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The Ozil Situation
Discussion started by younghansolo , 20 February, 2019 16:03
The Ozil Situation
younghansolo 20 February, 2019 16:03
It's an absolute disgrace form all parties involved.

Wenger and the Board:

They signed this guy up because they didn't want to lose face with Sanchez going. As a consequence he's being paid a ridiculous sum of money we can ill afford even if he was on fire.

Emery:

He's betting his career on not playing Ozil. If we don't make the champions league and keep failing to create chances you can bet that fans will turn on him for not playing Ozil. Especially if we go out against Bate actually. Not to mention that having decided to sell Wilshere and a reluctance to play Smith-Rowe we were already lighter in midfield anyway.

Emery has form too. He's done thins with other so called big players. He had an epic fallout with Neymar and Cavani in recent seasons.

Ozil:

He's no saint. I was critical of him after his antics with Germany and I've been critical of him generally as I feel he flatters to deceive. He's happy taking a massive wage and playing fortnite while his team-mates take the flack.

What is clear though is that Ozil is capable of creating goals from nowhere, something we have been dreadful at for the last few months.
What is also clear to me, is that he should be playing for us if fit. It's obvious that he's considerably more talented than other options and to not play him is wasteful financially and foolish operationally.

Re: The Ozil Situation
mapleleafgooner 20 February, 2019 16:11
Quote:
younghansolo
It's an absolute disgrace form all parties involved.
.......

Emery:

He's betting his career on not playing Ozil. If we don't make the champions league and keep failing to create chances you can bet that fans will turn on him for not playing Ozil. Especially if we go out against Bate actually. Not to mention that having decided to sell Wilshere and a reluctance to play Smith-Rowe we were already lighter in midfield anyway.

.......

When Emery joined, it was aspirational to get back into the CL on the first try but most realistic fans know this is a tall order with the current squad we have. That squad needs at least 3 to 4 transfer windows to clean house. Emery has my support to sit Ozil if he chooses to.

Re: The Ozil Situation
SandyB 20 February, 2019 21:17
I want Ozil out. Whatever the way possible out, not worth even half the money he gets n before him it was Torres and Shevchenko were the legend of flops in Chelsea n people used to talk about Arshavin a flop. Ozil is flip flop the worst flop.

Re: The Ozil Situation
SuperRob 20 February, 2019 21:20
It's impossible to say with confidence that we'd be better off with Ozil playing every week.

And I think this neymar thing is probably way overblown.

Re: The Ozil Situation
Optimistic Gunner 20 February, 2019 22:11
Ornstein seems to believe the Ozil situation is mainly stemming from the hierarchy and not Emery as the board now want to force Ozil out in the summer by not playing him.



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Re: The Ozil Situation
Gunnersingh1 20 February, 2019 22:29
Quote:
SuperRob
It's impossible to say with confidence that we'd be better off with Ozil playing every week.
And I think this neymar thing is probably way overblown.

Ozil creats more chances than any player we've got. That's a fact.

If Ozil doesn't start tomorrow and we go out, Emery is in big big trouble!

Re: The Ozil Situation
PKGooner 20 February, 2019 22:40
Ozil is a coward, as I have been saying from the day he signed pretty much.

#ItoldYou.

Re: The Ozil Situation
goonerred 21 February, 2019 08:50
Quote:
Gunnersingh1
Quote:
SuperRob
It's impossible to say with confidence that we'd be better off with Ozil playing every week.
And I think this neymar thing is probably way overblown.

Ozil creats more chances than any player we've got. That's a fact.

If Ozil doesn't start tomorrow and we go out, Emery is in big big trouble!
He does if he feels up for it, more often than not, he's not up for it and is ineffective.

Re: The Ozil Situation
Padre Pio 21 February, 2019 14:26
Well Emery has made it clear what the problem is, he says that Ozil has made himself unavailable for numerous training sessions and matches. He says that if Ozil applies himself he could be a regular part of the team. It’s clear that Emery is saying that Ozil has not had valid reasons for not taking part. So if Emery isn’t telling the truth let’s hear from Ozil what has actually happened.
I don’t think Emery could lie on this, if he has then it would be actionable in court as defamation.
If Ozil is not pulling his weight I am not prepared to back him.



"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Re: The Ozil Situation
litmus 21 February, 2019 15:26
Emery did say that Ozil has to make himself available by not being sick or injured when called upon. Emery does not come across as a lying/manipulative type of person, although like any other manager I am sure they are times that he has to bite his tongue based on higher orders or circumstances. He also said Ozil's future is in his hands, and he can be a big part of Arsenal if he applies himself.

The thing is does Ozil even want to apply himself. Seems he has lost the joy of playing the game, there is no fight in him. And I am not talking about the lack of tackling and tracking back. He seemed forced on the field, like a painter who doesn't want to paint anymore.

Its a shame for such a talented player if it has really come to that.

Re: The Ozil Situation
Jonny Bravo 21 February, 2019 16:10
He was never the player we needed at the start of the so called "we can compete with Bayern" phase.

He's a Goldilocks player, the conditions for him to excel have to be created by those around him, hes the final piece of an intricate team building jigsaw, not somebody who is going to carry the team on his own in the way Alexis did.
He was the teachers pet under Wenger, now under Emery he's expected to muck in like everybody else and he cant hack it.
Added to that the club are now in austerity mode again, and are looking for ways to force him off the wage bill.
Its a sorry mess, and the backroom chicanery which has gone on since the summer doesn't fill you with confidence that anybody at the club has the power or the interest in sorting it out in a way which will be beneficial on the pitch



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Re: The Ozil Situation
MattySadler 22 February, 2019 06:00
Even under Wenger, who appeared to pander to him completely, Ozil would often go missing, both literally and figuratively. So this isn't a new thing, but it is now costing us an awful lot more.

I get why we gave him the big contract. It was to save face and as part of a big (failed) gamble to get into the Champions League along with Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang, but it was a mistake.

Ozil has had a lot of great moments for us. That Leicester performance this season being the most recent example. He is a special player capable of doing special things, but I don't think anyone on this planet truly believes he does it consistently enough to warrant the money he is on.

We're now a self-sufficient Europa League club stuck with a player earning astronomical super club Champions League wages, who often goes missing in games or makes himself unavailable for selection. He genuinely doesn't seem that bothered about football anymore. He has his big wages and his worldwide brand.

Looking at the level we're now, our financial situation, and the obvious gaping holes in our squad, the embarrassing defence and the complete absence of any pacey wide players, and I just think it is best for us if Ozil goes.

Problem is I can't see what team would want him now he's on that sort of money, and why he would want to go...


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