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Emery out
Gunnersingh1 (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 14:39
I've had enough of him; Poor team selections. poor subs and poor tactics.

He's as pragmatic as Mourinho.

We're going nowhere under Emery. Noi point waiting 3 years, get rid of him!

 
Re: Emery out
SuperRob (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 14:41
cool story

 
Re: Emery out
Big Guhnz (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 14:43
None of what you said is actually true so I can’t actually see the logic in this thread

 
Re: Emery out
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 14:44
What a fraud.
Arsene Wenger 2017/18 Mark 4.0.



'I like the total intensification, where there are crashes and bangs everywhere, pure adrenaline and no one being able to breathe' Jurgen Klopp.

 
Re: Emery out
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 14:50
Ppl were sooner or later going to figure out that emery plays Kolasinac as a wide forward who just anyways cuts it back for ppl at the edge of the box.

The reason west ham for so many blocks in vs what happened at Chelsea early in the season is that every knows now emery has instructed players to exit for the cut back and west ham was covering an the players day for cut backs today.

If we played at west ham early in the season, we would have had more clear cut chances and probably scored 3-4.

When you come in with new ideas , ppl take time to figure out how you are playing. Ppl have now figureed out, so it only gets tougher from now on

 
Re: Emery out
Big Guhnz (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 14:51
Nobody was saying that 22 games in lmao fans are supremely fickle (Sm45)

 
Re: Emery out
Kalela (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 14:53
I know there are a lot of injuries but his line ups and substitutions lately have been bad. I also don't understand the point of freezing out Ozil when this team lacks creativity all together. The strikers are isolated and barely touch the ball all game. I still won't blame Emery though. There is not enough quality in this team and the ownership is refusing to invest in the team.



Dream acquisitions:

CB: Issa Diop
RB: Aaron Wan-Bissaka
DM: Franck Kessie/Yves Bissouma/Ndidi
Wing/Attack: Anton Rebic/Pepe

 
Re: Emery out
Gunnersingh1 (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 14:54
Quote:
Big Guhnz
None of what you said is actually true so I can’t actually see the logic in this thread

Err it is!

Pragmatic: Playing 3 CB's and 3 defensive midfielders in a lot of games.

Poor selections: Not picking Ozil who's our only creativite player. Not picking Torriera today and so on, and so on.

Subs: Should have have brought on Nkeitah. Picking the wrong team and then bringing on the players who should have started is not a skill!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/01/2019 14:58 by Gunnersingh1.

 
Re: Emery out
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 15:44
Quote:
Big Guhnz
Nobody was saying that 22 games in lmao fans are supremely fickle (Sm45)

Doesn't it proves it is a freak result .. like 5,000 to 1 odd winning the title?

2nd half of the season is where the wheat is separated from the chaff.

On the other hand, just look at ManU during 1st half and was left in the dust, a distance figure on the horizon, in Top-4 race.
Now, where is ManU in the 2nd half of the season?



'I like the total intensification, where there are crashes and bangs everywhere, pure adrenaline and no one being able to breathe' Jurgen Klopp.

 
Re: Emery out
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 16:51
Dont want him gone but a lot of his decisions have backfired recently and if he ends up with wengerish away record in the second half of the season then come may 2019 it might be a pbm for him.

We havent played the top sides away. City, wolves, spurs, everton, watdord, etc still to come

 
Re: Emery out
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 17:05
Winning the Europa League Cup is the only way to save Emery bacon.
No way we can beat Tony Totts in FA Cup 4th Round.
We simply do not have a game changer in our locker now.

Otherwise, the rumbling now will grow into a howl for blood comes May 2019.



'I like the total intensification, where there are crashes and bangs everywhere, pure adrenaline and no one being able to breathe' Jurgen Klopp.

 
Re: Emery out
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 17:27
[soccersouls.com]

Rumbling starting mow.



'I like the total intensification, where there are crashes and bangs everywhere, pure adrenaline and no one being able to breathe' Jurgen Klopp.

 
Re: Emery out
Big Guhnz (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 17:42
Quote:
Merlion96
Quote:
Big Guhnz
Nobody was saying that 22 games in lmao fans are supremely fickle (Sm45)

Doesn't it proves it is a freak result .. like 5,000 to 1 odd winning the title?

2nd half of the season is where the wheat is separated from the chaff.

On the other hand, just look at ManU during 1st half and was left in the dust, a distance figure on the horizon, in Top-4 race.
Now, where is ManU in the 2nd half of the season?

A 22 game freak result?

 
Re: Emery out
BootyDaddy (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 18:59
Our team is s.hit. The problem is the board because the squad needs major investment and they're not willing to put their money where their mouths are (you know like they promised they would when we were sold the Emirates will put us level with the worlds elite lie).

What is a new manager going to do on a budget of .... loan players?

Not a great deal more than Emery I'd guess.



