Quote:tigerline
"Looking Likely that Arteta is their preferred option but If the rumours are true that
the senior players consider him arrogant and don't like him, how can he get them to play for him."
So what if they don't like him.
Arrogant?!?
Have we forgotten wenger's most prominent trait already?
I totally get the concern about appointing a novice to manage our club, but the quoted statement does not mean cr@p to me. I would be much more concerned if we hired a former player whom everyone here really liked. There has been entirely too much coddling and lack of accountability between the manager and the players here.
WE ARE NOW A SOFT CLUB.
I am all for adding some bite on the training ground and in games. Say what you want about Arteta's limitations as a player (and I surely did), but I never doubted his commitment and focus. He could deliver a nasty tackle, too. We missed his toughness and scrappiness when he left.
I distinctly remember the Ramsey/Arteta partnership in midfield working well; however, I also recall Arteta chewing Ramsey's azz when his undisciplined ways left him too far up the pitch to help defend counter-attacks. I can imagine that Ramsey would not be happy to be facing that sort of attention again from Arteta, now the manager.
I can understand the thinking that this club needs a hard kick up its backside and we need to instill more ruthlessness to our team culture ... and I can see Arteta delivering it with authority - just another aspect of this appointment to consider.
Quote:By that logic, I'm guessing when Wenger was a player then someone hired him as coachShaneQuote:tigerline
"Looking Likely that Arteta is their preferred option but If the rumours are true that
the senior players consider him arrogant and don't like him, how can he get them to play for him."
So what if they don't like him.
Arrogant?!?
Have we forgotten wenger's most prominent trait already?
I totally get the concern about appointing a novice to manage our club, but the quoted statement does not mean cr@p to me. I would be much more concerned if we hired a former player whom everyone here really liked. There has been entirely too much coddling and lack of accountability between the manager and the players here.
WE ARE NOW A SOFT CLUB.
I am all for adding some bite on the training ground and in games. Say what you want about Arteta's limitations as a player (and I surely did), but I never doubted his commitment and focus. He could deliver a nasty tackle, too. We missed his toughness and scrappiness when he left.
I distinctly remember the Ramsey/Arteta partnership in midfield working well; however, I also recall Arteta chewing Ramsey's azz when his undisciplined ways left him too far up the pitch to help defend counter-attacks. I can imagine that Ramsey would not be happy to be facing that sort of attention again from Arteta, now the manager.
I can understand the thinking that this club needs a hard kick up its backside and we need to instill more ruthlessness to our team culture ... and I can see Arteta delivering it with authority - just another aspect of this appointment to consider.
He's about as assertive as Ned Flanders mate. I know how stupid that sounds, considering I don't know him personally, but you can actually get quite a good sense of a player's personality by how they conduct themselves on the pitch.
Quote:Shane
Rangers caught quite a lot of stick in Scotland for hiring Steven Gerrard, and rightly so because they're a massive football club all things considered and to hire someone like Gerrard is beyond stupid. How do we think Arsenal look then if we, a much bigger club than Rangers, hire someone with less experience than Gerrard? I can't get my head around it.
Quote:Don't have choice and it will still be the most exciting pre season since we signed sanchez. At least it was for me when we got him.kudzif01
If he is the choice everyone should give him the time. There is no point in jumping on him at the first mistake.If he is not the guy he will be replaced that happens in professional sports, but he might suprise many of us and be great.
Quote:CazOnARola
If you throw enough money at them, they will, but that money is better used on the squad which has a few gaping holes.
We need a brendan rogers type before we get our klopp. Unless we have 200mn war chest available to spend on the players as well as the new manager whose contract we are buying out
Quote:AJ The Gunner
I know we should give Arteta a chance but in this case, I feel Gazidis is hiring him because he wants control. It's pretty obvious from the way things has been unfolding. If Vieira didn't get upset that he was called at the last minute, it would have been him.
I am personally annoyed because Arteta is my Man Crush's number 2. I would have rather had Pep. But Wenger closed the door for Pep when he refused to step aside.
Well I guess I have to make do with his handsome rugged looks because we are either getting it right or we are in for a turbulent ride.
I for one do not see Arteta as the arrogant type. I just hope he can get the players to play for him.
