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The other day I made a point, responding to our friend gimpy...... that if we had Micky from the start of the season, we would be out of sight by now.
I've just done the research, and I was wrong!
P29
W19
D5
L5
Pts 62
Average 2.137 ppm
That's a season total of 98, Lincoln could finish on 103.
Let's hope and prey that we do enough in the playoffs to get out of this damn league!!
Quote:I would agree the style of play is now a lot better and more entertaining than Brabin was able to get from the team despite the huge injury problems that have hit us.Kenny_Crons
Loving the positive vibes from this thread - positivity is the key word I would associate with mickeys tenure in fact.
I live in Liverpool so talking football over here is often an instructive process on my part as most adult friends support Liverpool and Everton. The way I have spoken about us since mickey took over is laced with, and under-pinned by, positivity.
We are play off bound with a team that Brabin couldn't get a tune out of, and mickey has done that despite the additional handicap of taking over mid-season.
He has also instilled a level of professionalism and quality that has seen the team adapting from a two winger system to wing backs (including what I thought was a seamless switch to a flat back four in the Aldershot game).
My five year old son loves going to the match with me and was proudly running around Calderstones Park this afternoon in his Tranmere kit. This is the legacy that Mickey is laying down and I would love it (sorry) if we had a Wembley trip this season.
SWA.
Quote:Kenny_Crons
We are play off bound with a team that Brabin couldn't get a tune out of, and mickey has done that despite the additional handicap of taking over mid-season.
Quote:mini_andy
The other day I made a point, responding to our friend gimpy...... that if we had Micky from the start of the season, we would be out of sight by now.
I've just done the research, and I was wrong!
P29
W19
D5
L5
Pts 62
Average 2.137 ppm
That's a season total of 98, Lincoln could finish on 103.
Let's hope and prey that we do enough in the playoffs to get out of this damn league!!
Quote:The way I look at Brabins tenure is he came in when we were at our lowest ever ebb. He ended up with an away record we may never see again and finished 3 pts off 3rd. His and his teams biggest problem was working out how to overcome sides that came to PP. They virtually all played defensive and tried to catch us on the break. After a couple of defeats they looked terrified at being caught and it showed in our game. Mickey does seem to play more like the home side at PP and takes games to opposition and it's paid off.Matt34Quote:Kenny_Crons
We are play off bound with a team that Brabin couldn't get a tune out of, and mickey has done that despite the additional handicap of taking over mid-season.
That's not entirely fair, as most people were not complaining when Brabin had 5 in 5 and got top and also Mickey is getting great form with a goalkeeper and defense all of whom are Brabin recruits, except Ridehalgh who is a retained player and Ihiekwe who is a throwback to the league days.
However although I don't think Brabin was complete garbage like some might, I still feel more assured by Mellon, as at least Mellon has encouraged more goal scoring in the team, by getting a bit more out of Brabin signings like Cook and has been willing to be a little more experimental at times with tactics and a bit more shrewd with subs.
For me Brabin tried his best, but compared to his old mucka Micky Mellon he did come up a bit short, but if it wasn't for players like Cook, Harris, McNulty, Davies etc, Mellon might be not have been doing as well, depending on his recruitment had he been in charge in June, although what little influence Mellon has had on recruitment so far, I:E: Dunn and Tollit, as examples, looks reassuring.
So Brabin deserves a bit of thanks and respect for trying his best and not least for achieving, until recently, the best points total Tranmere, if I recall, have ever had.
Quote:In a nutshell , Mickey has more of an idea how to break down teams who come and park a double Decker right across PP .2 the moonQuote:The way I look at Brabins tenure is he came in when we were at our lowest ever ebb. He ended up with an away record we may never see again and finished 3 pts off 3rd. His and his teams biggest problem was working out how to overcome sides that came to PP. They virtually all played defensive and tried to catch us on the break. After a couple of defeats they looked terrified at being caught and it showed in our game. Mickey does seem to play more like the home side at PP and takes games to opposition and it's paid off.Matt34Quote:Kenny_Crons
We are play off bound with a team that Brabin couldn't get a tune out of, and mickey has done that despite the additional handicap of taking over mid-season.
That's not entirely fair, as most people were not complaining when Brabin had 5 in 5 and got top and also Mickey is getting great form with a goalkeeper and defense all of whom are Brabin recruits, except Ridehalgh who is a retained player and Ihiekwe who is a throwback to the league days.
However although I don't think Brabin was complete garbage like some might, I still feel more assured by Mellon, as at least Mellon has encouraged more goal scoring in the team, by getting a bit more out of Brabin signings like Cook and has been willing to be a little more experimental at times with tactics and a bit more shrewd with subs.
For me Brabin tried his best, but compared to his old mucka Micky Mellon he did come up a bit short, but if it wasn't for players like Cook, Harris, McNulty, Davies etc, Mellon might be not have been doing as well, depending on his recruitment had he been in charge in June, although what little influence Mellon has had on recruitment so far, I:E: Dunn and Tollit, as examples, looks reassuring.
So Brabin deserves a bit of thanks and respect for trying his best and not least for achieving, until recently, the best points total Tranmere, if I recall, have ever had.