Albert Einstein once said: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

 
Re: Emery out
SandyB (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 21:05
Crazy thread

 
Re: Emery out
grayfox1 (IP Logged)
12 January, 2019 21:56
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SandyB
Crazy thread


Sorry GS. From my two favourite posters on here i choose a brazilian... and ar.se shaving.

 
Re: Emery out
MattySadler (IP Logged)
13 January, 2019 12:37
Let's look at it this way; it isn't like Emery inherited a title winning side, is it? He inherited a side that had twice finished outside of the top four and were absolutely useless away from home last season. While Wenger was lucky enough to inherit one of our best ever defences, Emery has inherited what is probably one of our worst. He's inherited a side that had been gradually declining under the reign of Wenger and Gazidis, an aging side littered with players not good enough and earning well beyond their ability. It's difficult enough replacing a manager who had been in charge of A GOOD side for over 20 years, just look at United post-Ferguson, let alone a manager who had been in charge of a poor one.

So we've got Arsenal, the 6th best side in England, both in terms of last season's league position and, in my opinion, compared man-to-man to the five sides that finished above us. In the summer we spent around £70 million, the same amount Liverpool spent on a single defender last winter and slightly less than Chelsea spent on one goalkeeper in the summer. We've added four senior players (Lichtsteiner, Leno, Sokratis and Torreira. Forget Guendouzi for now), and I think its fair to say that freebie Lichtsteiner aside, they're all improvements on what was already here. Would any of you have said we only needed to improve three positions last season? Of course not.

The 22 game unbeaten run was a nice surprise but the stats showed we were performing way above our xG and it was going to catch up with us eventually. Less vaguely, though, as that run began to fall apart we lost Holding and Welbeck, and have been without the likes of Bellerin, Mustafi, Kolasinac and Monreal for extended periods, forcing us to rush Koscielny back from a long term injury and plug gaps with players like Xhaka, Lichtsteiner and Maitland-Niles out of position. We've also lost that intense high press and physicality that was giving us an edge, as evidenced by Torreira, star of our unbeaten run, looking spent and an absolute shadow of former self.

On top of all of this we've had ongoing issues with two of our best attacking players, Ramsey and Ozil, and we reach the January transfer window and find out we can't bring any players in permanently.

Emery was never my first choice to replace Wenger because, to be perfectly honest, I didn't know a great deal about him, but I think now isn't the time to be over the top and reactionary, it is the time to be realistic.

1) Realistically, no better manager was ever going to come to a club who are so tight financially. It was either a manager of Emery's level or some sort of unknown quantity like Arteta.
2) Realistically, we were always going to go through rough times following Wenger's 22 year reign. I 100% expected this regardless of who took over, and after how bad last season was this season has actually been better than I expected.
3) Realistically, we were never going to overtake our rivals by only improving three positions with relatively cheap signings. We're a long way off and a lot of work needs to be done.

I think we're all intelligent, mature and rational people. We knew it was going to be like this. We've undergone big changes behind the scenes that, in theory, will lead to big changes on the pitch.

 
Re: Emery out
goonerred (IP Logged)
13 January, 2019 12:50
Quote:
MattySadler
Let's look at it this way; it isn't like Emery inherited a title winning side, is it? He inherited a side that had twice finished outside of the top four and were absolutely useless away from home last season. While Wenger was lucky enough to inherit one of our best ever defences, Emery has inherited what is probably one of our worst. He's inherited a side that had been gradually declining under the reign of Wenger and Gazidis, an aging side littered with players not good enough and earning well beyond their ability. It's difficult enough replacing a manager who had been in charge of A GOOD side for over 20 years, just look at United post-Ferguson, let alone a manager who had been in charge of a poor one.
So we've got Arsenal, the 6th best side in England, both in terms of last season's league position and, in my opinion, compared man-to-man to the five sides that finished above us. In the summer we spent around £70 million, the same amount Liverpool spent on a single defender last winter and slightly less than Chelsea spent on one goalkeeper in the summer. We've added four senior players (Lichtsteiner, Leno, Sokratis and Torreira. Forget Guendouzi for now), and I think its fair to say that freebie Lichtsteiner aside, they're all improvements on what was already here. Would any of you have said we only needed to improve three positions last season? Of course not.

The 22 game unbeaten run was a nice surprise but the stats showed we were performing way above our xG and it was going to catch up with us eventually. Less vaguely, though, as that run began to fall apart we lost Holding and Welbeck, and have been without the likes of Bellerin, Mustafi, Kolasinac and Monreal for extended periods, forcing us to rush Koscielny back from a long term injury and plug gaps with players like Xhaka, Lichtsteiner and Maitland-Niles out of position. We've also lost that intense high press and physicality that was giving us an edge, as evidenced by Torreira, star of our unbeaten run, looking spent and an absolute shadow of former self.

On top of all of this we've had ongoing issues with two of our best attacking players, Ramsey and Ozil, and we reach the January transfer window and find out we can't bring any players in permanently.

