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BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Billythekid (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 11:15
An amazing talent and another ACM to add to the purchase of Kagawa. So another quantum leap between Arsenal and the top 3 then, every year we slip further and further behind and this year will evidently be no different.

Here.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Billythekid (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 11:20

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
BootyDaddy (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 11:22
Don't worry, i hear the Kalou to Lille deal isn't final yet.

We may get him on a free, which will trump this deal to hell and back.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Billythekid (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 11:29
(Sm9) NO (Sm161)

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 11:33
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Billythekid
An amazing talent and another ACM to add to the purchase of Kagawa. So another quantum leap between Arsenal and the top 3 then, every year we slip further and further behind and this year will evidently be no different.
Here.

We came 3rd dufus.
The gap was between the top 2 and us.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Billythekid (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 11:43
Don't start a post by insulting me you infant, Chelsea won the CL whereas we just qualified for it and they have won titles and FA cups hand over fist for the last 6 or 7 years so being that they are clearly a better team than we are I regard them currently as the 3rd best team in the league behind Citeh and Man U.

Is your argument that because we finished 3rd this year that that puts us in a better position than Chelsea to win things this year ?

Obviously now that they have added Marin, Hazard and are on the cusp of signing Oscar to add to their Champions league trophy the hierarchy has been consolidated, does everything have to be broken down like a Peter and Jane book with you or can you not follow text in lieu of pictures

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
celine dion (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 11:49
Well I think everythings just FINE Billy. This year is definitely our year.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
SandyB (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 11:57
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Philly the kid
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Billythekid
An amazing talent and another ACM to add to the purchase of Kagawa. So another quantum leap between Arsenal and the top 3 then, every year we slip further and further behind and this year will evidently be no different.
Here.

We came 3rd dufus.


The gap was between the top 2 and us.

20 points. 19 to be more precise.



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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 12:05
chelski and tottenham are after oscar, cheslksi signed hazard, manu signed kagawa, there are AM out there i hope we arent just twiddling our fingers



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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Indiangooner (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 12:06
well the fingers are a bit busy up in Stan's ar$e

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
gunnersingh (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 12:10
Moura will be one of the best players of all time. 30 million is a bargain.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Indiangooner (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 12:16
at Arsenal, we dont buy superstars, we create them (Sm159)

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
BootyDaddy (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 12:20
I don't get why people get there hopes up. The club haven't even remotely mentioned buying an AM to my knowledge.

Rosicky is the no.1 and we don't want to kiiiiiilll Ramsey do we.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
celine dion (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 12:38
Well, according to twitter quite a lot of people DO want to kill Ramsay Mr BootyDaddy, but i know what you meant.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Gunners R Us (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 12:39
Let's see how well he does or whether the deal actually goes through first before complaining.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
10 July, 2012 12:49
Oh well as everyone else is at it @#$%& arsenal @#$%& stan and @#$%& wenger

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
BootyDaddy (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 12:56
That's the spirit BBS.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Gunners R Us (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 12:58
I did some 5 minute research and found this out:

-The Original Poster got this story from a transfer column on bbc, not an actual bbc story with quotes, etc
-Today there were reports he is on his way to Inter Milan
- The chairman of Sao Paolo says Inter have no money.
- I went to Redcafe, I man utd forum, and they say it is unlikely Fergie will spend that amount of money on him. They are just as likely/ unlikely to get him as they are moutinho.
- Man Utd fans are unsure whether fergie will even spend more money in this window. A left back may be likely.
- Not many people, unless they are from Brazil, have seen him play and all the hype is on speculation



So what I have gathered in this 5 minute spell is that no one knows anything and we all just want an excuse to say @#$%& hell we are s.hite, the world is over, lets go support A.F.C wimbledon.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
ArsenalForever (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 13:05
if it was arsenal that put in 30 mil for him then you guys would be complaining about how we are spending loads on an unknown and unproven player and that we should instead buy a defensive player

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
BootyDaddy (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 13:06
Whether this is true or not it doesn't change the fact that our top rivals book Batman for their christmas party and we always have to settle for Robin.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Mad Jens (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 13:11
And even Robin is starting to book bigger gigs now.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
younghansolo (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 13:12
United won't sign another ACM this season. They have a midfield much more experienced and of better quality than ours already tohugh, they don't need to.

Time to face what we are, a hard working bunch on non-superstars.

If, IF Jack is fit I don't think we need another personally but that's putting a lot of pressure on a kid. I just think a young midfield can grow together

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
BootyDaddy (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 13:17
Our players are hard working?

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Mad Jens (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 13:19
Is a midfield of Jack, Song and Arteta really that young?

We've got plenty of options up top (you can debate about quality, but options we do have), I'm pretty happy with the way we look defensively, but there's a lot of question marks in midfield.

We're one injury to Song or Arteta away from a complete meltdown, and Jack won't feature for a while yet surely.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
SandyB (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 13:26
1st i don't think this is true.
2nd Man united doesn't have a CL winning quality team.
3rd i totally dislike Man United but must say Man United would be the best team in England as he is more suited for winger than attacking mid fielder.



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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
PKGooner (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 13:33
Utd are skint

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
younghansolo (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 14:10
Im thinking longer term in the likes of Theo, Wilshere, Ramsey, Ox coquelin ans being the young ones to develop together as a unit.

I agree that we need cover for Jack but I can't really see us going and spending 30m on a midfielder to cover for him. It's just not Wengers style.

