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Chesterfield
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2012 19:48

Saltergate was always my favourite away ground and I was very sad to see it go. The atmosphere in the old rickety grounds like that and Belle Vue were something to behold.The new grounds may have the facilities but,in comparison,they are often soul less[the Galpharm being an honourable exception]Next Saturday will be my first visit to the new ground. It will not be a day for the faint hearted especially if nothing happens in the interim. At present I look forward to it with a mixture of anticipation and foreboding.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: bigmart (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2012 19:59

I dont see anything chaning, Les will still be in charge we will still play 4-5-1 and go looking for a draw.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2012 20:39

If nothing changes then it is likely to be a toxic and poisonous atmosphere I'm afraid.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: @gony (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2012 22:25

going to try get a ticket tomorrow for the coach

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: TaxiForOwenBrown (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 08:30

If we go a goal down early doors than Les will receive dod's abuse from the travelling fans! He asks the away supporters to get behind the lads BUT they have shelled out their hard earned to watch and are entitled to their opinion! What supporters wouldn't turn on the manager after a run like this! If anything we have been VERY patient and tolerant with an underperforming manager and players!

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Kop Man Mike (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 20:14

im going (for my sins) its a suicide mission.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: jade-trfc (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 21:50

we are patient fans but you cannot be condoning getting on the manager back and players for the majority of the second half les had every right to have a moan about the fans we are on here everyday moan we want a win then when things are tough we dont help them get that win he said he doesnt mind the fans getting on his back and he understands the frustration.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: @gony (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 21:53

Quote:
jade-trfc
we are patient fans but you cannot be condoning getting on the manager back and players for the majority of the second half les had every right to have a moan about the fans we are on here everyday moan we want a win then when things are tough we dont help them get that win he said he doesnt mind the fans getting on his back and he understands the frustration.
well said Jade, was made up sat morning to read all the posts like lets get behind the lads ! but never realised it was just for the first half or till the lads needed some support

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 22:16

Quote:
jade-trfc
we are patient fans but you cannot be condoning getting on the manager back and players for the majority of the second half les had every right to have a moan about the fans we are on here everyday moan we want a win then when things are tough we dont help them get that win he said he doesnt mind the fans getting on his back and he understands the frustration.


1 win in 19 and the standard of 'entertainment' on view says that the fans were right and his lordship was out of order.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: jade-trfc (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 23:46

haha so you expect the team to perform when fans get on there back for 45mins get in the real world the players have praised the fans for there support several times this season and when they need you, you turn your back on them

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 00:02

The fans were having a go at the 'manager'.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Mikey (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 00:41

The fans supported the team for 18.5 games of the 1 win in 19.

Take Oldham for example - first half the fans were great, yet the players gave NOTHING...

Stop blaming the fans, you sound like Les, it's laughable.



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Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: trfcjames (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 08:11

stop blaming the fans? i thi9nk you should all take a good look at yourself, how dare you call yourself supporters when you react like that in the second half. do you honestly think the players would have performed as bad in the second half if you all got behind them? no way. if we go down you will all be blaming les and his tactics etc etc etc but it will be your fault.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Paddockfan (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 09:10

What the hell are we talking about here? The players are grown men playing football for a living and making a very nice amount of money at the same time. If we were all following the Under 8's at St Peters Junior School I could understand. Come on Tranmere players get on with the job, grow up, play football, give 110% and cheer the fans up. Then you'll fond out how much support you get.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: HalfManHalfBrewery (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 09:58

Can't believe the Parry apologists on this site! Are we not allowed to be critical of the team after ONE win in NINETEEN games! To suggest in some way it is the fans fault if we get relegated in delusional! It is the fault of well paid players and a manager who is out of his depth and doesn't know how to turn things around! The away support has been brilliant and very patient this season! I'd say we are entitled to show our displeasure after NO wins in NINE away games! I didn't hear the Parry supporters criticising everyone when there were calls for Barnes and McAteer to go. Double standards AGAIN from the pro Parry camp!

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Deadly Submarine (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 10:08

Get your facts straight before engaging keyboard. I didn't agree with the Barnes out chants either so don't judge people you don't even know.



Deadly Submarine

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: HalfManHalfBrewery (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 10:21

Not judging anybody Mr Submarine! If you feel insulted i apologise and believe we all need to stick together! Really don't understand why supporters of the same club fall out anyway! Although it is baffling how Les still has the support of so many after such a diabolical run of results!

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Deadly Submarine (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 10:44

Fair enough Mr Halfmanhalfbrewery:p

I don't have a gripe with opinions that differ to mine however bizarre some of them may be I just object to the way it's sometimes undertaken.

