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Jim Bentley
Discussion started by lancashire blue (IP Logged), 20 April, 2015 10:46
lancashire blue
lancashire blue
20 April, 2015 10:46
First time I've seen the need to post on the forum but because of the need to get a new manager in as quickly as possible one name that springs to mind is that of the current Morcambe Manager Jim Bentley who along with his assistant Ken McKenna both live near to the club and have experience of League 2 soccer with a club who have a very small budget if the rumours are true.
Whether they would be tempted to manager a club who look doomed to the Conference is questionable but they both have the experience needed and are probably more aware of the problems at the club then a lot of other candidates.

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Doogie'sGhost
20 April, 2015 11:26
Getting the manager right is the no. 1 priority. I would prefer someone youngish with some managerial experience. Someone without too much baggage and who sees us as his chance to really make a name, because if he gets it right with us we have a lot more potential than, say, Morecambe or Macclesfield, with due respects to those 2 clubs. Most of all it needs to be someone positive who can instil a change of attitude and approach throughout the playing and coaching staff.

Kennel
Kennel
20 April, 2015 12:07
Dougie what about young Rob Edwards,he's available.

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Doogie'sGhost
20 April, 2015 12:25
The problem with Edwards was that he had no experience prior to us. I would be very concerned about taking that route again unless we were only thinking long-term - which I don't we should be next season. We need someone who has had some degree of success before, but isn't an old hand set in their ways.

will_hunting
will_hunting
20 April, 2015 15:25
they need to be bought in now and be told whatever happens your here next season, whatever division were in alan rogers is part of the problem he not the soloution

Hoots Mon
Hoots Mon
20 April, 2015 15:33
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The problem with Edwards was that he had no experience prior to us. I would be very concerned about taking that route again unless we were only thinking long-term - which I don't we should be next season. We need someone who has had some degree of success before, but isn't an old hand set in their ways.


When Edwards was appointed,we WERE supposed to be thinking long term. But the abuse started in his first league match-home to York. It's no wonder that the likes of Dave Challinor are apparently not prepared to get involved.

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Doogie'sGhost
20 April, 2015 15:51
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The problem with Edwards was that he had no experience prior to us. I would be very concerned about taking that route again unless we were only thinking long-term - which I don't we should be next season. We need someone who has had some degree of success before, but isn't an old hand set in their ways.


When Edwards was appointed,we WERE supposed to be thinking long term. But the abuse started in his first league match-home to York. It's no wonder that the likes of Dave Challinor are apparently not prepared to get involved.

That was a result of the strategic direction taken by PJ though. It was all about cost cutting. They gambled all on an inexperienced guy with a bit of a track record with youth level teams because it was cheap, not because it made any sense in football terms. And we're going to pay the price for that and other mistakes. I do not believe for one minute that Edwards would have even got an interview if Palios had been in charge, let alone been appointed! And I don't think that Palios will be solely thinking long-term now. I want someone young and modern, yes, but not someone who is untried. Challinor is exactly the right sort of candidate, but there will be others too. We will be a big attraction to a manager at conference level and there will be lots of interest providing Palios provides a reasonable budget to work with.

Higgosboots
Higgosboots
20 April, 2015 16:42
It doesnt matter who is in charge a vast majority of fans will never be happy. IMO the best manager we have had in recent years was Brian Little. Experiened managed at the top level knows football, but he lost a few games the Boo boys started and that was that. Replaced by people such great people with issues such as betting habits, managing in a league with only two real teams & bandaging skill. We NEED to be planning for the next 5:years and give someone time to build their own team in their own mould. Dont think it will happen though due to fans running interference.