Emery was never my first choice to replace Wenger because, to be perfectly honest, I didn't know a great deal about him, but I think now isn't the time to be over the top and reactionary, it is the time to be realistic.

1) Realistically, no better manager was ever going to come to a club who are so tight financially. It was either a manager of Emery's level or some sort of unknown quantity like Arteta.
2) Realistically, we were always going to go through rough times following Wenger's 22 year reign. I 100% expected this regardless of who took over, and after how bad last season was this season has actually been better than I expected.
3) Realistically, we were never going to overtake our rivals by only improving three positions with relatively cheap signings. We're a long way off and a lot of work needs to be done.

I think we're all intelligent, mature and rational people. We knew it was going to be like this. We've undergone big changes behind the scenes that, in theory, will lead to big changes on the pitch.

Good post. My hope seems to have gone though.

 
Re: Emery out
mapleleafgooner (IP Logged)
13 January, 2019 12:57
Emery lost a few games unlike Moyes who lost the dressing room. He gets more time to fix the team inherited from Wenger unlike Moyes who was imo rightly sacked. Emery has won at a high level. Multiple times. Moyes was a deer in the headlight at a super big club. Emery has managed prima donnas before and have the experience to deal with top underperforming talents like Ozil and Aibameyang. Not Moyes. Hence too early to let Emery go..I say he needs 3 seasons to turn things around. Bigger issue imo for Arsenal is Silent Stan not Emery.

 
Re: Emery out
Ares (IP Logged)
13 January, 2019 13:47
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Re: Emery out
MattySadler (IP Logged)
13 January, 2019 15:21
Quote:
goonerred
Good post. My hope seems to have gone though.

Thanks mate. I don't have much hope for this season anymore either. Our only hope is pulling something out of the bag in the Europa League and we don't have the squad to do it.

I wasn't as clued up to our financial situation as I needed to be to be honest. I thought we'd get to January and maybe improve one or two positions in our XI like we did with Leno, Sokratis and Torreira. Ideally another defender and a pacy winger with end product. Unfortunately our money situation will not allow that, permanently at least.

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mapleleafgooner
Emery lost a few games unlike Moyes who lost the dressing room. He gets more time to fix the team inherited from Wenger unlike Moyes who was imo rightly sacked. Emery has won at a high level. Multiple times. Moyes was a deer in the headlight at a super big club. Emery has managed prima donnas before and have the experience to deal with top underperforming talents like Ozil and Aibameyang. Not Moyes. Hence too early to let Emery go..I say he needs 3 seasons to turn things around. Bigger issue imo for Arsenal is Silent Stan not Emery.

Good point. Big difference between Emery and Moyes. Patience isn't rife in football though. Reckon he'll get 3 seasons?

 
Re: Emery out
Gunnersingh1 (IP Logged)
13 January, 2019 15:43
This is Arsenal a big club. Emery is not good enough and has no idea what he's doing.

Emery couod have said get rid of the deadwood in the summer to free up some funds. We've got plenty of them.

Does anyone know what kind of football philosophy Emery is trying to install? I don't!

Tactics: People who say he's trying to play a pressing game; So why is their such a big distance between our attack and midfield? Why are we defending so deep now? If you want to play a pressing game you defend high and don't have huge gaps in between the lines.

on to his team selection: I was saying he's picking the wrong team even when we went on the run. We were getting away with it cos we playing poor sides in the main. The players who should have been starting come on and made the difference. I'm not going to praise Emery for that.

Style of play: Emery picks 3 defensive midfielders at home against average sides. That tells you everthing about how pragmatic he is.

Ozil and Ramsey: How he's treated Ozil is a disgrace. Ozil is the only creative player we've got and has to start. Ozil runs as much as most of the current players. Just because the media tells you he doesn't it doesn't make it true.

Ramsey: When Emery come in we were told he wants to build his squad around him. Emery basically thought Ramsey was a player who could sit deep and dicate the game.

I also don't like the fact that Emery has told the world we can only bring in loan players. I think Emery is trying to cover his back.

We need to make a decision at the end of the season. Next season we can't be bringing in over the hill players like Banega.

Wr've got a s hit owner who doesn't care as long as his pockets get deeper but it still doesn't mean we can't see improvements on the pitch which we're not.

 
Re: Emery out
MattySadler (IP Logged)
13 January, 2019 17:47
Quote:
Gunnersingh1
This is Arsenal a big club. Emery is not good enough and has no idea what he's doing.
Emery couod have said get rid of the deadwood in the summer to free up some funds. We've got plenty of them.

Does anyone know what kind of football philosophy Emery is trying to install? I don't!

Tactics: People who say he's trying to play a pressing game; So why is their such a big distance between our attack and midfield? Why are we defending so deep now? If you want to play a pressing game you defend high and don't have huge gaps in between the lines.

on to his team selection: I was saying he's picking the wrong team even when we went on the run. We were getting away with it cos we playing poor sides in the main. The players who should have been starting come on and made the difference. I'm not going to praise Emery for that.