People argue that anyone performing badly in a job would get the sack but hardly anyone in any other profession would be subjected to such personal abuse.



Deadly Submarine

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: trfcjames (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 10:54

Were supporters, we love the club, it's what we do. Do you not think putting your opinions to the back of your mind and supporting the team will help the team?

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: carnal (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 11:20

Football isn't like any other business, though, it's something that we've invested time, money, joy and tears in. It's something that we think about on a daily basis, we argue with each other about it, we share dreams with each other, we discus it with non-Tranmere football fans and people who don't care for football at all. Some of us will be here long after Les and PJ have gone, some won't.

Having said this we must still remember that it's a business too. It's clear that some won't come if the football is poor, some won't come if we're constantly stuck at the bottom, some won't come if the cost out-weighs the pleasure, some won't come if their friends won't come, some won't come if they feel that there's no future or no hope.

I personally feel that Les has had it easy. He hasn't received the abuse that previous managers have. All the people that I go to the match with don't want him here. However, they feel guilty speaking badly of him or encouraging his removal.

There's an elephant in the room and it's about time that Johnson stops ignoring it.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: JimmyGa (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 11:42

HalfMan wasn't subjecting Les to abuse but expressing an opinion on a fan's forum! Isn't that what it is for? Most Rovers fans are baffled by the fact that our chairman can give Ronnie the bullet while finishing just outside the play-offs but have faith in Les who's side has won 1 game in 19!! Sack a competent manager and then hire the physio as a cheap replacement! Only at Tranmere could this happen.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Deadly Submarine (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 12:27

Quote:
JimmyGa
HalfMan wasn't subjecting Les to abuse but expressing an opinion on a fan's forum! Isn't that what it is for? Most Rovers fans are baffled by the fact that our chairman can give Ronnie the bullet while finishing just outside the play-offs but have faith in Les who's side has won 1 game in 19!! Sack a competent manager and then hire the physio as a cheap replacement! Only at Tranmere could this happen.

I was referring to abuse generally not specifically to Halfmanhalfbrewery to be fair.



Deadly Submarine

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: SprayItAboutLikeJimHarvey (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 12:40

Underperforming people in other professions don't have to put up with so much abuse but I reckon that one of the big reasons that people go to football is to let out a bit of the animal in them once a week! If that kind of thing wasn't allowed attendances would be a lot lower than they are, hence a big part of a footballer's salary comes from being willing to perform in front of a fickle and fairly volatile mob.
I didn't enjoy the abuse on Saturday but I agree with those people saying that the Tranmere fans have been very restrained up until now. I'd prefer that it didn't happen but I'm convinced it would have been worse, and happened sooner, at most other clubs and some recognition of that should be given.
Really can't judge anyone for finally blowing their stack. It was inevitable that it would happen at some point.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Ricci (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 14:35

Quote:
trfcjames
stop blaming the fans? i thi9nk you should all take a good look at yourself, how dare you call yourself supporters when you react like that in the second half. do you honestly think the players would have performed as bad in the second half if you all got behind them? no way. if we go down you will all be blaming les and his tactics etc etc etc but it will be your fault.

This has to be a wind up surely? Yes how dare I call myself a supporter for splashing out on a seaosn ticket for 10+ years, and being disgusted with the current regime?

How dare I use a Tanmere Rovers supporters forum to discuss the current plight. Chanting anti-Les songs at the game is something I wouldn't do personally, but can completely understand why some would.

To say it would be the fans fault if we go down is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this forum.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: trfcjames (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 15:11

i wasnt even aiming it at you, just those who boo the team and therefore hinder the progress

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Mikey (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 15:56

Quote:
trfcjames
Were supporters, we love the club, it's what we do. Do you not think putting your opinions to the back of your mind and supporting the team will help the team?

Did you even read my post before you replied that.

I think you should read it again.

In fact I'll even type it out here...

Take Oldham for example - first half the fans were great, yet the players gave NOTHING...

Players have been supported for 18.5 games and it hasn't helped. Get off your high horse or you'll be the first man to reach mars at this rate...

FYI I didn't boo or chant but I fully understand why, I don't think it had any influence on the team for above mentioned point - they were @#$%& in the first half when the support was good, and for every other game lately...

Quote:
trfcjames
thi9nk you should all take a good look at yourself, how dare you call yourself supporters when you react like that in the second half. do you honestly think the players would have performed as bad in the second half if you all got behind them? no way. if we go down you will all be blaming les and his tactics etc etc etc but it will be your fault.


