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Kane
djarse (IP Logged)
26 December, 2017 14:23
Just scored another hat-trick.

Pretty sure that puts him ahead of Messi, Cavan & Ronaldo for goals scored in 2017 - pretty impressive.

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
26 December, 2017 15:47
Against who??

 
Re: Kane
younghansolo (IP Logged)
26 December, 2017 23:13
Best striker in the world currently. There isn't even a debate.

 
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Goofle (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 02:51
He's unbelievable.

 
Re: Kane
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 04:57
He's very good. Not comparable to messi and ronaldo as a player but still he is one of the rare strikers thats good to play in a lot of systems

 
Re: Kane
BootyDaddy (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 11:41
Real Madrid on standby.



Albert Einstein once said: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

 
Re: Kane
younghansolo (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 12:07
Much better STRIKER than Messi or Ronaldo. He's a class above currently.

Let's hope he leaves sours soon.

 
Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 12:12
Do we still think Pochettino is overachieving? He's spent a lot of money, has had the best striker in world football for the past three years and the closest he's come to winning a trophy was a League Cup final defeat three years ago.

 
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Gunnersingh1 (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 13:21
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Much better STRIKER than Messi or Ronaldo. He's a class above currently.
Let's hope he leaves sours soon.

Lol, absolute rubbish!

 
Re: Kane
kudzif01 (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 13:45
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Do we still think Pochettino is overachieving? He's spent a lot of money, has had the best striker in world football for the past three years and the closest he's come to winning a trophy was a League Cup final defeat three years ago.


Their wage budget is still pretty low ,and relative to the others in the so called big 6 spending is meh ,so he is doing good not great.

A better measure though is whether a team is maxing out their potential ,and i generally think the tiny totts are close to theirs so again i think he is good .He is just not as great as the media make him out to be.

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 15:07
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Do we still think Pochettino is overachieving? He's spent a lot of money, has had the best striker in world football for the past three years and the closest he's come to winning a trophy was a League Cup final defeat three years ago.

Too much of media hype shano, nothing close to best striker in world football...as I speculate normally correctly don't put too high hope of him leaving Spuds anytime soon the reason is this is world cup year n after the world cup when really big money transfer market kicks in Kane wouldn't have a place there as neither he's gonna pull some trees in his one off CL venture or in WC. Real Madrid isn't coming for him anytime soon.
Having said that to be fair to Pochettino, he's the guy who developed Kane from almost nothing player so credit goes to him.

 
Re: Kane
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 15:59
He's not the best in the world. He fluffs chances so does cavani etc. Beat striker in the world if you cab call him that is still messi, suarez etc

 
Re: Kane
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 16:02
Yes spurs are playing to their max potential similar to us with the hleb, rosicky, cesc, flamini midfield.
But we those guys didn't have rvp available to them full time. Here you have goals from kane. So ideally they should be city close by city has been on a different planet this season

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 16:44
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He's not the best in the world. He fluffs chances so does cavani etc. Beat striker in the world if you cab call him that is still messi, suarez etc

Best striker in the world will be decided whoever lifts the CL, WC etc in the world cup year. Still pretty long way to go. The man who achieves the most in the world cup year will get the Ballon D'Or. Unfortunately don't see Harry Kane anywhere close to that... prove me wrong!! Scoring tonnes of goals against Sunderland or Southampton doesn't produce the best striker in the world!! Sorry...

 
Re: Kane
MattySadler (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 18:30
Just hoping Real sign him.

 
Re: Kane
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 19:14
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He's not the best in the world. He fluffs chances so does cavani etc. Beat striker in the world if you cab call him that is still messi, suarez etc

Best striker in the world will be decided whoever lifts the CL, WC etc in the world cup year. Still pretty long way to go. The man who achieves the most in the world cup year will get the Ballon D'Or. Unfortunately don't see Harry Kane anywhere close to that... prove me wrong!! Scoring tonnes of goals against Sunderland or Southampton doesn't produce the best striker in the world!! Sorry...
Best strikers don't win you those things. Teams do. If there's anyone that has single handedly for a team close than its messi. There are only handful of such examples. Every other player in this generation has needed their team to do it for them. If milan baros had won the trophy instead of a team like greece, it wouldn't make him the best striker in europe. The best British left winger is probably ryan giggs.
We play too much emphasis on winning things to call individuals great in a team sport.

Harry kane wouldn't be best striker in the world even if he won the next world cup or ucl cause when you talk about those things you look at records, technique, influence, vision, types of goals scored, ability to create something out of nothing etc...

Messi will always be the best player/striker/winger/ACM in the world cause he can do stuff with that football that not many if any can. He's better in those positions than all the other players whose specialty is to play in those positions. If doesn't matter if Argentina didn't win the world cup because of a disjointed team.

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 19:51
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He's not the best in the world. He fluffs chances so does cavani etc. Beat striker in the world if you cab call him that is still messi, suarez etc

Best striker in the world will be decided whoever lifts the CL, WC etc in the world cup year. Still pretty long way to go. The man who achieves the most in the world cup year will get the Ballon D'Or. Unfortunately don't see Harry Kane anywhere close to that... prove me wrong!! Scoring tonnes of goals against Sunderland or Southampton doesn't produce the best striker in the world!! Sorry...
Best strikers don't win you those things. Teams do. If there's anyone that has single handedly for a team close than its messi. There are only handful of such examples. Every other player in this generation has needed their team to do it for them. If milan baros had won the trophy instead of a team like greece, it wouldn't make him the best striker in europe. The best British left winger is probably ryan giggs.
We play too much emphasis on winning things to call individuals great in a team sport.

Harry kane wouldn't be best striker in the world even if he won the next world cup or ucl cause when you talk about those things you look at records, technique, influence, vision, types of goals scored, ability to create something out of nothing etc...

Messi will always be the best player/striker/winger/ACM in the world cause he can do stuff with that football that not many if any can. He's better in those positions than all the other players whose specialty is to play in those positions. If doesn't matter if Argentina didn't win the world cup because of a disjointed team.

Duh.. best striker wins shi.t. Best strikers score vital goals to win shi.t, best strikers doesn't showup with a big zilt in there trophy cabinet. We aren't talking about Messi here dude who literally won truckload of trophies n he didn't win all those shi.t alone but with loads of other best players in the world but still he was the best player for a while. We are talking about a hype which is Harry Kane, what exactly changed that makes him the best striker in the world??

 
Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 20:39
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Having said that to be fair to Pochettino, he's the guy who developed Kane from almost nothing player so credit goes to him.

Harry Kane was scoring senior goals for Tottenham under Andre Villas-Boas and Tim Sherwood, Sandy. In fact, he made his Spurs debut six months before Pochettino even joined Southampton.

Your South American bias is shameless.

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 21:00
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Having said that to be fair to Pochettino, he's the guy who developed Kane from almost nothing player so credit goes to him.

Harry Kane was scoring senior goals for Tottenham under Andre Villas-Boas and Tim Sherwood, Sandy. In fact, he made his Spurs debut six months before Pochettino even joined Southampton.

Your South American bias is shameless.