Style of play: Emery picks 3 defensive midfielders at home against average sides. That tells you everthing about how pragmatic he is.

Ozil and Ramsey: How he's treated Ozil is a disgrace. Ozil is the only creative player we've got and has to start. Ozil runs as much as most of the current players. Just because the media tells you he doesn't it doesn't make it true.

Ramsey: When Emery come in we were told he wants to build his squad around him. Emery basically thought Ramsey was a player who could sit deep and dicate the game.

I also don't like the fact that Emery has told the world we can only bring in loan players. I think Emery is trying to cover his back.

We need to make a decision at the end of the season. Next season we can't be bringing in over the hill players like Banega.

Wr've got a s hit owner who doesn't care as long as his pockets get deeper but it still doesn't mean we can't see improvements on the pitch which we're not.

I'd imagine Emery is having to utilise a number of players he doesn't want, or deems "deadwood". Is it as simple as just saying "get rid of deadwood to free up funds"? We have accepted bids for the likes of Jenkinson and Elneny in recent times and both have refused to leave. You would've thought if either of them had any real ambition they would've gone somewhere and played regularly, but they haven't. Jenkinson wants to play for his boyhood club and Elneny apparently enjoys living in London. They're under contract and if they don't want to go we're snookered.

Surely you can at least see a difference in what we were doing then and what we were doing now? Injuries and exhaustion. Example, losing Holding has been a blow both in terms of our playing out from the back (which was a frequent talking point earlier in the season) and the cover he offered that left side. Who else was performing well during the run? Our squad lacks pacy attackers so Monreal/ Kolasinac and Bellerin were our flying attacking threats. All three have had notable spells out injured. Who came in to replace them? Well, for one, Lichtsteiner. Never mind his horrible decision making, he can barely move, especially compared to Bellerin. Look at Torriera, not only did we break up an effective Xhaka-Torreira pivot, but Torreira himself looks physically jaded and has lost that explosive dynamism. He hasn't looked the same player since the Spurs win. Earlier this season we were topping league stats for distance covered and sprints per 90. I haven't got the stats to hand but I'd bet we aren't topping them now. I recall Spurs and Liverpool going through similar spells during the earlier stages of Pochettino and Klopp's respective reigns as they tried to instill a greater physical intensity. That was always going to catch up with us during our first season.

With regards to Ozil, Shane made the point in another thread that Wenger coddled him for years and where did that get us? We had plenty of games under Wenger where he went missing, and plenty of those weird instances where he has been unavailable for vague reasons. We're in a lose-lose situation with Ozil. You play him and get some quality moments among a lot of nothingness, or you don't play him, lose those moments of quality and rely on inferior players like Mkhitaryan and Iwobi. I'm sick of it as well because I know that £350k p/w could be used on 2 or 3 good attacking players. I really hope it is resolved next summer.

Genuinely I don't understand where you get the "Emery basically thought Ramsey was a player who could sit deep and dicate the game", because when Ramsey has started this season, even in the earlier games, he's either had a Xhaka-Guendouzi or Xhaka-Torreira pivot behind him.

 
Re: Emery out
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
13 January, 2019 17:56
Quote: because when Ramsey has started this season, even in the earlier games, he's either had a Xhaka-Guendouzi or Xhaka-Torreira pivot behind him.

I agree, and at times he was the playere farthest forward, which in my opinion was a flop but that is where he was.



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: Emery out
MattySadler (IP Logged)
13 January, 2019 18:15
Throwback to this thread which I think gave a true indication of all of our thoughts on the tools Emery currently has at his disposal. Genuinely none of us named more than a handful of players who we'd want to keep beyond this season as part of our bigger, longer-term project.

My bigger concern with Emery is that, although I have admitted I don't know a great deal about his work, what I do know is that he doesn't have a track record of managing teams that are strong defensively. Although I personally prefer an exciting, fast paced counter attacking style of football with high pressing (like Liverpool and Spurs now), after the embarrassing drivel Wenger put out on a weekly basis I absolutely want to see a stronger defensive unit. Although, I am aware he is still having to use players like Mustafi, Koscielny, Monreal, Kolasinac, Bellerin, Xhaka, etc, who were part of that bad defence under Wenger, I'm just not confident he has it in him to make us strong defensively.

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Padre Pio
Quote: because when Ramsey has started this season, even in the earlier games, he's either had a Xhaka-Guendouzi or Xhaka-Torreira pivot behind him.
I agree, and at times he was the playere farthest forward, which in my opinion was a flop but that is where he was.

I won't argue with that mate. That's probably a part of why he is sat on the bench now, after from his impending departure, obviously.

I just can't recall Emery trying to use him "sitting deep and dictating". I'm sure Emery saw Ramsey at Euro 2016, where he was one of the best players, and had more of a free reign with a Ledley-Allen pivot behind him.