Shaumbra
Shaumbra
20 April, 2015 17:17
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It doesnt matter who is in charge a vast majority of fans will never be happy. IMO the best manager we have had in recent years was Brian Little. Experiened managed at the top level knows football, but he lost a few games the Boo boys started and that was that. Replaced by people such great people with issues such as betting habits, managing in a league with only two real teams & bandaging skill. We NEED to be planning for the next 5:years and give someone time to build their own team in their own mould. Dont think it will happen though due to fans running interference.

agree

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TT Admin
20 April, 2015 17:56
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It doesnt matter who is in charge a vast majority of fans will never be happy. IMO the best manager we have had in recent years was Brian Little. Experiened managed at the top level knows football, but he lost a few games the Boo boys started and that was that. Replaced by people such great people with issues such as betting habits, managing in a league with only two real teams & bandaging skill. We NEED to be planning for the next 5:years and give someone time to build their own team in their own mould. Dont think it will happen though due to fans running interference.

agree

Me too. Totally agree. I was a huge Brian Little fan.

Town End
Town End
20 April, 2015 19:30
Agree !!

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Doogie'sGhost
20 April, 2015 19:54
No arguments from me either!

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Matt34
20 April, 2015 21:37
Young managers with a little bit of track record may seem ideal, but if success crept in, they could be targets.

A manager with much experience isn't automatically a bad choice, as it would have seemed with Adams, but Adams should be no indicator of not getting managers over 50 into the job, O'Driscoll would seem like a savvy bet on paper, as would Billy Davies to an extent and so would Ian Hollloway, but that would depend on their continued ambitions.

Younger managers who might seem an interesting bet, might be people like Steve Lomas, who despite not doing as well as hoped at Millwall, regardless of the financial limitations they may have in the championship, proved himself to be worthy at St Johnstone as has spent time observing what his old mate Brendan Rogers has done, so he could have connections from his top level days, connections in the scottish game and potentially good links with Liverpool and in ionterview a while back said he's not afraid to move around.

Perhaps people like him would represent the way forward.



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

Hoots Mon
Hoots Mon
20 April, 2015 21:57
''If success crept in'' = excellent news.

goosed
goosed
21 April, 2015 08:03
edwards will be rolling on the floor in laughter if we go down

Jack of all Trades
Jack of all Trades
21 April, 2015 12:36
Maybe if he had done better in his 12 games in charge (9 points bottom of the league), we would have survived our recent slump of 12 points out of 54.

Just an observation

Hoots Mon
Hoots Mon
21 April, 2015 12:40
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edwards will be rolling on the floor in laughter if we go down

I very much doubt that.

coltran
coltran
21 April, 2015 16:20
I doubt whether Edwasrds will be laughing as our results under his leadership have contributed to where we are now. However, he hardly had a chance (10 or 12 games) and who knows, given more time he may have turned things around. In some ways he was a victim of circumstances when MP came in. I never expected things to go so disasterously wrong under Adams, it is so tragic for our club.

AndyMase
AndyMase
22 April, 2015 13:03
What was the points per game ratio of Edwards v Adams?

I just wonder what might have been if Edwards had been given half the money at the start of the season that Adams had in the Jan window. A settled side with a decent striker and it all could be different

Jack of all Trades
Jack of all Trades
22 April, 2015 13:35
Edwards(12 Games) 9pts from possible 36pts - 25% return

Adams (31 Games) 30 pts from possible 93 pts - 32.25% return

Gill (1 game v Oxford ) 0pts

However, his return since the Hartlepool Game (18 Games)

12 pts from 54pts - 22.22% return which means the first 13 games he achieved a 46.15% return.

Big if I know but, that % return would have given us a points return with two games left of approx 52 pts and safety.

Unfortunately, the stats only really show how bad we have been for the majority of the season

AndyMase
AndyMase
22 April, 2015 13:49
Thanks Jack. So his return diminished after he had money to spend.
To be fair I was one of the people who supported his appointment, thought we were sorted after the Accrington game. How wrong was I
Anyway need to look forward not backward
Agree with other comments. The negativity starts way to quickly. Whoever we get let's support them not look for opportunities to moan and whine


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