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smaller squad better striker
16 April, 2012 21:08
R.M. has stated we may have a smaller squad but with better strikers. We certainly do need a goal scorer although dont want a depleted squad and then suffer injuries. Who will he be able to keep, who will want to stay and who will arrive.
Re: smaller squad better striker
16 April, 2012 21:49
Already heard of a couple that will be going but I suspect there will be quite a few more.
Clearly Ronnie is staying then.
Clearly Ronnie is staying then.
Re: smaller squad better striker
16 April, 2012 22:28
I heard that RM wants to give Goodie another season. Sorry to say this but I think Goodie has been great but we should now look for someone a little younger & a bit more mobile perhaps.
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Re: smaller squad better striker
16 April, 2012 22:42
Who have you heard on the way out sub and were have you heard this from?
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Re: smaller squad better striker
16 April, 2012 22:45
Who have you heard on the way out sub and were have you heard this?
Re: smaller squad better striker
16 April, 2012 23:43
How much smaller does he want to make the squad? We already barely have any strikers as it is, especially once Cassidy and Brunt go, are lacking on the wings and have just three centre-backs!
Re: smaller squad better striker
17 April, 2012 11:49
On our budget I think you could have 18 players and a couple of younger players that don't take up a lot of the budget such as cole Kirby and healing which would give you 21 players plus loan players so you could still have a 23 man squad which isnt to bad
We also hav options on 4 players I think is
Muzzy
Holmes
Buchs
And I think Devaney not 100percent sure tho so I would i think we should keep Holmes and Buchs and offer mccrystal a new contract but we need to offer ash a new deal to get compo
We also hav options on 4 players I think is
Muzzy
Holmes
Buchs
And I think Devaney not 100percent sure tho so I would i think we should keep Holmes and Buchs and offer mccrystal a new contract but we need to offer ash a new deal to get compo
Re: smaller squad better striker
17 April, 2012 13:57
I am pleased he is looking to address our most pressing isssue, which is scoring goals. However the type of players we need are expensive, so it will be interesting to see who we can attract.
Re: smaller squad better striker
17 April, 2012 16:39
Seen John welsh said on radio that he wanted a new contract
Re: smaller squad better striker
17 April, 2012 16:42
Id definatley look to keep :
Welsh
Robbo
Holmes
Buchs
and I'd consider :
Devaney
Mcgurk
Mccyrstal
Welsh
Robbo
Holmes
Buchs
and I'd consider :
Devaney
Mcgurk
Mccyrstal
Re: smaller squad better striker
17 April, 2012 20:47
Mcchrystal is still under contract for next season.
Re: smaller squad better striker
17 April, 2012 22:05
Right now once Brunt, Wallace and Cassidy leave, I'd want to relieve Akins of his position. He has made some useful contributions this season, especially getting 2 in a mtch earlier in the season, but he is not consistent or potent enough for me.
Strikers / Wingers I wouldn't mind coming on free transfer or season long loans right now would be Cassidy, Lateef, Gary Twigg, Baxter, (long shot), Clinton Morrison, John Sutton, (Hearts, a cheap deal based on their I think still uncertain circumstances), Jordan Slew and a.n.others.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
Strikers / Wingers I wouldn't mind coming on free transfer or season long loans right now would be Cassidy, Lateef, Gary Twigg, Baxter, (long shot), Clinton Morrison, John Sutton, (Hearts, a cheap deal based on their I think still uncertain circumstances), Jordan Slew and a.n.others.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
Re: smaller squad better striker
17 April, 2012 22:25
Akins has been one of our better players this season in my opinion. Certainly wouldn't get rid of him.
Re: smaller squad better striker
17 April, 2012 22:57
Quote:Matt34
Right now once Brunt, Wallace and Cassidy leave, I'd want to relieve Akins of his position. He has made some useful contributions this season, especially getting 2 in a mtch earlier in the season, but he is not consistent or potent enough for me.
Strikers / Wingers I wouldn't mind coming on free transfer or season long loans right now would be Cassidy, Lateef, Gary Twigg, Baxter, (long shot), Clinton Morrison, John Sutton, (Hearts, a cheap deal based on their I think still uncertain circumstances), Jordan Slew and a.n.others.
Slew was hopeless when we played Stevenage the other week.Lateef hardly set the world on fire when he was here for a month this season. Morrison-how old is he?
Re: smaller squad better striker
17 April, 2012 23:42
Personally would keep Akins but RM has said in interviews he wants out and out wingers he is clearly a big fan of robbo as well so would assume he will be trying to keep him
Re: smaller squad better striker
18 April, 2012 14:09
I think it will be interesting to see what he does with Mcgurk and Devaney. Both can be very good league 1 players in my opinion, but are constantly injured. Can we afford to accomodate injury prone players?
