Quote:younghansolo
Much better STRIKER than Messi or Ronaldo. He's a class above currently.
Let's hope he leaves sours soon.
Quote:Shane
Do we still think Pochettino is overachieving? He's spent a lot of money, has had the best striker in world football for the past three years and the closest he's come to winning a trophy was a League Cup final defeat three years ago.
Quote:Shane
Do we still think Pochettino is overachieving? He's spent a lot of money, has had the best striker in world football for the past three years and the closest he's come to winning a trophy was a League Cup final defeat three years ago.
Quote:CazOnARola
He's not the best in the world. He fluffs chances so does cavani etc. Beat striker in the world if you cab call him that is still messi, suarez etc
Quote:Best strikers don't win you those things. Teams do. If there's anyone that has single handedly for a team close than its messi. There are only handful of such examples. Every other player in this generation has needed their team to do it for them. If milan baros had won the trophy instead of a team like greece, it wouldn't make him the best striker in europe. The best British left winger is probably ryan giggs.SandyBQuote:CazOnARola
He's not the best in the world. He fluffs chances so does cavani etc. Beat striker in the world if you cab call him that is still messi, suarez etc
Best striker in the world will be decided whoever lifts the CL, WC etc in the world cup year. Still pretty long way to go. The man who achieves the most in the world cup year will get the Ballon D'Or. Unfortunately don't see Harry Kane anywhere close to that... prove me wrong!! Scoring tonnes of goals against Sunderland or Southampton doesn't produce the best striker in the world!! Sorry...
Quote:CazOnARolaQuote:Best strikers don't win you those things. Teams do. If there's anyone that has single handedly for a team close than its messi. There are only handful of such examples. Every other player in this generation has needed their team to do it for them. If milan baros had won the trophy instead of a team like greece, it wouldn't make him the best striker in europe. The best British left winger is probably ryan giggs.SandyBQuote:CazOnARola
He's not the best in the world. He fluffs chances so does cavani etc. Beat striker in the world if you cab call him that is still messi, suarez etc
Best striker in the world will be decided whoever lifts the CL, WC etc in the world cup year. Still pretty long way to go. The man who achieves the most in the world cup year will get the Ballon D'Or. Unfortunately don't see Harry Kane anywhere close to that... prove me wrong!! Scoring tonnes of goals against Sunderland or Southampton doesn't produce the best striker in the world!! Sorry...
We play too much emphasis on winning things to call individuals great in a team sport.
Harry kane wouldn't be best striker in the world even if he won the next world cup or ucl cause when you talk about those things you look at records, technique, influence, vision, types of goals scored, ability to create something out of nothing etc...
Messi will always be the best player/striker/winger/ACM in the world cause he can do stuff with that football that not many if any can. He's better in those positions than all the other players whose specialty is to play in those positions. If doesn't matter if Argentina didn't win the world cup because of a disjointed team.
Quote:SandyB
Having said that to be fair to Pochettino, he's the guy who developed Kane from almost nothing player so credit goes to him.
Quote:ShaneQuote:SandyB
Having said that to be fair to Pochettino, he's the guy who developed Kane from almost nothing player so credit goes to him.
Harry Kane was scoring senior goals for Tottenham under Andre Villas-Boas and Tim Sherwood, Sandy. In fact, he made his Spurs debut six months before Pochettino even joined Southampton.
Your South American bias is shameless.
Quote:SandyB
Bullshi.t if you give credit to Wenger for making Henry who he's today then you need to give credit to Pochettino for Harry Kane, both are fair credits. AVB did fu.ck all that season when he brought in Kane was in shambles it was like trying his last luck before he was busted. Kane n quite a few English players grow under Pochettino tremendously. So give credit where it's due, dude.
Quote:Ok then would you not give credit to Wenger for Fabregas?ShaneQuote:SandyB
Bullshi.t if you give credit to Wenger for making Henry who he's today then you need to give credit to Pochettino for Harry Kane, both are fair credits. AVB did fu.ck all that season when he brought in Kane was in shambles it was like trying his last luck before he was busted. Kane n quite a few English players grow under Pochettino tremendously. So give credit where it's due, dude.