(Sm22) Not missed a game all season, which although doesn't give me any more right to an opinion than anyone else, that comment by you is utterly ridiculous. Do you think the support for our players in the first half affected them? I don't 'cause they were still shockingly bad.

Blaming the fans if we get relegated (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22)



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 28/02/2012 16:01 by Mikey.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Deadly Submarine (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 16:17

Before anyone comes back to Mikey and says "anyone can say they've been to every game" I can back that up 100% that he has!



Deadly Submarine

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Mikey (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 16:23

Main point was though, unless a fan decides to blow up the team bus so we have no players to blame them for relegation, if it happens is ludicrous.

I completely disagree that the fans are to blame for losing to Oldham but if you do think they are; please explain why we got beat in the other 18 games when their hasn't been any sustained chanting during those games?! (Sm16)

Of all the rubbish put on here lately I think that tops it.



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Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Mal again (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 16:39

On a positive note, we have won more league ga,mes this season than the 1938 side. They hold the 'Championship' record for poorest performance in a season. So could be worse ;0)

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Kingsholm (Cherry and ) White (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 16:56

What were the stats for that season, Mal?



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Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: garyrov (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 17:43

Quote:
trfcjames
stop blaming the fans? i thi9nk you should all take a good look at yourself, how dare you call yourself supporters when you react like that in the second half. do you honestly think the players would have performed as bad in the second half if you all got behind them? no way. if we go down you will all be blaming les and his tactics etc etc etc but it will be your fault.
i have never read such a stupid remark as that ,to blame the fans if we go down good god man what are you on ,you realy are very stupid to say such a coment ,i think a trip back to the planwet you come from is on the cards (Sm132)

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Mal again (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 17:43

Assuming you are serious! Played 42 won 6 drew 5 lost 31, away won 0 drew 1 !

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: trfcjames (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 17:49

the fans have not supported the team for 18.5 of the games, just look at huddersfield home, wycombe away. i can think walsall home last season, yeovil home last season where the fans were to blame for losing points, especially the walsall game. i bet you if we played all our home games and a couple of away games behind closed doors we would be mid-table. les said himslef that the players could hear the abuse and that it was affecting them.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: garyrov (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 17:54

Quote:
trfcjames
the fans have not supported the team for 18.5 of the games, just look at huddersfield home, wycombe away. i can think walsall home last season, yeovil home last season where the fans were to blame for losing points, especially the walsall game. i bet you if we played all our home games and a couple of away games behind closed doors we would be mid-table. les said himslef that the players could hear the abuse and that it was affecting them.
another stupic remark ,you need help mate your so pro les your embarrasing may i repeat take a trip back to the planet you must come from ,and take les with you ,oddd(Sm132)

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Mikey (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 17:57

Get a grip will you, and get over yourself. You are the worst type of fan. The super fan on his high horse that just tries to put down other fans.

At Wycombe SWA was chanted for pretty much the whole game, occasionally, but not always, some people chanted Parry Out in between the SWA, SWA bit etc - but only a few and probably unhearable for the players.

I actually think thats a great way to support the team and express an opinion.

The reason we lost to Walsall at home last year was due to Les' subs and the team sitting far to deep. Any team which sits that deep is going to concede, it's bloody inevitable. If he'd left Dale on and told him to stand on the halfway line that'd have made Walsall keep two men back... but no, he took him off.

Don't want people to express an opinion, secret games behind closed doors... are you running for the next president of North Korea or something (Sm100)


EDIT: In May 2005.. did you believe we got to an FA Cup QF and the play-offs because of the fans then? It was all down to the fans rather than the management and playing team?

Or 08/09 season under RM, was that all down to the fans, or a good team effectively managed?

Under JB.. was he a poor manager with a poor squad, or was it just the fans fault....?



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 28/02/2012 18:10 by Mikey.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: garyrov (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 18:04

well said mikey i very good point ,i cant believe the rubbish trfcjames is spoutin its so off the scale ,to blame the fans for 1 win in 19 is odd to say the least ,think he needs help or on some real strong stuff ,

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: trfcjames (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 18:10

what about the parry out banners? have we all forgotten about them? thats a good way to support the team isnt it? oh wait. jenno was playing **** thats why he was taken off and goody was injured. the reason we were playing so deep was because of the pressure from the 'fans'. lets say we do get relegated, could the majority of you honestly say you have done enough to support the team throughout the season? all that had a go at me are just protecting their conscience because you know if we do go down you will feel so guilty. i have said all i need to say on this subject for the rest of the season on this site so i will leave it all down to you, not a wise move but there you go. post what you want because i wont see it.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Mikey (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 18:15

The ones that come out in the last 10 minutes? Yes, thats why Mark McChrystal made two awful mistakes in the first half of the game, because of a single Parry Out banner in the 80th min!