Re: smaller squad better striker
18 April, 2012 16:37
I would keep McGurk over Devaney.The latter appears to be a very slow healer.
Re: smaller squad better striker
18 April, 2012 19:27
Devaney came with a sick note record and nothing has changed. With a smaller squad we can carry Robinson missing games but not 2 players. I also think that we must replace Goodison
Re: smaller squad better striker
18 April, 2012 20:22
We are rubbish with out him........
Every ball is a white ball............TRFC
Every ball is a white ball............TRFC
Re: smaller squad better striker
18 April, 2012 22:09
prepare for big changes ! looking at last line up for the ressies we have an unsustainable squad size, we have to off load a good few ! who could should we hang on to ? so pleased not my call................... Goody ?!?!?! depends on wages, must hang on to keeper ! mid and defence I think will sort it's self ! a 'Goal scorer ?!?!?!!??..... ha if it were that easy eh
Re: smaller squad better striker
19 April, 2012 12:59
Saying we are rubbish without Goodison makes it all the more reason to start looking for a long-term replacement.
He's made a lot more errors this season and his time could soon be up.
He's made a lot more errors this season and his time could soon be up.
Re: smaller squad better striker
19 April, 2012 13:04
Goodison's last two performances have been very, very weak
Re: smaller squad better striker
19 April, 2012 16:03
I would agree with Matt the rover in regards to Goodison.There has been a marked decline in his game this season (getting up for the Ball)but we have not had anyone to replace him
However, Goodison has played a number of games when has been unable to train during the week when carrying over an injury from the previous match,he is almost 40 but has still turned out on more games than both Robinson and Devaney have done, while Ash has played out of his skin in helping to cover for him. It will be quite a task to find a replacement but something I feel we must do before next season.
However, Goodison has played a number of games when has been unable to train during the week when carrying over an injury from the previous match,he is almost 40 but has still turned out on more games than both Robinson and Devaney have done, while Ash has played out of his skin in helping to cover for him. It will be quite a task to find a replacement but something I feel we must do before next season.
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Re: smaller squad better striker
19 April, 2012 16:28
The thing with Goodison is that he has helped bring Ash Taylor into the making of a promising defender so much so dont be surprised if he is sold pre season . Ronnie will bring a central defender in and most likely use McCrystal as first choice with Goodie as back up for injuries.
If Welsh wants a contract with Rovers then yes please, let Weir go along with Kay.
If Welsh wants a contract with Rovers then yes please, let Weir go along with Kay.
Re: smaller squad better striker
19 April, 2012 16:28
He's been poor by his standards but still decent.
He had a few sloppy moments at MK yet he had some moments of brilliance as well, he started the game very well defensively and Ibehre struggled to get past him.
One of the reasons I feel he looked more "exposed" at Walsall was due to Fonners who at times was stuck to his line. Nothing against him though as he also has been a key member of our squad this season.
He easily still has a season left in him IMO. He may no longer be the best defender in the league, or one of, but he's certainly better than average still.
EDIT: He'll also make a great impact striker
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 19/04/2012 16:40 by Mikey.
He had a few sloppy moments at MK yet he had some moments of brilliance as well, he started the game very well defensively and Ibehre struggled to get past him.
One of the reasons I feel he looked more "exposed" at Walsall was due to Fonners who at times was stuck to his line. Nothing against him though as he also has been a key member of our squad this season.
He easily still has a season left in him IMO. He may no longer be the best defender in the league, or one of, but he's certainly better than average still.
EDIT: He'll also make a great impact striker
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 19/04/2012 16:40 by Mikey.
Re: smaller squad better striker
19 April, 2012 16:50
Personally don't think Goodson has been that bad, what has he actually done wrong in the past games. In my opinion one centre back is only as good as the other because if you don't have the partnership or if one centre back is slow his feet you have to blame both etc so a think Goodison deserves another year
Re: smaller squad better striker
19 April, 2012 19:27
hes certainly worth another year still a good player.
Re: smaller squad better striker
19 April, 2012 19:46
Exactly.
Look at De Zeeuw at Wigan; great with Henchoz, poor without.
The end result is Goodison compliments other people and the "other" can bring out his game at times too.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
Look at De Zeeuw at Wigan; great with Henchoz, poor without.
The end result is Goodison compliments other people and the "other" can bring out his game at times too.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
Re: smaller squad better striker
19 April, 2012 20:04
anyone remember where Paul Linwood went ?