Quote:Boston Gooner
Arsenal are intending to speak to club legend Thierry Henry about the vacant managerial position at the Emirates early next week, according to Sky sources.
Quote:Correct. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Antonio Conte. They might be waiting for Chelsea to fire him after the FA Cup final so that they can hire him. Conte wants the Chelsea severance package n if he gets that Arsenal might have to pay much lesser for him. But if that’s the case the wait game is gonna hurt the club.SuperRob
I think what is clear is that they are interviewing lots of people so all this speculation about arteta (or Henry or Vieira or whoever else) becoming the coach is a waste of time at this point.
The press don't really know what is going on behind the scenes. I wouldn't be surprised if the person appointed is someone who isn't even being mentioned right now.
Quote:You mean the next on interview queue? There is a line for Arsenal interview?Merlion96
Rumor that Carlo Ancelotti is the next in line ....
Quote:Boston Gooner
Arsenal are intending to speak to club legend Thierry Henry about the vacant managerial position at the Emirates early next week, according to Sky sources.
Quote:mapleleafgooner
I think speaking to TH14 is to acknowledge Josh K's preference for Henry to be the coach.
Quote:Myles Palmer
Wenger admits he hasn’t even cleared his desk yet. He’s in denial. Probably thinks he’ll be back soon. He wanted Martial as part of the Sanchez deal in January. But was told Mkhitaryan was coming. So Wenger wasn’t in charge in January and he is being paid £9m to leave and the FA Cup Final is coming up on Saturday. But he still hasn’t cleared his desk?
Quote:younghansolo
If this happens, it will be a disaster. People will be begging for Wenger by Christmas.
Quote:kudzif01Quote:younghansolo
If this happens, it will be a disaster. People will be begging for Wenger by Christmas.
How do you know this and on what evidence have you reached this conclusion?
Quote:Also if you check sites like untold arsenal or positively arsenal folks are already talking about 'bring back Arsene' stuff.. it's real any fu.ck up with this Arteta show they are gonna be blown awayBergmars
I will give him time obviously and wish him well but they aresetting themselves up for a huge fall and massive backlash.
Quote:AJ The Gunner
Arsene Wenger believes Mikel Arteta "has all the qualities" to be Arsenal's next boss.
This alone has me worried.
Quote:Which you seem not to agree but not hesitating to defend Wenger using his other quotes.wenger
He has all the qualities to do the job, yes and I think as well he is one of the favourites,” Wenger, who brought Arteta to the club in 2011 and made him captain in 2014, told beIN Sports.
“He was a leader, and he has a good passion for the game and he knows the club well, he knows what is important at the club and he was captain of the club. Why not?”
Quote:You can read all the cryptic language of Wenger or smirk but actually he could avoid answering such questions by saying he doesn’t have opinion about it.Shane
He also 'backed' Patrick Vieira about two weeks ago mate, so either he's so self-deprecating that he thinks any swinging dick with or without experience can replace him at Arsenal, or he's just being polite and giving scripted answers to questions that he knows will be asked. He also clearly has enough of an understanding of the media to know that publicly denouncing them by writing off their chances is a far bigger story.
As for refusing to criticise Henry or Arteta, well that's a noble stance, but there's nothing to criticise because they aren't football managers, which is kind of the point. I honestly can't say a bad word about them as football managers, nor can I say a bad word about Brad Pitt as an astronaut. He might be brilliant at it, but until he proves as much I'm not sending the c*nt to space in a multi-billion pound bit of kit.
Quote:I believe it.Flava
Darren Arsenal who seems to know stuff says Arteta is done
Quote:SandyB
Shano, But Wenger actually backed Arteta by sayingQuote:Which you seem not to agree but not hesitating to defend Wenger using his other quotes.wenger
He has all the qualities to do the job, yes and I think as well he is one of the favourites,” Wenger, who brought Arteta to the club in 2011 and made him captain in 2014, told beIN Sports.
“He was a leader, and he has a good passion for the game and he knows the club well, he knows what is important at the club and he was captain of the club. Why not?”
** Personally, I’m actually ok with Arteta, with or without listening to Wenger I’ve no reason to write Arteta off without seeing how he can perform. Also, I’ve no reason to doubt Gazidis or Kroenke whoever is making decision on who will be Arsenal’s next manager but if they make mistakes with their choice then next time I might have better reasons to criticize them but you can criticize them or Arteta or Henry without even seeing their 1st performance but can’t take fair criticism about Wenger which is true, mate.
