed.. I also see the ref that made that appallingly bad penalty decision in that crucial World Cup qualifier Play off 1st leg between N.Ireland v Switzerland in Belfast back in November has admitted that he got it wrong and made a mistake.. Sometimes when they come out 2 months down the line and say that they made an error, just makes it worse.



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Jack of all Trades
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Re: Referees
13 January, 2018 23:53
Today appears to have been particular bad for poor decisions by officials in all 5 divisions.

 
mini_andy
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Re: Referees
14 January, 2018 07:29
I think ours was summed up when cole came off injured. He was already off when we tried making the sub (so we were down to 9 men). When the board was held up, they wouldn’t let Hughes on until our player had come off. The seemed to struggle to understand the fact that he was already off.

Eventually the ref clocked on, but the 4th official still didn’t until Micky turned him around to see Cole on the bench with a coat on.

Idiots, all 4 of them today!

 
bheadlad
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Re: Referees
15 January, 2018 05:36
Good point
Even if they discipline the fourth official my guess you wouldn’t hear about it.There is probably no transparency at the FA .The referee may also have been deemed at fault but wasn’t the assistant referee also definitively found asleep at the wheel but will get off Scott free.Its more farcical than the carry on series.MM must be driven nuts

 
coltran
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Re: Referees
15 January, 2018 14:28
No doubt about the poor standard of refereeing. However, they are only human and will make mistakes, as do players. I think the main problem is that managers, players and fans expect that all 50:50 decisions must be given in favour of their team. When do you ever hear anyone complain when the ref gives a poor decision in favour of their team? Anyone that thinks that all referees are idiots, should go to watch a game where they have no allegiance to either side. Then see the reaction of both sets of supporters, players, club officials when a 50:50 decision is made.

 
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hong kong rover (IP Logged)

Re: Referees
15 January, 2018 16:19
Has anybody seen the antics of this ref in the PSG v Nantes game? UNBELIEVABLE. The French FA have suspended him. The incident is on you tube but I don't know how to put it on to the forum, if anyone can help that would be great..

 
borowhite
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Re: Referees
15 January, 2018 21:05
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the kav
No even gonna mention ours but have you guys seen the nailed on peno boro had turned down today? Worst decision I've seen for years

Gets worse Kav, apparently the referee in question is a season ticket holding Sunderland fan.

 
borowhite
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Re: Referees
15 January, 2018 21:09
Just been clarified, he was a Sunderland season ticket holder until he was added to the Football League list.

 
the kav
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Re: Referees
15 January, 2018 22:09
Crikey borowhite, we will have big sam refereeing us next. What a stupid call by the fa

 
Yiggsy
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Re: Referees
15 January, 2018 22:11
As a former lower level referee who gave it up because of ill-informed and unjustified abuse from knobheads on the pitch and on the sidelines which I didn't think the £12 a game was sufficient compensation for, I would agree that the foul on McMulty was a yellow given that it was a 51% - 49% challenge and they both had feet up. Add to that it was 20 seconds into the game and the ref would have been slated for "spoiling the game" if he had sent the lad off.

Then comes the challenge on Rides which, imo was worse and a booking in itself which would have seen him off the field.

Cook's foot was high for his first booking and I think that was probably warranted although the Wplayers surrounding the ref and the melee didn't help. Cook's second was just a bit clumsy with no malice and should have just been a free-kick as their player was going nowhere.

Norburn smacked the ball against the head of their prostrate player and should have been given the benefit of the doubt as play was just about still live at that point, nut the ref bowed to player pressure and gave the yellow.

The shirt pull on Cook should have been yellow ... can't remember if it was given though.

It is a very difficult job when you basically have 22 players trying to cheat, managers having a go and a crowd of fans calling you a See You Enn Tea whenever you make a judgement call.

 
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Re: Referees
15 January, 2018 22:34
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hong kong rover
Has anybody seen the antics of this ref in the PSG v Nantes game? UNBELIEVABLE. The French FA have suspended him. The incident is on you tube but I don't know how to put it on to the forum, if anyone can help that would be great..