Quote:UglybobQuote:In a nutshell , Mickey has more of an idea how to break down teams who come and park a double Decker right across PP .2 the moonQuote:The way I look at Brabins tenure is he came in when we were at our lowest ever ebb. He ended up with an away record we may never see again and finished 3 pts off 3rd. His and his teams biggest problem was working out how to overcome sides that came to PP. They virtually all played defensive and tried to catch us on the break. After a couple of defeats they looked terrified at being caught and it showed in our game. Mickey does seem to play more like the home side at PP and takes games to opposition and it's paid off.Matt34Quote:Kenny_Crons
We are play off bound with a team that Brabin couldn't get a tune out of, and mickey has done that despite the additional handicap of taking over mid-season.
That's not entirely fair, as most people were not complaining when Brabin had 5 in 5 and got top and also Mickey is getting great form with a goalkeeper and defense all of whom are Brabin recruits, except Ridehalgh who is a retained player and Ihiekwe who is a throwback to the league days.
However although I don't think Brabin was complete garbage like some might, I still feel more assured by Mellon, as at least Mellon has encouraged more goal scoring in the team, by getting a bit more out of Brabin signings like Cook and has been willing to be a little more experimental at times with tactics and a bit more shrewd with subs.
For me Brabin tried his best, but compared to his old mucka Micky Mellon he did come up a bit short, but if it wasn't for players like Cook, Harris, McNulty, Davies etc, Mellon might be not have been doing as well, depending on his recruitment had he been in charge in June, although what little influence Mellon has had on recruitment so far, I:E: Dunn and Tollit, as examples, looks reassuring.
So Brabin deserves a bit of thanks and respect for trying his best and not least for achieving, until recently, the best points total Tranmere, if I recall, have ever had.
Quote:and don't underestimate the difference the crowd make. Brain was pretty much universally hated and it oozed down onto the pitch. The crowd were on the players backs and the atmosphere was lets say uninspiring. The owners, the manager, the staff, the players have come out recebtly and said what a difference it makes to have a passionate crowd.Doogie'sGhostQuote:UglybobQuote:In a nutshell , Mickey has more of an idea how to break down teams who come and park a double Decker right across PP .2 the moonQuote:The way I look at Brabins tenure is he came in when we were at our lowest ever ebb. He ended up with an away record we may never see again and finished 3 pts off 3rd. His and his teams biggest problem was working out how to overcome sides that came to PP. They virtually all played defensive and tried to catch us on the break. After a couple of defeats they looked terrified at being caught and it showed in our game. Mickey does seem to play more like the home side at PP and takes games to opposition and it's paid off.Matt34Quote:Kenny_Crons
We are play off bound with a team that Brabin couldn't get a tune out of, and mickey has done that despite the additional handicap of taking over mid-season.
That's not entirely fair, as most people were not complaining when Brabin had 5 in 5 and got top and also Mickey is getting great form with a goalkeeper and defense all of whom are Brabin recruits, except Ridehalgh who is a retained player and Ihiekwe who is a throwback to the league days.
However although I don't think Brabin was complete garbage like some might, I still feel more assured by Mellon, as at least Mellon has encouraged more goal scoring in the team, by getting a bit more out of Brabin signings like Cook and has been willing to be a little more experimental at times with tactics and a bit more shrewd with subs.
For me Brabin tried his best, but compared to his old mucka Micky Mellon he did come up a bit short, but if it wasn't for players like Cook, Harris, McNulty, Davies etc, Mellon might be not have been doing as well, depending on his recruitment had he been in charge in June, although what little influence Mellon has had on recruitment so far, I:E: Dunn and Tollit, as examples, looks reassuring.
So Brabin deserves a bit of thanks and respect for trying his best and not least for achieving, until recently, the best points total Tranmere, if I recall, have ever had.
I'm not sure that is totally true, though it is to an extent for sure. Brabin had a basically defence first set up, which is why we had a good record away from home and against the better sides. Micky is much better at beating the weaker sides. For Brabin it didn't work when teams set out to defend against us, particularly at home. For Micky, the more attacking style hasnt worked against the better sides to date. If we'd got near the record we had last year against the top 6 and away from home this year we would already be promoted and similarly if we'd been able to dispatch teams at home last year we would have won the league as well.
Quote:I disagree he was universally hated. A lot of good points made about the side he built. MM gets the ball moving quicker giving defences less time to organise which is why I think we have been more successful. I met GB once and he was a decent bloke, definitely don't hate him.2 the moonQuote:and don't underestimate the difference the crowd make. Brain was pretty much universally hated and it oozed down onto the pitch. The crowd were on the players backs and the atmosphere was lets say uninspiring. The owners, the manager, the staff, the players have come out recebtly and said what a difference it makes to have a passionate crowd.Doogie'sGhostQuote:UglybobQuote:In a nutshell , Mickey has more of an idea how to break down teams who come and park a double Decker right across PP .2 the moonQuote:The way I look at Brabins tenure is he came in when we were at our lowest ever ebb. He ended up with an away record we may never see again and finished 3 pts off 3rd. His and his teams biggest problem was working out how to overcome sides that came to PP. They virtually all played defensive and tried to catch us on the break. After a couple of defeats they looked terrified at being caught and it showed in our game. Mickey does seem to play more like the home side at PP and takes games to opposition and it's paid off.Matt34Quote:Kenny_Crons
We are play off bound with a team that Brabin couldn't get a tune out of, and mickey has done that despite the additional handicap of taking over mid-season.