I don't like it, hell I'd love us to go out and buy a direct replacement for Cesc, but it's just not going to happen

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
tigerline (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 14:20
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Im thinking longer term in the likes of Theo, Wilshere, Ramsey, Ox coquelin ans being the young ones to develop together as a unit.
I agree that we need cover for Jack but I can't really see us going and spending 30m on a midfielder to cover for him. It's just not Wengers style.

I don't like it, hell I'd love us to go out and buy a direct replacement for Cesc, but it's just not going to happen

you are accepting of these developments even though you don't like it. Why is that?

the answer lies within - getting a badly-needed, talented AM from elsewhere is "just not wenger's style."

It is, in fact, wenger's "style" that is holding this club back while others add more and more new talent.

wenger must go - the sooner, the better.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
younghansolo (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 15:12
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Im thinking longer term in the likes of Theo, Wilshere, Ramsey, Ox coquelin ans being the young ones to develop together as a unit.
I agree that we need cover for Jack but I can't really see us going and spending 30m on a midfielder to cover for him. It's just not Wengers style.

I don't like it, hell I'd love us to go out and buy a direct replacement for Cesc, but it's just not going to happen

you are accepting of these developments even though you don't like it. Why is that?

the answer lies within - getting a badly-needed, talented AM from elsewhere is "just not wenger's style."

It is, in fact, wenger's "style" that is holding this club back while others add more and more new talent.

wenger must go - the sooner, the better.

I think it's more systemic than just Wenger tbh. I think the whole club is a mess from top to bottom and it's either accept the kids we have and hope they make it or force a change which i suspect is going to be impossible.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 15:30
I will say it again Tigerline pretending things will change solely with a mangerial change is utterly irresponsible especially give that there is absolutely nothing the Club has said or done to suggest that is the case.

What are you going to say or do if and when a new manager comes on and the same lack of spending and the same under-quality player recruitemnt and the same slaes of player at the higher end of wage structure the continues? Oops? Oh well? D'OH?

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
karsene16 (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 15:54
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I will say it again Tigerline pretending things will change solely with a mangerial change is utterly irresponsible especially give that there is absolutely nothing the Club has said or done to suggest that is the case.
What are you going to say or do if and when a new manager comes on and the same lack of spending and the same under-quality player recruitemnt and the same slaes of player at the higher end of wage structure the continues? Oops? Oh well? D'OH?

Things changed dramatically at Newcastle with a new scout, why can't things change at Arsenal if Wenger and his scouting team leave.

I think Arsenal times can make better scouting team than what we've seen in recent years.



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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
tigerline (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 16:02
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I will say it again Tigerline pretending things will change solely with a mangerial change is utterly irresponsible especially give that there is absolutely nothing the Club has said or done to suggest that is the case.
What are you going to say or do if and when a new manager comes on and the same lack of spending and the same under-quality player recruitemnt and the same slaes of player at the higher end of wage structure the continues? Oops? Oh well? D'OH?

Again, I have NEVER disagreed with you. I have stated numerous times that I think that you are correct in your assessment of the board's proclivities. The Board should be pilloried and you cover that ground quite well.

wenger is my windmill. I do not understand why you continually post that we are across purposes. changing the manager is a start ... a quick fix. It is on THE BOARD to fix this situation ASAP.

Besides, if the scenario unfolds as you describe after the manager is replaced, wouldn't that serve to substantiate your allegations? It seems that bringing pressure on the board to sack wenger, and justifiably so, would be in furtherance of your goal to expose the greedy ba$tards for what they are.

Don't hate - we have common ground here.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 16:03
Because the flawed money policy will undermine improving the team sufficiently. Unless third or fourth place with bigger profits tucked away is your idea of a trophy or successfully challenging for one.


Of course its hardly surpising that someone more intertested in protecting the Custodians reputations than the best interests of the football Club would make this false or at best deeply flawed argument.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
SuperRob (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 16:26
Wenger chose to spend the same amount of money on an 18 year old ramsey and 17 year old walcott as ferguson has chosen to spend on a proven 23 year old kagawa. Of course the youth project is a choice made by Wenger. Another manager could be successful at arsenal with the same board and same transfer spending because they would be more likely to spend the same amount but on fewer players, ie spending on proven and older players rather than buying lots of youngsters and seeing which ones turn out well.

And lets also face the fact that Wengers decisions on young players have been poor. Which is why we've ended up with a squad full of under achieving, overpaid deadwood. Its his decision who we buy and last summer, apparently we spent £50 million on players!! Have they justified that? Arteta has. No one else has. We would have been better off spending £25million on one player and then the remaining £25 million on gervinho arteta and a left back and not spending ridiculous money on youngsters like ox.

And add to that the fact that Wenger, for someone whose strategy is apparently to develop and bring through young players, in 15 years has only managed to bring less than 5 players from the academy to the first team.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
tigerline (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 16:31
Great Post, Rob.
(Sm128)

wenger is a flawed manager on several levels.
Our roster is currently littered with examples of his failings.

Arsenal needs to move in a different direction with a new manager.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 16:46
The thing is why did this all change from 1998-? Surely if he chose all the players we have bought since the summer of 2005 surely he made all the chices about who we bought from 1998-2005, no?

And even if we were to agree among ourselves that he to use a familair pahrase lost the plot since the summer of 2005, surely if we can see this those running the Club would have to see it and actaccordingly and act sooner rather than later, no?

So explain to me why instead of being sacked Arsene Wenger has signed three extensions since 2005 and the Club showns no sign of not offering him a fourth. Is it all just coincidence? Did everyone at the Club justlose the plot all at once?