This should work ... I hope!!

[www.youtube.com]

 
Loyden1
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Re: Referees
15 January, 2018 22:38
Yiggsy. Iv looked at incident and clearly a pau goes in studs ist and mcnulty doesn't ref bottled it cos of 20sec of match gone imo.

 
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Phil65 (IP Logged)

Re: Referees
15 January, 2018 23:12
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Yiggsy
As a former lower level referee who gave it up because of ill-informed and unjustified abuse from knobheads on the pitch and on the sidelines which I didn't think the £12 a game was sufficient compensation for, I would agree that the foul on McMulty was a yellow given that it was a 51% - 49% challenge and they both had feet up. Add to that it was 20 seconds into the game and the ref would have been slated for "spoiling the game" if he had sent the lad off.
Then comes the challenge on Rides which, imo was worse and a booking in itself which would have seen him off the field.

Cook's foot was high for his first booking and I think that was probably warranted although the Wplayers surrounding the ref and the melee didn't help. Cook's second was just a bit clumsy with no malice and should have just been a free-kick as their player was going nowhere.

Norburn smacked the ball against the head of their prostrate player and should have been given the benefit of the doubt as play was just about still live at that point, nut the ref bowed to player pressure and gave the yellow.

The shirt pull on Cook should have been yellow ... can't remember if it was given though.

It is a very difficult job when you basically have 22 players trying to cheat, managers having a go and a crowd of fans calling you a See You Enn Tea whenever you make a judgement call.

What has 20 seconds into the game got to do with the decision; kind of highlights the skewed thinking and lack of safeguarding that exists. If it had happened 5 seconds into the game it should not influence the decision; it met the criteria of "A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent" and as such, should have been a red card. If you seriously think the injury was sustained by a tackle that did not endanger the opponent, then I would strongly disagree. Generalising about 22 players trying to cheat, together with your descriptive view of players, may also give an insight into the mindset of officials. It's clearly an emotive subject, but should not be swept under the carpet or justified. This will only do a disservice to all the good officials who ply their trade week in week out in an educated and conscientious manner. I don't look at this from a biased perspective as I fully agreed with the decisions to send off Norwood at Torquay and Harris against Peterborough and criticised their reckless actions. Players must pay the consequence of their actions and the punishment did not fit the crime on Saturday. I think that retrospective action regardless of action already taken by referees, would serve to help, educate and increase respect for the profession; there's also a small matter of justice as, in theory, this will also help clear the innocent as well as punish the guilty. Finally, to reflect back on the leg-breaking challenge on Vaughan last season and the decision not to give a red card, highlights a huge shortfall in the interpretation of the laws that can't be blamed on baying fans, cheating players, moaning managers. It's human to err, but it's also important to learn from your mistakes; sadly I see very little of the latter and more of a don't question officialdom attitude prevailing at this level. My new slogan for referees would be "Protection over perfection"; we can forgive you the humorous, inconsequential, nuggets of wisdom, but we need you to be our armour against assault.

 
Aldo'smuzzy
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Re: Referees
15 January, 2018 23:54
Must admit I had to look at it a couple of times before deciding it ought to have been a red. Yes it endangered an opponent but, on first look, it was a fine margin with two players going in legs up for a high ball. I like the 51/49 analogy; 49/51 then the Woking lad could have been carted off instead.

All for improving refs' performances by education and programmes of continuous improvement etc but the people running the game have got to be careful not to hang them out to dry, unless they've done something really daft like that French bloke over the weekend!

On a more general point, the refs in the National are there because they're not good enough for the League (like us!) but are better than those lower down the food chain. They could certainly be better but standards across the board are also affected by a big supply problem, and Yiggsy certainly isn't the only one who's packed up because of all the rubbish they often have to put with, especially lower down in non-league.