Jennings was a threat because of his pace, thats why they'd have to leave two to deal with him.. simples.

Again stop blaming the fans, it's no fans fault if we get relegated. Not mine, not yours. If you want me to be really pedantic I'll argue all day long its people like you who are at fault for not putting more pressure on a manger doing no good for the football club.

As if people will feel guilty, you are seriously deluded.

Goodbye (Sm150) (Sm60)



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Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: garyrov (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 18:16

Quote:
trfcjames
what about the parry out banners? have we all forgotten about them? thats a good way to support the team isnt it? oh wait. jenno was playing **** thats why he was taken off and goody was injured. the reason we were playing so deep was because of the pressure from the 'fans'. lets say we do get relegated, could the majority of you honestly say you have done enough to support the team throughout the season? all that had a go at me are just protecting their conscience because you know if we do go down you will feel so guilty. i have said all i need to say on this subject for the rest of the season on this site so i will leave it all down to you, not a wise move but there you go. post what you want because i wont see it.
byeee byeeee dont forget turn right at mars and the planet you came from is about ten light years on your left(Sm132)

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 19:12

Quote:
Hoots Mon
If nothing changes then it is likely to be a toxic and poisonous atmosphere I'm afraid.



And the trfcjames high handed type of remarks will just ensure that my comment from earlier in this thread WILL happen.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: BELMONT (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 21:23

At this moment in time Chesterfield getting beat 3-0(now 4-0) at home to Charlton but one thing with Chesterfield they have not lost two league games at home on the trot since October 15th and 22nd most of their runs at home have been one draw and one defeat or two wins together so it`s just our luck(sound like Parry)they will either beat us or it will end a draw or as a long shot they may lose two on the trot and we will take all three points
but some how I will not hold my breath on that one but you never know we can only hope.



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Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: bigmart (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 21:36

now 4 0 down so a fair tonking just like oldham suffered before they palyed us. We should try taking the game to them and really go for it but i cant see it happening.

As for blaming the crowd that really is a pathetic excuse,as for the Huddersfield game we scored when the parry chants were going on.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 22:19

Quote:
BELMONT
At this moment in time Chesterfield getting beat 3-0(now 4-0) at home to Charlton but one thing with Chesterfield they have not lost two league games at home on the trot since October 15th and 22nd most of their runs at home have been one draw and one defeat or two wins together so it`s just our luck(sound like Parry)they will either beat us or it will end a draw or as a long shot they may lose two on the trot and we will take all three points
but some how I will not hold my breath on that one but you never know we can only hope.

We have only won one game in total since October 25th.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: @gony (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 22:20

Quote:
trfcjames
what about the parry out banners? have we all forgotten about them? thats a good way to support the team isnt it? oh wait. jenno was playing **** thats why he was taken off and goody was injured. the reason we were playing so deep was because of the pressure from the 'fans'. lets say we do get relegated, could the majority of you honestly say you have done enough to support the team throughout the season? all that had a go at me are just protecting their conscience because you know if we do go down you will feel so guilty. i have said all i need to say on this subject for the rest of the season on this site so i will leave it all down to you, not a wise move but there you go. post what you want because i wont see it.
Hope you reconcider James, don't let them bully you out ! they want their opiniond respect but attack others for theirs mine included, if your their Saturday come say hello to the bald skinhead with a big moth shouting to get behind the Tranmere Players, oh ~I shorts and flip flops too ! anyone who wants to disagree with my shouts, jog on, I'm going to support Tranmere not get in to any bickering

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 22:31

''You will realise that there are two sides to every argument''

Your own words I believe. So therefore others will be expressing the opposite viewpoint to you whether you like it or not.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Matt34 (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 22:38

Les said the players heard the chants and it affected them as they told him, that's a reported fact, but given the current situation, players would have had to be mindful that it could happen sometimes.

Blakcburn got it earlier in the season and the players would have been wise to do what it took, to shut the nouty fans up.

If they'd gotten into a situation where they were on top and looked like winning, the nouty fans would have soon exercised more silence probably.

I don't agree with chanting and I don't agree with booing as an expression, because it isn't always 100% clear why people boo, so wording your frustrations at a specific individual or individuals would help those dissaffected individuals to be more clear, if needs must.