Bullshi.t if you give credit to Wenger for making Henry who he's today then you need to give credit to Pochettino for Harry Kane, both are fair credits. AVB did fu.ck all that season when he brought in Kane was in shambles it was like trying his last luck before he was busted. Kane n quite a few English players grow under Pochettino tremendously. So give credit where it's due, dude.

 
Re: Kane
SaltnPeppah (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 21:55
sandyB is jealous because his loverboy Neymar isn't scoring half as many goals as Kane in a league which is supposedly a lot easier.

 
Re: Kane
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 21:57
Kane deserves to win the Golden Boot and Balon D'ór if he continues to score an average of a goal per game.

Not forgetting CL Cup is returning in February.

Plus Real and Barca will be tabling obscene 200+ mil to get him next season (Sm6)



"Coming together is a beginning. Keeping together is progress. Working together is a success.”
Henry Ford

 
Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 22:17
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Bullshi.t if you give credit to Wenger for making Henry who he's today then you need to give credit to Pochettino for Harry Kane, both are fair credits. AVB did fu.ck all that season when he brought in Kane was in shambles it was like trying his last luck before he was busted. Kane n quite a few English players grow under Pochettino tremendously. So give credit where it's due, dude.

Wenger was involved in Henry's formative years. He worked with him since he was 15, and then gave him his first ever professional contract, and then gave him his Monaco debut when he was 16. Until Mbappe, Henry was the youngest ever player to play for Monaco Sandy.

Did Pochettino play a role in Kane's formative years? No because he was about to turn twenty-f*cking-one when Pochettino arrived at Tottenham mate. His path was already set.

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
27 December, 2017 23:51
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Bullshi.t if you give credit to Wenger for making Henry who he's today then you need to give credit to Pochettino for Harry Kane, both are fair credits. AVB did fu.ck all that season when he brought in Kane was in shambles it was like trying his last luck before he was busted. Kane n quite a few English players grow under Pochettino tremendously. So give credit where it's due, dude.

Wenger was involved in Henry's formative years. He worked with him since he was 15, and then gave him his first ever professional contract, and then gave him his Monaco debut when he was 16. Until Mbappe, Henry was the youngest ever player to play for Monaco Sandy.

Did Pochettino play a role in Kane's formative years? No because he was about to turn twenty-f*cking-one when Pochettino arrived at Tottenham mate. His path was already set.
Ok then would you not give credit to Wenger for Fabregas?
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Plus Real and Barca will be tabling obscene 200+ mil to get him next season (Sm6)
Something like they are putting 100m bid for Ramsey n 80m for Bellerin for past 3 years, merl?? (Sm100)

 
Re: Kane
nomi_gooner (IP Logged)
28 December, 2017 08:30
Pochettino made a very sh.it spurs team to a very good one. He is a very very good manager. He nurished players like Kane, Rose, Walker, Dier, Son and Ali. None of these players were expensive.

The only "expensive" signing that he has done in my opinion was sissoko who failed.

On the other hand wenger spent ~100 million on Ozil, Sanchez and Xhaka. ~100 million on Welbeck,Lacazette, Mustafi.


Pochettino has been a much much better manager than Wenger.

 
Re: Kane
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
28 December, 2017 16:07
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He's not the best in the world. He fluffs chances so does cavani etc. Beat striker in the world if you cab call him that is still messi, suarez etc

Best striker in the world will be decided whoever lifts the CL, WC etc in the world cup year. Still pretty long way to go. The man who achieves the most in the world cup year will get the Ballon D'Or. Unfortunately don't see Harry Kane anywhere close to that... prove me wrong!! Scoring tonnes of goals against Sunderland or Southampton doesn't produce the best striker in the world!! Sorry...
Best strikers don't win you those things. Teams do. If there's anyone that has single handedly for a team close than its messi. There are only handful of such examples. Every other player in this generation has needed their team to do it for them. If milan baros had won the trophy instead of a team like greece, it wouldn't make him the best striker in europe. The best British left winger is probably ryan giggs.
We play too much emphasis on winning things to call individuals great in a team sport.

Harry kane wouldn't be best striker in the world even if he won the next world cup or ucl cause when you talk about those things you look at records, technique, influence, vision, types of goals scored, ability to create something out of nothing etc...

Messi will always be the best player/striker/winger/ACM in the world cause he can do stuff with that football that not many if any can. He's better in those positions than all the other players whose specialty is to play in those positions. If doesn't matter if Argentina didn't win the world cup because of a disjointed team.

Duh.. best striker wins shi.t. Best strikers score vital goals to win shi.t, best strikers doesn't showup with a big zilt in there trophy cabinet. We aren't talking about Messi here dude who literally won truckload of trophies n he didn't win all those shi.t alone but with loads of other best players in the world but still he was the best player for a while. We are talking about a hype which is Harry Kane, what exactly changed that makes him the best striker in the world??
Sandy why aren't you getting the point of my post mate?
I'm saying harry kane wouldn't be the best striker in the world even if he won the golden boot next summer and win the world cup. Because he simply didn't have the skills to be called the best.

Thomas muller has scored countless important goals in his career for his respective team and won almost everything there is to win. That guy isn't the best anything
Am, Winger, striker. He's just a very good player during those years playing for a very good team.
However phillip lam was probably the best in his position for a few years during in his peak because he was actually one of the best if not the best in his position.

Why is it so hard to grasp? You can easily have the best player in the world in a particular position who does well against all opposition and still his team wins @#$%& all because they are chokers,/average/insert pbm.

Messi hasnt won anything internationally because of his team. If he didn't play for barca and played for an English team, theres a good chance he wouldn't have won ucl as well.

Im saying its skill and individual performance that counts when talking about players in a specific position. Team results cannot be the only consideration.

In short imho, harry kane isn't the best striker in the world cause he simply doesn't perform like one or exhibits the skills that would make me call him the best. It doesny matter if he wins the quadruple with spurs just like muller does with his teams



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Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
28 December, 2017 16:26
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Pochettino has been a much much better manager than Wenger.

Except he hasn't, Nomi.

He has won no trophies. He has reached the final of one competition - the League Cup. He has won ONE of 18 away games against the Premier League's top six. He has spent £50 million more than Wenger since 2015 (in fact, I'll need to check this but I'm betting that Tottenham's squad was more expensive than ours). He masterminded a Champions League win against a Real Madrid side who are fourth in La Liga. His Tottenham side didn't make it out of the group stages last season. Kyle Walker and Danny Rose were fully-grown men and established Tottenham regulars when he arrived, so Pochettino nurtured them, really? Harry Kane was starting and scoring in Premier League games before he arrived at Tottenham and that's because his talent, personality and attitude were formed long before Pochettino. He didn't discover Son Heung-min - the fact he cost £23 million should indicate that he didn't arrive at Spurs as an unknown who Pochettino nurtured for years.

All of these are solid facts, Nomi. What you do with them is entirely up to you.

 
Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
28 December, 2017 16:46
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Sandy why aren't you getting the point of my post mate?

Sandy wouldn't understand the plot of Rambo mate. It's not a reflection on you.

 
Re: Kane
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
28 December, 2017 17:09
We could have had Kane for nothing, the trophy situation might have been better for both parties



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: Kane
nomi_gooner (IP Logged)
28 December, 2017 22:26
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Pochettino has been a much much better manager than Wenger.