People don't make 400 million pounds losing the plot.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
SuperRob (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 16:46
That isn't to say the board are good for the club at the moment though! We'd do better without them as well! Complete change is what we need.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
SuperRob (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 17:00
I don't know what goes through his mind but I would guess that he realised he was unsackable and decided to start his great experiment. He is an idealist and a purist who wants to build a team rather than "cheating" by buying one. But he couldn't do that from the start because no one thought he was the genius they do now.

Also, in the early years, you have to remember that the rich (english) clubs didn't do much scouting abroad so he basically had the pick of whatever french players he wanted. And the french clubs weren't as rich so they would accept lower prices for their players. Now everyone (even people who watch youtube occasionally) knows every good player in the world and all clubs have vast scouting networks across the world.

As for why the board didn't sack him, it would have been and even now still would be a hugely unpopular decision because despite his obvious failures there are still loads of people who can't see it because of his past achievements. Also I think they have too much respect for him to embarass him by sacking him and he earnt that respect in the first successful years of his career.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Gunners R Us (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 17:34
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Wenger chose to spend the same amount of money on an 18 year old ramsey and 17 year old walcott as ferguson has chosen to spend on a proven 23 year old kagawa.

are you talking about them two individually or collectively?

Are you aware fergie was willing to spend the same, if not more tham ramsey, but he chose us?

How do you know how good kagawa is going to be for united?

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
celine dion (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 17:56
What I think the club dont generally discuss, is that there must be 'highest paid player' clauses in some of the iplayer contracts. Otherwise it would be quite straightforward for us to apply the principle of 3 Bentdnters out then 1 x good player in on 3 times the wage. But this wont work if your Walcotts Songs RVPs etc all then qualify for huge pay rises. I am almost certain this is what prevents this principle coming into play.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
SuperRob (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 18:06
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Wenger chose to spend the same amount of money on an 18 year old ramsey and 17 year old walcott as ferguson has chosen to spend on a proven 23 year old kagawa.

are you talking about them two individually or collectively?

Are you aware fergie was willing to spend the same, if not more tham ramsey, but he chose us?

How do you know how good kagawa is going to be for united?

collectively.

Yes. But Wenger was willing to offer higher wages. Probably the reason he chose us, along with more opportunity to play. And Ferguson wouldn't have been relying on him so heavily so quickly. The fact that Ferguson wanted this youngster makes no difference because utd have the financial power to spend on established players as well as young players. Clearly we don't, so I would prefer if we started spending more on established players than young players.

I don't. but I know how good he was for dortmund compared to how good a 16 or 17 year old is for whatever championship club they come from.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 18:41
Rob you seem to ignore a basic reality - It doesn't matter what Arsene Wenger might have though If he changes club policies that is detrimental to the Club and unsatisfactory to its owners they are the ones who will determine what to do.

Think of yourself if you work for an employer. You can think you'd never lose your job no matter but at the end of the who will actually determine that is true? Not you. Your employer will.

So whatever happened for whatever reason if Arsene Wenger pursuing wash is own brief against the wishes and will of the Club's owners and to the Club's detriment wouldn't he have been sacked regardless of his own conclusions about his status?

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 19:01
As to the popularity of sacking Arsene Wenger I would remind you that both the sacking of George Graham as manager and David Dein from the Board were rather unpoopular and hotly debated decisions so I find this idea that they were or are afraid to sack a manager for the very reason you would suggest he should be sacked like any other manager a bit hard to buy.

As to all those French players we were able to secretly scout and recruit you mean Marc Overmars, Freddie Ljungberg, Lauren, Nwankwo Kanu, Jose Reyes, Robin VanPersie, Jens Lehmann, Alex Manninger, GioVanBronckhorst, Gilberto Silva, Edu, Sylvinho, and of course the ooh-la-la- oh-so-french Sulzeer "Sol" Campbell?

And no one was going to scout Patrick Vieira in France as he was already playing in italy for AC Milan when we signed him, and Petit and Henry Arsene Wenger just had to go into tressing room when he managerd Monaco to scout them since both played there - Henry at Youth and Junior team level Petit at in the senior team while Mr. Wenger, managed there. And even then in Henry's case he went to Juventus (another below the radar French side?) first instead of Arsenal.

So really we are left with Nic Anelka, Sylvan Wiltord and Jeremie Alaidere as the fruits of that special advantege you refer to. The record on those three is mixed at best. Wiltord alone and his contribution justifies all three of them, But Anelka probably helped us more when he left unfortunately than while here and he made some very real contributions in that brief time. As for Alaidere, Jeremie Who might be a better name for him.

So do you really want to satmnd by that claim that our success waas culled totally from special advantage our scouting network had in France?

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
karsene16 (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 20:18
Success was only in the league Wenger wants Europe and the style of play needed to change.



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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 21:19
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Success was only in the league Wenger wants Europe and the style of play needed to change.

Pure fraud.

First off, even if I were to agree with you, the fact is this is still Arsenal football Club not Arsene Wenger Football Club and even if I were to conclude that he did in fact feel like doing this, the Arsenal Board had no obligation to support or back his desires if they were happy with the success the team was achieveing - historical success it should be noted - domestically.

The Board did not have to back this shift in startegy you'd like us to believe happened when first proposed for any reason, nor did they have to continue backing once its failure(again assuming for the moment you have made a valid point)had become clear for all to see. Yet they are 100% behind this so-called strategic shift aren't they?Why would that be?

Second, even assuming you are correct then didn't the Board again fatally undermine this strategy again. If you have to increase spending a healthy amount to return to the top two in England never mind win the League doesn't that suggest we would have to do that on an even larger scale to succeed in Europe. Who is the Club with a self-sustaining Arsenal-style business model since 2005 that has won the Champions League? None really.