Re: smaller squad better striker
19 April, 2012 20:41
He was at Fleetwood-don't know if he's still there.
Re: smaller squad better striker
19 April, 2012 21:22
We have tried for years to find some one eles. We will find it very hard to replace him.
Every ball is a white ball............TRFC
Every ball is a white ball............TRFC
Re: smaller squad better striker
19 April, 2012 21:27
Linwood still there but doesnt play much in first team. Jamie Mcguire also there scoring lots of goals from midfield.
Re: smaller squad better striker
19 April, 2012 21:37
Quote:bigmart
Linwood still there but doesnt play much in first team. Jamie Mcguire also there scoring lots of goals from midfield.
He would have played more this season but was out for quite a while with a length injury
Re: smaller squad better striker
19 April, 2012 23:00
thanks ! thought Paul would have gone on after we let him go ! liked watching him allways commanded ! but time will only tell ! think on 26th we will have to l;eat a couple of lads go
Re: smaller squad better striker
20 April, 2012 09:42
let kay,weir,devaney,tiryaki go.power stockton on a season loan,keep all others maybe cassidy,wallace or baxter season loan,and sign a striker,sounds easy eh?
Re: smaller squad better striker
20 April, 2012 17:03
I agree with all of those but I would add Zoom,Raven, and one of McGurk or Showi (either is adequate as cover but not both). At 40 I just do not see Goodison having a full good season in him.
If we are to half a smaller squad then we cannot afford to carry any player that has not been worthy of a regular place this season. By defintion such players where not good enough to get into a team that for along period was in free fall
If we are to half a smaller squad then we cannot afford to carry any player that has not been worthy of a regular place this season. By defintion such players where not good enough to get into a team that for along period was in free fall
Re: smaller squad better striker
20 April, 2012 21:10
Mcchrystal would be adequate in place of Goodison, but Goodison will always be really hard to replace.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
Re: smaller squad better striker
21 April, 2012 00:45
would give goody another year not playing as main games tho. mccrystal and ash as the main partnership. also raven can play center back. would let devaney go good player but wont play enought games. and must be on one of the better wages. also with a run in the team mcgurk could be a top player in our league. would be great if we could get cassidy on a season loan. personally i would let enoch go must also be on one of the higher wages. and that money could be used to bring in a bettet forward. really hope we keep holmes and buchannan been two of the top performers.
Re: smaller squad better striker
21 April, 2012 09:35
We need to keep the majority of the team together,getting rid of 5 to 10 players and bringing in the same amount would disrupt the team spirit too much and put us back to square 1.We'v had this same problem for the past few years.
I'd let kay & tiriyaki go and possibly weir if we can get wallace back for the season,apart from thati'd keepthe rest together.
Devaney,raven,mcgurk may of had there injury problems but when in the team have done well,i think mcgurk could be one of the best players in the league if fully fit for the year and played up front.Goodison is good for another year as back up and for his experience.
People may think am crazy but i think current squad we have now including the loan players could go into next season challenging for a play off spot with ronnie back,with maybe the addition of baxter for the year.
I'd let kay & tiriyaki go and possibly weir if we can get wallace back for the season,apart from thati'd keepthe rest together.
Devaney,raven,mcgurk may of had there injury problems but when in the team have done well,i think mcgurk could be one of the best players in the league if fully fit for the year and played up front.Goodison is good for another year as back up and for his experience.
People may think am crazy but i think current squad we have now including the loan players could go into next season challenging for a play off spot with ronnie back,with maybe the addition of baxter for the year.
Re: smaller squad better striker
21 April, 2012 11:24
I do not think that you are crazy but just optimistic. Even since the return of RM we have looked poor when key players are missing,which suggests the squad is not good enough. The thread started on the assumption that we will have a smaller squad and that means it is important that there is better quality and better balance. Take Macrystal and Taylor both are solid defenders but both lack the skill to distribute the ball.How often this season where each guilty of clearances that immediately gave the ball away again. These days teams bbuild from the back. also clear that we lack punch up front.Cassidy on loan could be a solution but a relegated Wolves may use him and I suspect he could now get a better club.
Holding on to the same players to form a smaller squad runs the danger of retaining the same problems
Holding on to the same players to form a smaller squad runs the danger of retaining the same problems
Re: smaller squad better striker
21 April, 2012 20:45
The squad I might want to see for the start of next season based on current players.