Except he hasn't, Nomi.

He has won no trophies. He has reached the final of one competition - the League Cup. He has won ONE of 18 away games against the Premier League's top six. He has spent £50 million more than Wenger since 2015 (in fact, I'll need to check this but I'm betting that Tottenham's squad was more expensive than ours). He masterminded a Champions League win against a Real Madrid side who are fourth in La Liga. His Tottenham side didn't make it out of the group stages last season. Kyle Walker and Danny Rose were fully-grown men and established Tottenham regulars when he arrived, so Pochettino nurtured them, really? Harry Kane was starting and scoring in Premier League games before he arrived at Tottenham and that's because his talent, personality and attitude were formed long before Pochettino. He didn't discover Son Heung-min - the fact he cost £23 million should indicate that he didn't arrive at Spurs as an unknown who Pochettino nurtured for years.

All of these are solid facts, Nomi. What you do with them is entirely up to you.


Fair points mate. Let me respond to them

- Harry Kane had just 3 premier league goals before Pochettino arrived. So you are saying that taking a striker who had 3 premier league goals and 10 PL experiences to one of the best striker of Europe has nothing to do with the manager ? When wenger got Persie /Henry they were more experienced and established than Harry Kane so lets be fair.


- Pochettino took a team that finished at 6th and made them in a regular top 4 challenging team.

- Pochettino inherited a very average team, tottenham at the time looked like this :

25 Lloris
2 Walker
20 Dawson
6 Chiriches
3 Rose
7 Lennon
42 Bentaleb
19 Dembélé
23 Eriksen
10 Adebayor
9 Soldado

Substitutes
15 Capoue
21 Chadli
24 Friedel
35 Fryers
43 Fredericks



Rose was there but lets be honest, everyone thought he was sh.it at the time (including me). He has improved significantly.


He has made his team better in the last 3 years, wenger has made his team worse. That is just the fact.

Arsenal team at the time looked like this :

Arsenal
1 Szczesny
3 Sagna
28 Gibbs
8 Arteta
4 Mertesacker
6 Koscielny
7 Rosicky
16 Ramsey
12 Giroud
11 Özil
19 Cazorla

Substitutes
5 Vermaelen
17 Monreal
21 Fabianski
09 Podolski



Tottenham has definitely improved whereas in that arsenal team i don't see alot of improvement. I don't even see improvement in any single player that we had in 2013/2014 so i am not even sure why wenger would be better than anyone. All of those players that we had in 13/14 season and we still have it are worse now.


If i had a choice right now between wenger and Poch, I know which manager i will pick.

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
28 December, 2017 22:32
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He's not the best in the world. He fluffs chances so does cavani etc. Beat striker in the world if you cab call him that is still messi, suarez etc

Best striker in the world will be decided whoever lifts the CL, WC etc in the world cup year. Still pretty long way to go. The man who achieves the most in the world cup year will get the Ballon D'Or. Unfortunately don't see Harry Kane anywhere close to that... prove me wrong!! Scoring tonnes of goals against Sunderland or Southampton doesn't produce the best striker in the world!! Sorry...
Best strikers don't win you those things. Teams do. If there's anyone that has single handedly for a team close than its messi. There are only handful of such examples. Every other player in this generation has needed their team to do it for them. If milan baros had won the trophy instead of a team like greece, it wouldn't make him the best striker in europe. The best British left winger is probably ryan giggs.
We play too much emphasis on winning things to call individuals great in a team sport.

Harry kane wouldn't be best striker in the world even if he won the next world cup or ucl cause when you talk about those things you look at records, technique, influence, vision, types of goals scored, ability to create something out of nothing etc...

Messi will always be the best player/striker/winger/ACM in the world cause he can do stuff with that football that not many if any can. He's better in those positions than all the other players whose specialty is to play in those positions. If doesn't matter if Argentina didn't win the world cup because of a disjointed team.

Duh.. best striker wins shi.t. Best strikers score vital goals to win shi.t, best strikers doesn't showup with a big zilt in there trophy cabinet. We aren't talking about Messi here dude who literally won truckload of trophies n he didn't win all those shi.t alone but with loads of other best players in the world but still he was the best player for a while. We are talking about a hype which is Harry Kane, what exactly changed that makes him the best striker in the world??
Sandy why aren't you getting the point of my post mate?
I'm saying harry kane wouldn't be the best striker in the world even if he won the golden boot next summer and win the world cup. Because he simply didn't have the skills to be called the best.

Thomas muller has scored countless important goals in his career for his respective team and won almost everything there is to win. That guy isn't the best anything
Am, Winger, striker. He's just a very good player during those years playing for a very good team.
However phillip lam was probably the best in his position for a few years during in his peak because he was actually one of the best if not the best in his position.

Why is it so hard to grasp? You can easily have the best player in the world in a particular position who does well against all opposition and still his team wins @#$%& all because they are chokers,/average/insert pbm.

Messi hasnt won anything internationally because of his team. If he didn't play for barca and played for an English team, theres a good chance he wouldn't have won ucl as well.

Im saying its skill and individual performance that counts when talking about players in a specific position. Team results cannot be the only consideration.

In short imho, harry kane isn't the best striker in the world cause he simply doesn't perform like one or exhibits the skills that would make me call him the best. It doesny matter if he wins the quadruple with spurs just like muller does with his teams

I understand what you are talking about n I’m saying what you are trying to say isn’t correct. Football is a team game so individual success n stardom is only measured by team’s success. There is no chance in fuc.king hell that a striker from 5th place team of English league will receive ballon d’or the Olympic gold medal equivalent of an individual sports.
Peter crouch scoring 50 goals for stoke city will never ever make him the best striker in the world. Also stop putting arbitrary names like Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Suarez or Thomas Muller while talking about Harry Kane, the guy wouldn’t even be able to tie any of their boots. Actually he isn’t even half the Kylian Mbappe, scoring some hat tricks n goals in domestic league for 5th place team doesn’t make the best striker in the world.

Edit: Long story short, Harry Kane is vey good striker, the best in form striker in English league, prolific goal scorer against weak defenders, goalkeepers due to his instinctive quick shooting ability also good in air, he’s elaborate version of Giroud n Laca but absolutely unsuitable to carry the team like Madrid, Barca, PSG or even Man City due to his limitations in self creation skill, pace or power against best defenders of world football. I’m so confident of this that I’ve already forecast to my Spuds mate to burst the bubble that Juve defense will keep him in their pocket in the upcoming CL tie, this guy isn’t even half the last spurs legend Gareth Bale.



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Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
28 December, 2017 23:30
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- Pochettino inherited a very average team, tottenham at the time looked like this :

25 Lloris
2 Walker
20 Dawson
6 Chiriches
3 Rose
7 Lennon
42 Bentaleb
19 Dembélé
23 Eriksen
10 Adebayor
9 Soldado

Substitutes
15 Capoue
21 Chadli
24 Friedel
35 Fryers
43 Fredericks



Rose was there but lets be honest, everyone thought he was sh.it at the time (including me). He has improved significantly.

