Quote:Shane
then I'm pretty confident that we won't miss them.
Quote:Optimistic GunnerQuote:Shane
then I'm pretty confident that we won't miss them.
Yes we won't miss them because we are still going be quite s.hit and fight for 6th place in the coming seasons with Wenger still in charge
Also, Shane, do you realise, that when we say Wenger is not good enough, we are not comparing him to the whole EPL but only the top 4 clubs and the major clubs in Europe?
Shane, you keep on trying to point out that overall in the big picture Wenger is still a good manager as we are still good team when you compare us to the whole league and Europe and that if Wenger was not good enough then we would be in bottom half of the table or fighting relegation.
Well no s.hit Sherlock.
When we, the gooners who want Wenger gone say that Wenger is not good enough or that he is s.hit, we are not saying that overall he is bad manager, but that he is now a bad manager for Arsenal, club who tells it's fans and the world that we are big club, charges us fans the highest ticket prices in the world, are one of richest clubs in the world, have two multi billionaires as shareholders, a big worldwide fan base, claims to always challenge for major trophies and has the funds to spend big on transfers.
If the club admitted we were now going to be a mediocre club and didn't charge the highest ticket prices then we fans would come to accept it, probably, and will at least say the Wenger is doing a decent job.
But that is not the case, is it?
What really gets us, WOBs, if you want to called it that and also increasing number of fans, is the total lack of ambition, from both the Board and Wenger. Yes Wenger too, because if he really wanted to win a major trophy again, at all costs, then would've spoken out against the Board or Stan and all of us fans would've been totally behind him.
But no, not only is it clear that Wenger is extremely stubborn and only wants to win trophies his way to prove some point, but Wenger also covers for the Board and Stan, hell ii is 100% clear the Wenger is in league with the Board and Stan.
Wenger has a fantastic job at Arsenal. He has total control of the football aspect, is one of the top 5 or top 3 highest paid managers in the world, has absolutely ZERO pressure from the Board and Stan in regards to on-the-pitch success, and as last season showed, Wenger can even decide his own contract situation. Wenger has for more than our supposed Chief Executive, Ivan Gazidis FFS! (Remember that absolute power corrupts absolutely.)
What is also now very noticeable is that we are no longer playing good football. At least before you could say that we still played good football even if we weren't winning anything.
Yes Wenger's defence has been s.hit for 10+ years but for the last few years his midfield has gone from bad to worse.
Our attack has now started to decline too, even with the likes of Alexis and Ozil.
The longer Wenger stays the worse it's gone get. It's inevitable and frankly IMO it is irreversible for Wenger to be successful (i.e. win major trophy, title or CL) again at Arsenal.
Shane, you can keep pointing out how Wenger is not bad manager when compared to clubs below us, but it is now clear for all to see that Wenger is not good enough anymore for a club that needs to win major trophies, especially at Arsenal where he massive power and influcence and is never under any pressure.
Quote:litmus
but Arsenal don't really see the point doing it as the club always wants to do things the right and logical way. paying crazy money for any player isn't in their thinking.
Quote:SandyB
Shano, let’s chat aliens. Do you think aliens play football? Can we send Wenger to mars as manager of Mars Rovers? Also, what way you think you deserve better than DeTimes, explain!!
When you continually talk about a predator(read as dinosaur) when there is absolutely nothing fuc.king unknown about Wenger rather than which is future which is unknown means something isn’t right in the head, mate.
Take a break from Wenger shi.t n take a deep breath look into far future, mate..seriously.
Quote:litmus
I saw some of the comments. Shane didn't actually say Wenger IS a good manager, but that Wenger is SEEN by many football players as a well respected manager, and a potentially "good boss", And that Arsenal is still an attractive club to sign for.
The argument wasn't about if Wenger is a good manager (we don't want him here no more), but rather he is still a manager that potentially players would still want to sign for. His point about Ozil (who at that time was one of the most sought after players in world football) wanting to sign and play for Wenger and Arsenal when we havent won anything in 8 years at that time is proof of the accuracy of his point.
Quote:younghansolo
Except my point that he isn't seen as, as good a manage as Klopp and others these days.
Quote:Shano, touch your heart n tell me, Wenger is still the BEST manager the world has ever seen isn’t he? You are like the Trump supporters they call Trump base no matter whatever he says or does are all the best thing ever happened no matter how bizarre or bad it sounds like!!ShaneQuote:younghansolo
Except my point that he isn't seen as, as good a manage as Klopp and others these days.
That's our perception, but our perception is skewed by the fact that Jurgen Klopp isn't our manager. Believe me I could throw up a list of decisions which illustrate that Klopp is a bit of a retard, but we don't know them because we aren't Liverpool fans and his wrongdoings don't enter into our sphere, only his successes. Here's a few:
1) He needed a proper striker and signed Dominic Solanke, which literally isn't that dissimilar to signing Sanogo, is it?
2) He then played Solanke up front against Everton in the 1-1 draw last month, in a game where he also dropped Coutinho, Firmino and Salah. If Wenger did that against Spurs he'd be lynched, and rightly so.
3) He's had FIVE transfer windows to find a better goalkeeper than Mignolet and somehow hasn't managed to get one
4) He's most likely going to lose Emre Can for free in the summer, which might not seem as bad as losing Ozil for free, but Can turned 24 yesterday and will be worth a bomb in two or three years if he plays at Juventus like he did under Rodgers.
5) Sturridge, Lallana and Can have gone backwards since Rodgers was there, in the same way that some players have gone backwards under Wenger. I could name others but they'd be debateable.
6) On what planet was Oxlade-Chamberlain ever worth £40 million?
7) He was still playing f*cking Moreno regularly up until his injury in early December.
We don't take a blind bit of notice to these things because they don't matter to us. We only notice their results and their best players, but if you dig deeper you'll discover that we probably think of Klopp as being a far better football manager than he actually.
He's already a very decent manager in my view, but you can't tell me we don't overrate him. How this relates to transfer targets is, they're presumably going to want to know as much as possible about the manager they might be playing under, so they'll do their homework, weigh up the pros and cons and therefore avoid the one-sided perception that we have by being blissfully unaware of his very long list of faults.
Quote:SandyB
Just a quick reminder Klopp had 5 transfer windows to sort whatever you think he should have but Wenger had fuc.king 44 windows n you still beat the drum. Didn’t it come to your mind that Klopp actually might not needed a striker coz he already had Fab 4 or whatever they call who scores shi.tload more goals than current Wenger team?
Quote:Now, you are talking, human DNA are the most complex thingy compared to the most complex cpu chips human could make in next 10000 years but still not a single human is flawless even in your ideal football world not even Messi. So if you wanted to find fault you don’t have to go further than your own head but you 1 page long post was originally targeted to younghansolo’s comment “younghansoloShaneQuote:SandyB
Just a quick reminder Klopp had 5 transfer windows to sort whatever you think he should have but Wenger had fuc.king 44 windows n you still beat the drum. Didn’t it come to your mind that Klopp actually might not needed a striker coz he already had Fab 4 or whatever they call who scores shi.tload more goals than current Wenger team?
The intelligent people here would realise that what I wrote isn't so much a comparison between Wenger and Klopp Sandy, but an illustration that Klopp also gets a lot of things completely wrong and how we are blissfully unaware of his mistakes simply because, unlike Wenger's mistakes, they are not under our microscope. How does someone who thinks aliens built the Seven Wonders of the World not understand this?