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Poll: To Brabin or not to Brabin
Discussion started by Higgosboots (IP Logged), 28 April, 2016 09:12
Higgosboots
Higgosboots
28 April, 2016 09:12

Would you like to see Brabin in charge next year?

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2 the moon
28 April, 2016 09:41
After being pro Brabin all season the last two home games have really pushed me in the middle. Just can't decide.

Hoots Mon
Hoots Mon
28 April, 2016 09:58
Shouldn't there be a third alternative ''sat on the fence''?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 28/04/2016 19:37 by Hoots Mon.

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Paz
28 April, 2016 09:59
Yes - As much as I dislike his tactics (or lack of!) I do feel some kind of stability is needed.

He needs to impress over the first 2 months though

Old Yeller
Old Yeller
28 April, 2016 10:16
Yes, we need an undecided option

Higgosboots
Higgosboots
28 April, 2016 10:48
Not gone for an on the fence, your in a chairmans shoes on this one! Yey or Ney

MoanerLesser
Account Deleted FoaHsssleFreeLife
28 April, 2016 11:07
Hold this till season over....

RicciTRFC
RicciTRFC
28 April, 2016 11:18
It's a firm no from me, playoffs or no playoffs. Complete failure to address obvious flaws in the team all season, odd selections, tactically inept.

He is also very uninspiring. I would love stability, but not just for the sake of it.

Pattaya stew
Pattaya stew
28 April, 2016 12:33
Stability is good but if u put faith in manager who is proven at not getting a team out of non league then you are in for a long haul indeed

Doug heffernan
Doug heffernan
28 April, 2016 14:01
whats the point in having a "stable" manager who is incapable of taking us were we want and need to be, that`s just pathetic, we will never get up with him in charge so whats the point in keeping him, paying his wages and denying somebody else the opportunity who might make a better fist of taking us up, get shut and move on, another managerial cock up by palios 2 out of 2, nice one

ming05
ming05
28 April, 2016 15:49
Not pathetic just other peoples opinion

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TT Admin
28 April, 2016 16:11
Quote:
Doug heffernan
whats the point in having a "stable" manager who is incapable of taking us were we want and need to be, that`s just pathetic, we will never get up with him in charge so whats the point in keeping him, paying his wages and denying somebody else the opportunity who might make a better fist of taking us up, get shut and move on, another managerial cock up by palios 2 out of 2, nice one

We COULD get up in three weeks time and the fact it's still a possibility at this late stage makes a lot of what you said seem either speculative at best or merely something that will enable you to continue with the negativity.

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Doogie'sGhost
28 April, 2016 16:18
Quote:
Doug heffernan
whats the point in having a "stable" manager who is incapable of taking us were we want and need to be, that`s just pathetic, we will never get up with him in charge so whats the point in keeping him, paying his wages and denying somebody else the opportunity who might make a better fist of taking us up, get shut and move on, another managerial cock up by palios 2 out of 2, nice one

As you are obviously omniscient, seeing as you know the future with such certainty, do me a favour and tell me this Friday's EuroMillions numbers...

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Phil65
28 April, 2016 19:00
Quote:
Deadly Submarine
Quote:
Doug heffernan
whats the point in having a "stable" manager who is incapable of taking us were we want and need to be, that`s just pathetic, we will never get up with him in charge so whats the point in keeping him, paying his wages and denying somebody else the opportunity who might make a better fist of taking us up, get shut and move on, another managerial cock up by palios 2 out of 2, nice one

We COULD get up in three weeks time and the fact it's still a possibility at this late stage makes a lot of what you said seem either speculative at best or merely something that will enable you to continue with the negativity.
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Both speculative points from polarised positions which is fair enough. I'm somewhere in the middle and don't have the will to want Brabin to go but also don't believe we've been bright or brave enough to warrant promotion this year. Will have high hopes for next year though and will enjoy the continued debate.

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Matt34
28 April, 2016 21:57
Quote:
Doogie'sGhost
Quote:
Doug heffernan
whats the point in having a "stable" manager who is incapable of taking us were we want and need to be, that`s just pathetic, we will never get up with him in charge so whats the point in keeping him, paying his wages and denying somebody else the opportunity who might make a better fist of taking us up, get shut and move on, another managerial cock up by palios 2 out of 2, nice one

As you are obviously omniscient, seeing as you know the future with such certainty, do me a favour and tell me this Friday's EuroMillions numbers...