 
Re: Emery out
SuperRob (IP Logged)
13 January, 2019 19:07
Quote:
MattySadler
Throwback to this thread which I think gave a true indication of all of our thoughts on the tools Emery currently has at his disposal. Genuinely none of us named more than a handful of players who we'd want to keep beyond this season as part of our bigger, longer-term project.
My bigger concern with Emery is that, although I have admitted I don't know a great deal about his work, what I do know is that he doesn't have a track record of managing teams that are strong defensively. Although I personally prefer an exciting, fast paced counter attacking style of football with high pressing (like Liverpool and Spurs now), after the embarrassing drivel Wenger put out on a weekly basis I absolutely want to see a stronger defensive unit. Although, I am aware he is still having to use players like Mustafi, Koscielny, Monreal, Kolasinac, Bellerin, Xhaka, etc, who were part of that bad defence under Wenger, I'm just not confident he has it in him to make us strong defensively.

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Padre Pio
Quote: because when Ramsey has started this season, even in the earlier games, he's either had a Xhaka-Guendouzi or Xhaka-Torreira pivot behind him.
I agree, and at times he was the playere farthest forward, which in my opinion was a flop but that is where he was.

I won't argue with that mate. That's probably a part of why he is sat on the bench now, after from his impending departure, obviously.

I just can't recall Emery trying to use him "sitting deep and dictating". I'm sure Emery saw Ramsey at Euro 2016, where he was one of the best players, and had more of a free reign with a Ledley-Allen pivot behind him.

At the risk of sounding hypocritical, because I wasn't saying this when Wenger was in charge...

At the big clubs, I'm not sure how much impact the coach has on the defence beyond identifying the right players. At a big club you are expecting to control the game, dominate possession and win. Therefore you have to focus on possession and scoring on the training ground.

At a small club you can get away with playing for a draw by defending well. So being a good defensive coach is more important. That's why people like allardyce and moyes can be successful at small clubs but fail at big clubs and also why arguments like "Burnley can defend properly so why can't we" are missing the point. Burnley can defend properly because they aren't expected to go and win the game so they are happy to defend with 11 players and that's what they work on all week. If big clubs do that, you end up with a situation like mourinho, moyes or van gaal at utd... Now solskaer is focusing on attack and leaving them now open at the back and the defenders and keeper just have to play well without making mistakes. We don't have players who are good enough to do that.

Would we be happy for emery to put 11 players behind the ball and defend our box for 90 minutes against West ham? Would our players be happy with that approach, especially if big names attackers like aubameyang?

What has been responsible for Liverpool suddenly having a great defence? Is it klopps coaching or is it the addition of van dijk and Allison?

We weren't worrying about Wenger being a bad defensive coach when we had toure and Campbell with gilberto and Vieira in front of them. I think at the big clubs who are expected to go and win every game, the emphasis for the coaches has to be what to do in possession and they need to have defenders who know how to defend without too much coaching.

How can you coach Mustafi to make better decisions and stop diving into every challenge? Or Xhaka to stop giving it to their players in front of our goal every game?

Basically I think Wengers biggest failing was in recruitment. Now that isn't even emery's job.

 
Re: Emery out
MattySadler (IP Logged)
13 January, 2019 19:50
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SuperRob
At the risk of sounding hypocritical, because I wasn't saying this when Wenger was in charge...
At the big clubs, I'm not sure how much impact the coach has on the defence beyond identifying the right players. At a big club you are expecting to control the game, dominate possession and win. Therefore you have to focus on possession and scoring on the training ground.

At a small club you can get away with playing for a draw by defending well. So being a good defensive coach is more important. That's why people like allardyce and moyes can be successful at small clubs but fail at big clubs and also why arguments like "Burnley can defend properly so why can't we" are missing the point. Burnley can defend properly because they aren't expected to go and win the game so they are happy to defend with 11 players and that's what they work on all week. If big clubs do that, you end up with a situation like mourinho, moyes or van gaal at utd... Now solskaer is focusing on attack and leaving them now open at the back and the defenders and keeper just have to play well without making mistakes. We don't have players who are good enough to do that.

Would we be happy for emery to put 11 players behind the ball and defend our box for 90 minutes against West ham? Would our players be happy with that approach, especially if big names attackers like aubameyang?

What has been responsible for Liverpool suddenly having a great defence? Is it klopps coaching or is it the addition of van dijk and Allison?

We weren't worrying about Wenger being a bad defensive coach when we had toure and Campbell with gilberto and Vieira in front of them. I think at the big clubs who are expected to go and win every game, the emphasis for the coaches has to be what to do in possession and they need to have defenders who know how to defend without too much coaching.

How can you coach Mustafi to make better decisions and stop diving into every challenge? Or Xhaka to stop giving it to their players in front of our goal every game?

Basically I think Wengers biggest failing was in recruitment. Now that isn't even emery's job.

Yeah that's a fair point mate. I was just looking at Emery with Sevilla/ PSG. Maybe I am giving the manager's impact on a defence too much credit.