Indeed the one time we made the CL Final in 2006 featured the least European designed team we have had since 2005 - and we would not have reached that final - Henry, Pires,Ljungberg,Campbell, Bergkamp, Lehmann, Lauren to name a few.

Indeed the more European we have become as you suggest the less successful we have been in Europe, which means either the Board and its financial policies and their motives fatally undemined this effort or again Arsene Wenger's incompetence in successfully following this policy was prefectly satisfactory and acceptable to the Board. Why would that be? Why would they be happy to give up historic domestic success for continental success that seems unlikely to be achieved indefinitely?

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
karsene16 (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 21:35
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Success was only in the league Wenger wants Europe and the style of play needed to change.

Indeed the one time we made the CL Final in 2006 featured the least European designed team we have had since 2005 - and we would not have reached that final - Henry, Pires,Ljungberg,Campbell, Bergkamp, Lehmann, Lauren to name a few.

nope, the main players in that team were the new CM Fabregas and the winger Alex Hleb. New direction, new style.



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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Simon68 (IP Logged)
10 July, 2012 21:41
So even a rumour of a bid is enough to persuade you that the gap is widening.

You are the perfect victim for today's football hype.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
SandyB (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 01:39
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So even a rumour of a bid is enough to persuade you that the gap is widening.

You are the perfect victim for today's football hype.

Simon in football world there isn't any gap anymore there's a niagara falls in between, you must have missed it!



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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Rockstaar (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 02:52
Moura looks like sh.t really, very greedy and selfish...lots of flash like a million brazilian street footballers, but no substance

if he tried all those embarrassing type moves in the EPL, he would end up on his as.s more than anything else

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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 02:57
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Success was only in the league Wenger wants Europe and the style of play needed to change.

Indeed the one time we made the CL Final in 2006 featured the least European designed team we have had since 2005 - and we would not have reached that final - Henry, Pires,Ljungberg,Campbell, Bergkamp, Lehmann, Lauren to name a few.

nope, the main players in that team were the new CM Fabregas and the winger Alex Hleb. New direction, new style.

(Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22)

You guys make it so easy because you will just say anythign and don't care if its true or not of if you even know if its true or not won't you?

You could make an argumemnt that a transition was planned and even to some extent underway but to state that the transition was complete to extent you have is not simply wrong it is close to deliberately dishonest and deceptive. Or I can give you the benefit and just label it completely incompetent analysis. Which do you prefer?

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 03:09
And you might have pulled it off if you were as clever as you thought and just noted Fabregas really. Nut you had to be silly and go too far and add Heleb and discrediot yourself yet again.Hleb's impact was non-existent except as another wide player in the Pires/Ljungberg mold but with significantly less end product that year. Hleb had the fewest starts 17 of any featured Arsenal wing player(Pires 23, Ljungberg 21,Reyes 22) in the Premiership and fewer than any but Ljungberg in the Champions League and played in the hole slighty more often than Denis Bergkamp in his final season.

That doesn't sound like a player at the forefront of anything that year to me.

And my source is the Club's Official Website - are they lying now?

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
karsene16 (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 07:41
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Success was only in the league Wenger wants Europe and the style of play needed to change.

Indeed the one time we made the CL Final in 2006 featured the least European designed team we have had since 2005 - and we would not have reached that final - Henry, Pires,Ljungberg,Campbell, Bergkamp, Lehmann, Lauren to name a few.

nope, the main players in that team were the new CM Fabregas and the winger Alex Hleb. New direction, new style.

(Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22)

You guys make it so easy because you will just say anythign and don't care if its true or not of if you even know if its true or not won't you?

You could make an argumemnt that a transition was planned and even to some extent underway but to state that the transition was complete to extent you have is not simply wrong it is close to deliberately dishonest and deceptive. Or I can give you the benefit and just label it completely incompetent analysis. Which do you prefer?

I would just say anything like those lot got us to the final like Campbell wasn't injured in the running and came back for the final.
Like Lauren was RB when Eboue played most of the games.
Like Bergkamp was any good that season and it wan't his worst ever.
Like ljungberg played in his natural position and wasn't moved central and up front.
like Flamini wasn't playing LB.
Henry missed earlier games.
Reyes played a lot LM also.
The only solid players were Cesc and Hleb but I wouldn't expect an absolute simpleton to understand that.



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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
karsene16 (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 10:24
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Hleb's impact was non-existent except as another wide player in the Pires/Ljungberg mold but with significantly less end product that year.

ya see, simple.



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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
karsene16 (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 10:44
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Hleb had the fewest starts 17 of any featured Arsenal wing player(Pires 23, Ljungberg 21,Reyes 22) in the Premiership and fewer than any but Ljungberg in the Champions League and played in the hole slighty more often than Denis Bergkamp in his final season.

All I know is he played in 10 of the 12 CL games and started 9. Pires 12 started 7, Reyes who was very unlucky to not start in the final played 12 started 11, ljungberg 5, probably why we were @#$%& in the league that year, they were aging.