You forgot to mention Vertonghen, Lamela, Sigurdsson and Paulinho there mate, which puts a slightly different slant on things, considering two of them have been huge players under Pochettino, one now plays regularly for Barcelona and the other commanded a £50 million transfer fee a few months ago.

You'll also find that Rose was offered a five-year contract at Tottenham before kicking a ball under Pochettino, which might suggest he was already an important member of the squad.

And those three goals Harry Kane scored came in three successive games toward the end of the season mate. That's important because he didn't score one in August, one in December and one in May. They were one after the other and he hasn't stopped scoring since. That's why I refuse to believe Pochettino made Kane the player he is now. It's like giving Guardiola credit just because he happened to be there when Messi came to the fore in a big way.

Messi would've been Messi no matter who replaced Frank Rijkaard and Harry Kane would've been Harry Kane if Gary Megson got the Spurs job ahead of Pochettino.

 
Re: Kane
nomi_gooner (IP Logged)
29 December, 2017 01:19
Then cesc fabregas would have been cesc , Henry would have been henry and persie would have been persie under any manager.


Paulinho, Lamela and Siggurdson were not starting.

Paulinho was garbage for spurs.

Lamela has always been a bit part player for them, nothing more.

You are correct about Vertonghen, I forgot about him.

Siggurdson was also quite average tbh.

 
Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
29 December, 2017 02:12
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Paulinho, Lamela and Siggurdson were not starting.

Fredericks and Zeki Fryers weren't making their bench every week but you included them mate. I think what's happened here is that you've photoshopped Tottenham's squad that year to make it look far worse than it was, by omitting important players and including absolute nobodies, to exaggerate Spurs' transformation under Pochettino. How do you forgot about Vertonghen but remember to include Ryan Fredericks pal?

The one fact you can't really get away from is that Tottenham have spent £50 million more than Arsenal since 2015 and yet Tottenham, managed by a wizard and the greatest young manager in world football, are level on points with Arsenal, managed by a incompetent, tactically-inept dinosaur.

Question you need to ask is whether you're massively overrating Pochettino or massively underrating Wenger Nomi, because it's one of the two.

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
29 December, 2017 03:25
Give it up Nomi, Shane is AKB, sun rises behind Wenger’s ass n never sets..he will come up with all sorts to prove every manager is failure n unproven compared to Wenger. Few years ago he was talking same shi.t about Pep Guardiola until made an ass outta himself, then he picked up Klopp now Pochettino. [:wor kid:]

 
Re: Kane
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
29 December, 2017 04:55
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He's not the best in the world. He fluffs chances so does cavani etc. Beat striker in the world if you cab call him that is still messi, suarez etc

Best striker in the world will be decided whoever lifts the CL, WC etc in the world cup year. Still pretty long way to go. The man who achieves the most in the world cup year will get the Ballon D'Or. Unfortunately don't see Harry Kane anywhere close to that... prove me wrong!! Scoring tonnes of goals against Sunderland or Southampton doesn't produce the best striker in the world!! Sorry...
Best strikers don't win you those things. Teams do. If there's anyone that has single handedly for a team close than its messi. There are only handful of such examples. Every other player in this generation has needed their team to do it for them. If milan baros had won the trophy instead of a team like greece, it wouldn't make him the best striker in europe. The best British left winger is probably ryan giggs.
We play too much emphasis on winning things to call individuals great in a team sport.

Harry kane wouldn't be best striker in the world even if he won the next world cup or ucl cause when you talk about those things you look at records, technique, influence, vision, types of goals scored, ability to create something out of nothing etc...

Messi will always be the best player/striker/winger/ACM in the world cause he can do stuff with that football that not many if any can. He's better in those positions than all the other players whose specialty is to play in those positions. If doesn't matter if Argentina didn't win the world cup because of a disjointed team.

Duh.. best striker wins shi.t. Best strikers score vital goals to win shi.t, best strikers doesn't showup with a big zilt in there trophy cabinet. We aren't talking about Messi here dude who literally won truckload of trophies n he didn't win all those shi.t alone but with loads of other best players in the world but still he was the best player for a while. We are talking about a hype which is Harry Kane, what exactly changed that makes him the best striker in the world??
Sandy why aren't you getting the point of my post mate?
I'm saying harry kane wouldn't be the best striker in the world even if he won the golden boot next summer and win the world cup. Because he simply didn't have the skills to be called the best.

Thomas muller has scored countless important goals in his career for his respective team and won almost everything there is to win. That guy isn't the best anything
Am, Winger, striker. He's just a very good player during those years playing for a very good team.
However phillip lam was probably the best in his position for a few years during in his peak because he was actually one of the best if not the best in his position.

Why is it so hard to grasp? You can easily have the best player in the world in a particular position who does well against all opposition and still his team wins @#$%& all because they are chokers,/average/insert pbm.

Messi hasnt won anything internationally because of his team. If he didn't play for barca and played for an English team, theres a good chance he wouldn't have won ucl as well.

Im saying its skill and individual performance that counts when talking about players in a specific position. Team results cannot be the only consideration.

In short imho, harry kane isn't the best striker in the world cause he simply doesn't perform like one or exhibits the skills that would make me call him the best. It doesny matter if he wins the quadruple with spurs just like muller does with his teams

I understand what you are talking about n I’m saying what you are trying to say isn’t correct. Football is a team game so individual success n stardom is only measured by team’s success. There is no chance in fuc.king hell that a striker from 5th place team of English league will receive ballon d’or the Olympic gold medal equivalent of an individual sports.
Peter crouch scoring 50 goals for stoke city will never ever make him the best striker in the world. Also stop putting arbitrary names like Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Suarez or Thomas Muller while talking about Harry Kane, the guy wouldn’t even be able to tie any of their boots. Actually he isn’t even half the Kylian Mbappe, scoring some hat tricks n goals in domestic league for 5th place team doesn’t make the best striker in the world.

Edit: Long story short, Harry Kane is vey good striker, the best in form striker in English league, prolific goal scorer against weak defenders, goalkeepers due to his instinctive quick shooting ability also good in air, he’s elaborate version of Giroud n Laca but absolutely unsuitable to carry the team like Madrid, Barca, PSG or even Man City due to his limitations in self creation skill, pace or power against best defenders of world football. I’m so confident of this that I’ve already forecast to my Spuds mate to burst the bubble that Juve defense will keep him in their pocket in the upcoming CL tie, this guy isn’t even half the last spurs legend Gareth Bale.
You again missed the point mate. I ain't kane it's absolutely no where near the other people i mentioned. That is the point. It's not his team's success that is reason he is not.
It is he himself. He like your very rightly said hasn't shown anything in terms of skil,, etc all those things you quoted. We are not talking about success here. We are talking about individual qualities of a player in a particular position.
Thsts why ci quoated muller. Muller is nowhere near ronaldo, messi, etc as well.

He is just like kane. He won stuff because of his team and he isn't the best anything in any of the individual categories.
Rooney was probably the best English player in his prime and he has won all the trophies that messi has won.
That doesn't make him close to messi because his individual qualities are no where near to be called the best striker/am/insert position.

Great players are great irrespective of whom they play for and how many trophies they have won.

Because of financial disparity you will never see a matt le tissier or alan shearer or steven gerard type situation where a good player stays in a tier 2 club for long.