That's not entirely fair, as most people were not complaining when Brabin had 5 in 5 and got top and also Mickey is getting great form with a goalkeeper and defense all of whom are Brabin recruits, except Ridehalgh who is a retained player and Ihiekwe who is a throwback to the league days.
However although I don't think Brabin was complete garbage like some might, I still feel more assured by Mellon, as at least Mellon has encouraged more goal scoring in the team, by getting a bit more out of Brabin signings like Cook and has been willing to be a little more experimental at times with tactics and a bit more shrewd with subs.
For me Brabin tried his best, but compared to his old mucka Micky Mellon he did come up a bit short, but if it wasn't for players like Cook, Harris, McNulty, Davies etc, Mellon might be not have been doing as well, depending on his recruitment had he been in charge in June, although what little influence Mellon has had on recruitment so far, I:E: Dunn and Tollit, as examples, looks reassuring.
So Brabin deserves a bit of thanks and respect for trying his best and not least for achieving, until recently, the best points total Tranmere, if I recall, have ever had.
I'm not sure that is totally true, though it is to an extent for sure. Brabin had a basically defence first set up, which is why we had a good record away from home and against the better sides. Micky is much better at beating the weaker sides. For Brabin it didn't work when teams set out to defend against us, particularly at home. For Micky, the more attacking style hasnt worked against the better sides to date. If we'd got near the record we had last year against the top 6 and away from home this year we would already be promoted and similarly if we'd been able to dispatch teams at home last year we would have won the league as well.
Quote:I certainly don't hate Brabin, he bought some stability which was much needed, he effectively built most of the squad we have now, pretty much from scratch. Although he did have a run of 5 victories at the start of the season, I don't think performances were great during that period and I felt that he rather ran out of ideas on how to get the best out of the squad. MM has experience of getting teams out of the NL which is what we needed.ArmaghwhiteQuote:I disagree he was universally hated. A lot of good points made about the side he built. MM gets the ball moving quicker giving defences less time to organise which is why I think we have been more successful. I met GB once and he was a decent bloke, definitely don't hate him.2 the moonQuote:and don't underestimate the difference the crowd make. Brain was pretty much universally hated and it oozed down onto the pitch. The crowd were on the players backs and the atmosphere was lets say uninspiring. The owners, the manager, the staff, the players have come out recebtly and said what a difference it makes to have a passionate crowd.Doogie'sGhostQuote:UglybobQuote:In a nutshell , Mickey has more of an idea how to break down teams who come and park a double Decker right across PP .2 the moonQuote:The way I look at Brabins tenure is he came in when we were at our lowest ever ebb. He ended up with an away record we may never see again and finished 3 pts off 3rd. His and his teams biggest problem was working out how to overcome sides that came to PP. They virtually all played defensive and tried to catch us on the break. After a couple of defeats they looked terrified at being caught and it showed in our game. Mickey does seem to play more like the home side at PP and takes games to opposition and it's paid off.Matt34Quote:Kenny_Crons
We are play off bound with a team that Brabin couldn't get a tune out of, and mickey has done that despite the additional handicap of taking over mid-season.
That's not entirely fair, as most people were not complaining when Brabin had 5 in 5 and got top and also Mickey is getting great form with a goalkeeper and defense all of whom are Brabin recruits, except Ridehalgh who is a retained player and Ihiekwe who is a throwback to the league days.
However although I don't think Brabin was complete garbage like some might, I still feel more assured by Mellon, as at least Mellon has encouraged more goal scoring in the team, by getting a bit more out of Brabin signings like Cook and has been willing to be a little more experimental at times with tactics and a bit more shrewd with subs.
For me Brabin tried his best, but compared to his old mucka Micky Mellon he did come up a bit short, but if it wasn't for players like Cook, Harris, McNulty, Davies etc, Mellon might be not have been doing as well, depending on his recruitment had he been in charge in June, although what little influence Mellon has had on recruitment so far, I:E: Dunn and Tollit, as examples, looks reassuring.
So Brabin deserves a bit of thanks and respect for trying his best and not least for achieving, until recently, the best points total Tranmere, if I recall, have ever had.
I'm not sure that is totally true, though it is to an extent for sure. Brabin had a basically defence first set up, which is why we had a good record away from home and against the better sides. Micky is much better at beating the weaker sides. For Brabin it didn't work when teams set out to defend against us, particularly at home. For Micky, the more attacking style hasnt worked against the better sides to date. If we'd got near the record we had last year against the top 6 and away from home this year we would already be promoted and similarly if we'd been able to dispatch teams at home last year we would have won the league as well.
Quote:Matt34
From the beginning, by that do you mean this season or last, as had it been this season, would he necessarily have signed a player like Cook and if it was last season, I don't think he'd have had as much of a chance based on Cook's circumstances.