Wenger was involved in Henry's formative years. He worked with him since he was 15, and then gave him his first ever professional contract, and then gave him his Monaco debut when he was 16. Until Mbappe, Henry was the youngest ever player to play for Monaco Sandy.
Did Pochettino play a role in Kane's formative years? No because he was about to turn twenty-f*cking-one when Pochettino arrived at Tottenham mate. His path was already set.
Quote:Something like they are putting 100m bid for Ramsey n 80m for Bellerin for past 3 years, merl??merl
Plus Real and Barca will be tabling obscene 200+ mil to get him next season
Quote:Sandy why aren't you getting the point of my post mate?SandyBQuote:CazOnARolaQuote:Best strikers don't win you those things. Teams do. If there's anyone that has single handedly for a team close than its messi. There are only handful of such examples. Every other player in this generation has needed their team to do it for them. If milan baros had won the trophy instead of a team like greece, it wouldn't make him the best striker in europe. The best British left winger is probably ryan giggs.SandyBQuote:CazOnARola
He's not the best in the world. He fluffs chances so does cavani etc. Beat striker in the world if you cab call him that is still messi, suarez etc
Best striker in the world will be decided whoever lifts the CL, WC etc in the world cup year. Still pretty long way to go. The man who achieves the most in the world cup year will get the Ballon D'Or. Unfortunately don't see Harry Kane anywhere close to that... prove me wrong!! Scoring tonnes of goals against Sunderland or Southampton doesn't produce the best striker in the world!! Sorry...
We play too much emphasis on winning things to call individuals great in a team sport.
Harry kane wouldn't be best striker in the world even if he won the next world cup or ucl cause when you talk about those things you look at records, technique, influence, vision, types of goals scored, ability to create something out of nothing etc...
Messi will always be the best player/striker/winger/ACM in the world cause he can do stuff with that football that not many if any can. He's better in those positions than all the other players whose specialty is to play in those positions. If doesn't matter if Argentina didn't win the world cup because of a disjointed team.
Duh.. best striker wins shi.t. Best strikers score vital goals to win shi.t, best strikers doesn't showup with a big zilt in there trophy cabinet. We aren't talking about Messi here dude who literally won truckload of trophies n he didn't win all those shi.t alone but with loads of other best players in the world but still he was the best player for a while. We are talking about a hype which is Harry Kane, what exactly changed that makes him the best striker in the world??
Quote:nomi_gooner
Pochettino has been a much much better manager than Wenger.
Quote:CazOnARola
Sandy why aren't you getting the point of my post mate?
Quote:ShaneQuote:nomi_gooner
Pochettino has been a much much better manager than Wenger.
Except he hasn't, Nomi.
He has won no trophies. He has reached the final of one competition - the League Cup. He has won ONE of 18 away games against the Premier League's top six. He has spent £50 million more than Wenger since 2015 (in fact, I'll need to check this but I'm betting that Tottenham's squad was more expensive than ours). He masterminded a Champions League win against a Real Madrid side who are fourth in La Liga. His Tottenham side didn't make it out of the group stages last season. Kyle Walker and Danny Rose were fully-grown men and established Tottenham regulars when he arrived, so Pochettino nurtured them, really? Harry Kane was starting and scoring in Premier League games before he arrived at Tottenham and that's because his talent, personality and attitude were formed long before Pochettino. He didn't discover Son Heung-min - the fact he cost £23 million should indicate that he didn't arrive at Spurs as an unknown who Pochettino nurtured for years.
All of these are solid facts, Nomi. What you do with them is entirely up to you.
Quote:CazOnARolaQuote:Sandy why aren't you getting the point of my post mate?SandyBQuote:CazOnARolaQuote:Best strikers don't win you those things. Teams do. If there's anyone that has single handedly for a team close than its messi. There are only handful of such examples. Every other player in this generation has needed their team to do it for them. If milan baros had won the trophy instead of a team like greece, it wouldn't make him the best striker in europe. The best British left winger is probably ryan giggs.SandyBQuote:CazOnARola
He's not the best in the world. He fluffs chances so does cavani etc. Beat striker in the world if you cab call him that is still messi, suarez etc
Best striker in the world will be decided whoever lifts the CL, WC etc in the world cup year. Still pretty long way to go. The man who achieves the most in the world cup year will get the Ballon D'Or. Unfortunately don't see Harry Kane anywhere close to that... prove me wrong!! Scoring tonnes of goals against Sunderland or Southampton doesn't produce the best striker in the world!! Sorry...