The players are more than happy to earn benches for teams like real/barca/bayern like bale is doing than actually try to play football and show case their qualities. That's why you see invariably that "the best in world" are invariably playing for these clubs.

Suarez was the best behind messi/ronaldo even when he was at liverpool because he was that good despite not winning anything.

Had he stayed there, he would still be there. Cause like your say, he has the skills

 
Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
29 December, 2017 14:57
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Give it up Nomi, Shane is AKB, sun rises behind Wenger’s ass n never sets..he will come up with all sorts to prove every manager is failure n unproven compared to Wenger. Few years ago he was talking same shi.t about Pep Guardiola until made an ass outta himself, then he picked up Klopp now Pochettino.

I'm always right about Wenger mate, when it comes to comparing him to other managers. I'll tell you the secret to always being right about him: it boils down to giving him respect.

You can't truly value something or someone that you don't respect and that's why Arsenal fans tend to champion every 42-year-old manager who comes along. In fact I'm pretty sure the only prerequiste Arsenal fans want in a successor is youth and a bit of Premier League experience. They think very little of Wenger, because they don't respect him, his achievements or his methods, and that's why they invariably look fairly foolish their preferred candidate gets sacked after running out of ideas and then winds up managing the Oman national team.

So, the next time you see someone tout a 34-year-old manager whose team won the Qatari Cup by playing good football, don't go along for the ride solely because of your dislike for Wenger. Put your personal feelings to one side for a moment, use your brain and try bring something new to the discussion. Try and convince people that Arsenal probably shouldn't replace Arsene Wenger with that 40-year-old with a UEFA B license who won League Two by 30 points with Matlock Town after spending £350 on transfers. Try, hard as it might be, to give Wenger respect. Try to keep a bit of class when others are haemorraging theirs. Try to restore a bit of balance, a bit of objectivity, to an anti-Wenger orgy which has descended into chaos.

I can tell you that you will fail with all of these, because people want to dislike Wenger and that desire overrides common sense and logic, as you've proven time and again, but at least you'll fail in the knowledge that you tried to restore a sense of clarity to a group of people who are blinded by resentment. Rightly so, because everybody wants to see Arsenal prosper and it hurts when they don't, but you can be resentful of someone whilst retaining a sense of decency. You can actually credit and discredit people, when the situation calls for it, without looking stupid or weak or hypocritical.

See, it's not hard to be right about Wenger when people are calling for Michael Laudrup and Roberto Martinez mate. I'm not special or intelligent. As Rudyard Kipling once said, you just have to keep your head when all around are losing theirs.

 
Re: Kane
nomi_gooner (IP Logged)
29 December, 2017 20:04
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Paulinho, Lamela and Siggurdson were not starting.

Fredericks and Zeki Fryers weren't making their bench every week but you included them mate. I think what's happened here is that you've photoshopped Tottenham's squad that year to make it look far worse than it was, by omitting important players and including absolute nobodies, to exaggerate Spurs' transformation under Pochettino. How do you forgot about Vertonghen but remember to include Ryan Fredericks pal?

The one fact you can't really get away from is that Tottenham have spent £50 million more than Arsenal since 2015 and yet Tottenham, managed by a wizard and the greatest young manager in world football, are level on points with Arsenal, managed by a incompetent, tactically-inept dinosaur.

Question you need to ask is whether you're massively overrating Pochettino or massively underrating Wenger Nomi, because it's one of the two.


Hey buddy, I wanted to cross check this statement. You sneaky sneaky akb fella.

Here are the net spend for both clubs in the last three years (And unlike you i will provide a source as well)


Arsenal:

Gross spent : 195 Million
Net spent : 147 Million


Tottenham

Gross spent : 143 Million
Net spent : 12 Million



Arsenal net spending in the last three years is 135 Million more than suprs.
Their net spend is about 1000% more.


I will love to have your response now grinning smiley

Link : [www.telegraph.co.uk]

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
29 December, 2017 21:20
Lol nomi, the sneaky AKB fella started a respect Wenger campaign where everyone needs to kiss Lord Wenger’s ass so he’ll come up with all sorts of fictitious cock n bull stories which mostly people have no time to counter after being fed up of doing zillion time in the past then he’ll declare Lord Wenger as the best manager in the world. (Sm6)

 
Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
29 December, 2017 21:59
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Hey buddy, I wanted to cross check this statement. You sneaky sneaky akb fella.
Here are the net spend for both clubs in the last three years (And unlike you i will provide a source as well)


Arsenal:

Gross spent : 195 Million
Net spent : 147 Million


Tottenham

Gross spent : 143 Million
Net spent : 12 Million



Arsenal net spending in the last three years is 135 Million more than suprs.
Their net spend is about 1000% more.


I will love to have your response now grinning smiley

Link : [www.telegraph.co.uk]

Well if you want to suddenly change the rules, like a spoilt child who isn't used to losing, then we can:

Wenger, for the first 20 years of his Arsenal career, spent an average of £12 million a year on transfers, going by net spend Nomi. Going one further, Wenger's net spend between 1996 and 2013 was £26.6 million, so he spent an average of £1.5 million a year on transfers for the first 17 years of his Arsenal career.

Something tells me you don't like the phrase 'net spend' anymore. How can you when Wenger, in terms of net spend, might be the most overachieving figure in the history of sport?

So do you still want to talk about net spend? I didn't think so. Well done for snookering yourself twice in the same thread my friend (Sm6)

Here's your source - ESPN.

 
Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
29 December, 2017 22:01
Also, here's the sources for when I said, quite clearly, that Pochettino has spent £50 million more than Wenger since 2015. Here's Arsenal's transfer activity and here's Tottenham's.

You're the sneaky one. You're the one who hasn't denied my claim that you purposely omitted Vertonghen, Paulinho, Sigurdsson and Lamela from the list of players Pochettino inherited - and included Ryan Fredericks and Zeki f*cking Fryers for some reason - to make it look like the squad he inherited was far worse than it was.

You clearly had no confidence in your own argument, so you manipulated the information to enhance it, which is sort of like a sportsman not trusting himself to win without the aid of performance-enhancing drugs.

You, Nomi, are the sneaky, duplicitous one here pal.

 
Re: Kane
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
30 December, 2017 05:02
Tottenham wouldn't be where they are without bale. Liverpool without suarez.
We had Henry, rvp, cesc, nasri. Where we have failed equally is the administrative side. We got only 35mn from barca for cesc when he had 3 more years to go in the same era where ppl like torres were going for 50.

Same thing is happening with sanchez/ozil. The only transfer we did well with are ox chambermaid and adebayor and just maybe alex song

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
30 December, 2017 13:25
Shano don’t distort the history between 2005-2012 Lord Wenger infamously used to offer two boxes of candy n a choco bar as transfer fee where does the 1.5m come from?

The fact is when you compare a dinosaur with modern day manager who has to build the team’s with 75m defender signings you see these numbers... but nevermind!

 
Re: Kane
Ares (IP Logged)
30 December, 2017 22:49
From the day Pochetino took the job to manage Tottenham to Saturday 30 December 2017

What are the numbers for

Arsenal Net Spend

Tottenham Net Spend

 
Re: Kane
Boston Gooner (IP Logged)
30 December, 2017 23:28
Who gives a monkeys about net spend anyhow ?