Liverpool is a great example. They've spent £70-odd million on van Dijk, one of the best defenders in the world, and look infinitely better. Likewise, Karius and Mignolet were both calamities and spending over £50 million on a goalkeeper has seen a massive improvement.

Mustafi and Xhaka have looked better at times this season, but both are part of "the old regime". For all we know, Raul/ Sven/ Emery might not view them as part of our bigger project.

 
Re: Emery out
Gunnersingh1 (IP Logged)
13 January, 2019 21:01
Matty, obviously we weren't going to get rid of all the so called deadwood but apprently Emery knew every player before he joined. Even watching from afar you know the players who are not good enough, but Emery choose to give everyone a chance which i think was a mistake.

As for Ramsey Emery has never played with a number 8 which suggest to me he thought he was getting a player who can dictate. That's is if the reports about building a side around him are true.

Injures shouldn't change your style of play. I don't see what style of play Emery is tryimg to implement.

Obviouely our owner is a idiot but that can't cover up what we're seeing on the pitch.

We're playing some of the worst football i've ever seen.

 
Re: Emery out
Shane (IP Logged)
13 January, 2019 21:07
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SuperRob
Basically I think Wengers biggest failing was in recruitment. Now that isn't even emery's job.

If that's the case, which it is, then a lack of recruitment doesn't excuse him. I cover a lot of Leeds in work and Bielsa has the same title as Emery - head coach.

Some of you will know about how good Leeds are this season but let me put into perspective. He is probably going to win the Championship with the same group of players that finished 13th last season. Twelve outfield players appeared in their last win and only one - Jack Harrison, on loan from Manchester City - was a summer signing. Patrick Bamford, their biggest signing of last summer, has played 29 minutes since August.

In other words, Bielsa has coached the Leeds lads that he inherited and made them much better as a collective unit and if Emery has the same job then I don't see why we're talking about recruitment and a lack of finances. Why aren't we talking about how virtually none of Wenger's players have improved under Emery, considering that's literally his mandate?

I appreciate Arsenal are operating at a much higher level than Leeds United but if we're judging Emery as a head coach then he isn't doing a very good job based on what his primary remit is.

I don't share GS's views that he should be sacked but our defensive record hasn't been worse at this stage of the seasons since 1977 or something stupid so let's be frank.

 
Re: Emery out
Bergmars (IP Logged)
13 January, 2019 21:36
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Basically I think Wengers biggest failing was in recruitment. Now that isn't even emery's job.

If that's the case, which it is, then a lack of recruitment doesn't excuse him. I cover a lot of Leeds in work and Bielsa has the same title as Emery - head coach.

Some of you will know about how good Leeds are this season but let me put into perspective. He is probably going to win the Championship with the same group of players that finished 13th last season. Twelve outfield players appeared in their last win and only one - Jack Harrison, on loan from Manchester City - was a summer signing. Patrick Bamford, their biggest signing of last summer, has played 29 minutes since August.

In other words, Bielsa has coached the Leeds lads that he inherited and made them much better as a collective unit and if Emery has the same job then I don't see why we're talking about recruitment and a lack of finances. Why aren't we talking about how virtually none of Wenger's players have improved under Emery, considering that's literally his mandate?

I appreciate Arsenal are operating at a much higher level than Leeds United but if we're judging Emery as a head coach then he isn't doing a very good job based on what his primary remit is.

I don't share GS's views that he should be sacked but our defensive record hasn't been worse at this stage of the seasons since 1977 or something stupid so let's be frank.
Good post



Under new managment

 
Re: Emery out
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
13 January, 2019 23:11
When we played Aubameyang as the lone striker in first of the season ..

And we play Auba-Laca partnership in 2nd half of season.

Emery panicked and has no guts to play Auba as the lone striker that was so successful, meaning he had more touches of the ball, more chances to run and shoot at goal.

With Laca starting, Auba hardly seen the ball at the flank, forever chasing and tracking back trying to win the ball.

ANybody got stats as to how many touches AUba had recently?



'I like the total intensification, where there are crashes and bangs everywhere, pure adrenaline and no one being able to breathe' Jurgen Klopp.

 
Re: Emery out
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
14 January, 2019 03:36
@GS plenty of videos on youtube with current examples if u don't want to analyze yourself explaining emerys high pressing tactics.

Nouman is a good starting point. Like you say, he does compress the pitch, we have done it multiple times this season and the gap between the lines has been less of a pbm than wenger years,. But the players keep losing shape, less regularly than wenger last few years, but still do.

Most of our players have the footballing intelligence of theo walcott when he was 18

 
Re: Emery out
MattySadler (IP Logged)
14 January, 2019 07:46
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Matty, obviously we weren't going to get rid of all the so called deadwood but apprently Emery knew every player before he joined. Even watching from afar you know the players who are not good enough, but Emery choose to give everyone a chance which i think was a mistake.
As for Ramsey Emery has never played with a number 8 which suggest to me he thought he was getting a player who can dictate. That's is if the reports about building a side around him are true.