 
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Phil65 (IP Logged)

Re: Referees
16 January, 2018 08:10
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Must admit I had to look at it a couple of times before deciding it ought to have been a red. Yes it endangered an opponent but, on first look, it was a fine margin with two players going in legs up for a high ball. I like the 51/49 analogy; 49/51 then the Woking lad could have been carted off instead.
All for improving refs' performances by education and programmes of continuous improvement etc but the people running the game have got to be careful not to hang them out to dry, unless they've done something really daft like that French bloke over the weekend!

On a more general point, the refs in the National are there because they're not good enough for the League (like us!) but are better than those lower down the food chain. They could certainly be better but standards across the board are also affected by a big supply problem, and Yiggsy certainly isn't the only one who's packed up because of all the rubbish they often have to put with, especially lower down in non-league.

Thanks, we're agreed then, it was a red.
There's such a thing as career progression, which doesn't mean they're not good enough but, opportunities are increased by experience and consistent performance. I, personally, wouldn't write them off in such a sweeping way. I would want to give them every bit of support to assist them get things as accurate as reasonably practicable to benefit all. I guess it's easier to pass on the blame than accept responsibility. They do a thankless task, but like every walk of life there are incompetents who need weeding out or performance managed to improve.
I'd like to give another analogy: 50:50 ball where one player is intent on and wins the ball and another player just wants to put the challenge in regardless.

 
Aldo'smuzzy
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Re: Referees
16 January, 2018 08:55
We may agree it was a red, we differ in that, if seeing it only once, I can't really argue with a yellow.

Just to clarify the wider point - I'm not writing the NL refs off in a sweeping way. They're in the NL because that's where they deserve to be, but I should probably have added "at a given moment in time" because many of them are clearly just oassing through on their way to the FL and maybe Premier League list There are support systems for them and accountability mechanisms over them all the time - I don't know how good these are but I agree they're essential for raising on overall standards. But so too is a healthy supply line of refs into the game in the first place, and the numbers doing so are at worryingly low levels.

 
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hong kong rover (IP Logged)

Re: Referees
16 January, 2018 08:58
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Has anybody seen the antics of this ref in the PSG v Nantes game? UNBELIEVABLE. The French FA have suspended him. The incident is on you tube but I don't know how to put it on to the forum, if anyone can help that would be great..

This should work ... I hope!!

[www.youtube.com]

Thks GF

 
coltran
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Re: Referees
16 January, 2018 09:57
Are footballers and managers really interested in fair play or just interested in getting every decision in their favour? Answer that question and it tells you why the referee will never be seen in a good light.

 
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Phil65 (IP Logged)

Re: Referees
16 January, 2018 17:41
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Aldo'smuzzy
We may agree it was a red, we differ in that, if seeing it only once, I can't really argue with a yellow.
Just to clarify the wider point - I'm not writing the NL refs off in a sweeping way. They're in the NL because that's where they deserve to be, but I should probably have added "at a given moment in time" because many of them are clearly just oassing through on their way to the FL and maybe Premier League list There are support systems for them and accountability mechanisms over them all the time - I don't know how good these are but I agree they're essential for raising on overall standards. But so too is a healthy supply line of refs into the game in the first place, and the numbers doing so are at worryingly low levels.

Fair point. I'm giving myself a red card on this thread; I'm off!

 
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Gilbert's Fridge (IP Logged)

Re: Referees
02 February, 2018 00:45
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hong kong rover
Has anybody seen the antics of this ref in the PSG v Nantes game? UNBELIEVABLE. The French FA have suspended him. The incident is on you tube but I don't know how to put it on to the forum, if anyone can help that would be great..

This should work ... I hope!!

[www.youtube.com]

Just read that the ref in question has been given a 6 month ban.

 
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hong kong rover (IP Logged)

Re: Referees
02 February, 2018 03:27
I think its fair to say that we have all done foolish things in split second moments of madness but that French ref , what on earth was he thinking???

 
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TranmereFan (IP Logged)

Re: Referees
02 February, 2018 08:42
Looks to me as he probably always wanted to get his own back some how as this was his last season he took his chance well.


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