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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Billythekid (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 13:13
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Moura looks like sh.t really, very greedy and selfish...lots of flash like a million brazilian street footballers, but no substance

And then you used a video of Ronaldo to prove your point, but Ronaldo is bettered only by Messi in today's game. (Sm26)

The point is that Lucas is better now than Ronaldo was at the same age and in my opinion and I think he'll go on to be one of the best players in the world within 3 years.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Rockstaar (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 14:52
I was only showing the kick billy, I could ave used footage from plenty of skillful players who get kicked in the EPL...but who really has the time

Lucas may go on to be one of the best players in the world, but looks like another Denilson to me (not Arsenal's of course)



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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 15:52
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I would just say anything like those lot got us to the final like Campbell wasn't injured in the running and came back for the final.
Like Lauren was RB when Eboue played most of the games.
Like Bergkamp was any good that season and it wan't his worst ever.
Like ljungberg played in his natural position and wasn't moved central and up front.
like Flamini wasn't playing LB.
Henry missed earlier games.
Reyes played a lot LM also.
The only solid players were Cesc and Hleb but I wouldn't expect an absolute simpleton to understand that.

I'm looking for a familiar phrase oh, what it it...oh yeah

(Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22)

Seriously I thought John Cusack was the star of Say Anything

Eboue wasn't even in the team until mid-season and while he did play more often than Lauren from that point the idea that he played in most of the matches that year is mis-leading at best.

Bergkamp was in his final season and played like it at times, but be real he still played a key role throughout that season even if not his usual dominant role

Ljungberg was moved centrally at times as was Reyes and Hleb and even Pires a time or two. So? there is no iron law of where anyone bar a goalkepper actually can be positioned and Arsene Wenger was especially good at expoliting that and still is. As to moving up front at times could that have anything to do with the fact that we short up front because of injuries as you yourself even fall back on here

As to all those Thierry Henry absences you imply occured to try minimize his role lets see - There were exactly four players who made more Premiership appearances than him and only two who made more starts aand one was Jens Lehmann who started every Premiership match in goal the season before as well.Similarly in Europe there were only three players who made more appeances and two who made more starts. Remarkable given all those matches you suggest he missed. By the way he still scored 32 goals in those competitions followed by Pires with 9, a certain young Dutch striker commanding a lot of space here now with 7, and Jose Antonio Reyes with 7. The second centerpiece of our completely new team and style scored 3. Same as Sol Campbell.

But I digress Flamini was at left back where to be fair did a wonderful job in the circumstances solely because of Cole and several others(Clichy,Cygan,Senderos Eboue and Hoyte aming them) tried there were all out through injury before he was gibven the role.

Trying to imply he had taken the position from Cole as part of some new radical strategy that was behind the shift in investment rather than a selfish Board seeking every penny of Filthy Lucre it could for itself at that point is pure deception but what else is new?

Only an absolute simpleton would buy your willful lies and deceptions you present in your desperate defence of the Board's honor. In fact you count on everyone being one because that is all you can do.



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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 15:57
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Rockstaar
I was only showing the kick billy, I could ave used footage from plenty of skillful players who get kicked in the EPL...but who really has the time
Lucas may go on to be one of the best players in the world, but looks like another Denilson to me (not Arsenal's of course)

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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 16:30
All you know is what you want to know - the truth need not apply at Karsene Inc.

Noy onmly are your claims about these players proven largely deceptive or mis-leading.

But even if I were to agree 100% it doesn't change the fact hthe one side to reach the CL final for Arsenal was the Least designed specifically for Europe which rubbishes this latest bit of pro]-Board propaganmda and rationalization

And the pucjh line is this you still haven't answered why the Board either had to back the manager going down this road or could demand change when it clearly backfired something that certainly coulfd and maybe should have been done as early as 2009 if that is in fact how this all happened. Well?

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
karsene16 (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 19:35
stop it Radio, was talking about Wenger buying players to conquer Europe, which is why Hleb played most of the games in Europe as did Cesc but again you decide to try and CHEAT. You've picked up stats from the league ignoring the style of play and stats in Europe where Pires started less game than Hleb and Eboue played more game than Lauren. My argument is that Wenger style of football changed and he decided to buy the players for the style.

Just to win an argument again you cheat because you're a simple person with knowledge.



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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
karsene16 (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 19:46
The board obviously backed a manager, if you just run the club and believe you have less footballing knowledge than you're manager you will back him.

Even if he believe Denilson and Song are footballing DM's, Merida and Barazite will grow into good players and stay at the club. Eduardo is an Henry replacement. Diarra and Nasri will stay at the club, Ramsey's the next best thing. etc etc



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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 20:33
No cheating at all which bntb the wat y is rich coming form someone happyn to lie solely to protect the image of the Board as beloved custodians because that myth means more to use than Arsenal football Club. I truly have no confidence whatseoever to the contrary.

Nut let's address the real issue - which is that you assert that the Club was iraculously trasformed within a signle season basically by the subtraction of one player and the addition of two, and you would ignore the fact that the vast mjority of player in that team in fact did not fit into this transition you insist was already complete at that point.

I even agreed you could suggest a transtion was under way or in its infancy, but no for you it was already fully in place. As I pointed out earlier the one team that came closest to his goal as you would have us believe it was was the team least equipped and least deingned to achieve it. But you falsely suggest a player with three goals all years was more essential to the team its play and success than a player who scored 33.

You sir are speaking like an idiot, a liar or both( I'll let you choose).

But again you will say anything to defend the Board its reputation and virtue. I think you would turn on your family to protect them if need be.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 20:36
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The board obviously backed a manager, if you just run the club and believe you have less footballing knowledge than you're manager you will back him.
Even if he believe Denilson and Song are footballing DM's, Merida and Barazite will grow into good players and stay at the club. Eduardo is an Henry replacement. Diarra and Nasri will stay at the club, Ramsey's the next best thing. etc etc

Ah yes the old they were so incompetent and unaware they made 400 million defence. Its a classic like " Anarchy in the U.K" or "Till The Snd of the Day"


See the Board made 400 million by coincidence, accident, in spite of themselves and against their will. Yeah, that's the ticket....