Some players need to realise though because of the Blackburn scenario, fans were likely to possibly do it at some point, so they should have been aware and tried to do what it takes to make those fans reconsider.

There's not much you can do about Bournemouth; Yeovil was a bit unlucky too, Rochdale possibly a win, with a few big players available, but losing 2-1 to Wycombe when you're ahead, or getting enough openings against Carlisle to win and not sinking a single opportunity, is not good enough.

Now is when some players will find what they can give and find what they are made of if they have sense. If Les won't necessarily consider any tactical alterations, then players must try harder to achieve more, with the setup they work within on the pitch, to either prove that maybe Les's tactics or they, are more plausible than people will give credit for.



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: @gony (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 22:56

Quote:
Hoots Mon
''You will realise that there are two sides to every argument''
Your own words I believe. So therefore others will be expressing the opposite viewpoint to you whether you like it or not.
cheers, I think you proved my point very well
and it was Pez who started the 2 sides comments when putting donw a side that differed from his

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 23:05

Why are you taking a big moth to the game with you?(Sm6)

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: @gony (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 23:18

Quote:
Hoots Mon
Why are you taking a big moth to the game with you?(Sm6)
agian thank you for confirming my thoughts and showing other posters how you like to try and jump on and belittle posters that don't agree with you..................... "big moth" ? try carry it on ! your only making You look daft hoots
Oh Bondage and bifters and everywhere were go, we are the rovers.........................................

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 23:44

(Sm110)

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: @gony (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 23:54

Quote:
Hoots Mon
(Sm110)
ah bless ! well done hoots ! point well made

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: JonnyL (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2012 09:28

Quote:
jade-trfc
haha so you expect the team to perform when fans get on there back for 45mins get in the real world the players have praised the fans for there support several times this season and when they need you, you turn your back on them

Christ you spout rubbish. We are on a run of 1 win in 19 games. In all bar 1 or 2 of those games the players have been backed to the hilt and guess what IT MADE NO DIFFERENCE! You can sing yourself hoarse but if tactically we are set up wrong then no matter how much noise is made it wont change anything.

The vast majority of supporters sang aginst the manager on Saturday so your sdaying if they chant Les Parrys name and praise him the players play better?

End of the day Les Parrys remorseless 451 formation and complete lack of tactical knowledge is what is killing us and sending us into L2 not the supporters. The supporters have been VERY patient with Les do you honestly think any other supporters in the country would put up with a run like ours? Incidentally I could be wrong but this current run could actually be the worst in or history.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: JonnyL (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2012 09:45

Quote:
trfcjames
what about the parry out banners? have we all forgotten about them? thats a good way to support the team isnt it? oh wait. jenno was playing **** thats why he was taken off and goody was injured. the reason we were playing so deep was because of the pressure from the 'fans'. lets say we do get relegated, could the majority of you honestly say you have done enough to support the team throughout the season? all that had a go at me are just protecting their conscience because you know if we do go down you will feel so guilty. i have said all i need to say on this subject for the rest of the season on this site so i will leave it all down to you, not a wise move but there you go. post what you want because i wont see it.

You seriously believe this? You honestly believe that pressure from fans make them defend too deep? I honestly think this is quite truely and honestly the single most stupid thing I have ever ever read on a football forum. You can picture the scene, the game is 50 minutes old and as another ball is pumped aimlessly forward to the isolated lone striker a few of the remaining loyal 4000 odd supporters who still bother to attend begin to grumble. Welsh on hearing the grumbles turns to the rest of his team mates and says, 'lads their having a moan quick sit back on the edge of our own box.....that will stop them from moaning.'

Dear god.

For the record I havent booed or chanted for the managers head as I dont see it making any difference. Parry will still be here come the Scunny game and will bemoan EVERYTHING that has sent us into L2 apart from his own shortcomings.

Here is a little question for TRFCJames, Jade and the others who feel that this chanting is hurtiing the players feelings. IF the players actively back and support the manager and they are aware of the pressure that is being applied during this poor run, then why have none of them come out and given him their support? Why have we not seen them give a reaction on the pitch to ensure the chanting doesnt happen?

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: JimmyGa (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2012 10:17

The players need to raise their game in these difficult times and Chesterfield away is now huge for our L1 survival! The fans have been patient and deserve much better from an underperforming squad and manager! How anyone can blame the supporters for our present predicament is mind boggling! It is Parry and his players who need to give the fans something positive to sing about with a decent performance and win v Chesterfield! After a run like ours i simply cannot see where the next win is coming from! Any other clubs supporters would have been demonstrating outside the ground by now and calling for the board to be dismissed!