Quote:ShaneQuote:AJ The Gunner
Arsene Wenger believes Mikel Arteta "has all the qualities" to be Arsenal's next boss.
This alone has me worried.
What Wenger actually said: "I don’t want to influence that decision – it’s important they make their choice in an objective way and I don’t want anything I say to be misconstrued. I know how you [the media] do these things – if I say something nice about somebody you will say I am backing him but this is not the case."
This is how manipulative the media is, because those quotes are intentionally omitted from most of the 'Wenger backs Arteta' stories I've come across. They're omitted because they can't use that angle and include those quotes. Truth is sacrificed for fantasy, because fantasy is more interesting. It was also fantasy when you thought Wenger was blaming Arsenal fans for his departure, or last week when you thought Wenger was giving his successor advice on how to win the Premier League. You've given him stick after all three instances, which begs the question: is your perception of Wenger based on reality or is it based on how the media wants you to view him?
I'm not suggesting a widespread conspiracy by journalists to make Wenger look as bad as possible, but news is defined by what the masses find interesting and often the most interesting angle regarding Wenger is the one which prompts the most outrage - "Ugh, can you believe what he has said now?" - so if they have to stitch things together, and basically lie, to best achieve that then they certainly will.
Quote:AJ The Gunner
So Very ARROGANT of you to assume that those of us who do not share your opinion are labeled dispassionate sociopath with selective empathy, not human beings with emotional intelligence.
Quote:Totally agreeSuperRob
I don't mind Arteta too much. Whoever took over from Wenger would have a difficult job with a higher chance of failure than success. The difference now is that Arsenal should be much more decisive and act when things aren't going well. If the new coach flops after the first year or so, it's likely he will get sacked and they'll try something different. And if that happens, it might be much easier to get a top name. Replacing Wenger and slotting into a completely new management strucure with so many unknowns is one thing, replacing Arteta (assuming he fails and we don't improve over the next 18 months) would be a much more attractive option for someone like Allegri.
Without Wenger, Arsenal can now start making decisions like a normal football club, instead of a cult following, which is an exciting change for the fans. Kroenke, Gazidis, Sanellhi and Mistlintat aren't loved by the fans, and they know that, so they now have to deliver if they want to stay in their jobs. The club doesn't have the protection that Wenger offered them anymore.
I find it unlikely that Arsenal will finish lower than 6th regardless of who the coach is. But if we don't start improving next season, there won't be any sentimental reasons to get rid of the coach to stop the decline like there has been for the last 10 years. Same goes for the director of football and the transfer negotiator, if they aren't living up to expectations, they can be changed. Same for the CEO. Splitting up the responsibilities makes it much easier to identify where the problems are when things go wrong and make incremental improvements without having to change the entire management structure every time.
It'll take some time to get it right I'm sure, but in the modern game, the way they are doing it is the only way to succeed.
Quote:Boston Gooner
Strange guy that Shane.
Quote:There has to be an assemblance of improvement for arteta to stay for more than a year by next may and at least start the slide.AJ The Gunner
Shane, Just shut up PLEASE. You are not making sense to me. I couldn't even get past the first paragraph.
Whatever you think makes no difference to me just as mine makes no difference to you. You can keep roaming about threads picking at my post to buttress your suppose superior views. You really have time. You and Wenger can carry on your love affair for all I care.
This thread is about whether Arteta is a good idea or not and not about you.
Back to serious issues. Don't know if we are to believe the news that Henry will become an Assistant to Arteta. If so, then it's just a Gazidis Josh Kroenke combo. Josh wanted Henry and Gazidis wanted Arteta.
For me, the only realistic target is first sorting out defense, then making sure we don't slide down from 6th place, then aim for top 4, then from there we can then aim for the top Price.
Even if Arteta becomes coach and the results are not favorable, he should not be fired or pressured. 3 years should be a trial period. After that then we shall see.
Quote:AJ The Gunner
This thread is about whether Arteta is a good idea or not and not about you..
Quote:CazOnARola
There has to be an assemblance of improvement for arteta to stay for more than a year by next may and at least start the slide.
So we should see improvement in areas where we felt arsene was lacking including defensive organization and of course overall points tally.