Injures shouldn't change your style of play. I don't see what style of play Emery is tryimg to implement.

Obviouely our owner is a idiot but that can't cover up what we're seeing on the pitch.

We're playing some of the worst football i've ever seen.

You literally said "Emery couod have said get rid of the deadwood in the summer to free up some funds. We've got plenty of them." Maybe Emery did say it, but you can only get rid of players who are wanted by other clubs, or who are willing to go. All of our "attractive" players either went during previous windows (Oxlade-Chamberlain, Alexis, Giroud and Walcott) or aren't players we'd necessarily want to get rid of (Ozil). This isn't FIFA or Football Manager. Wouldn't surprise me at all if we were open to bids for Mustafi, Jenkinson, Elneny, etc, but it also wouldn't surprise me if nobody wanted them.

I don't doubt Ramsey wanted to base the team around Ramsey, but when he has used him he's always used him further forward. This "sitting back and dictating" thing is just embellishment.

I completely agree injuries shouldn't change style of play. In a scenario where a manager has actually built his squad, you'd lose a player injured and have a reserve ready to come in and play the same way. That hasn't been the case for us, though. Losing Holding has been massive. We lost Holding and had to put Xhaka in, and later an injured Koscielny. We don't have anyone else in the squad, or even the youth team for that matter, who can do what Monreal/ Kolasinac can do. Instead we had Maitland-Niles/ Lichtsteiner, both of whom are right footed and can't offer that left footed width. We lost Bellerin and had to use Lichtsteiner, who doesn't have his mobility. Breaking up the Xhaka-Torreira pivot to play Xhaka at LB/ CB, with a Guendouzi-Torreira pivot has been a problem as well.

The football isn't great at the moment and hasn't always been great this season, but at times it has. Admittedly not that often, but we definitely played some good stuff at the end of September/ start of October. We destroyed Fulham playing some champagne stuff and then there was the "Ozil show" when we did the same to Leicester after we took off Lichtsteiner.

I just don't think calling for the head of somebody 6 months into replacing somebody who had a 22 year crack at it is fair when you look at all the extenuating factors, personally.

 
Re: Emery out
younghansolo (IP Logged)
14 January, 2019 13:39
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Merlion96
When we played Aubameyang as the lone striker in first of the season ..
And we play Auba-Laca partnership in 2nd half of season.

Emery panicked and has no guts to play Auba as the lone striker that was so successful, meaning he had more touches of the ball, more chances to run and shoot at goal.

With Laca starting, Auba hardly seen the ball at the flank, forever chasing and tracking back trying to win the ball.

ANybody got stats as to how many touches AUba had recently?

Except that Auba missed two glorious chances within about five minutes on Saturday. One, he was clean through and blazed over. Lacazette also had a mazy run in the first half and did similar.

We created the chances but didn't take them.


I've said all along that I don't think it was worth getting rid of Wenger for more of the same. I wanted change and by change I mean revolution. I don't think Emery is ever going to be that.

that said, I think Emery has also shown signs of improvement. I'm interested in seeing who he wants to bring in but do agree with Shane, the signs on player development aren't great.,

 
Re: Emery out
goonerred (IP Logged)
14 January, 2019 13:47
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When we played Aubameyang as the lone striker in first of the season ..
And we play Auba-Laca partnership in 2nd half of season.

Emery panicked and has no guts to play Auba as the lone striker that was so successful, meaning he had more touches of the ball, more chances to run and shoot at goal.

With Laca starting, Auba hardly seen the ball at the flank, forever chasing and tracking back trying to win the ball.

ANybody got stats as to how many touches AUba had recently?

Except that Auba missed two glorious chances within about five minutes on Saturday. One, he was clean through and blazed over. Lacazette also had a mazy run in the first half and did similar.

We created the chances but didn't take them.


I've said all along that I don't think it was worth getting rid of Wenger for more of the same. I wanted change and by change I mean revolution. I don't think Emery is ever going to be that.

that said, I think Emery has also shown signs of improvement. I'm interested in seeing who he wants to bring in but do agree with Shane, the signs on player development aren't great.,

Aubu missed a few chances in another match previously too. He'll cme good, but when, will it be too late?

 
Re: Emery out
SuperRob (IP Logged)
14 January, 2019 15:31
All strikers miss chances. Scoring 1 in 4 chances is a decent return, 1 in 3 is very good.

 
Re: Emery out
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
14 January, 2019 15:45
The point is not how good are our striker conversion rate, but how many clear shooting chances they will have peer game?

Shouldn't we expect Auba or Laca to have at least 5 to 10+ shots at goal per game?



'I like the total intensification, where there are crashes and bangs everywhere, pure adrenaline and no one being able to breathe' Jurgen Klopp.