Zoumana Bakayogo Yes
David Buchanan Yes
Jake Cassidy Yes
Andy Coughlin Yes
John Courtney Yes
Martin Devaney Yes
Owain Fon Williams Yes
Ian Goodison Yes
Danny Holmes Yes
Jake Kirby Yes
Joss Labadie Yes
Mark McChrystal Yes
Adam McGurk Yes
David Raven Yes
Andy Robinson Yes
Enoch Showunmi Yes
Cole Stockton Yes
Ash Taylor Yes
Will Vaulks Yes
James Wallace Yes
John Welsh Yes
Lucas Akins No
Michael Kay No
Ryan Brunt No
Mustafa Tiryaki No
Robbie Weir No
Max Power Yes
Add in 4 new players. 2 strikers, 1 wide midfielder and 1 defensive mid who's interchangable between the middle and back.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
Zoumana Bakayogo Yes
David Buchanan Yes
Jake Cassidy Yes
Andy Coughlin Yes
John Courtney Yes
Martin Devaney Yes
Owain Fon Williams Yes
Ian Goodison Yes
Danny Holmes Yes
Jake Kirby Yes
Joss Labadie Yes
Mark McChrystal Yes
Adam McGurk Yes
David Raven Yes
Andy Robinson Yes
Enoch Showunmi Yes
Cole Stockton Yes
Ash Taylor Yes
Will Vaulks Yes
James Wallace Yes
John Welsh Yes
Lucas Akins No
Michael Kay No
Ryan Brunt No
Mustafa Tiryaki No
Robbie Weir No
Max Power Yes
Add in 4 new players. 2 strikers, 1 wide midfielder and 1 defensive mid who's interchangable between the middle and back.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
Re: smaller squad better striker
21 April, 2012 21:30
Zoumana Bakayogo Yes
David Buchanan Yes
Jake Cassidy Maybe
Andy Coughlin Yes
John Courtney Don't know
Martin Devaney No
Owain Fon Williams Yes
Ian Goodison Yes
Danny Holmes Yes
Jake Kirby Don't know
Joss Labadie Maybe probably no
Mark McChrystal Yes
Adam McGurk Yes
David Raven Yes
Andy Robinson Yes
Enoch Showunmi No
Cole Stockton Yes
Ash Taylor Yes
Will Vaulks Yes
James Wallace Yes
John Welsh Yes
Lucas Akins No
Michael Kay No
Ryan Brunt No
Mustafa Tiryaki No
Robbie Weir Yes
Max Power Maybe but haven't seen enough of him
Add in at least 4 new players
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 21/04/2012 21:31 by Hoots Mon.
David Buchanan Yes
Jake Cassidy Maybe
Andy Coughlin Yes
John Courtney Don't know
Martin Devaney No
Owain Fon Williams Yes
Ian Goodison Yes
Danny Holmes Yes
Jake Kirby Don't know
Joss Labadie Maybe probably no
Mark McChrystal Yes
Adam McGurk Yes
David Raven Yes
Andy Robinson Yes
Enoch Showunmi No
Cole Stockton Yes
Ash Taylor Yes
Will Vaulks Yes
James Wallace Yes
John Welsh Yes
Lucas Akins No
Michael Kay No
Ryan Brunt No
Mustafa Tiryaki No
Robbie Weir Yes
Max Power Maybe but haven't seen enough of him
Add in at least 4 new players
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 21/04/2012 21:31 by Hoots Mon.
Re: smaller squad better striker
22 April, 2012 17:34
Really dont see why so many rate McGurk, for me he is a nothing player, no great crosser, not a ball winner, never looks like scoring or even getting in a scoring position. Runs around a lot but for me never to any real effect. Labadie and Devaney however can make a real difference when fit but have a feeling they will be gone as well as Weir (no big loss) and Kay (see Weir). Think Danny Holmes will go to a better team as real class lately. Goodo should get another season, maybe not the colossus he once was but still a legend. Robbo, Fon, Welshy and Bucks need to be kept. As for the rest..... not real bothered one way or the other.
Re: smaller squad better striker
22 April, 2012 21:22
I think McGurk would have done better in a 4-4-2, but when Ronnie started playing it, Mcgurk was injured.
McGurk scored 3 goals in 3 games at one point with a brilliant cross box screamer against Wycombe, but Les never got as much out of him as he could have and the Ronnie period stopped him getting as much game time due to the cheek.
I'd say another season and then decide if it's stay or go.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
McGurk scored 3 goals in 3 games at one point with a brilliant cross box screamer against Wycombe, but Les never got as much out of him as he could have and the Ronnie period stopped him getting as much game time due to the cheek.
I'd say another season and then decide if it's stay or go.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
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