The truth is Wenger is a spent force and needs to go.
And that means having nothing to do with the club at all.

Also it would be even better if Kroenke went with him.



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Re: Kane
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
30 December, 2017 23:40
A good comparison on motivation technique of Arsene Wenger with Poch is:

Walcott - £140,000 pw.
Kane - £110,000 pw.



"Coming together is a beginning. Keeping together is progress. Working together is a success.”
Henry Ford

 
Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
31 December, 2017 15:13
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The truth is Wenger is a spent force and needs to go.

Nobody is saying he needs to stay mate.

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
31 December, 2017 18:32
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The truth is Wenger is a spent force and needs to go.

Nobody is saying he needs to stay mate.
Stop patronizing a dinosaur with some dodgy numbers to prove a point. You don’t need to look into how much he spent to know he has no place in modern day football other than retirement home. (Sm6)

 
Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
01 January, 2018 16:51
Nothing dodgy about the numbers. For someone who works in the financial sector I thought you'd know how to calculate an average.

 
Re: Kane
PKGooner (IP Logged)
01 January, 2018 18:02
Pains me to say it but Spurs have a brilliant striker here.

I've met Kane. He's a pretty nice guy.

 
Re: Kane
celine dion (IP Logged)
01 January, 2018 19:42
Shane, you are massively ignoring WAGES. which play a big part in how a manager builds a squad. the tottenham manager may have spent more than Wenger in terms of transfers but in terms of what he pays them he's at a massive disadvantage compared to Wenger.

On another point, I cant see Kane going abroad, because to put it politely, he does not appear to be a very sophisticated chap. Does anyone remember when Ian Rush went to Juventus? Fairly early on the press were full of reports that he couldnt get on with Italian food and had to have a crate of baked beans flown over every week for him to eat. I thought that was probably a joke but it turned out to be completely true and he came back after a year. Kane is by all accounts a home loving simple lad married to his childhood sweetheart from the same school hence there is every possibility that he will stay within these isles. Maybe not at Tottenham, I would think a transfer to United would be a very real possibility within a couple of years.

 
Re: Kane
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
01 January, 2018 20:52
The only English striker (in the modern era from 1970s onwards) that was successful playing for European Club is Mighty Mouse.

All other English strikers are so-so:
Ian Rush
Trevor Francis
Gary Lineker
Mark Hateley
Micheal Owen

Now, if Harry Kane started taking Spanish lessons now ...

 
Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
01 January, 2018 22:48
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Shane, you are massively ignoring WAGES. which play a big part in how a manager builds a squad. the tottenham manager may have spent more than Wenger in terms of transfers but in terms of what he pays them he's at a massive disadvantage compared to Wenger.

Is it not fair to say that Wenger himself has also been at a massive disadvantage compared to other managers over the past 15 years? If certain allowances like that aren't made for Wenger then it's unfair to make them for others when favourably comparing them to Wenger I think.

Obviously the wage bill is a lot higher these days but people forget that our wage structure was as rigid and as frugal as Tottenham's until about four years ago, and there was a time when City's and Chelsea's wage bill was £50 and £60 million more than ours, but if that's irrelevant when we judge Wenger since last winning the league then it's irrelevant for Poch.

Plus, there's no evidence Pochettino would be a far better manager if he was in a position to offer big wages. He made Dani Osvaldo the highest paid player in the history of Southampton.

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 03:41
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Nothing dodgy about the numbers. For someone who works in the financial sector I thought you'd know how to calculate an average.
Dude no mathematics work when you compare a dinosaur he’s the manager at the club when Harry Kane was 3 yrs old with the manager who made him at the club only the same amount of time 3 years. So stop throwing those shitty numbers to justify the legacy of a dinosaur who in historical terms have seen from Egyptian to Inca every civilization on the earth n have seen n work with players now their grandchildren are playing football with so little achievements to show off distributed over such galactic time of his stay. Wenger is embarrassment to all these modern day managers when you see him trying 2nd rated imitation to some of these managers like Klopp or Pochettino.
If you are talking about financial terms Wenger burnt around 85m on only two players Ozil n Sanchez neither Pochettino nor Klopp has ever done that in their life. If you add up the amount Wenger spent in transfer, wages n lost transfer fees adding up the amount he made from the club probably could have been spent on a manned mission to mars.

 
Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 05:07
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If you are talking about financial terms Wenger burnt around 85m on only two players Ozil n Sanchez neither Pochettino nor Klopp has ever done that in their life.

This is just one of the many things you've said in this thread without using your brain, because it's not true - Klopp has lost world-class players for free, and he's probably going to lose another big player for free in the summer.

I'm not telling you who the players are. Wipe your own arrse for once after sh*tting all over the place.

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 12:35
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If you are talking about financial terms Wenger burnt around 85m on only two players Ozil n Sanchez neither Pochettino nor Klopp has ever done that in their life.

This is just one of the many things you've said in this thread without using your brain, because it's not true - Klopp has lost world-class players for free, and he's probably going to lose another big player for free in the summer.

I'm not telling you who the players are. Wipe your own arrse for once after sh*tting all over the place.
No I didn’t, not letting go World class players who he has created almost for free is one thing n buying a player for 50m then failed to keep him then letting him go for free is another thing. As I said the guy is embarrassment to modern day football n a fraud.

 
Re: Kane
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 14:29
Both are equally so stupid cause you are letting a player worth millions go for free with no money to replace.

Chelsea did the right thing with matic. Bought a specimen in bakayoko. If a player is refusing to sign the contract, you should sell with 2 years to go and not let him enter into the final year. If the player is not the most critical, he should be benched instead of playing like ox did for us and pressured into signing new terms rather than calling the shots. Most good managers bench contact rebels or rebels of any nature. If just creates disharmony.

We are so disjointed that even players playing half heartedly on good to us cause the team is playing so @#$%& there is no team play that is actually suffering by playing players like sanchez. Yes he turns the ball over but the others aren't doing enough with the ball anyway

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 14:54
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Both are equally so stupid cause you are letting a player worth millions go for free with no money to replace.
Chelsea did the right thing with matic. Bought a specimen in bakayoko. If a player is refusing to sign the contract, you should sell with 2 years to go and not let him enter into the final year. If the player is not the most critical, he should be benched instead of playing like ox did for us and pressured into signing new terms rather than calling the shots. Most good managers bench contact rebels or rebels of any nature. If just creates disharmony.

We are so disjointed that even players playing half heartedly on good to us cause the team is playing so @#$%& there is no team play that is actually suffering by playing players like sanchez. Yes he turns the ball over but the others aren't doing enough with the ball anyway
Caz, shano is talking about players like Mario Gotze and Lewandowski the world class players one is Dortmund academy product n another Dortmund bought paying only Euro 4.5m. Both were tapped up by Bayern n Dortmund refused them to go as they weren't interested in any other club. Shano pretending to ignore that unlike Wenger, Klopp had limited authority to make such decision. Dortmund is a proper football club not run like Sopranos which is the way Arsene Wenger runs Arsenal without fuc.king any accountability. Shano knows all these but the fatherly love towards the old senile fool has made him blind. (Sm6)

 
Re: Kane
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 15:02
Any place that has a director of football, it would be wrong to just blame the manager.
Infact its similar to the nasri situation where wenger didn't want to sell but was probably forced by the club hierarchy. That's probably the only time he didn't want to sell. Nazri esp.