Psychic powers are not beyond the fortunate few on this site. As someone said a few weeks back Tranmere WILL not beat Grimsby.

Bet your bottom dollar though, some will be ready to say told you so if they lose or draw, but fewer will be ready to say I was wrong if Tranmere win, whether the win is partnered by a Braintree loss, draw or win.



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

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Doogie'sGhost
29 April, 2016 08:04
Quote:
Matt34
Quote:
Doogie'sGhost
Quote:
Doug heffernan
whats the point in having a "stable" manager who is incapable of taking us were we want and need to be, that`s just pathetic, we will never get up with him in charge so whats the point in keeping him, paying his wages and denying somebody else the opportunity who might make a better fist of taking us up, get shut and move on, another managerial cock up by palios 2 out of 2, nice one

As you are obviously omniscient, seeing as you know the future with such certainty, do me a favour and tell me this Friday's EuroMillions numbers...

Psychic powers are not beyond the fortunate few on this site. As someone said a few weeks back Tranmere WILL not beat Grimsby.

Bet your bottom dollar though, some will be ready to say told you so if they lose or draw, but fewer will be ready to say I was wrong if Tranmere win, whether the win is partnered by a Braintree loss, draw or win.

Lol. No way I'll take that bet on Matt.

Doug heffernan
Doug heffernan
29 April, 2016 08:07
Albert Einstein`s definition of insanity sums gary brabin up perfectly "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" that`s why he has to go

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Doogie'sGhost
29 April, 2016 08:37
Partnering Norwood with Stockton, Mangan, Margetts, GTF, Higdon, Fenwick as well as playing him on his own. Having Mekki, Dawson, Maynard, Hughes, Kirby, Mackreth, not to mention GTF playing on the wing and advanced midfield positions. Oh, and totally changing the central defensive pairing mid way through the season. No, he's not tried anything different. Full backs have changed, central mid has switched around at times too. He gets moaned at for changing too many things and moaned at for not doing too.

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TT Admin
29 April, 2016 10:32
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Doogie'sGhost
Partnering Norwood with Stockton, Mangan, Margetts, GTF, Higdon, Fenwick as well as playing him on his own. Having Mekki, Dawson, Maynard, Hughes, Kirby, Mackreth, not to mention GTF playing on the wing and advanced midfield positions. Oh, and totally changing the central defensive pairing mid way through the season. No, he's not tried anything different. Full backs have changed, central mid has switched around at times too. He gets moaned at for changing too many things and moaned at for not doing too.

Spot on Doogie!! Great post!

Doug heffernan
Doug heffernan
29 April, 2016 11:13
the best weve looked up front this season was mangan and margetts he should have complimented them with 2 decent wide me to go with the 2 holding midfielders we have, that should have been this seasons blueprint, especially at home, but he had it in his head we were gonna lump it up to norwood who plays in front of 2 midfielders who wont run past him, thats why we dont score goals or win games at home, thats why we wont get promoted

MoanerLesser
Account Deleted FoaHsssleFreeLife
29 April, 2016 11:29
We have won 11 at home

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TT Admin
29 April, 2016 12:16
Quote:
Doug heffernan
the best weve looked up front this season was mangan and margetts he should have complimented them with 2 decent wide me to go with the 2 holding midfielders we have, that should have been this seasons blueprint, especially at home, but he had it in his head we were gonna lump it up to norwood who plays in front of 2 midfielders who wont run past him, thats why we dont score goals or win games at home, thats why we wont get promoted

We might not score as many goals as people might like but Norwood has scored 21 of those that we have scored so I can't see how leaving him out will have made things better - in my opinion anyway!

Doug heffernan
Doug heffernan
29 April, 2016 13:01
were too one dimensional at home, were too easy to read and too easy stop, we play one up front and 2 sitting midfielders, neither of whome regulaly get into the box to support norwood jennings 43 games 1 assist 1 goal, harris 42 games 3 assists 3 goals, thats nowhere near good enough, its ideal away from home (as results show) but not at home when you have to take the initiative and the game to the opposition (as results show) its cost us promotion

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Doogie'sGhost
29 April, 2016 13:13
One of the reasons being that the ball comes straight back too often because no one really holds it up allowing the midfielders to come forward. That's why we have often poured forward in the latter stages of some games when there is little to lose.