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Nameless (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 22:25
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Ah yes the old they were so incompetent and unaware they made 400 million defence. Its a classic like " Anarchy in the U.K" or "Till The Snd of the Day"

The manner in which you redirect just about everything, no matter how unrelated, to your repetitive mantra about the board and the money they've made is beyond annoying, and is probably why people don't really take you seriously.

What does them making 400 million (your point) have to do with the point made that when it comes to on-field matters, they're content on letting Wenger deal with all that (Karsene's point)?

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See the Board made 400 million by coincidence, accident, in spite of themselves and against their will. Yeah, that's the ticket...

Except that's not what he said at all. Does having less 'footballing knowledge' than someone refer to how good you are at selling shares or something?

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 23:18
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The manner in which you redirect just about everything, no matter how unrelated, to your repetitive mantra about the board and the money they've made is beyond annoying, and is probably why people don't really take you seriously.

I could care less if people takle me seriously personally. I am concerned with how seriously they take these issues. And to claim what you are claim is pure albi work for peopel already to unwilling to stand up and do anything about this on their own. Seriously. How many people who were engaged in actively pursuing these concerns have stopped because I can be a be a repetitive boring one-note f.uck? Name one please . Name some someone who actively engaged or about to become actively engaged in protesting this state of affairs.

Please the reason I go on and on is because as long as we sit and say and do nothing but feel sorry for ourselves it will only continue and worsen. If you find it boring and dull imagine being the only one who has read evetomne of my posts back to 2005 - that would be me if you were wondering, over here(Sm150 - But if only all those people who were so sure I was wrong about every bit of it in 2005 and 2006 and 2007 and 2008 and 2009 and 2010 and 2011 and even tonight in 2012 were even close to right.

You want a rest from this? Imagine being me! I just care about the Club that much and this that important to the Club now and in the future and the Club is that important to me. It'd be easy to stop otherwise.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
karsene16 (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 23:21
Nameless to save your sanity, don't get involved with him.

He should be called 'The deflector', you'll end up having blind faith in the board for not liking his angle.



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Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 23:27
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What does them making 400 million (your point) have to do with the point made that when it comes to on-field matters, they're content on letting Wenger deal with all that (Karsene's point)?

Very simple I believe the evidence strongly suggests that the financial policies that helped make the Shareholders this 400 million pounds also resulted in making significantly reduced funds available to the manager to invest in the football team and that since we are not an amatuer club amnd we do pay our professional players that had a significant role in the decline of the football team. Probably and perhaps definitely the single most critical and damaging role.

I don't believe the decline in investment in the team just happened suddenly or randomly or separately from the shift in economic and financial priorities at the Club. I don't think they just let the manager deal with those matters I think significantly limited the manner in which and the means by which he could do so before anything else. Only after that which reduction of means which benefitted them personally more than it has Arsenal Football Club on or off the pitch did they then leave things to him as you or Karsene suggest.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
11 July, 2012 23:34
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Nameless
Except that's not what he said at all. Does having less 'footballing knowledge' than someone refer to how good you are at selling shares or something?


Not at all. I wouldn't expect any Board of non-footballing men or women to have the same footballing expertise as football men or women.

But I would expect them to have far greater "financial knowledge" than any football manager even one with an very credible Degree in Economics because they ain fact are businessmen and women. That was certainly the case here . Peter Hill-Wood's career was in investment banking at Hambros, while Dan Fiszman has owned and sold companies before Arsenal particularly Star Diamonds which he sold for 150 million earlier. Guess they spoent all of that and were really hard up for cash. Like I say maybe they were paying a mortgage on the country of Switzerland? And Keith Edelman was a prototypical corporate money man and brougt on and recommeneded re-developing Highbury rather than selling.

But no they were true red-and-white in their blood supporters who never planned on or wnated to sell the Club ever to anyone because they loved it so much. Funny how they proved it. NOT

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
12 July, 2012 06:54
If they were so greedy they could have got more than £400 million by selling to Usmanov.
Give it up already Radio. You're beyond boring now. This is the realms of David Pleat boring.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
larsajax (IP Logged)
12 July, 2012 11:23
Chelsea have tabled the highest bid of 30m compared to man utd 20m, so I expect him to go there. Money talks.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Nameless (IP Logged)
12 July, 2012 13:00
Radio, no-one's going to take your views seriously when you have to resort to hijacking and redirecting unrelated topics in order to get them out in the first place. On top of that, your branding of anyone that disagrees with said views as some sort of board agent out to defend their honour at all costs does more damage to your credibility (and by extension, the purpose of your crusade).

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Nameless (IP Logged)
12 July, 2012 13:06
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If they were so greedy they could have got more than £400 million by selling to Usmanov.
Give it up already Radio. You're beyond boring now. This is the realms of David Pleat boring.

Yeah, that whole 'they created an enemy in Usmanov so they could look heroic by selling to Stan' was one heck of a reach. What more likely happened is that, with Usmanov already close to the share percentage needed to launch a takeover bid, the others went with Stan (who they'd already accepted on the board prior, so they already trusted him in some aspect) to stop such a possibility.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
12 July, 2012 14:54
Is it one heck of a reach well of course to those opf you who tryest our Board without question and who are so desperate to protect their own reputations as much as the Board bt not admtting their faoth and trust were misplaced and too easily earned.

To people like you rhere are no facts but what you want to believe and any defnce of their actione no matter how lacking inn actuial fonunady\tion or credibility or even if it contradicts your earloer defejnces will suffice. You have the credibility of thiose who defend John Terry as a man of ocnduct and integrity. Seriously that is the level of credibility you have.