We play too much emphasis on winning things to call individuals great in a team sport.
Harry kane wouldn't be best striker in the world even if he won the next world cup or ucl cause when you talk about those things you look at records, technique, influence, vision, types of goals scored, ability to create something out of nothing etc...
Messi will always be the best player/striker/winger/ACM in the world cause he can do stuff with that football that not many if any can. He's better in those positions than all the other players whose specialty is to play in those positions. If doesn't matter if Argentina didn't win the world cup because of a disjointed team.
Duh.. best striker wins shi.t. Best strikers score vital goals to win shi.t, best strikers doesn't showup with a big zilt in there trophy cabinet. We aren't talking about Messi here dude who literally won truckload of trophies n he didn't win all those shi.t alone but with loads of other best players in the world but still he was the best player for a while. We are talking about a hype which is Harry Kane, what exactly changed that makes him the best striker in the world??
I'm saying harry kane wouldn't be the best striker in the world even if he won the golden boot next summer and win the world cup. Because he simply didn't have the skills to be called the best.
Thomas muller has scored countless important goals in his career for his respective team and won almost everything there is to win. That guy isn't the best anything
Am, Winger, striker. He's just a very good player during those years playing for a very good team.
However phillip lam was probably the best in his position for a few years during in his peak because he was actually one of the best if not the best in his position.
Why is it so hard to grasp? You can easily have the best player in the world in a particular position who does well against all opposition and still his team wins @#$%& all because they are chokers,/average/insert pbm.
Messi hasnt won anything internationally because of his team. If he didn't play for barca and played for an English team, theres a good chance he wouldn't have won ucl as well.
Im saying its skill and individual performance that counts when talking about players in a specific position. Team results cannot be the only consideration.
In short imho, harry kane isn't the best striker in the world cause he simply doesn't perform like one or exhibits the skills that would make me call him the best. It doesny matter if he wins the quadruple with spurs just like muller does with his teams
Quote:nomi_gooner
- Pochettino inherited a very average team, tottenham at the time looked like this :
25 Lloris
2 Walker
20 Dawson
6 Chiriches
3 Rose
7 Lennon
42 Bentaleb
19 Dembélé
23 Eriksen
10 Adebayor
9 Soldado
Substitutes
15 Capoue
21 Chadli
24 Friedel
35 Fryers
43 Fredericks
Rose was there but lets be honest, everyone thought he was sh.it at the time (including me). He has improved significantly.
Quote:nomi_gooner
Paulinho, Lamela and Siggurdson were not starting.
Quote:You again missed the point mate. I ain't kane it's absolutely no where near the other people i mentioned. That is the point. It's not his team's success that is reason he is not.SandyBQuote:CazOnARolaQuote:Sandy why aren't you getting the point of my post mate?SandyBQuote:CazOnARolaQuote:Best strikers don't win you those things. Teams do. If there's anyone that has single handedly for a team close than its messi. There are only handful of such examples. Every other player in this generation has needed their team to do it for them. If milan baros had won the trophy instead of a team like greece, it wouldn't make him the best striker in europe. The best British left winger is probably ryan giggs.SandyBQuote:CazOnARola
He's not the best in the world. He fluffs chances so does cavani etc. Beat striker in the world if you cab call him that is still messi, suarez etc
Best striker in the world will be decided whoever lifts the CL, WC etc in the world cup year. Still pretty long way to go. The man who achieves the most in the world cup year will get the Ballon D'Or. Unfortunately don't see Harry Kane anywhere close to that... prove me wrong!! Scoring tonnes of goals against Sunderland or Southampton doesn't produce the best striker in the world!! Sorry...
We play too much emphasis on winning things to call individuals great in a team sport.
