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The combined age of our three centre backs was 96 Ratings
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11 December, 2017 14:00
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Re: The combined age of our three centre backs was 96 Ratings
Boston Gooner (IP Logged)
11 December, 2017 23:04
Matty we have been in a mess for awhile now.
And its just getting worse.
So many of our player like you say are at the end of their careers.
We often moan on here in the past that we need 2 or 3 new players signing in the summer.
But the reality is if we are a so called top club and want to compete we need a hatful of players and bloody good ones at that.



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Re: The combined age of our three centre backs was 96 Ratings
mapleleafgooner (IP Logged)
11 December, 2017 23:27
Remember a few seasons ago, Wenger defended his decision not to bring in too many new players as he believed keeping the same team together for 2 to 3 seasons will improve team understanding and create a strong bond amongst the players thereby increasing our title hopes. Well I guess that didn't work out very well and instead, we see players regressed due to them knowing that their places are safe as long as they stay healthy.

The Wenger doctrine to team building has failed.

Time for an overhaul. Either change the system (ie reward in form players with starting spots) or change the manager.

 
Re: The combined age of our three centre backs was 96 Ratings
Shane (IP Logged)
11 December, 2017 23:48
Mertesacker hasn't looked up for it all season. Even his body language earlier in the campaign was one of a man who didn't really give a f*ck which, for Mertesacker, is pretty surprising, given his character.

I agree he shouldn't have been kept on, but he's still perhaps my favourite Arsenal defender since Toure.

I think his debut was against Swansea and I remember thinking, 'We've badly needed someone like this' and all he did was hoof the ball up the other end of the pitch to make me think that. When you've got footballing centre-backs like Koscielny or Vermaelen who try and play their way out of imminent danger and nutmeg strikers, or full-blown Forrest Gumps like Silvestre or Squillaci, it was so refreshing to see someone just kick it as hard as they could to get us out of trouble.

At £8 million, he was a great signing for me.

 
Re: The combined age of our three centre backs was 96 Ratings
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
12 December, 2017 08:05
He is/was the closest we had to a captain since Arteta



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: The combined age of our three centre backs was 96 Ratings
MattySadler (IP Logged)
12 December, 2017 09:44
Quote:
Shane
Mertesacker hasn't looked up for it all season. Even his body language earlier in the campaign was one of a man who didn't really give a f*ck which, for Mertesacker, is pretty surprising, given his character.
I agree he shouldn't have been kept on, but he's still perhaps my favourite Arsenal defender since Toure.

I think his debut was against Swansea and I remember thinking, 'We've badly needed someone like this' and all he did was hoof the ball up the other end of the pitch to make me think that. When you've got footballing centre-backs like Koscielny or Vermaelen who try and play their way out of imminent danger and nutmeg strikers, or full-blown Forrest Gumps like Silvestre or Squillaci, it was so refreshing to see someone just kick it as hard as they could to get us out of trouble.

At £8 million, he was a great signing for me.

I won't try and take anything away from what Mertesacker has done for us. I'll basically echo what I said about Arteta. After we lost Fabregas and got d*cked 8-2 by United we were rock bottom and nobody thought we could finish in the top four. We signed five players, and of those five, Mertesacker, Arteta, and Benayoun (when he played) were all brilliant. There was a time around 2012 - 2014 where are Szczesny-Sagna-Mertesacker-Koscielny-Gibbs defence was near-impregnable, before we started getting hammered by big sides regularly.

Arteta started showing signs of decline in 2012-13, and by 2013-14 was clearly finished as a top level footballer. It took us until the summer of 2016 to finally move Arteta on and bring in his replacement. Mertesacker has been a good signing for us, no doubt, but personally I wanted him replaced after his really poor 2015-16 season (Koscielny and Gabriel were also poor that season). Again, we've hung onto him for another two seasons since then. Last season he didn't feature until the final two games, and as you said, this season he just doesn't look up to it at all.

The latest rumour is that Mertesacker wanted to retire at the end of last season, but Wenger asked him to do another season. Obviously we have no idea how true that actually is, but at the moment there may be some truth in it. I don't know whether it's misplaced loyalty or even not wanting to spend the money replacing them, but we keep seeing evidence of Wenger hanging onto these players for so long and it kills us. I don't doubt we'll see something similar happening with Koscielny and Monreal as well.

 
Re: The combined age of our three centre backs was 96 Ratings
Shane (IP Logged)
12 December, 2017 11:54
I wouldn't have kept him on as I said, and I don't doubt that rumour for a second, but I can see Wenger's thinking behind it.

He was outstanding in the FA Cup final when his age, coupled with the fact it was his first game of the season, should've meant that he was disaster. But I think Wenger also wants him around because of his presence. There's countless anecdotal evidence from past players to suggest that Wenger doesn't like confrontation. There's also anecdotal evidence that Mertesacker is the disciplinarian in the squad, the one who keeps them from stepping out of line, so I think it's probably his dressing room influence which is why he has been retained.

As I said, I don't agree with it because why not just go out and buy a class centre-back with leadership qualities coming out of his arrse, but that's my guess.

 
Re: The combined age of our three centre backs was 96 Ratings
MattySadler (IP Logged)
12 December, 2017 16:53
And probably why Mertesacker is getting put straight into a pretty important backroom role as well, yes good point.

 
Re: The combined age of our three centre backs was 96 Ratings
Merlion96 (IP Logged)
12 December, 2017 21:12
Wrong tactics with Mertesacker in Back-3.

Notice the wide gaps of Back-3 without Xhaka providing cover between defenders?
Terry Austin had a field day running into those gaps between defenders.

Mertesacker is a Back-4 defenders in a compact back-line with defenders space less than 10 yards ... and needed a quick-recovering Koscielny to get him out of jail once a pacy forward like Austin got pass him..

 
Re: The combined age of our three centre backs was 96 Ratings
Boston Gooner (IP Logged)
12 December, 2017 23:20
Koscielny's quick-recovering days are over.



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Re: The combined age of our three centre backs was 96 Ratings
MattySadler (IP Logged)
13 December, 2017 08:02
So factoring it all in, we've potentially got the cost of replacing star man Alexis and Ozil, the cost of replacing soon-to-be out of contract players like Mertesacker, Wilshere and Cazorla, plus the likes of Ramsey, Giroud, Walcott and Welbeck who'll be out of contract at the end of next season, and the cost of replacing players at the end of their careers like Cech, Koscielny and Monreal.

 
Re: The combined age of our three centre backs was 96 Ratings
Boston Gooner (IP Logged)
13 December, 2017 10:16
Bit of a mess Matty isn't it. lol



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Re: The combined age of our three centre backs was 96 Ratings
Optimistic Gunner (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 07:40
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Boston Gooner
Koscielny's quick-recovering days are over.



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