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: pez (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2012 11:31

Quote:
@gony
Quote:
Hoots Mon
''You will realise that there are two sides to every argument''
Your own words I believe. So therefore others will be expressing the opposite viewpoint to you whether you like it or not.
cheers, I think you proved my point very well
and it was Pez who started the 2 sides comments when putting donw a side that differed from his

@gony, all you ever do is put down people who oppose your Les Loving Philosophy so your comment is a bit of Pot, Kettle, Black in my opinion.

I see it this way, you think Les is a good manager, and I see him as the guy who will take this club down.

I am not on my own in thinking this, hence the Les Out Banners and the Second Half Chanting at Oldham.

If you really love Tranmere Rovers as much as you make out, then surely you can see that Les Parry has taken this club as far as he can and failed miserably in the process?

I don't care what your opinion of Les is, I am being a realist, and lets face it, can you see where the next couple of wins are going to come from?

I am not trying to get into a slanging match with you on here, I am merely pointing out that some of your comments are naive to say the least.

Do you really think Les Parry should still be in charge at Tranmere Rovers? If so why? What has he done to inspire you so much?

He is even blaming the fans now for his own ineptitude? So far he has blamed everyone but himself.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: BELMONT (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2012 12:18

Dear Les Parry just a short note with ref to Chesterfield on Saturday I think it is time that the chalk line is drawn(this being a reference a line being drawn in ship building terms)
Back to that line the only way to cross that line on Saturday is to go for it none of the negative 4-5-1 /3-3-3 or any other(Sm164) combination that you put out to defend for that one point it is time to go for the jugular and attack(Sm138)with all guns even if those guns are a little rusty but if there`s one match to go for it this is the one we need that win and if the fans can see you are going for it they will back you but put up that line of defence and one man leading the attack by him self against a team like Chesterfield they will not be happy(Sm58)and will see their(Sm98).
Who will be looking to bounce back from yesterdays defeat because their manager will install in them that they can beat a team with a worse record than themselves over the last 19 games and we are ready for the taking so for once Les ATTACK
ATTACK(Sm138)(Sm138) we need this win now.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Matt34 (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2012 22:51

Tranmere will definitely lose with a 3-3-3 formation (Sm7).

Sorry couldn't resist.

I'm wondering when Les will actually use 4-42 again, becasue for 20-30 minutes at the end of a game, is a it yeah whatever.

He needs to make something different happen, if only to see what comes of it and besides if 4-4-2 failed to work for 4-5 games, he'd have given the fans what they craved for so long and then be in a position to tell them he caved into their wants and look what happened.

So depnding on what came of using it, he'd either prove the fans right about 4-4-2, or be in a position to subtly diss the fans for wanting something that didn't work.



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2012 22:58

1 win in 19 suggests we've long since caved in.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: bigmart (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2012 23:01

For virtually the whole time les has been manager he has used the same system he isnt likely to change now.

We have always struggles to score goals under les and that will not change, his philsophy is we start the game with a point try not to lose it and then maybe we can nick a win.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: BELMONT (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2012 23:05

Quote:
Matt34
Tranmere will definitely lose with a 3-3-3 formation (Sm7).
Sorry couldn't resist.

I'm wondering when Les will actually use 4-42 again, becasue for 20-30 minutes at the end of a game, is a it yeah whatever.

He needs to make something different happen, if only to see what comes of it and besides if 4-4-2 failed to work for 4-5 games, he'd have given the fans what they craved for so long and then be in a position to tell them he caved into their wants and look what happened.

So depnding on what came of using it, he'd either prove the fans right about 4-4-2, or be in a position to subtly diss the fans for wanting something that didn't work.

Perhaps he should go for ye olde 5-3-2 and have five up front (Sm22)
and to hell(Sm113)with it and go for it you never know we might win it can not do any worse than we have done over the last 19 games.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Matt34 (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2012 23:57

Alternatively, just a 1 - 10 formation.