In any case klopp has outplayed wenger a few times. We drew narrowly against them when they had us under the gun during his dortmund days. Apart from when songinho won the match for us, they have had the best of us and battered us most times.

Not that klopp is the best, but thsts how far we have dropped in terms players maintaining the team shape for 90 min

 
Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 17:01
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Any place that has a director of football, it would be wrong to just blame the manager.

Klopp had far more control on transfers than your average head coach. That's why at least three of his early signings at Dortmund were players he managed at Mainz. He signed them. Klopp also signed Henrikh Mkhitaryan, after cancelling his holiday to go and meet him and convince him to join, so anyone powerful enough to complete record-breaking transfer deals probably doesn't have a "limited authority to make big decisions" at Dortmund.

This is why you have to treat everything Sandy says in matters regarding Wenger as suspicious. He confidently claimed last week that Arsenal finished sixth in the Premier League last season. He also confidently claimed years ago that Arsenal would run away with the Premier League title if Klopp replaced Wenger, which I think is a prime example of how he overrates Wenger's rivals to make him look bad.

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 17:47
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Any place that has a director of football, it would be wrong to just blame the manager.

Klopp had far more control on transfers than your average head coach. That's why at least three of his early signings at Dortmund were players he managed at Mainz. He signed them. Klopp also signed Henrikh Mkhitaryan, after cancelling his holiday to go and meet him and convince him to join, so anyone powerful enough to complete record-breaking transfer deals probably doesn't have a "limited authority to make big decisions" at Dortmund.

This is why you have to treat everything Sandy says in matters regarding Wenger as suspicious. He confidently claimed last week that Arsenal finished sixth in the Premier League last season. He also confidently claimed years ago that Arsenal would run away with the Premier League title if Klopp replaced Wenger, which I think is a prime example of how he overrates Wenger's rivals to make him look bad.

Dude, Wenger is a money grabbing dinosaur, you don't need to overrate anyone to make Wenger look bad.. the guy is pants for a decade n still followed like a cult pint. (Sm6)

 
Re: Kane
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 18:20
I don't agree with that has been pants for 10 years considering he was the earliest adopters of first the 5 in midfield and then barca s 4-3-3 before other teams followed suit.
He had a good team whicb we were in 4 competitions when he decided to have a crack at all 4 which cost the team, he even admitted that in an interview later that after beating barca he did give the confidence to the players that they could go win all 4 competitions. Obv that was a mistake.

With a little more money either the hleb team or the cesc team would have won the league. He deteriorated drastically in player management around the time rvp left.

Once arteta-ramsey partnsrship broke, we stopped winning any banks in midfield, then slowly we started struggling to bypass the opposition s first line of defense.

Fast foward today and we cannot even bring the ball out from the back at all.

It has been slowly regressing to the point of no return

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 19:45
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don't agree with that has been pants for 10 years considering he was the earliest adopters of first the 5 in midfield and then barca s 4-3-3 before other teams followed suit.

Dude, you must revisit this season... Arsenal 2007-08
Since then Arsene Wenger became pants. He burnt the title challenge not due to Eduardo's injury as Adebayor was on fire but due to Center back cover. He played the 2nd half of the season with just two CBs when everybody knew a humble January addition could have seen him on top of the league till end of the season instead he sold Diarra who soon became a DM sensation ending up playing for Real Madrid. If he were the manager of any proper football club that simple miscalculation should have shown him the door but well still he's at the club n Shano defends him with some transfer fees!!!! That's actually fu.cking decade. Today the guy has no pants. (Sm6)

 
Re: Kane
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 19:53
We know the haggling for 2.5 mn dollars for schwarzer whereas now he's spending 50mn on lacazette and 42 on ozil along others. Sunroof disnt add if he now spends 15 mn on cech.

We have no idea what were the target s set except that in his interviews since 2016 he has mentioned that we had to make transfer profits every year. So id give him the benefit of the doubt there since the reyes and wiltord transfers before and the lacazette transfer now doesn't quite add up to our haggling for schwarzer and the general penny pinching in those days.

I m judging him purely based on the coaching and in the last 3 years when he's had the money. And that's what's im calling him out for bars on i can see on the pitch.
What is happening behind the scenes is pure speculation since i have no know how. Im just tired of the team play since 2015 and the general decline from there

 
Re: Kane
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 19:57
Btw, Diarra couldn't string a couple of passes together. I've seen him play for us. He wasn't great. He had probably the best agent in the world i dunno. His case was similar to barca buying vwrmaelen from us.

Thsts was another diarra (mahamadou) that played for madrid as well along side emerson. That was not lasana diarra who i consider the crappy diara at madrid

 
Re: Kane
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 20:03
Of course, I'm comparing him to DMs in that era.

He will walk into most teams today as would most players from that era because of their understanding of the game and technical abilities.

Thsts how crappy the standard of football is nowadays with hardly any decent center backs/dms in any league.

Ppl like n golo kante are made to look world class



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Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 21:45
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Instead he sold Diarra who soon became a DM sensation ending up playing for Real Madrid.

Who sold him to Arsenal Sandy? It was your boyfriend Mourinho, wasn't it. This is the part you wriggle free and pretend that Mourinho selling him is different to Wenger selling him (Sm6)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--Un9eq940A8/U-snqOTvqJI/AAAAAAAAEr4/sAM2nkN44YE/s320/harry-houdini-straight-jacket-o.gif

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 22:19
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Instead he sold Diarra who soon became a DM sensation ending up playing for Real Madrid.

Who sold him to Arsenal Sandy? It was your boyfriend Mourinho, wasn't it. This is the part you wriggle free and pretend that Mourinho selling him is different to Wenger selling him (Sm6)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--Un9eq940A8/U-snqOTvqJI/AAAAAAAAEr4/sAM2nkN44YE/s320/harry-houdini-straight-jacket-o.gif

Dude again, you make an ass outta yourself.. there was a player called Michael Essien at that time playing for Chelsea n the people who didn't know about Diarra the guy went to Portsmouth n had a dazzling season ended up winning the FA cup for Portsmouth that year.
Next season Madrid bought him n started the MF revolution what you see today. I used to follow La Liga very often that time n used to see him playing Makelele role very well at least for couple of seasons. The point is no matter how you want to defend Wenger he had the money to buy Diarra in August n sell him on January proves that he had money to buy a central defender at that time which he didn't n eventually blown a simple title race to Ferguson. So as Mourinho says Arsene Wenger is specialist of failure it all became clear since then.

 
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Shane (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 22:48
You're a specialist in wriggling.

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SandyB (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 23:47
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You're a specialist in wriggling.
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But I don’t manage your club, Lord Wenger does!

 
Re: Kane
CazOnARola (IP Logged)
03 January, 2018 06:54
Sandy the reason he was sold by mourinho is because there were better DMs available those days. I see him play for us and he was missing simple passes just like Diaby.