All of these things happened happened as pure conicdence by accident, dumb luck and is spite of the Club and its exectives pure incomptence.None of it had anything to do with anyone else. It was just God's will and invisible hand that made it all happen this way. Do you want to querstion God's Will? There is nothing here to see or question it is all just a series of natural phenomena with no real explanation as to how it why it happened this way.


The only way you make 400 million blindly is if you have several bllion pounds banked away and that is the intesrest it accrues. The only way you make it accidentally is if Mega Millions or Powerball or EuroMillions reaches that height and have the winning ticket. You don't find 400 million pounds falling off the back of a truck

What's really pathetic is that if the very same events happened the very same way at White Hart Lane you frauds would reach they very same conclusion I have about it happening here and you are lying if you say otherwise because you don't mind being honest if it lets you get one over on s***s.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Nameless (IP Logged)
12 July, 2012 15:58
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Is it one heck of a reach well of course to those opf you who tryest our Board without question and who are so desperate to protect their own reputations as much as the Board bt not admtting their faoth and trust were misplaced and too easily earned.

Thanks for proving my point. Anyone that doesn't agree with you must be out to protect the board, huh? Ever consider the fact that while people have their issues with the board, they also don't agree with your version of events?

Never said the shareholders selling their shares happened by 'accident' either, so cease with the tired straw man tactics.
Also if it happened at WHL, well, that'd be for their fans to worry about would it not? Why would the inner workings of that club be of any serious concern to me?

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
larsajax (IP Logged)
12 July, 2012 16:20
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If they were so greedy they could have got more than £400 million by selling to Usmanov.
Give it up already Radio. You're beyond boring now. This is the realms of David Pleat boring.

Yeah, that whole 'they created an enemy in Usmanov so they could look heroic by selling to Stan' was one heck of a reach. What more likely happened is that, with Usmanov already close to the share percentage needed to launch a takeover bid, the others went with Stan (who they'd already accepted on the board prior, so they already trusted him in some aspect) to stop such a possibility.

You give it up. How would that work when they are still bleeding the cash cow? Usmanov would invest not keep all the profits. You're so wrong.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
PiP the Gunner (IP Logged)
12 July, 2012 17:01
Radio, my point was that Wenger should have done better with the freedom & resources he's had at his disposal in the last 7 years.

I'm convinced if Fergie had been our manger in that time he would have won at least 1 PL title given the same resources Wenger has had over that period.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
12 July, 2012 18:56
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If they were so greedy they could have got more than £400 million by selling to Usmanov.
Give it up already Radio. You're beyond boring now. This is the realms of David Pleat boring.

Yeah, that whole 'they created an enemy in Usmanov so they could look heroic by selling to Stan' was one heck of a reach. What more likely happened is that, with Usmanov already close to the share percentage needed to launch a takeover bid, the others went with Stan (who they'd already accepted on the board prior, so they already trusted him in some aspect) to stop such a possibility.

You give it up. How would that work when they are still bleeding the cash cow? Usmanov would invest not keep all the profits. You're so wrong.

How can people who've SOLD THEIR SHARES still be bleeding the cash cow you nutter?

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Mad Jens (IP Logged)
12 July, 2012 20:32
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I'm convinced if Fergie had been our manger in that time he would have won at least 1 PL title given the same resources Wenger has had over that period.

Fergie @#$%& through money like nothing - he would never have won anything with Wenger's resources because he probably wouldn't have stayed to try.

That's not an indictment of rednose, in fact probably more a compliment.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
13 July, 2012 01:06
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Radio, my point was that Wenger should have done better with the freedom & resources he's had at his disposal in the last 7 years.
I'm convinced if Fergie had been our manger in that time he would have won at least 1 PL title given the same resources Wenger has had over that period.

I am not sure PIP. I suppose its possible but given that even from 1998-2005 that United under Ferguson outspent Arsene Wenger fairly significantly you have to wionder how he spends more than Arsene Wenger here.

I think the one valid argument might be that he would have acquiesced so easily to having his finances undermined but then again there's no way of knowing that. It's an interesting argument but unless he had significantly more funds and the ability to use them (which no one has with the current wage structure we employ)I geuninely have trouble seeing someone genuinely do better and anyone dong better for that matter. Some could do as well no dubt maybe marginally better, but win trophiies I'm really not sure. Maybe the Carling Cup which is a lot better than nothing at all but not really nearly as good as an FA Cup of Premier League Trophy.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
13 July, 2012 01:20
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Is it one heck of a reach well of course to those opf you who tryest our Board without question and who are so desperate to protect their own reputations as much as the Board bt not admtting their faoth and trust were misplaced and too easily earned.

Thanks for proving my point. Anyone that doesn't agree with you must be out to protect the board, huh? Ever consider the fact that while people have their issues with the board, they also don't agree with your version of events?

Never said the shareholders selling their shares happened by 'accident' either, so cease with the tired straw man tactics.
Also if it happened at WHL, well, that'd be for their fans to worry about would it not? Why would the inner workings of that club be of any serious concern to me?

No I haven't proven anything really.

It is one thing to sincerely disagree with something, but quite another when you jusdge that information or largely or entirely false claims, disproven facts, bad math or cartoonish interpretations of reality. You will say anything to defend the conduct of yes the Board, no matter what or how stupid and even dishonest you(and by you I mena thoise like you) ultimately end up looking personally.

In fact here 's a neat little project for you.