The Fon playing it into space and all 10 players running forwards in one long line, across the width of the pitch, like a line of Roman soldiers trampling anyone who gets in their way, making little passes to one another, like kids playing pass the parcel and then the fans could stop accusing Les of using hoof ball and accuse him of using dink ball (Sm6)



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: kennel (IP Logged)
Date: 01 March, 2012 10:06

I think most of us agree we must be more positive on Sat. against Chesterfeild...drop Weir(can't tackle or pass)and Welsh(tackles late and too slow)and replace them with Robbo(skillful with a great football brain)and Labadie(It's a disgrace he's been on the bench all season).I know it won't happen but I can only dream what might have been.As Hoots Mon said the other day...."it's time to twist not stick"Be brave for once Dr.Parry.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: HalfManHalfBrewery (IP Logged)
Date: 01 March, 2012 10:33

Would love to think that Parry will select an attacking line up to really take it to Chesterfield on Saturday and have the game won by half time! The last nineteen games suggest that this will not happen! Time to go for broke Les! Let's not go there looking to nick a 0-1 win because it NEVER happens! Let's go down fighting at the very least! A battling away performace to make us all proud is required! It shows how far we have fallen when many on here aren't optimistic about us beating the side who are BOTTOM of Div 1!!! Worrying times ahead!

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Tinbath (IP Logged)
Date: 01 March, 2012 14:17

I think Robinson is a shoe in for Chesterfield as in reality the thing that seems to be missing from our play at the momement is the ability use formation/ position as a guide only and think about where you (the players) need to be to make a positive impact on the game.

It was criminal at Oldham the amount of times Deveaney got in a position to cross the ball but other players did not commit to the space. McGurk was the worst offender as he rigidly stuck to the wing effectivley waiting for over hit crosses leaving the far post empty of white shirts and forcing to Brunt to remain in a central posisiton to cover all bases and not able to commit to the near post. This meant almost every cross was easy for the central defenders and keepers as they didn't need to think about who was where they just knew. McGurk though was not the only one stuck to his position. I am all for formation but strict aderhance in the attacking third will not win us games where gambling will come up with rewards. Im not saying 442 will solve this as a 451 does not mean only in 1 in the box.

In the end until the team recognise this results will not change. I am not certain if Parry is at fault for this but he has to encourage it to change as for too long on this run it is apparent it is not happening.

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Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: jade-trfc (IP Logged)
Date: 01 March, 2012 14:50

I understand that les is the manager but if you take barnes for ecample he got abuse for final 20 mins of match not 45 and you can't say we haven't had chances because we have so are the strickers not as much to blame then you could say we les signed the strickers so its his fault well the my opinion is if the chairman wasn't such a tight @#$%& we would still have ronnie moore and we would have strickers who no werr the nets is but we have to realise tht were no longer a team who is competing to get to championship were a team that is set to avoid relegation but people need to look behind the sceanes and not always at les

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: pez (IP Logged)
Date: 01 March, 2012 15:04

Quote:
jade-trfc
I understand that les is the manager but if you take barnes for ecample he got abuse for final 20 mins of match not 45 and you can't say we haven't had chances because we have so are the strickers not as much to blame then you could say we les signed the strickers so its his fault well the my opinion is if the chairman wasn't such a tight @#$%& we would still have ronnie moore and we would have strickers who no werr the nets is but we have to realise tht were no longer a team who is competing to get to championship were a team that is set to avoid relegation but people need to look behind the sceanes and not always at les

I don't agree with your comments there Jade.

Les identifies potential targets, he than goes to see P.J to ask for some finances to sign the said target. P.J gives said money to Les and the player becomes ours.

Les then decides whether or not to pick said player or leave him on the bench, however he see's fit.

Les then picks the team every week, decides which areas the players need to work on in training and directs the team on where and how he wishes them to play.

With all these factors in mind, it is very difficult to blame anyone else apart from Les for our horrendous run of form this season.

It would suggest to me that Les has no idea how to select the right tactics or play the team in their best positions?

Unfortunately as the Team Manager, the buck stops with Les.

Peter Johnson has set an annual budget and as such we are very limited to the standard of players we can attract to Prenton Park.

Les has had nearly 3 seasons in charge, and nearly all of our players are signings made by him.

I fail to see how the blame can be shouldered onto anyone else apart from Les Parry?

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Mikey (IP Logged)
Date: 01 March, 2012 15:09

Jade, the team is better than just avoiding relegation, and better than 1 win in 19. It is also better than this current style of play. No one is asking us to be top 6 but we're woeful and heading to L2 in the same way Swindon did last season.