Harry kane wouldn't be best striker in the world even if he won the next world cup or ucl cause when you talk about those things you look at records, technique, influence, vision, types of goals scored, ability to create something out of nothing etc...
Messi will always be the best player/striker/winger/ACM in the world cause he can do stuff with that football that not many if any can. He's better in those positions than all the other players whose specialty is to play in those positions. If doesn't matter if Argentina didn't win the world cup because of a disjointed team.
Duh.. best striker wins shi.t. Best strikers score vital goals to win shi.t, best strikers doesn't showup with a big zilt in there trophy cabinet. We aren't talking about Messi here dude who literally won truckload of trophies n he didn't win all those shi.t alone but with loads of other best players in the world but still he was the best player for a while. We are talking about a hype which is Harry Kane, what exactly changed that makes him the best striker in the world??
I'm saying harry kane wouldn't be the best striker in the world even if he won the golden boot next summer and win the world cup. Because he simply didn't have the skills to be called the best.
Thomas muller has scored countless important goals in his career for his respective team and won almost everything there is to win. That guy isn't the best anything
Am, Winger, striker. He's just a very good player during those years playing for a very good team.
However phillip lam was probably the best in his position for a few years during in his peak because he was actually one of the best if not the best in his position.
Why is it so hard to grasp? You can easily have the best player in the world in a particular position who does well against all opposition and still his team wins @#$%& all because they are chokers,/average/insert pbm.
Messi hasnt won anything internationally because of his team. If he didn't play for barca and played for an English team, theres a good chance he wouldn't have won ucl as well.
Im saying its skill and individual performance that counts when talking about players in a specific position. Team results cannot be the only consideration.
In short imho, harry kane isn't the best striker in the world cause he simply doesn't perform like one or exhibits the skills that would make me call him the best. It doesny matter if he wins the quadruple with spurs just like muller does with his teams
I understand what you are talking about n I’m saying what you are trying to say isn’t correct. Football is a team game so individual success n stardom is only measured by team’s success. There is no chance in fuc.king hell that a striker from 5th place team of English league will receive ballon d’or the Olympic gold medal equivalent of an individual sports.
Peter crouch scoring 50 goals for stoke city will never ever make him the best striker in the world. Also stop putting arbitrary names like Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Suarez or Thomas Muller while talking about Harry Kane, the guy wouldn’t even be able to tie any of their boots. Actually he isn’t even half the Kylian Mbappe, scoring some hat tricks n goals in domestic league for 5th place team doesn’t make the best striker in the world.
Edit: Long story short, Harry Kane is vey good striker, the best in form striker in English league, prolific goal scorer against weak defenders, goalkeepers due to his instinctive quick shooting ability also good in air, he’s elaborate version of Giroud n Laca but absolutely unsuitable to carry the team like Madrid, Barca, PSG or even Man City due to his limitations in self creation skill, pace or power against best defenders of world football. I’m so confident of this that I’ve already forecast to my Spuds mate to burst the bubble that Juve defense will keep him in their pocket in the upcoming CL tie, this guy isn’t even half the last spurs legend Gareth Bale.
Quote:SandyB
Give it up Nomi, Shane is AKB, sun rises behind Wenger’s ass n never sets..he will come up with all sorts to prove every manager is failure n unproven compared to Wenger. Few years ago he was talking same shi.t about Pep Guardiola until made an ass outta himself, then he picked up Klopp now Pochettino.
Quote:ShaneQuote:nomi_gooner
Paulinho, Lamela and Siggurdson were not starting.
Fredericks and Zeki Fryers weren't making their bench every week but you included them mate. I think what's happened here is that you've photoshopped Tottenham's squad that year to make it look far worse than it was, by omitting important players and including absolute nobodies, to exaggerate Spurs' transformation under Pochettino. How do you forgot about Vertonghen but remember to include Ryan Fredericks pal?
The one fact you can't really get away from is that Tottenham have spent £50 million more than Arsenal since 2015 and yet Tottenham, managed by a wizard and the greatest young manager in world football, are level on points with Arsenal, managed by a incompetent, tactically-inept dinosaur.
Question you need to ask is whether you're massively overrating Pochettino or massively underrating Wenger Nomi, because it's one of the two.