Things can of course get worse at first but come may there should be enough visible improvement for him to warrant another year. If the team doesn't seem to progrrss then it needs to be reloaded again.. No more job for life
Quote:AJ The GunnerQuote:CazOnARola
There has to be an assemblance of improvement for arteta to stay for more than a year by next may and at least start the slide.
So we should see improvement in areas where we felt arsene was lacking including defensive organization and of course overall points tally.
Things can of course get worse at first but come may there should be enough visible improvement for him to warrant another year. If the team doesn't seem to progrrss then it needs to be reloaded again.. No more job for life
Job for life is a NO NO but if would be seem unfair to give a new manager be it Arteta or whoever just one year. We have to consider were we are now, worst away record, defensively in shambles and outside to 4.
Quote:If you read my post that's why i said visible improvement by may even if things go bad first.AJ The GunnerQuote:CazOnARola
There has to be an assemblance of improvement for arteta to stay for more than a year by next may and at least start the slide.
So we should see improvement in areas where we felt arsene was lacking including defensive organization and of course overall points tally.
Things can of course get worse at first but come may there should be enough visible improvement for him to warrant another year. If the team doesn't seem to progrrss then it needs to be reloaded again.. No more job for life
Job for life is a NO NO but if would be seem unfair to give a new manager be it Arteta or whoever just one year. We have to consider were we are now, worst away record, defensively in shambles and outside to 4.
Quote:celine dion
Just a couple of points.
Wenger isn't some gentle old man whose been handed his cards after a lifetime of dedicated service at the local soap factory. It may be the persona he projects but by nature of the fact that he has been earning 8 million pounds a year as manager of a world famous football club, it is not the case.
Secondly, in relation to a point Shane makes somewhere along the line here. Our personality exists only in the perception of others. There is no definitive 'self'
Quote:Shano, stop this AKB ass licking mate. Wenger took 11m severance as parting gift while enjoying in 5 star hotels in Paris apparently shocked!! Absolutely fuc.king zero sympathy for him should be thankful for not being called a money grabbing cun.t.ShaneQuote:celine dion
Just a couple of points.
Wenger isn't some gentle old man whose been handed his cards after a lifetime of dedicated service at the local soap factory. It may be the persona he projects but by nature of the fact that he has been earning 8 million pounds a year as manager of a world famous football club, it is not the case.
Secondly, in relation to a point Shane makes somewhere along the line here. Our personality exists only in the perception of others. There is no definitive 'self'
Just so I have this clear, are you suggesting that multi-millionaires should be denied compassion and empathy if they're mourning the loss of something, or is just Wenger mate?
I don't care if someone is mourning the loss of a person, a job, a relationship or a pencil, if they're experiencing shock and denial - two very common aspects of grief - then that loss is obviously having a profound affect on them and actually it's a bit inhumane to play down or completely disqualify their grief based on earnings. You don't need to audit people before deciding how much sympathy you're going to afford them mate.
Quote:CazOnARola
But visible i mean improvements in areas we lack like defensive discipline, counter attacks where only 2/3 players combine to score goals instead of needing half the team in the opposition half
Quote:karsene16
On the wage point, the average wage of a Top manager is 7m, the average wage for a Premier league manage is 4m.
Wenger took 8.5 million a year and wanted to give Liverpool 40mil + £1 for Suarez, this is coming from a man that supposedly loves the club but an Agent was going to give his own money to get Arshavin to the club.
Quote:ShaneQuote:karsene16
On the wage point, the average wage of a Top manager is 7m, the average wage for a Premier league manage is 4m.
Wenger took 8.5 million a year and wanted to give Liverpool 40mil + £1 for Suarez, this is coming from a man that supposedly loves the club but an Agent was going to give his own money to get Arshavin to the club.
I think this belongs in your Bad Wenger Memories thread mate. This one is about Arteta, and whether elderly but wealthy human beings deserve empathy and compassion during times of strife on the basis that they can heal their suffering by buying a Ferrari or a condominium on the Costa Brava.
Quote:celine dion
Yes, and about that. I dont feel any sympathy for Wenger. Not one bit. The fact that the man manipulates emotions and adopts a hang-dog expression every time things dont go his way is one of the reasons he was able to get away with blue murder for as long as he did.