Booing at Oldham came after we went 1-0 down. We haven't come from behind to win a game under Les ever. In reality as soon as we go 1 down these days the game is practically lost sad smiley



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Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: jade-trfc (IP Logged)
Date: 01 March, 2012 16:27

The other week I said it time for les to go and am still of that opinion but fans need to realize 45 mins of abuses isn't help anyone pj isn't listening and he's not foing to while he has a cheap option to manage us he only cares about the pounds yes the football has been @#$%& but when you are averages 7 shots on target a game and not scoring you cannot blame les because our players dnt no how to score a goal we don't have the ability to sign decent forwards such as greenacre hume moore howarth dadi because our chairman wants out if u want to get pj to. Listen get him wear it hurts and that's his wallett

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: pez (IP Logged)
Date: 01 March, 2012 16:34

Quote:
jade-trfc
The other week I said it time for les to go and am still of that opinion but fans need to realize 45 mins of abuses isn't help anyone pj isn't listening and he's not foing to while he has a cheap option to manage us he only cares about the pounds yes the football has been @#$%& but when you are averages 7 shots on target a game and not scoring you cannot blame les because our players dnt no how to score a goal we don't have the ability to sign decent forwards such as greenacre hume moore howarth dadi because our chairman wants out if u want to get pj to. Listen get him wear it hurts and that's his wallett

Jade,

I reffer to my previous post, ALL OUR STRIKERS WERE SIGNED BY LES!

Nothing to do with Peter Johnson, he just stumped up the cash to sign them.

Maybe Les' ability to spot a quality player should be in question?

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Mikey (IP Logged)
Date: 01 March, 2012 16:38

45 mins of support isn't helping either though is it?

Should people just sit at home? Not bother? Really let the club die, now?

Maybe, if they want. But I expect they don't.

If they're there and they've paid they've every right to express their opinion as it seems clear from the team's performances, the crowd seemingly doesn't affect them at all (either way.)

7 shots on target means @#$%& all by the way, its goalscoring chances which count. We had a few shots at Oldham from far out that were tame, same for the home game vs Charlton and most others. We don't create enough goalscoring chances, thats our problem. A shot on target can be achieved by a 30 yarder but doesn't mean it ever had any realistic chance of beating the 'keeper.



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Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 01 March, 2012 16:50

Quote:
jade-trfc
I understand that les is the manager but if you take barnes for ecample he got abuse for final 20 mins of match not 45 and you can't say we haven't had chances because we have so are the strickers not as much to blame then you could say we les signed the strickers so its his fault well the my opinion is if the chairman wasn't such a tight @#$%& we would still have ronnie moore and we would have strickers who no werr the nets is but we have to realise tht were no longer a team who is competing to get to championship were a team that is set to avoid relegation but people need to look behind the sceanes and not always at les

I thought a ''stricker''was a top American golfer.If he's used to putting the little ball into a hole,no wonder he can't put the big one into the net. If he's trying to be under par,no wonder he can't score.smiling smiley

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: garyrov (IP Logged)
Date: 01 March, 2012 17:26

it all comes down to one fact ,if we lose to chesterfield on saturday then all joking apart les must then relise he is not the man for the job and must go ,even les cant condone what he is doing with the team his tactics dont work he blames everone even the fans for our worst run in history and never blames himself ,he has no idea how to manage a team he is totaly out of his depth ,so les even you must relise that another defeat to the likes of chesterfield must spell the end of your managment ,give it up les your hopeless

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Matt34 (IP Logged)
Date: 01 March, 2012 21:24

Les does sign the strikers yes, but with poor money.

Tranmere would undoubtedly score more goals, if they could afford the likes of James Beattie on a free transfer, but then they would have the kind of money, to buy a player like Tubbs as well, if they could afford Beattie's wage.

Having said that, the strikers need to show more of something, whether it's guile, initiative, inventiveness or what. McGurk had 3 in 3 and Devaney started scoring and setting up, but they may well be not getting enough support from others around them and Tranmere's front 6, can't subsist on 2 players doing good things, when other permanent players don't produce enough added extra, like Welsh and Weir at times don't. Weirs goal scoring has tapered off and Welsh has contributed virtually nothing of late hwere goals and assists are concerned.

2 assists and a goal os far, versus 4 assists and 4 goals last season.

Robbo hopefully coming back and Fon William's rant about Oldham, may make something happen and Enoch has a point to prove himself.

Chesterfield must be a win and hopefully a solid one, not a scrape over the line result, to porve what Tranmere have actually got because it's more than they show at times.



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: @gony (IP Logged)
Date: 01 March, 2012 21:49

thought Exeter did well to get Cureton today !

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: Matt34 (IP Logged)
Date: 01 March, 2012 23:05

I never understood their decision to let him leave anyway.



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

 
Re: Chesterfield
Posted by: @gony (IP Logged)
Date: 02 March, 2012 02:11

if I remember he's getting on a bit now ! but think he'll help them in the coming weeks if he stays fit

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