Quote:nomi_gooner
Hey buddy, I wanted to cross check this statement. You sneaky sneaky akb fella.
Here are the net spend for both clubs in the last three years (And unlike you i will provide a source as well)
Arsenal:
Gross spent : 195 Million
Net spent : 147 Million
Tottenham
Gross spent : 143 Million
Net spent : 12 Million
Arsenal net spending in the last three years is 135 Million more than suprs.
Their net spend is about 1000% more.
I will love to have your response now
Link : [www.telegraph.co.uk]
Quote:Boston Gooner
The truth is Wenger is a spent force and needs to go.
Quote:Stop patronizing a dinosaur with some dodgy numbers to prove a point. You don’t need to look into how much he spent to know he has no place in modern day football other than retirement home.ShaneQuote:Boston Gooner
The truth is Wenger is a spent force and needs to go.
Nobody is saying he needs to stay mate.
Quote:celine dion
Shane, you are massively ignoring WAGES. which play a big part in how a manager builds a squad. the tottenham manager may have spent more than Wenger in terms of transfers but in terms of what he pays them he's at a massive disadvantage compared to Wenger.
Quote:Dude no mathematics work when you compare a dinosaur he’s the manager at the club when Harry Kane was 3 yrs old with the manager who made him at the club only the same amount of time 3 years. So stop throwing those shitty numbers to justify the legacy of a dinosaur who in historical terms have seen from Egyptian to Inca every civilization on the earth n have seen n work with players now their grandchildren are playing football with so little achievements to show off distributed over such galactic time of his stay. Wenger is embarrassment to all these modern day managers when you see him trying 2nd rated imitation to some of these managers like Klopp or Pochettino.Shane
Nothing dodgy about the numbers. For someone who works in the financial sector I thought you'd know how to calculate an average.
Quote:SandyB
If you are talking about financial terms Wenger burnt around 85m on only two players Ozil n Sanchez neither Pochettino nor Klopp has ever done that in their life.
Quote:No I didn’t, not letting go World class players who he has created almost for free is one thing n buying a player for 50m then failed to keep him then letting him go for free is another thing. As I said the guy is embarrassment to modern day football n a fraud.ShaneQuote:SandyB
If you are talking about financial terms Wenger burnt around 85m on only two players Ozil n Sanchez neither Pochettino nor Klopp has ever done that in their life.
This is just one of the many things you've said in this thread without using your brain, because it's not true - Klopp has lost world-class players for free, and he's probably going to lose another big player for free in the summer.
I'm not telling you who the players are. Wipe your own arrse for once after sh*tting all over the place.
Quote:Caz, shano is talking about players like Mario Gotze and Lewandowski the world class players one is Dortmund academy product n another Dortmund bought paying only Euro 4.5m. Both were tapped up by Bayern n Dortmund refused them to go as they weren't interested in any other club. Shano pretending to ignore that unlike Wenger, Klopp had limited authority to make such decision. Dortmund is a proper football club not run like Sopranos which is the way Arsene Wenger runs Arsenal without fuc.king any accountability. Shano knows all these but the fatherly love towards the old senile fool has made him blind.CazOnARola
Both are equally so stupid cause you are letting a player worth millions go for free with no money to replace.
Chelsea did the right thing with matic. Bought a specimen in bakayoko. If a player is refusing to sign the contract, you should sell with 2 years to go and not let him enter into the final year. If the player is not the most critical, he should be benched instead of playing like ox did for us and pressured into signing new terms rather than calling the shots. Most good managers bench contact rebels or rebels of any nature. If just creates disharmony.
We are so disjointed that even players playing half heartedly on good to us cause the team is playing so @#$%& there is no team play that is actually suffering by playing players like sanchez. Yes he turns the ball over but the others aren't doing enough with the ball anyway
Quote:CazOnARola
Any place that has a director of football, it would be wrong to just blame the manager.
Quote:ShaneQuote:CazOnARola
Any place that has a director of football, it would be wrong to just blame the manager.