 
Re: Emery out
SuperRob (IP Logged)
14 January, 2019 16:53
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Merlion96
The point is not how good are our striker conversion rate, but how many clear shooting chances they will have peer game?
Shouldn't we expect Auba or Laca to have at least 5 to 10+ shots at goal per game?

Yeah i was agreeing with you.

 
Re: Emery out
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
14 January, 2019 17:41
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SuperRob
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Merlion96
The point is not how good are our striker conversion rate, but how many clear shooting chances they will have peer game?
Shouldn't we expect Auba or Laca to have at least 5 to 10+ shots at goal per game?

Yeah i was agreeing with you.
Aubameyang is like theo Walcott when playing upfront on his own. He has zero intelligence when it comes to retaining balls in the verbal areas, his strength is good shooting (shooting, not composure cashier he can miss easy chances as well). If you just look at the highlights, Lacazette has made a lot of goals for Aubameyang through his movement and passes. Same goes for ramsey and ozil. Aubameyang himself mostly looses possesion and cannot receive it in central and turn and play others through/play lay offs. Lacazette is an absolute monster at that, esp with Torreira who invariably plays it into Lacazette, bypassing the first one of the opposing defense.

I personally like Aubameyang wide left, ozil wide right and Lacazette central. Lacazette is the false 9/nos 10 that has been the link in almost all of our goals this season. Other would be ramsey

 
Re: Emery out
MattySadler (IP Logged)
15 January, 2019 07:55
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I personally like Aubameyang wide left, ozil wide right and Lacazette central. Lacazette is the false 9/nos 10 that has been the link in almost all of our goals this season. Other would be ramsey

Agreed mate plus Ozil/ Bellerin link up really well and Aubameyang has shown plenty of times this season he's willing to track back and help Kolasinac when he's been on the left.

 
Re: Emery out
Gunnersingh1 (IP Logged)
15 January, 2019 10:32
Auba is not a winger. He can't dribble for a start. Auba is lethal upfront and is not even half the player on the wing.

If don't play 2 upfront then Laca has to be benched. Laca has been poor this season.

 
Re: Emery out
SuperRob (IP Logged)
15 January, 2019 11:07
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Gunnersingh1
Auba is not a winger. He can't dribble for a start. Auba is lethal upfront and is not even half the player on the wing.
If don't play 2 upfront then Laca has to be benched. Laca has been poor this season.

Agree with all of this except the last sentence

 
Re: Emery out
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
15 January, 2019 14:11
The sad case for Unai Emery is not a matter of us losing games.

But the anger directed at him is the way we lost those games with a team in disarray and simply clueless as to what kind of tactics he instilled in his players, in his team.



'I like the total intensification, where there are crashes and bangs everywhere, pure adrenaline and no one being able to breathe' Jurgen Klopp.

 
Re: Emery out
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
15 January, 2019 16:56
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Gunnersingh1
Auba is not a winger. He can't dribble for a start. Auba is lethal upfront and is not even half the player on the wing.
If don't play 2 upfront then Laca has to be benched. Laca has been poor this season.
Mate just look at all the goals we scored this season from the start and see who starts most of our moves or plays a vital role in it. You will find torreira to lacazette story a repeating theme.

And i agree Aubameyang is not a winger, but his gold up play is similarly theo when played centrally. That guest the team when we are under pressure and getting to play to feet.

If you want to watch, search for Aubameyang vs real Madrid and you will realize how kind he is as a lone forward through the middle.

He needs Lacazette along side him. If we want to create stuff like we did in nov, we need Lacazette ozil Torreira in the same team

 
Re: Emery out
Gunnersingh1 (IP Logged)
15 January, 2019 17:33
Laca is better in build up play but when we have Auba upfront that gives our midfield more space.

I don't know why Emery hasn't tried Laca as a 10 or even as a wide forward.

We need to find a way of gettung the best out of both them and clearly Auba on the wing isn't the answer.

 
Re: Emery out
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
15 January, 2019 18:20
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Gunnersingh1
Laca is better in build up play but when we have Auba upfront that gives our midfield more space.
I don't know why Emery hasn't tried Laca as a 10 or even as a wide forward.

We need to find a way of gettung the best out of both them and clearly Auba on the wing isn't the answer.
Lacazette is our 10 (false 9) he comes deep like messi and links up which should in theory create spaces for Aubameyang to run into. Don't get me wrong Aubameyang is good, but he is not very far ahead of theo, didn't really have Imaginative bendy runs like aguero or van persie.

To add to this we don't have midfielders who can find him barring Torreira. We refuse to play ozil. I think xhaka is decent with that ball over the top and had actually played Aubameyang in a few times, only for auba to mis control, have his shot smothered.

This is also something emery hasn't explored as much. He seems more focused on creating over loads on the left with iwobi /Kolasinac. That is our primary weapon at the moment.

I think Xhaka has a tremendous crossing ability as well (look at draw against Wolves, i think xhals was moved to left back), we don't use that at the end of games when we are chasing. Emery doesn't seem to like crossing to the back post line fergie did smiling smiley


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