Back in the days when the dedcision to move was being debated many of the Board's supporters were thrilelled to point out as several Board members assured us at the time that Arsene Wenger would not have one penny less to invest in the football team.


Now however a number of Board members have said directly that the cost of the new stadium has in fact constricted investment in the football team and implied that might continue even.

So this is the project - Was the Board lying to us then or is it lying to us now? And either way how can you trust people you know were willfully lying to us?

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
AliEye (IP Logged)
17 July, 2012 00:18
Man United fan here.
Let me start by saying I know we all miss the times when our 2 clubs had a fierce rivalry motivated by passion and not money.
It was ruined by the likes of Chelsea & Cities sugar daddy oil tycoons from the east buying football.
Our teams played good football, spent money that they earnt and the players were passionate. Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Neville, Beckham, Viera, Keown, Bergkamp, Henry...
The board of Arsenal is just a slight problem. Your philosophy (Wengers) works to a certain extent, you've made stars. But your biggest problem is holding on to them. Henry, Fabregas and now RVP all want to leave because of the lack of ambition and they believe they should be winning more medals. Wenger is not standing up to the board to get enough money because and this is alienating the big players as they want to be surrounded by other big players. They need buys of certain millions to freshen up the dressing with a bit more optimism. Young youthful players often don't deliver that, just potential.
United are looking for bargains and I dare say they've gotten them lately in Hernandez, Kagawa & Powell. We've been linked with Eriksen, Moura, Moutinho, Modric & Baines and I honestly don't know if we'll get any of them and for what price.
Fergie said one more signing is definite, possibly 2.
It could unlikely end up with RVP going to United! But I doubt it somehow.
Either way, Arsenal will be defined for the future by what happens this season. Either Wenger brings through some amazing talent or he stands up to the board to provide some money for a hotshot youngster. Something tells me the board would only be too happy to have a reason to sack Wenger and replace him with someone easily more controlled.
The Glazers hate had a setback in floating 30% of the club on the New York Stock Exchange for 150+ million with the remaining 60% worth 3/4 times that? Go figure, it seems that our clubs who were once powerful are just playthings to make money.
I hope in the upcoming season that if it's not going Arsenals way, that although you might loath it, would you chip in a bit of support for old fierce rivals? I know that between City, Chelsea & Liverpool, I'd support Arsenal for any trophy any season ahead of the oil barons and the scousers.
Arsenals supports (for the majority) aren't as disillusioned as the other fans, especially Liverpool.
Also, don't judge the majority of United fans by what you might read on a social network, most of them are either too biased towards the club, young or new to the game from whatever respective country.
Cheers to hopefully reuniting an old rivalry for the title.

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
17 July, 2012 00:29
Interesting poat AllEye.

I would only ask who will be more easily controlled really?

And even if they could find such a candidte that would end once and for all all this "we don't know for sure what is going on so we should have faith in the Club" farce of an attitude too many Gooners have hidden especially if Arsene Wenger is one of those "I don't appreciate being fired - especially for doing excatly what you asked me to" types.

I miss hating you guys as much as you miss hating us if it makes you feel better btw

 
Re: BBC: Man Utd preparing 30m bid for Lucas Moura
Gunners R Us (IP Logged)
17 July, 2012 01:02
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AliEye
Man United fan here.
Let me start by saying I know we all miss the times when our 2 clubs had a fierce rivalry motivated by passion and not money.
It was ruined by the likes of Chelsea & Cities sugar daddy oil tycoons from the east buying football.
Our teams played good football, spent money that they earnt and the players were passionate. Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Neville, Beckham, Viera, Keown, Bergkamp, Henry...
The board of Arsenal is just a slight problem. Your philosophy (Wengers) works to a certain extent, you've made stars. But your biggest problem is holding on to them. Henry, Fabregas and now RVP all want to leave because of the lack of ambition and they believe they should be winning more medals. Wenger is not standing up to the board to get enough money because and this is alienating the big players as they want to be surrounded by other big players. They need buys of certain millions to freshen up the dressing with a bit more optimism. Young youthful players often don't deliver that, just potential.
United are looking for bargains and I dare say they've gotten them lately in Hernandez, Kagawa & Powell. We've been linked with Eriksen, Moura, Moutinho, Modric & Baines and I honestly don't know if we'll get any of them and for what price.
Fergie said one more signing is definite, possibly 2.
It could unlikely end up with RVP going to United! But I doubt it somehow.
Either way, Arsenal will be defined for the future by what happens this season. Either Wenger brings through some amazing talent or he stands up to the board to provide some money for a hotshot youngster. Something tells me the board would only be too happy to have a reason to sack Wenger and replace him with someone easily more controlled.
The Glazers hate had a setback in floating 30% of the club on the New York Stock Exchange for 150+ million with the remaining 60% worth 3/4 times that? Go figure, it seems that our clubs who were once powerful are just playthings to make money.
I hope in the upcoming season that if it's not going Arsenals way, that although you might loath it, would you chip in a bit of support for old fierce rivals? I know that between City, Chelsea & Liverpool, I'd support Arsenal for any trophy any season ahead of the oil barons and the scousers.
Arsenals supports (for the majority) aren't as disillusioned as the other fans, especially Liverpool.
Also, don't judge the majority of United fans by what you might read on a social network, most of them are either too biased towards the club, young or new to the game from whatever respective country.
Cheers to hopefully reuniting an old rivalry for the title.

I strongly believe Fergie is the sole reason why you have not fallen behind yet.

Your team the past 2 seasons have been quite uninspiring yet manage to still get the results.

You will always be challenging but I would imagine you will not want another trohpyless season

 
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