If you watch him now he will look world class cause there are not specialist DMs left anymore. They just cover and take up defensive positions. There are hardly any DMs that can tackle and win tbf ball of attackers like hazard, coutinho etc when the chips are down and there s 3 on 3 situation. Most of the time they end up taking a yellow for the team with everyone applauding the professional fouls.

Waiting at the right moment and tackling used to be a skill which is lost today. Diarra was by no means s world beater. Niether was michael owen when madrid bought him.
Whether he had the money to buy the defender or not is anybody s guess.
And adebayor was over worked and didn't play the final part of the that season very well. Rvp was a perma crock Winger back then

 
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Goofle (IP Logged)
03 January, 2018 12:44
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CazOnARola
Of course, I'm comparing him to DMs in that era.
He will walk into most teams today as would most players from that era because of their understanding of the game and technical abilities.

Thsts how crappy the standard of football is nowadays with hardly any decent center backs/dms in any league.

Ppl like n golo kante are made to look world class

The level of football is a lot higher in the modern game you lunatic.

Kante is so far ahead of sh*te like Diarra and Flamini.

 
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SandyB (IP Logged)
03 January, 2018 12:49
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CazOnARola
Sandy the reason he was sold by mourinho is because there were better DMs available those days. I see him play for us and he was missing simple passes just like Diaby.
If you watch him now he will look world class cause there are not specialist DMs left anymore. They just cover and take up defensive positions. There are hardly any DMs that can tackle and win tbf ball of attackers like hazard, coutinho etc when the chips are down and there s 3 on 3 situation. Most of the time they end up taking a yellow for the team with everyone applauding the professional fouls.

Waiting at the right moment and tackling used to be a skill which is lost today. Diarra was by no means s world beater. Niether was michael owen when madrid bought him.
Whether he had the money to buy the defender or not is anybody s guess.
And adebayor was over worked and didn't play the final part of the that season very well. Rvp was a perma crock Winger back then
Defend however you guys want to defend Wenger, money was there or not, Adebayor wasn’t scoring enough, Diarra wasn’t world class etc. Threads are here in AT when we talk about all these stuff, you can dig n read. The failure is well documented n Arsenal finished 3 rd in that season eventually 4 points behind winner ManU giving away 5 points lead at the top of the table. That’s the start of pants down era of Arsene Wenger now the pant doesn’t exist n we all predicted those days this is coming.

 
Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
03 January, 2018 14:04
Nobody is denying Arsenal should've won the Premier League in 2008 Sandy. Wenger also f*cked up in 2011, 2014 and 2016 by leaving the squad short. He will continue to do this, because for some reason he refuses to learn from his mistakes. This makes him an idiot. Does it make him a sh*t football manager? No, it just stops him from being a great one again and if you take anything from this debacle of a thread then make sure it's that.

 
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SandyB (IP Logged)
03 January, 2018 14:47
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Nobody is denying Arsenal should've won the Premier League in 2008 Sandy. Wenger also f*cked up in 2011, 2014 and 2016 by leaving the squad short. He will continue to do this, because for some reason he refuses to learn from his mistakes. This makes him an idiot. Does it make him a sh*t football manager? No, it just stops him from being a great one again and if you take anything from this debacle of a thread then make sure it's that.

oh hell yeah it makes him one of the biggest shi.t manager the world has ever seen (Sm6). In your words a manager who has blown league title 4 times not just one is out of debate the king of the shi.t. A manager who isn't employable anywhere on planet's top teams aspiring to win something meaningful is by definition sh.it. Harsh, yes, disrespectful, yes but truth.

 
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Shane (IP Logged)
03 January, 2018 16:04
He rejected Paris Saint-Germain in 2014 and 2015 Sandy, which also debunks your money grabbing theory I think.

It's genuinely astonishing how often you've been wrong on this thread. It's like that bit in The Simpsons when Sideshow Bob can't stop stepping on rakes. You can't stop being totally, totally wrong.

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For the record, I'm not arguing Wenger is "king of the sh*t". That's the most idiotic thing you've said to date, because I've literally just called him a prized f*ck up.

 
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SA-Gunner (IP Logged)
03 January, 2018 16:25
I don't know if the penny pinching is an excuse for his very poor management over the years. During the 2010/2011 season we had arguably the best squad in the Premier League. City wasn't still a force, Chelsea collapsed before Winter, and the rivals were an aging Manchester United.

Somehow Wenger managed to screw by signing Chamakh (there were many other available strikers) and by bringing Squillaci. During the first months of the season things looked bright despite having a very bad player as Djourou in the center of defense. Once the latter stopped having the form of his life, everything collapsed. Then during the winter when we needed another defende and/or midfielder, we didn't bring anyone.

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
03 January, 2018 16:47
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He rejected Paris Saint-Germain in 2014 and 2015 Sandy, which also debunks your money grabbing theory I think.

That's a story he tells but no one believes EXCEPT AKBs..(Sm22)
Even if PSG ever recruited him wouldn't have last more than 3 months with their lineup of players, they would go on strike to oust him.. he knows that that's why he never goes anywhere!! (Sm6)

 
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CazOnARola (IP Logged)
03 January, 2018 17:08
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Goofle
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CazOnARola
Of course, I'm comparing him to DMs in that era.
He will walk into most teams today as would most players from that era because of their understanding of the game and technical abilities.

Thsts how crappy the standard of football is nowadays with hardly any decent center backs/dms in any league.

Ppl like n golo kante are made to look world class

The level of football is a lot higher in the modern game you lunatic.

Kante is so far ahead of sh*te like Diarra and Flamini.
I disagree. The game is different. More fast paced and demanding physically. Teams are much better filled to hold their shape. No ridiculous highline so now difficult to get at the back four.

But what I'm saying because of the because of team ethics, individual qualities have suffered.

Hardly any strikers that actually fake before shooting. First touch into space missing. Defenders rely on double teaming or fouls to tackle great dribblers.

You hardly see anyone robbing the likes of hazard without fouling. Ashley Cole used to keep ppl like ronaldo in his pocket when he was young and tried fancy stuff.

Below is an example of keeping your eye on the ball and not the man against the best player ever according to some
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There were plenty of DMs who could do this back then without just fouling their man all the time rotationally.

This applies to most other team sports, more method and planning and training, less emphasis on individual expression. When u dont express skills, u lose them



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Re: Kane
Shane (IP Logged)
03 January, 2018 17:33
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SandyB
That's a story he tells but no one believes EXCEPT AKBs..(Sm22) Even if PSG ever recruited him wouldn't have last more than 3 months with their lineup of players, they would go on strike to oust him.. he knows that that's why he never goes anywhere!! (Sm6)

I'm sure he could tempt the Brazilian players to come back off strike by bribing them, a Brazilian's kryptonite. I could bribe you into changing your username to Sideshow Sandy for a tenner. PM me your Paypal details.

 
Re: Kane
SandyB (IP Logged)
03 January, 2018 18:32
This is not you your Daddy love speaking, shano. Wenger might be the richest football manager in the world but he doesn’t have the money to bribe even Dani Alves’s driver!! (Sm123)


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