As for the Mangan/Margetts partnership, it is true that they scored 4 against Bromley, at least I think it was, but they were also paired against Eastleigh, when we lost, and they looked totally lost in that game. It's easy to cherrypick single games, good ones and bad.

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TT Admin
29 April, 2016 13:16
Lets not also forget that the first 20 minutes of the Bromley home game were probably the worst we've played all season in my opinion - regardless of what then followed!

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2 the moon
29 April, 2016 13:19
Quote:
Doug heffernan
the best weve looked up front this season was mangan and margetts he should have complimented them with 2 decent wide me to go with the 2 holding midfielders we have, that should have been this seasons blueprint, especially at home, but he had it in his head we were gonna lump it up to norwood who plays in front of 2 midfielders who wont run past him, thats why we dont score goals or win games at home, thats why we wont get promoted
the first part of this is based on one game against a team that imploded. The second part I can't argue with.

MalkinsNobblyKnees
MalkinsNobblyKnees
29 April, 2016 13:20
It's easy to point out the things that Brabin hasn't done right but for me, fundamentally he's built a squad that's good enough for promotion. If it wasn't for the pathetic efforts of 5 o 6 players against Welling we'd now be fancying ourselves to win the playoffs.

Very few managers are good at everything. Some managers are good at building teams (this seems to be Brabin's strength), others are good at winning matches with the players that are at their disposal (like Ronnie).

We've had far, far too few of the former in the past. Les built up a good squad but didn't let them play fotball. Ronnie came in and got great performances from Les's squad but then watched as the team gradually eroded.

I've no reason to think that Brabin isn't capable of continuing to improve the team slowly over the next year so I believe that he should be here next season.

Doug heffernan
Doug heffernan
29 April, 2016 13:34
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MoanerLesser
We have won 11 at home

when youve lost almost as many it kinda takes the shine off that stat

ste25yearsafan
ste25yearsafan
29 April, 2016 14:42
I honestly don't believe he is the right man to get us back up, I Acknowledge the bee ed for some stability but MP made it clear he working to a 3 year plan so a third of the way in we can change it now, if it's done at Christmas it's likely to be too late in the day 18months into a 3 year plan.

DevonExile
DevonExile
29 April, 2016 15:44
I am not sure that there is much evidence that Brabin is good at building teams as he has not been anywhere long enough to do that. It is in anyway more about crafting a squad to provide balance and adequate cover for any situation that arises. It is questionable if the squad is balanced, Defensively it is ok but there is a lack of pace,creativity and potency in terms of goals scored.

As for the squad, many that were used initially have been mainly discarded and loans and short term vcontracts used to ring changes. With the exception of MacNulty (and even he is no better than Sutton) I am not sure that those brought in have made much impact. On a game by points basis the first third of the season was our best period.

Now I am not arguing that Brabin cannot build a squad or that he should not be allowed time to show what he can do but neither past evidence or his time at Rovers provide evidence yet that he is good at building a team. Time will tell and for me the hard part for Palios is deciding how much time. For those looking for instant dismissal I would argue that there is plenty of evidence that too many clubs are hasty in dismissing managers. Allowing too little time can be just as bad,and possibly worse than allowing too much time

the kav
the kav
29 April, 2016 16:59
when it comes to one off games we need to win the record is not so great:

Lincoln fa d
Lincoln fa l
Wrexham fa l
Welling to maintain top 6 lost again!

Whether you blame brabin or the team the omens are not great even if we make the play offs.....mwhich we wont

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Old Rover
29 April, 2016 19:08
Quote:
Doug heffernan
were too one dimensional at home, were too easy to read and too easy stop, we play one up front and 2 sitting midfielders, neither of whome regulaly get into the box to support norwood jennings 43 games 1 assist 1 goal, harris 42 games 3 assists 3 goals, thats nowhere near good enough, its ideal away from home (as results show) but not at home when you have to take the initiative and the game to the opposition (as results show) its cost us promotion
Agree with this post. Also agree with Deadly about Norwood. Malkin it's not just the Welling game that has cost us.

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Matt34
29 April, 2016 22:03
Quote:
the kav
even if we make the play offs.....mwhich we wont

Looks like another case of opinion dressed up with psychic flair (Sm6)



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.


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