Klopp had far more control on transfers than your average head coach. That's why at least three of his early signings at Dortmund were players he managed at Mainz. He signed them. Klopp also signed Henrikh Mkhitaryan, after cancelling his holiday to go and meet him and convince him to join, so anyone powerful enough to complete record-breaking transfer deals probably doesn't have a "limited authority to make big decisions" at Dortmund.
This is why you have to treat everything Sandy says in matters regarding Wenger as suspicious. He confidently claimed last week that Arsenal finished sixth in the Premier League last season. He also confidently claimed years ago that Arsenal would run away with the Premier League title if Klopp replaced Wenger, which I think is a prime example of how he overrates Wenger's rivals to make him look bad.
Quote:don't agree with that has been pants for 10 years considering he was the earliest adopters of first the 5 in midfield and then barca s 4-3-3 before other teams followed suit.
Quote:SandyB
Instead he sold Diarra who soon became a DM sensation ending up playing for Real Madrid.
Quote:ShaneQuote:SandyB
Instead he sold Diarra who soon became a DM sensation ending up playing for Real Madrid.
Who sold him to Arsenal Sandy? It was your boyfriend Mourinho, wasn't it. This is the part you wriggle free and pretend that Mourinho selling him is different to Wenger selling him
Quote:But I don’t manage your club, Lord Wenger does!Shane
You're a specialist in wriggling.
Quote:CazOnARola
Of course, I'm comparing him to DMs in that era.
He will walk into most teams today as would most players from that era because of their understanding of the game and technical abilities.
Thsts how crappy the standard of football is nowadays with hardly any decent center backs/dms in any league.
Ppl like n golo kante are made to look world class
Quote:Defend however you guys want to defend Wenger, money was there or not, Adebayor wasn’t scoring enough, Diarra wasn’t world class etc. Threads are here in AT when we talk about all these stuff, you can dig n read. The failure is well documented n Arsenal finished 3 rd in that season eventually 4 points behind winner ManU giving away 5 points lead at the top of the table. That’s the start of pants down era of Arsene Wenger now the pant doesn’t exist n we all predicted those days this is coming.CazOnARola
Sandy the reason he was sold by mourinho is because there were better DMs available those days. I see him play for us and he was missing simple passes just like Diaby.
If you watch him now he will look world class cause there are not specialist DMs left anymore. They just cover and take up defensive positions. There are hardly any DMs that can tackle and win tbf ball of attackers like hazard, coutinho etc when the chips are down and there s 3 on 3 situation. Most of the time they end up taking a yellow for the team with everyone applauding the professional fouls.
Waiting at the right moment and tackling used to be a skill which is lost today. Diarra was by no means s world beater. Niether was michael owen when madrid bought him.
Whether he had the money to buy the defender or not is anybody s guess.
And adebayor was over worked and didn't play the final part of the that season very well. Rvp was a perma crock Winger back then
Quote:Shane
Nobody is denying Arsenal should've won the Premier League in 2008 Sandy. Wenger also f*cked up in 2011, 2014 and 2016 by leaving the squad short. He will continue to do this, because for some reason he refuses to learn from his mistakes. This makes him an idiot. Does it make him a sh*t football manager? No, it just stops him from being a great one again and if you take anything from this debacle of a thread then make sure it's that.
Quote:He rejected Paris Saint-Germain in 2014 and 2015 Sandy, which also debunks your money grabbing theory I think.
Quote:I disagree. The game is different. More fast paced and demanding physically. Teams are much better filled to hold their shape. No ridiculous highline so now difficult to get at the back four.GoofleQuote:CazOnARola
Of course, I'm comparing him to DMs in that era.
He will walk into most teams today as would most players from that era because of their understanding of the game and technical abilities.
Thsts how crappy the standard of football is nowadays with hardly any decent center backs/dms in any league.
Ppl like n golo kante are made to look world class
The level of football is a lot higher in the modern game you lunatic.
Kante is so far ahead of sh*te like Diarra and Flamini.
Quote:SandyB
That's a story he tells but no one believes EXCEPT AKBs.. Even if PSG ever recruited him wouldn't have last more than 3 months with their lineup of players, they would go on strike to oust him.. he knows that that's why he never goes anywhere!!